[000:00:00;00] with a big scandal, it was possible to pass through the bulgarian macedonian parliament and nobody liked it, but since it was the will of the great powers of the european union, and bulgaria also receives a lot of money from them, then they well, this mechanism, we will create a commission of historians, for this it was necessary to make changes to the constitution of the northern of macedonia that negotiations began to recognize bulgarians as a national minority in macedonia to begin with what did you understand that the main idea of ​​the republic of macedonia from the moment and in the northern moment and appeared as part of yugoslavia there in the 45th year, it was that no, there are no bulgarians living there, there are none, but in bulgaria, instead, there is a macedonian national minority that is not recognized as bulgarian , this is the official concept of the nation in pirian macedonia, there are macedonians in bulgaria, and in

our part of north macedonia does not have a bulgarian, the bulgarians did not recognize the fact of their existence as a national macedonian minority . that's all i can tell you and hungary once romania-2 poland 3 it can be i am not saying that it will be mandatory in any case i think we will have to spend some time, i hope it will be short, there will not be time like 18 years for macedonia, but some time in order to solve all this, and therefore i would like us to join the european union on volodymyr zelenskyi's watch, that is , in two years, in 2023 5- we entered the new year, you know i already said that i would like to be a member of the european parliament and it is better to do it not when i am 75

, but when i am not yet 60, but according to vitaly portnikova’s watch, to the deputies, i will be somewhere around my 70th birthday if i will be elected of course, ukrainian citizens also need it at such a moment, we should not forget that i will become a member of parliament, i will run for the european parliament on my 70th birthday, but i would like it, i say right away, i would like it to be as the president says, but if i count all these risks, the main problem is on the other hand, i will tell you that i already argued with petro poroshenko about the tomos and also sat and thought to myself that this should be such a period after a long period, i said that

this will be a trend for five years. where is it because it has always been like that? and petro poroshenko looked at me in surprise and said, "no, it is possible to achieve this within two years, if there is the will of the people, the willingness of the government, the desire of the church itself. well, many do not." i believed and then it came true, poroshenko turned out to be right . and if zelensky turned out to be right now, i will look too. i would say doubts, and for all of us. right poroshenko because i am not at all an enemy of those who would like ukraine to quickly join the european union, i just don't realize it yet , i don't know, especially since it is necessary to understand that this is not only our problem, the european union in general needs to solve a lot of problems with the expansion of moldova, which is also a candidate taught. i really hope that it will be accepted

into the eu together with us, but the problem of transnistria must somehow be solved in one way or another, then the western balkans. does the fact that we will become members of the european union mean that we will already be members, and macedonia and albania will wait for their turn for some time. although they have been candidates since 2004, they have already won a certain part of the victory, and albania has nothing at all . and so to speak, it is not visible, she was just waiting for the negotiations to begin with macedonia because they were leaving in other words, there is no fucking country at all, there were no comments. no, they just said wait until macedonia solves its

problem with bulgaria. and wait. problems from the point of view of the beginning of the partnership process, it’s just that the neighboring countries are not ready for that either, it’s just that the neighbor of the neighboring country does not want the neighboring countries to start negotiations . and for you, she has no complaints. injustice, injustice, and that's how politics and europe look like. vitaliy , you already mentioned viktor orbán. there were several interesting moments at the european parliament session when our president, the prime minister of hungary, orbán did not applaud him as the only one. greetings, let's say he didn't pay respect, unlike other politicians. and he also somehow, you know, they showed a funny video there , pretending that he doesn't see zelensky, that he is very busy with his own affairs, prepare for this speech. i haven't memorized it yet. what is it

? what is it? circus, he continues his game well, of course, it must be said right away that viktor rolban is a man of this type. of course, he perfectly sees zelensky, he wanted to show that he is not embarrassed by this, that this is not the main priority for him, that he did not come here for this that all these people behave quite logically and in this regard. of course, there is a rather obvious point that is connected with hungary's reluctance to simply realize the realities that its orientation towards russia actually contradicts the national interests of hungary itself. urban does a lot to ensure that hungarian society lives in the realistic world, you know that the vast majority of something is in favor of the end of the war not through territorial losses on the part of ukraine, and this

looks quite strange for a country that has lived this way all its life by the trian complex and says a huge injustice happened to our country, we were deprived of two-thirds of the territory, we were unfairly accused, we were not aggressors, but we became hostages of this war, austria-hungary, hungary itself was not an aggressor in this war, why does it mean that we were deprived of two-thirds of the territory, hungarians live in different countries and this is one of the main topics of the political i would say the biography of viktor gorban means that if hungary got rid of two -thirds of its territory after the first world war , it is a historical injustice, it is bad and if ukraine gets rid of its territory, which is bought by russia, it is absolutely correct and logical, only the main thing is that everything stops and that hungary does not have any problems

