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[000:00:00;00] because they work with children, on the third day they will unconsciously switch to the ukrainian language and they speak in tracing paper, you know. but such a method would work with us, well, that ’s the first thing. yes, that’s what i noticed, and the second is that everyone has their own level of readiness, people are very patriotic and when he speaks to them in ukrainian well, i have always spoken in ukrainian and they speak i'm afraid to do or say something wrong, well , people have internal fears, but i want to speak it so beautifully that it comes out straight literary move quickly and instantly, that is, everyone has their own level of psychological readiness and there. well, i am a specialist. i understand, but it can cause aggression in people who are not immersed in these processes. give people time. some are ready. tomorrow some have already moved. some are fighting their fears to do it.
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beautiful, perfect, yes, that is, different, different. there are situations from probably not 30 years ago, we will give it, i hope so , but another matter is something else, something 30 years ago, it was funny that as a small child she learns to walk and walks and falls if not to speak, you will never start speaking, the truth is that if parents do not pay attention to it now, their children will not speak ukrainian either. it does not happen by itself. well, there is also such a moment, ms. yes . thank you very much, if you had done such an analysis first 22- so far, how many people have transferred. i think that the percentage is huge. well, this is gratifying . i think that we will be on such a scale and you to our victory. thank you, ladies in the hall. i hope that our viewers will follow all your advice, uh, they will follow them, and so on.
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they will save uh, as they say, as they joke, they won’t go cuckoo during this war, they won’t even help ms. antenna podolyak solovyov, he really doubled up as a cuckoo on the last episode, but julia davis, who is engaged in very hard work and specially gives out free milk in the pentagon for this, she watches russians are all propagandists . well, he just says that the dude took off from the coils, we will show how he took off, but in a few minutes , stay with espresso, then we will listen to people suffering from rheumatism. but arthritic, it is impossible to get used to it, it does not allow to move. i tried everything. and in the pharmacy i bought yellow dolgit cream. it saves me from pain in rheumatism, reduces swelling and improves the mobility of joints in case of
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did we promise to tell you about mr. solovyov in which instead of nightingales er cuckoos have settled that this is it i have already told everything in principle there is nothing more to tell you honestly the nightingale flew off the coils here is a photo proof yes yes yes there there there that's it, at this moment the dude started talking about that he was terribly indignant that zelensky was accepted by the king, er, britain does not accept him and who are you, who is this zelensky, this is no one at all why is he accepted ? they give weapons, then he started to get angry at that that he has few viewers and then he blamed his team for everything and said that they would almost all be sent to bakhmut because they all work poorly and i
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just couldn't stop. bells, because even someone from the readers even wrote and started arguing with that person on the air, said that someone wrote something to him with the host , turn him off. na na na various these things, well, in a word, you look at all this and think, russians, you are still there with your head like a cuckoo, in general, it has already flown somewhere in the area of lenin's mausoleum, it is already landing somewhere there. well, in a word, the country is just some people with mental disorders, now let's talk about another country that actually helps us a lot during this full-scale invasion and, in principle, it is not the first time that it helps, not the first time that it lends a helping hand, but nevertheless according to
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research, as reported by the zhezh pospolita publication, research done by analysts of the faculty of political science and international studies of the university of warsaw and economics of the university of humanities in warsaw, they interviewed poles about their attitude towards ukrainians, and it turned out that the positive attitude is changing a little , from positive to less positive. are disappointed about refugees from ukraine and say that they should be provided with less social assistance . edition of zhezh pospolyta is the president of the union of ukrainians in poland, he said that he believes that this attitude is changing due to the fact that many
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ukrainians in poland speak russian and we now have mr. day good day good day to everyone actually if you can repeat your comment for zhezh or zhezh pospolyta because it caused quite such a controversial impression among ukrainians, in particular, they didn't like that you didn't like it there in poland, polish ukrainians, if you allow such a term, what ukrainian ukrainians who have now fled the war to poland, live with their children here, use the russian language, you said that it is the language of the enemy and i understand you in principle, and in that study there is also talk about another culture, what do the poles say are a little upset about the different culture displayed by the ukrainians, what is meant by this different
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culture, mr. myroslavovych, there are constantly quite a lot of different surveys of how polish society treats ukrainian refugees because we are at the beginning of this wave of refugees, i was very seriously afraid that this was a challenge, that there were serious tensions in poland, but to this day, such tensions are not visible, this does not mean that polish society does not change its own vision of ukrainians who have found themselves here in poland, the main emphasis, what is the main thing, what if they appeared in the survey that we are talking about with you now, this is a question of evaluating what is called culture in that survey, i would call it the culture of the life of ukrainians in poland, because if it is about ukrainian
