[000:00:00;00] we are the same with leopards and the same with airplanes, but by the way, about this matter, which country will remove such industrial cream from the ukrainian victory? that is, you once in one of the broadcasts quite interestingly assessed the prospects of germany, which is now a secret catalyst that is creating some kind of tank coalition around itself and now there is an impression that maybe then germany or another country will become a catalyst just around the aviation project and we are again talking about european countries and not about american countries. does this mean that the americans really remain in the shadow of this process or, in principle, do they look at this process so that the activation of the european defense industry as a whole takes place, and the americans are quite satisfied with this. i think at this stage they are quite satisfied, while the war is still going on, there is still an internal american discussion about

how much they give aid to ukraine as much as the europeans give, and there is a question , well, justice, who will give and that is why i think right now the americans do not have such a goal, but to give their plane and do well, if the situation is already it is already known that all the markets that could be occupied by them and occupied by them have been worked out there about the f-35, of course now we cannot talk about ukraine, well, it is too dark and in order to get the f-35, you have to participate in its purchases there it is necessary to finance this process, it is such a collective collective work and it is very expensive, but as far as the interests of the americans are concerned, i think there is such a division of interests between the europeans and the united states because the united states is entering into action with its defense industry

when it comes to ukraine's membership in nato, in a certain ukraine, if you look at the previous big ones, that's the appearance of the united states on the european market. it was connected with the expansion of nato , that 's the expansion of the united states. power. they have the first, well, the role of the first violin in this process of re-equipment. and now there is something else. it still seems that the united states is giving this competition to the europeans, and there it turns out that well, if there is competition, it will be eurofighter competition typhoon vs. french er-e bursts i think well, yes, the typhoon ot well, maybe there is thunder , maybe it’s possible here, but european competition if we talk about different interests and the function er, it’s britain, germany, the raffle

is france, well, judging by how they all together they support the whole idea, now there is still no competition, everyone supports this idea that ukraine needs airplanes and who gets them? well, everything is developing so rapidly that it is difficult to say what other interests there are behind the second bottom, the third bottom, and what is next. well, then here it is if we say that i also have potential competition from manufacturers. and there are real needs of ukraine that say that it is necessary to accumulate forces and carry out offensive operations with real air support , we understand that the acquisition of aircraft is stretched over time, and counter-offensive operations will ideally begin there there is spring and summer if we effectively withstand the russian onslaught and the same ben wallace , the british minister of defense, says that we need to look now at other means that ukraine needs long-range means impression is possible

unmanned systems, other systems, that is, you mentioned the shadow storm as one of the options for a long-range solution there for the destruction of enemy objects, is there an understanding of what other solutions on the part of britain or european countries would be the most relevant now , given the current needs of the armed forces in preparation for a counteroffensive and, well, solving problems on the battlefield. well, already in the short term. well , it's hard for me to say, i'm just not that well versed in these issues, what is needed on the battlefield, uh, everything seems to be given and after these what is better to call ground bombs which for high-mars yes 150 km now the side is up to 500 km and it really pushes back pushes back and destroys the communications and logistics of this war for russia they are forced to much more well it

will be very difficult for them to spend analogies and maintain the offensive i think that if we talk about the strategy of our partners, there is already uh. we have now reached the stage when the issues of what is on the front and what is in the economy and what is in politics are being agreed upon again , well, we just now see that what about they said all last year that the sanctions would work, they would work, but in january they really started working there , the deficit of the russian budget is so deep , the drop in revenues is so deep, and the growth of expenses is so high that it is not known how much russia is supported in such an offensive mode , russia also seems to be forced to hurry with this offensive

and that is why what is needed on the front well, what is what will destroy the attempted russian offensive and what will open the perspective for the ukrainian contrast but if we talk about whether the aviation will have time well, we now it turns out that our pilots are training on foreign planes. i don't know which ones, but they've been training for a long time, so i don't rule out that the planes will be there on time . it is possible to safely advance with armored vehicles with the support of artillery and missiles. if russia has front-line aviation, it will preserve and demonstrate something there, well, then aviation will really be needed and more well, but it seems to me that russia does not have such high capabilities for aviation

supporting their own ground operations based on the fact that they even seem to have taken su-25s from belarus because they don't have enough of them. well, i can't say for sure . i think everything will be fine. and here the processes that are taking place are just so fast, but with support ukraine is complex, and i would also like to remind you that instead of putin, the chevalier of the legion of honor will now be someone else who will represent this space in this respectable in this respectable body of european politics , that is why the events here are simply very, very fast and then er, paralles, then er, the last question in this program is about what our victory should look like in general, or does our vision coincide with what european partners see in accordance with how this war should end. the question is difficult, if

