[000:00:00;00] yes yes yes that's great analysts of the stockholm center for eastern european studies he was in kyiv recently he worked in kyiv for a very long time we have known each other there for 10 or 15 years i don't know and good health eh i remember we from last time you they said that you are more comfortable in russian. i am ready to switch to russian, ukrainian, okay. there are no questions. the editors told me that i will be fired if i say two words in russian, but the address. please tell me the last one. i don’t know if this is the last one, but i read one of the few articles about the post-war period. you

devoted to the constitutional principles of russia and the constitutional principles of ukraine and drew attention to the fact that this is a difficult moment under all conditions ukraine will win no matter what, but the change of geography is a violation of the constitution or russia because it is written in the constitution that crimea is russia or ukraine because it is written in our constitution that crimea is ukraine and something needs to be done, and this raises a much larger number of post-war issues, and the world in general is ready to discuss this, the legal base of the european world is ready to solve these issues because we did not fight seriously after in 1945, if we do not take into account the balkan wars of the 90s, well, this was actually an article written, of course, primarily for a western

reader, about whether it is possible to have some kind of peace here through negotiations, and this is a very popular thesis in the west that supposedly all wars end with negotiations that of course, not so many wars end only because of the victory of one side or the other and that peace is better than a gentle such a very simple opinion of many not only ordinary people but also experts and diplomats and politicians well, me too that's why i wrote this article and just said that here there is a very big problem with the russian constitution, because it says that these regions of the country are actually russian regions, yes, they are plus

those recently annexed territories, and there is even such a paradoxical situation that according to the idea of ​​the russian constitution, if there are negotiations, then moscow or someone there which represents moscow, should ask ukraine if it is not possible to add some more territory for russia, let's say the kherson zaporizhzhia region, so that it would be a real russian territory. well, how is it written in russian constitution. that is, it is a very paradoxical situation and it is of course just to say how unreal the quality of the productive victory there is, because there is now a conceptual problem, and can we

conclude that the world, in principle, is not ready to discuss the situation today? and after the war, i have the impression that the europeans, well, that’s how i see it, it’s just the last year, i see it, that they solve problems as they come, they just don’t think about it today, and their whole behavior is ok, we’re going javelins no, we, we did this uh no guns let's do it later. well, look, the ukrainians are fighting hard. well, let's have guns, let's give them guns for 80 km. oh, listen , they're fighting hard again, they're good guys . well, let's go for 100 km . well, let's go.

i don’t see a broad discussion, well, except for what you mentioned, negotiations, wars end with negotiations anyway, but what is the situation in russia, post and how can we allow that nuclear weapons were stored there? can we allow that the un security council continued with russia and there are billions of questions, there is no such thing as such a broad discussion in the west. well, i will confirm that i took off the discussion about the future of ukraine and the discussion about the future of russia in relation to ukraine, there is still some discussion there and there is a lot of talk about the reconstruction of ukraine about the european integration of ukraine what security guarantees can there be for ukraine, when ukraine can join the eu , nato, this is discussed a lot, and there are

different positions and, of course , the internal politics of many countries also play a big role here. let's say ordinary people there - they are different, hmm, i think, let's say about the country's entry into nato , let's say in central-eastern europe, there, mainly. there are many people who do not want ukraine to join nato , at least while there is this war , and people there probably do not mind, but only after the war. will buy from nato when this is no longer the case

i need to be in relation to russia, i really don’t know yet, because it seems to me that no one knows what the future of russia will be, whether there will be a future for russia, whether there will be a russian state or will it fall apart, how will the regime there, how long will putin live there who will be after putin or will it be another e. is the president there or will it just be putin number two, that is, it is much more difficult to discuss something there, because there are a lot of options for development, and ok , look at the addresses about russia, and i will have them for you now conversation with mark feigin, a russian opposition politician. i am going to ask him, but now i will ask you. and there is no mistake on the part of the russian opposition. the russian opposition

has been saying for many years that putin should be removed and everything will be fine . the design of the new russia, they, we do not know, is it a parliamentary republic, is it a presidential one , will the regions have any power or not , is it a bicameral parliament or a unicameral parliament, and there is absolutely no understanding remove putin and everything will be a request to be silent mykola do not talk on the air ok yes please well, as far as i know, there is still some kind of discussion between different, mainly diasporic , russian groups, which there, for example, are proposing to make russia a parliamentary republic that is, there are some plans, well, for now. of course, it's still early