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culture is experienced here in poland renaissance we are all concerts uh where ukrainian artists perform in poland, there is a great expectation and need to get to know ukrainian culture in the sense that it is a creation of the ukrainian spirit, on the other hand, it is a different matter - it is an ochenka culture of such a household culture of people who have been here for almost a year or so. why, because the first moment when here people came to us from ukraine, refugees appeared, we all saw these pictures that simply touched everyone and you remember, we all remember together how poland reacted to this , the borders are opened, people drove their own
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vehicles to help pick up people , send them to the houses of several hundred thousand families they accepted the ukrainian running this minute has already settled in a little bit and uh, a lot of people are employed, almost 200 thousand children in ukrainian are in polish schools, much more are outside the system of polish schools, i.e. it can be seen that in terms of public perception, ukrainians are not some kind of stranger here and that general support is quite strong . yes, but what causes hm. but some of our ukrainians who have found themselves here and this is a big deal. he is annoying, first of all , the russian language. you talked about the fact that
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the russian language of our refugees is not liked by ukrainians or ukrainians in poland. the pole does not like her because the poles are aware of the role of russia in all of this and to what extent the issue of russification of ukraine has become a distant cause of the tragedy that is happening now and the testimony of people who have been here in poland for almost a year, who have been studying the polish language, who already go with the polish language when they manage better or worse, but they still try to communicate. but in their own life and such, i would say to a public stay among poles that they speak russian and a lot of palakhs, and you don't
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it's strange that a muscovite is shooting at you and you speak the muscovite language . there are a lot of such remarks. we hear cars in communication. there were very big needs and we must help. forgive us those people already . showed what what these people are wealthy or very wealthy that they can do anything and people who are poles observe some kind of process quite a bit we help you we try to give our money and you could also give a little of what you have to help your fellow citizens or ukraine and this culture of life er there is one more time that polish society pays attention to expensive
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big ukrainian cars in big cities er and people ask why these people did not sell it and did not buy for it humanitarian or military aid or why they behave in such a way that they show that they are very rich and when their brothers are in trouble and we help them and they can't help themselves, and i think that this opinion is more visible once again, it will be also be used by various polish groups and pro-russian groups in poland who are looking for arguments to spoil the perception of ukrainian refugees in poland, we were waiting for such a moment that these people would be active here and were looking for an argument were waiting for arguments and they appear those arguments that you say our parts of ours are quite serious it is reported that those arguments were valid well and i think that these are such
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basic things obviously also appears that the question is that there are quite a lot of refugees who use various social benefits or with help at the same time these are people who work er people who are you those people use all the possibilities of assistance from the polish state at the same time use free overnight stays somehow maidan with help and this from polish neighbors are perceived a little bit like that, well, as the poles say , that is, people who know how to use every situation to their advantage. the perception of a whole group of ukrainian refugees is also an important thing, but this is an element that polish society sees and evaluates negatively , instead, the very commitment of polish
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society and the polish state to support ukraine and help ukraine does not change on the contrary, it is very tough and this is the policy of the current government and the main political figures of poland. so we have mr. yaroslav and the polls themselves . by the way, support actually remains at a very high level. and you know, this is a continuation of what you said about it was said with lesya recently, and one ukrainian journalist wrote and what happened to her, well, if she said in a different context that she was traveling on a train and what happened to lesya, you know more about the story, a deputy from kharkiv told us in our chattel, mrs. halyna, that she was traveling by train, actually, were her countrymen from kharkiv traveling to ukraine, who spoke
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russian among themselves, and their children, uh, who are already studying in poland because they escaped the shelling by going to poland , took their children there, their children between they spoke polish to each other, and we used to be like that and it is still like that, which is often said by parents that they say, um , it is not possible to switch to ukrainian in our country, and children learn ukrainian at school, but then they speak russian among themselves, they discussed it on the air very impressed it turns out that the children are not fit to learn the ukrainian language, but they easily learned the language, which is more difficult in principle, because it is not their language, they do not hear it every day, after all. yes, and what's more, they not only learned it, but they passed the council because no one forced the two children from kharkiv to speak polish among themselves, and this shows that such processes are strange that are taking place, and