possible. answer briefly it will be simple. it's brilliant, we see that now oleksiy can't hear us. if, in principle, we establish a connection with him, then we will continue the conversation with them , but i will remind our viewers that on the air of the espresso channel, there was oleksiy the hedgehog, experts of the national institute of strategic of research, well, that’s right, oleksiy is on the air if, in principle, there is a clear understanding of whether the ukrainian vision of victory is the same and whether the european american partners have the same vision , or do these vectors converge at some clear , unambiguous point well, i think so, judging by what is currently happening in this discussion around the planes. i think that the understanding is that ukraine must win and win

quickly enough. well, as the director said to the chairman , all the issues will be resolved within six months. i think that this is being resolved now and this is inspiring despite the conditions in which we are now, well, at least i spend now associate ether , nevertheless, it inspires me . shared with us , so i think that we will withstand this missile attack, we will get new planes with new capabilities, we will really achieve victory on the battlefield in a short period of time, let me remind you that the film, the press , worked with us, oleksiy the hedgehog of the expert of the national institute of strategic studies and now we have oleksandr los, the former head of the antonov concern, doctor of technical sciences, and now the captain of the prohibited forces who takes care of the promising directions

of the development of the ukrainian army , oleksandr . i congratulate you. the discussion related to the acquisition of aircraft, but in fact it seems that the pragmatism of the western partners is really pragmatic enough, or is it your own assessment these are the calls of the president of ukraine to receive western planes and the reaction of a number of countries in britain , poland , and the netherlands regarding the transfer of these planes. for his joy, which is based on essentially almost a year's work, and believe me, the issue of attracting foreign aircraft, combat

aircraft to ukraine, it did not even start last year, at least i personally only i was engaged in this for three years, and before that there were also specialist colleagues who specialized directly in air force aviation . i am sure that this was already a decade ago. to politically consolidate the issue of obtaining combat aircraft and today showed how necessary it is because it is clear that with every missile attack when the aircraft is operating in the mode of essentially air defense itself against missile fighter aircraft is one of the most important components because it allows you to raise missiles into the sky and not detect the positions of ground launchers, which are quite important for the

same missiles for aerial reconnaissance of the enemy and so on. but at the same time, when we talk about airplanes, suddenly there is a proposal from britain to offer some aircraft in the future, will there still be a eurofighter there or whether typhoon mmm we do not know yet there is a concept related to the fact that there are many f16 let us f16 appears again griper and the impression is that now we somehow do not have such a stable internal concept , and we are responding to those proposals that can be balanced by our partners . to what extent is this approach optimal in these conditions, and is it possible to somehow balance the needs, the real needs of ukraine with proposals of our partners in order to get what we really need in this case . since we are and will continue to be for some time in a very active phase of the war,

now, as they say, we will divide the unfinished works into two stages, we have already said this with you, i once again emphasized the fact that there is a question of what is needed in ukraine after our victory and there is a question of what to fight with us now with er i always read your article with enthusiasm, i liked the word zoo of combat equipment well, it was, of course, on the example of leopards and cheetahs, and so on, from the german, e. now it is caused by the fact that they give us what they can give immediately, or at least with some delay, more or less acceptable in our state. when we are simply

running out of our former soviet military equipment, our reserves are running out and are already starting to run out as you and i are reading, even of the united states of america, so in this case, as they say, i will not put any scientific and technical expediency in the first place. substantiated and will continue to be addressed to me by my colleagues at e-e universities and so on, people's deputies ask my opinion and precisely from the point of view of mathematical grounding and what exactly are you, of course i would say that how is it currently and we can choose that i i would still say that we need an aircraft comparable to the 157 and 135s, this is an f 15i and a light patrol aircraft, a diary, what do i call it, let it be in 16 , let it be, for example, also armed, it seven , in general, the cheapest to operate, so earlier

it sounded like thunder, of course, but then we already with you and you and i both understood that what we are fixing is produced in such small batches that for the needs of the ukrainian air force it simply won't have time to appear before they become obsolete. took some of the best technical characteristics, but the bureaucratic system in which it was created led to the fact that france came out for the first time and created a similar aircraft. with the same efficiency but it is cheaper to operate, it is cheaper and it is devoid of the burden of administrative bureaucratic influence in which the eurofighter was created , although from a purely technical aviation point of view, the eurofighter is also quite an advanced