, so in this regard, i have to say that i do not consider this to be the correct position of viktor voroben himself as the head of the country, which several times i would say suffered from the russian occupation in the 19th and 20th centuries, by and large , hungarian democracy was able to start developing only in the early 90s of the 20th century , hungary has never in its history been of a democratic state and now the question and why and because when was the first attempt of the hungarians to create their own democratic state their uprising was destroyed by the troops of the russian general feldmarshav-paskevich when the hungarians tried for the second time to create a democratic state with the help of the soviet bolsheviks the bolshevik government of the belacuna was imposed on them

absolutely bloody a terrible insane government and as a result of the overthrow of this communist coup came the strong-arm regime of admiral hort when the hungarians tried for the third time to create a democratic state after the collapse of hortism and salashism after the second world war, when the country was freed from the influence of the reich, the soviet union imposed a communist regime on this hungary, an absolutely wild matiosarakash thanks to the cutter, the fourth fourth was woven by horti in the 56th year fifth decided to create a democratic country and asked for help for the west, this their uprising was bloodily suppressed by soviet troops five times historic for the hungarian nation russians russians no one else

no germans no french no english no ukrainians the russians inhibited their normal development, historical memory turns into fear, they are so afraid of the russians that they think that everyone else should be so afraid. i believe that the hungarians can recover as a civilization only when this fear passes, when they realize what the role of the russian people in the russian i won't speak russian well. in their national history, it's just every time. every time it burns to rise to its full height, the russians shot it, and it's just so shameful it looks like you know that they killed the leaders of the hungarian uprising in the 19th century, they killed

so that the participants of the hungarian uprising in the 56th year, in the 18th year, the bolsheviks, this stupid company, flooded hungary with blood to the applause of lenin and all his veterans. well, at least from this point of view, they should somehow sympathize with us. well, you see how the ukrainians are now resisting the russian invaders , a small country at all and with unfortunately, they were an army at the beginning of 14 at the beginning of the war in the 14th a-a year, but now we continue to fight and liberate our territories. by the way, president volodymyr zelenskyi has already invited orban to kyiv, but it is interesting that hungary has confirmed that there is such an invitation, but they have not answered in the affirmative yet. do you think that orban will come? will it still be unacceptable in view of

his relationship with putin, if he wants to during the presidency of hungary, catherine already came to kyiv. look, i can imagine how it will be. he will come. they will always set a clear condition that he will come to kyiv and then some meetings will be held in beregovo. these meetings in berehovo will be shown on hungarian television as the main event, not the meeting with zelensky at all, but the prime minister who went to ukraine to support our hungarian compatriots because he is rooting for all hungarians all over the world. hungarians whom hungary will protect in case of anything, will always ensure their safety, that's why you have the prime minister of peace, that's why he's also for peace , because, as the catalans said, we have 250,000 reasons to want the war to stop, so if the ukrainian side agrees to what let's say kyiv and berehovo will be the two centers of such a visit. he has to somehow enter and leave

from the other side. no one can forbid him to stop somewhere, so of course he will come as soon as he needs. on television, i will show the zelenskyi meeting very briefly, one minute of the meeting, he came to kyiv and an hour to berehovo. when catherine arrived, i also wanted to understand. er, one way or another, and then i noticed that the hungarian media write more about everything and staying in transcarpathia. so there are always secrets of hungarian politics here. well, now it is specifically during the full-scale invasion of russia. because when i was there a few years ago and

i've been there several times over the past five years, but all the bigboard signs are actually in hungarian, not ukrainian , mostly in the shops they speak either hungarian or russian, but i don't know how it is now . the truth is that in january, i can't say what's there they speak russian, but they spoke there who speak hungarian extremely because berehovo has a large ethnic hungarian population and the ukrainian jewry was never that hungarians who live in transcarpathia spoke less hungarian and where i was that people knew the ukrainian language as well as people of different nationalities who live in this region and it is always a question of the hungarian flag at state institutions, it is always scandals in certain places and the fact that these flags do not appear just like that because it is like that you know the ardent desire of the people, and also because the hungarians, e.e. transcarpathia, a certain part of them, certain organizations, they are simply financed from budapest, and they have to

demonstrate their loyalty for the sake of financial support, and i think that this is not a very polite attitude towards the ukrainian state on the part of hungarian e-e leaders because it is absolutely obvious that you need to help your national minority, this is a fact, but help not so that this minority is forced to show you double loyalty in the interests of hungary so that citizens of ukraine of hungarian origin developed their language, their culture, their national heritage on the lands where they have lived for centuries, and on the other hand, that they should be loyal citizens of this state in which they live, this is also logical. this is their development as communities that they could communicate in the state language so that they er, they could hold positions in the civil service, teach in budapest all the time , he says, “why is this necessary, they study in er