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we understand that the people who now find themselves in poland, they also found themselves in some kind of their own perhaps in a russian-speaking capsule , and even those russian-speaking citizens in those who remained in ukraine. they, too, many make different decisions. they switch to ukrainian anyway. some kind of ukrainization is now happening at a very fast pace. we are in ukraine and we have certain fears about what will happen to those children or will they want to return to ukraine, for example, and here i am. this is the whole story, how much those children, those people don't stay in such a capsule. this is another turning point, eh, we are watching the concern from here. i think that there is a problem here, so that children are a reflection of what they think, what they do, how their parents behave. if parents for parents, the ukrainian language is a question, and once there, m.m. secondary school or third or fourth category, and the children will be the same, they were to cooperate with a language that
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will simply be more convenient, we have a problem in poland such that there are children in polish schools , they they get an education, but there is no support system for the ukrainian identical light , the children are running away, we paid attention to this , that is, the association of ukrainians in poland and various organizations, including at the ministerial level, that it is necessary to change the legislative legislation to allow ukrainian children to learn the ukrainian language, ukrainian literature, culture, history, etc. so far, there are no such opportunities. the polish advocacy system is closed for this, and it is also closed. there is also no pressure from the ukrainian state on this issue , the danger of this plane, and i also welcome the attention of some polish experts there those people who came to you are russian-speaking , they are mainly people from such a russian world , the russian world. a little bit, so to speak, you are sitting there with an engine attached, and if we had this
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russian world here in poland for a replacement a serious trident, that is, if it is not made of ukrainians, then there will be no poles from them, who were such russian measures, slightly painted with a polish white-white-red flag. but in fact, they will be potentially susceptible to what russia will do. which polish experts understand that it is necessary to change the education system also with regard to ukrainian refugees, but without the help of the ukrainian state and without, i would say, such a calm analysis of this process and the analysis of the dangers that appear we will not be able to solve this issue, and here is another moment for the ukrainians who are now in a state of full-scale invasion and who until february 20, 24 , 2022 could not imagine that russia could
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do such a thing to ukraine because what did they think of russia despite what was happening there in the donbas despite the fact that crimea was annexed they still believed that the russians took it and for them february 24 , 2022 came as a shock eh hmm and now we hate russia eh and when we recently we will give the russian measure, but not to the end, for sure they are do they understand what this russian peace is in a practical sense? are the poles what they feel about it? they feel what the russian peace is, or is it only that it is russia that starts the war , or is it only that you speak russian, what does it manifest itself in? how do the poles feel about it to explain to those ukrainians who do not fully understand this? i think that the poles are very well aware that such russian measures are because the last 200 years of polish history are a constant competition with
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russia and also with that direct pressure russia, that russian world that came to us here from tsarist times through the soviet union to the present day, and this consciousness , how destructive is this way of thinking for the worldview, for the polish worldview , there are poles in poland, if only that will strengthen their immunity to that type of ideology - it is as if the consciousness of their own history and the consciousness of their own cultural tradition of poland, which has always separated itself significantly, emphasized its difference from russia, the non-russianness of polish culture, they emphasized and they emphasize that they are western europe and this is essentially true, they emphasize that they are central europe and there are a lot of slavic influences, including ukrainian ones, this is essentially true and they essentially constantly emphasized that
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russia what is for us here in we have been around for so long, we smoked a lot and this is also and it is essentially true, they told me that it seems to me that in relation to ukrainians and the awareness of the essence of this russian world, how dangerous is the fact that people have stopped loving russia today but have not yet started to make ukraine and we began to identify themselves completely with ukraine, that is why there is such an ambivalent double attitude to the issue of the ukrainian language, to put people in prison because we are not convinced by all poles. i think that all poles are a question. why do ukrainians speak russian? it is surprising to everyone. who would it be, the extreme left , the extreme right or someone in the middle, yes , for everyone, it is there, it is absolutely not understood, and for us, it is also completely not understood, although we understand that the ukrainian context is significantly different from the polish context. the question is the language, but the act, what needs to be realized and worked on, so that the elements of the russian world that are in the souls