aircraft, one of the few that provides supercrus among the fourth generation, that is, the ability to move at supersonic speed local without turning on the afterburner engines and so on. that is, it is so much a vector optimization scheme in which even ot once again at this stage is actively in the active phase of the war, even i would refrain from this because it is simply redundant, i won't say too much redundant information, which is only from ukraine's urgent acquisition of such necessary combat aviation equipment, well , the logic is clear. the logic is clear here, then the question arises, oh, the prime minister british minister rezhysunok announced that the training program of the ukrainian military will be expanded precisely for the pilot of fighter aircraft, then the question arises whether it is possible to ensure the training process at all without

understanding at the current stage which aircraft does the ukrainian army receive, is it possible to somehow balance these two trends so that they really intersect somewhere at the right point well, first of all, let's use all the intelligence signs, the prime minister of the champions league did not say about a specific type of aircraft, he said that they will be preparing ukrainian pilot, one of the most important components of the first stage of training is the mastering of the so-called english gravity, that is, the special abbreviated aviation english language, it is different and to prepare of course, our pilots have to master it since they will have to interact in one way or another, first, well, actually, with the technology itself, and secondly , also with the radio channel, radio communication, obviously with foreign e-e management tools and the like, so a very

big emphasis will have to be placed on this further e- is the basic basic training, regardless of the aircraft, theoretically and well, i perfectly understand that the first-year pilots of the kharkiv national university will not be sent there , the business force will be directed to be enough by the way, as the president correctly said, there will be pilots who already have two and a half years of training, well, this is in quotation marks, of course, but there is a rational grain in this , and then when the pilots master these first two necessary stages, it is really necessary to switch to switch to that. but i think that the decisions have already been made and are currently happening the final agreements between the united states of great britain and european partners regarding exactly what type of aircraft, what is the first type of aircraft that will enter the air force of ukraine

, etc. there is a certain behind-the-scenes competition between the manufacturers of aviation equipment as to which aircraft will actually be the victory of ukraine aircraft, and this , according to him, in a certain way creates a certain heat of discussion among europeans, and perhaps that is precisely why he says that there will be competition between the same yarofider there or the french rafa precisely on the trolleys of the possibilities of european manufacturers, do you share such an approach that the industrial circles of certain countries are also involved in this process and they will influence the choice of the aircraft that receives ukraine after a certain period of time. i am sure that it continues to happen as it was and in that large -scale offensive, this is human nature, with this it is necessary, this is the so-called government, that is, relations with the government with the leadership of the developing countries. of course, to

some extent, this is a normal business process as much as it is possible to use the word normal in relation to ukraine well, one way or another , this is human nature and you will not get anywhere from it, but uh, we still do not forget about each other, it is the prestige of the winner, but it is not necessary to forget that in war there are always combat losses and the example of one of the ukrainian partners of the friends of ukraine at the first stage of the war showed that the effort to raise its prestige turned 180°. and this is also remembered by specialist developers in the united states and in the countries of the european union, of course, and then there is one more question, the question britain says that we can sell airplanes somewhere at a later stage, now the task is to solve more urgent e-e needs at will and the same minister of defense volya

says that the task can be solved long-range means and unmanned systems, or accept such a concept at the current stage. and if so , what samples can be used to analyze it through the prism of short-term, these not immediate needs of the armed forces of ukraine? and this is a question of how long the acute hot phase of russia's war against ukraine will be prolonged, how long will our partners allow it to be done by the russian federation, a component of combat aviation

it is so critical on the battlefield that it is almost impossible to replace it with anti-aircraft missile systems as a component of anti-aircraft defense or rocket artillery or simply even foreign foreign missiles. in order to achieve the same efficiency of use , it will be necessary to release, let's say, more than one missile, and in the case of ukraine, the issue is not even the price in money, it is also very critical, simply the availability of these ammunition, the physical presence of missiles , the presence of rockets, and so on therefore, of course, the aircraft as a combat platform is a carrier of missile and bomb weapons. it has the highest percentage of the probability of damage because it can simply approach from the side where the probability of interception is the least , approach as close as possible and make a targeted , accurate launch, and in order to do this

by means of foreign means, it is necessary to have very good intelligence, about which we are still talking about space intelligence, in the first place of development with the help of unmanned aerial vehicles , but which even today cannot approach so close to the impact zone because the russians are creating an effective echeloned air defense starting from the well-known words panzer this is a short-range beech medium s300 s400 and so on, they russians fight competently and whoever tries to belittle their i will not say perfection, but technical equipment, he simply manipulates public i don't think he actually did it, it only harms us precisely in those tectonic efforts that the president