, hungarian institutes and universities, but i don’t see anything logical about this if young people from the same beregov are from other er places of towns transcarpathians will go to study at hungarian universities and institutes and will remain in hungary, then it turns out that sooner or later there will be no hungarians in transcarpathia, and hungary will also be poor because of this, because the same community of the future will disappear and ukraine will lose an important part of its own. i would say that such a multinational identity absolutely you know, i still wanted to highlight the context that i felt abroad there more than in ukraine, the language is still the same.

it is understandable, but that is why we expect ukrainian, but it is not there, you know. well, italians probably when they come to the south play this role. they can also feel to a certain extent like abroad because there are signs in german and everyone speaks german, but the trick is that if an italian addresses to this e-e employee of some service institution , he answers in italian. you have to say this because this person is german-speaking, she usually speaks german, she usually lives in her cultural environment and to such an extent that you know that there is a famous holiday, the italian faragosp, the main italian holiday where everything freezes, where all italians generally just celebrate as the main day of the year , and suddenly i came across this holiday. i know it's a weekend and everything is closed, i started asking people

well, there's a hotel somewhere in the supermarket and what will happen tomorrow ? well, to understand how to behave, because in italy, as a rule, you just have to buy everything before that, before that, nothing and these people don't remember at all. and tomorrow, as a religious holiday, a religion arose, that is, i will go on a motorbike, nothing happened , it was just an ordinary religious holiday, they did not celebrate anything like that, well, they did celebrate , someone went to church there, but in principle it was not part of their civilization. well they live in italy, they are italian citizens, there is no doubt about their identity for this. by the way, italy had to go through the difficult path of understanding this national minority , it is all very simple with us and with hungarians transcarpathia, if we want to be part of the european family and hungary wants to be a real european country, then we need the hungarians of transcarpathia to feel the same way in ukraine as the german-speaking population of the south feels in

italy. sides and what happens on both sides when populists come to power, i told you about this ideal , and then there was a situation when austria suddenly started to issue passports at some stage like we have in hungary a why do it at all, the european union they are still citizens of the european symbolically this was also your role and of course it caused incredible indignation of the italians and all this vasya started again in a new way and it was literally just recently, well, that is, you can always find if you are populism an opportunity to invest somewhere for ambition as but i believe that it is much better if we were all europeans and it is also important that transcarpathian hungarians, i would say ukrainians of hungarian origin

, felt comfortable in ukraine and learned they learned hungarian, learned hungarian in schools, and at the same time could compete with their ukrainian -speaking peers on an equal footing when they pass the external examination when they enter a ukrainian university, this is exactly what hungary will try to stop when we join the european union, as strange as it sounds. we need to establish communication with our transcarpathian hungarians from hungary we need from hungary and we need to talk about it with france and germany we need we need the international mechanism solving our problems with hungary regarding how it all came about. yes, we have 10 minutes. i think we will have time to discuss a few more topics, mr. vitaliy, there is a serious topic that concerns flight mh17 of the malaysian boeing 777, which was shot down

in july 2014, and the year of the russians' disaster. the investigative team came to a new conclusion that putin himself personally issued a decree on the transfer of the a-a dzk of the parties that shot down the plane, but you know , it’s so interesting, vitaly, on the one hand, they say that there is evidence of this, on the other hand, they say that there is not enough evidence to a-a present well let's say a claim in the form of criminal proceedings against putin. well, he also has immunity. as a head of state, in principle. well, first of all, i have to say that i think that we are talking about an analytical conclusion and not a document . second, i never had any doubts that all this the story begins precisely with putin, the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the russian federation, one is an authoritarian country in which the government and the authorities work flawlessly 2 this was an operation that was personally controlled by putin three this is a serious military

installation with which you can shoot down planes 4 for for such an installation to be placed at the disposal of some not very clear paramilitary units of terrorists. well, not the russian army, that is, for the russian army to be together with these essentially fsb agents , of course, coordination is required at a very high level, that is, some strilkov or some other person there should report above to of some sort. this one must write a detailed report. next , it must reach putin, and putin must say either orally or in writing. yes, i will allow it to be translated, that is, to take responsibility for myself, because i do not think that even the minister of defense of the russian federation the federation or the chief of the general staff can take responsibility because this is not happening within his unit , you understand. if this is a military unit of military unit 353 there and here is a military unit of military unit 352, then it is obvious that there is no need

to contact putin if there is a minister of defense or i am the head of the military district myself, so i decide this issue myself . first of all, this is happening abroad . i mean abroad and unknown who does not understand under whose responsibility i give such a thing with which you can shoot down a plane and the thing has a serial number and i do not have it equipped with my hf 351, how can i, if i am the head of the troops of a military district, take on myself such pressure and authority there are no such powers there is simply no authority because where the state border of the russian federation ends, that is where my authority ends, there is no decision on a special military operation either, there is no one that i could be guided by to transfer something somewhere, but