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of people, name them, clearly outline them, and consistently say goodbye to them, say such behavior , we will not emphasize this is work that is not carried out in essence by us, we can be offended, we we can say that russian cartoons are bad, but in fact, what does it mean in the mind , psychology, behavior of people, in fact, we don't even want to hear this, and i look at it from the perspective of poland, and i realize how deeply this russian world is in the minds of ukrainians especially among those ukrainians who came to us here as refugees from eastern ukraine, a different culture of behavior, such a personal culture , other, other, other values that people profess, and another and another way of behaving, even on the road, when a person who thinks that it is possible
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in polish, it is a road to drive regardless of any restrictions on fines and so on, because there will be no ukrainian license plates , it will not be possible to establish who was driving by them, they allow people to behave completely inappropriately, and this and such mechanisms of deep psychology are also present in us unfortunately, it has not yet been worked out. we have not yet realized how much of the russian world , that is, something like that, which europe, let's say , poland will not emphasize in behavior. well , how many of them are cars, some other phones, and the fact that i can afford to break the rules there are also such things in trifles, talking loudly somewhere in public places, l- boiling your children, scratching them, this is also a manifestation of the russian world, making fun of others and bragging that they are poorer. ukrainians should understand this. thank you, mr. myroslav. myroslav, the head of the union of ukrainians in poland, was with us. now
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let's move from poland to turkey and talk about the consequences of this earthquake. p igor, we congratulate you, i congratulate you good day p yuri more than about 30,000 e-e the figure of the dead in turkey and syria about 100,000 people who were injured more than 100,000 people lost their homes - these are huge numbers that increasingly say that depending on how much turkish government erdoğan will cope with the consequences of this earthquake
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, his political future will depend on the next elections in particular. do you share this assessment? is not so obvious. and the fact is that many people remember that there was such a prime minister suleiman demirel in turkey - this is a duet of goods and ertugan won the election against him by a large margin, criticizing him for improper preparation or independent behavior during ah and after and before the earthquake, that is, after the earthquake of 1999, new rules were drawn up, new approaches to construction in turkey, based on the earthquake-unstable lawn, and how we see it. well, here they are
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did not comply with these actually developed during the time of erdoğan, and the requirements, and according to the idea, it should hit portugal in terms of rating, but it will hit depends on how well the opposition will be able to deliver this message. masol, and there is not enough time, and it often happens that there is practically now a state of emergency has been implemented it will be seen that only the song was filmed before the elections itself. that is, it limits the opportunities for the opposition to talk about it, although qr-v is the leader of the turkish position, one of the leaders of the turkish position, and he directly accuses the government and the president of what happened, but it will take time for that so that, as i say, this me, er, went away. therefore, er, it is possible that there will be direct consequences, let's say, of this earthquake, and we won't
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see it, but um, in any case, it 's clear that the resources in the virtual world will now become much more less, but let me remind you that these are resources he planned to direct the support of those population groups, and loyal population groups that were supposed to give him a positive result in the elections, mr. igor, i want to ask you at this moment, people wrote that they say that in turkey during an earthquake, more victims are among women because of a peculiarity that women refused to run to save themselves from the houses before they put on the hijab how true is it and how influential is this this this this earthquake is so bloodthirsty it may somehow
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change something in the culture of the turks due to this so that at least at least at such moments it was already possible not to cover the head with a hijab, you know this is obviously more speculation because , well, it is quite possible that someone behaved like this, someone did not behave like that. that is, i do not think that the situation in regard to the hijab in turkey is so much the regulations are so strict that, in principle, in the conditions of force majeure, we can ignore them , that is, it is completely part of the discussion of the islamization of turkish society in general , and the domestic part of turkey is not satisfied with this ongoing process of islamization and under eh food and orthogan here, in principle , they can use it as an argument in disputes, but i wish what, this is rather this
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is rather speculation than such general general rules such information about the fact that the police do not cope with a large number of looters now in turkey very there are a lot of personnel networks, how are some lynchings catching them? well, in the end, we were joined by a ukrainian woman who lives yesterday and from the association of ukrainians precisely in turkey. and she said that this is really a problem. give advice to the police, what does this in general indicate about the situation in the conditions of chaos, there are groups of people who want to see it, they can hump both the housing of citizens, of course , and shops, that is, here this is not some kind of phenomenon inherent only here in turkey. let's remember the beginning of the war and remember some
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