of ukraine is making in order to tilt our western partners to hire as soon as possible faster delivery of equipment and long-range missiles, mr. oleksandr, of long-range missile equipment, please comment on this passage by oleksiy the hedgehog regarding the fact that the issue of helicopters is also at stage number two, is there a possibility to put it on the agenda right there combat helicopters that could support ground offensive operations or issues with helicopters are even more difficult than issues with aviation the closer the manned combat equipment is ground air to the line of combat collision, the more difficult it is to get such combat equipment, one of the reasons is that it would be the same if some of them were

lobbied . the federation or the combat helicopter will be captured by the russians and dismantled to the hilt no. believe me, this is a very important issue, and the american and british colleagues are still thinking about it very much, and it is still clear that the most modern equipment. well, for example, i in my the time when i directly dealt with this issue, as an official, even out of respect from an ethical point of view, i did not even ask the question of obtaining the most modern examples of military equipment from the united states or europe , because this is simply an incorrect formulation of the question, mr. oleksandr, it is clear, and then the extreme questions in in this program , what are your expectations when ukraine can really receive western combat aircraft, what

time frame will it be, you already know . how much does it take to prepare the planes, and i'm sorry pilots, i answered that it was at least six months, everyone was scratching their heads, how long has a year passed, we keep hearing about it being a year and a half, two years, and so on, so in this case, i think that we as specialists for our part, we, for our highest politicians, officials for president volodymyr savych zelenskyi, have already created a fairly solid foundation on which he can stand firmly on his feet and already demand, i just can’t say ask in this case as soon as possible for delivery, how much will it be six months 9 months well, this is already beyond my competence. i don't want to turn into a fortune teller. oleksandr. thank you for including

your comments to our viewers. i think that the film espresso channel was oleksandr los, a doctor of technical sciences and a captain of the armed forces. so, we understand that the issue of obtaining combat aircraft is the current political leadership is doing this as much as possible in order for it to happen as quickly as possible. we need to be patient so that the ukrainian army really received these samples of weapons. the main results of the conversation about military western fighters for ukraine, we are looking for 17-year-old mykola , you grew up in mariupol. i know that the boy met the war in his hometown in donetsk region and stayed there in the epicenter of hostilities for almost two months. at the end of april, mykola managed to be evacuated from the dangerous territory to the west as an internally displaced orphan child of ukraine, he was placed in a boarding school in velikiy

berezny in transcarpathia. the boy stayed there for only a few days, and on the second of may he mysteriously disappeared and no one knows where he is now, so i i appeal to everyone who sees me, look carefully at the photo of mykola roslov, he has light blond hair and green eyes, he looks like a 17-18-year-old boy, if anyone suddenly saw him or knows where he might be, do not delay and call us on the hotline of the child tracing service magnolia by short number 116,000 calls from any mobile operator free of charge i have another story of the disappearance of a child, this time in the kharkiv region, it is about five-year-old yaroslav major. i know that he is with his parents came under fire, eventually lost his mother and father, yaroslav himself luckily survived the child, as if by chance he saved the godfather, the grandfather of the boy told us about this, who

is now on his way to find his grandson, of course , the luhansk hospital, as i don’t know what you guessed. yaroslav’s grandfather told in detail the tragic story of his the family says that the grandson and his parents met the war in kharkiv, and since the situation there was quite uneasy in the first days of the full-scale invasion, the family immediately decided to evacuate, they were in kharkiv alive apartments and they are called war, they didn't leave where they fell into the occupation, but anyway, there was no opportunity to leave, the kupyan district of kharkiv region was occupied almost from the beginning of the war, so for about seven months, mr. serhiy could not contact his family in any way, but he believed that everything was with them ok, that’s a small one, there was absolutely no way to start it, i knew that well, they dumped it there. and where the bodywork seems to have happened during the occupation, they may have blown it up there and it’s not

a village, it’s not possible to go to the head. in 2008, the soldiers of the ukrainian armed forces quickly entered kupyansk, but kupyansk zlovy remained under occupation for some time and it was there that the family of mr. serhiy was located. it is known that the situation in the village was very tense and at some point they organized an evacuation column for civilians there. and tried to leave, but on the highway between the kupyan junction and the village of kurylivka , you fired at civilian cars, how could i? died with her husband. and the five-year-old yaroslav survived, survived and was baptized, a boy who also rode in this convoy, it was he who saved the child and allegedly managed to get to luhansk together with yaroslav, there the man together with his godfather apparently spent some time in