again even if there is a special decision about the military operation, you will need them now, some military unit will be needed there, which i have, here is this box. from here, transfer it there and sign it, what i transfer there, the part of colonel so-and-so transfers it to the part of colonel so-and-so, and the signature of the general, and even they must have everything systematically where the whole system should be and then in this situation i ask the commander-in-chief of the armed forces and whether i have the right can we transfer the setting of the letter that is on the balance sheet 351 to the territory of the donetsk region of ukraine or to the territory of the donetsk people's republic of the republic, it doesn’t matter where and the education company. so you can mean there from this type of such and such a number to translate this installation with so and with your this eee what is it called there personnel to perform a combat mission but

only he can do it because other people who allow to move this type of weapon abroad where there is no russian army simply does not exist in nature who so what do you tell me that someone other than putin can do this no, no one can, it is written logically about the conclusion , nothing is said about the fact that putin gave the order to shoot down this plane later. yes, i understand. i'm just interested in you . do you think they asked him whether to shoot down the plane or can such decisions be made on the spot ? to think about this from this setup, what will they do about it? okay, if they didn't know, we don't know what they knew, why it's important, there are two options. the first option they wanted to shoot down a military plane, and in strilkov's first report it was about a military plane, and the second option they wanted to make a russian plane, and this is where putin had to issue an order, because if

they got into a russian plane and blamed ukraine for it, well, the importance was complete, rather, yes, and since they got into a malaysian plane, then they didn’t know how to get out of this situation, i said it's convulsive to just try to somehow play it all back and it's just such a disaster in their situation that in principle and that another version they didn't justify themselves instead of one or another possibility appeared a third one for which they they clearly didn't count, i'm sure that they definitely didn't want to shoot down the malaysian plane, there could have been two such directions , the ukrainian military plane was shot down. they shot down before this other shot down, it's not allowed to kneel, especially the impression, well, they shot down a military plane, the second is to try to shoot down a russian plane, they could to pray in such a situation of course it would almost be a war in

ukraine i announce, well, very beautiful hello if, for example , the anti-putin will gather proof that it was he who gave the order to transport this beech, then can he be punished someday because you and i literally said 10 minutes ago that putin will sit in the president's chair until death and therefore will have immunity. i think that putin will do everything possible to sit in the president's chair until death. first , he likes it. second, he needs immunity . third, there is no one of the current russian elite except putin who would be the balancer and interest; the fourth is that with each new evidence of his involvement in war crimes, his desire to be president of russia will increase geometric progression so that it is possible to punish putin in such a situation in the event of the collapse of the current russian regime, we saw that in principle the president of the former yugoslavia slobodan biloshitsky was also going

to be the president for life and he was not even told that he could lose the election although of course even for in the past, serbia was a much more democratic russia, ukraine than russia today, this must also be understood, but one way or another, he ended up in the gas. russia is such a strange country , you understand. so you are sitting here again, right? you are counting something, you are calculating what the trends might be, so-and-so, how many years is the eternal dictatorship, well, that's about as you asked me vladimir ilyich lenin in 2000 in 1916 klexan we will die here in switzerland romanov they are forever nicholas ii will die as an emperor we have lost all e- volodymyr ilyich, who was also one person with good analytical abilities, it must be said, he absolutely did not foresee that

there would be a revolution in russia in february 2017 , a month before this revolution, you understand, and that's why i always think that if you're sitting, then you understand. you can look like volodymyr ilyich, what do you think, what do you think? oh, i will never get there again, how can it be, this is the end of the dictatorship there forever, then you suddenly wake up. and you really need to fly to moscow in italy , there is the trial of putin waiting for you there. already accredited sold logically so you feel like volodymyr melnychim , who was already thinking about how he would live in switzerland for the next 30 years and then ran around all the embassies and sought a ticket to revolutionary russia, he was late for it because this revolution took place much earlier than he could even imagine. i say again, i am not a big supporter of lenin as a person, but i have no doubts about his political abilities

, if a person with such political abilities did not understand anything about what is happening in the country, which he then not only i took the lead and simply reformatted it for myself well, why should i think that i understand everything exactly in terms no, i absolutely do not have such a great impression of myself my via analytical abilities about your analytical abilities a great impression, because you will understand, you know, there is a lot of space, er, there are such small midgets lying there, so that they have remained in history, i don’t know if it is at all, but in history, vitaly thank you for the wonderful broadcast vitaliy portnikov and anzhelika seasoned for you on a saturday flight and until the next meeting, continue the news of iryna koval