, well, in principle, i somewhat agree that the biggest problem here with putin is not only not so much connected with putin's personal, but simply with the fact that putin plays in this clan system and political system, he plays a very important role there, and if there is no person like putin , it is not so easy to create such a person. because putin, if he himself created this system of different clans competing with each other, if there is no second putin and it is not so easy to make a friend of putin, then this system will fall apart. rather, the problem will be that it is not that there is no second putin. and that there will be a lot of people who will think that they should be

the second putin, and that is, different clans will sniff each other and there will be a key question whether or not these clans find some kind of compromise, and it seems to me that it will not be difficult to find such a compromise, and since if there is no compromise , then there may be some kind of democratization in russia, not because there will be a position, but because there will be some kind of there civil society, and because simply if there was such a method of solving these problems, that is, there will be many options when there is no putin involved in this . i rather agree with the position that the key problem is also him

. how is putin and there is no method of how to find a second way, that is, there is not there, there is no formal method there, the central committee is there for the sixth time, and that is why it will be a very interesting moment. and maybe the last question or group of questions, as far as we can worry that in the event of a major civil war in russia, when all the clans will start fighting among themselves, control over nuclear weapons will really be lost, and these nuclear weapons will threaten humanity, because there will be two warheads in the samara province, and in the ulan de yake, which i mentioned today, there will be four warheads and certainly no one in the world will understand where they are, who controls them, and so on and so on, do you think this is a real prospect

, unfortunately, yes, yes, it is possible, and probably the biggest problem here is that it is not strategic, strategic weapons there, well, it will be a situation similar to 91 when the soviet union collapsed, that is, strategic weapons will be under the control of moscow, but as for the so-called tactical nuclear weapons, they can be there in different regions, and indeed it can be very safe there.

there will be a dog, well, so will semi-states , and they will use these weapons, yes, unfortunately, there is such a risk. now, as i promised, there will be mark feigin, a lawyer of the russian opposition public politician, if he is there , then we will see him. yes, here it is look at something, i will give you such a difficult question for the answer, but immediately or in brussels, i will not lie, such representatives of some peoples and nationalities of russia, opposition moscow, have gathered ,

what were they talking about for a long time on the 16th? -to hold a vote a-a and when i saw how it relates to this, let's say so, the great russians a-a novaya gazeta evropa wrote that there are some things that i understood to be solving national issues in the russian federation of russia this is not russian, that is the titular nation does not want, will not, does not gather, and this title, the nation continues to consider it small children, some, that’s it , here we have it. so, some, i, corners, here, we have some, uh, i don’t know there, uh, tatars here in we are some bashkirs, that’s all absolutely petty people who don’t understand anything, and even after the defeat of the empire, everything will be as alexander the first said, everything will be with me as with

my grandmother, everything will be as fixed, everything will be good, everything will make moscow bow down and so on in general, it doesn't seem very good to me i am afraid that there may be some nationalities and boots and like bunnies , but there will be nationalities that will not sit like bunnies. mykhailo zhvanetskyi said at the conservatory, it is necessary to correct such people, in my opinion, not so much your opinion, mark, but eh, i would say that this is an old problem, it really consists in the fact that the consciousness of even the authorities , even of its opponents, it really exists a certain common place and this common place is the scale of the perception of russia as it is today , it is called imperial consciousness, although there is a more

complex interweaving of different elements that has and this is what is called great russian because it is not only the titular culture that suffers but everyone who belongs to it or associates themselves with it are muscovites, such moscow metropolitan intellectuals, for example , the author here is sitting here, azart is someone who wrote everything in the new newspaper, and they accept themselves as really more educated the upper class, knowing that it is better and the provincial people of this autonomous region, well, in fact , a dismissive attitude towards them was formed in the soviet period, it was greatly aggravated by the ideology of the big brother, that there are some really reasonable children, that is , they need to be brought up, they need to be taught they need to be poured out with difficulty and so on, that is, they

do not pull on the state-forming nations , you know. but on the other hand, vite. the state of the nation is the same for ukraine once and for the second time, who is the georgian, who is the moldovan, who is the baltic country, that is, this is the perception, they all the time will fall into dependence , the same how he chechnya, we understand what we are talking about, it certainly seems under the influence of saudi arabia, and so on well, where else can you get drunk on your own, this people, this nation, can’t exist. maybe they will necessarily, if i don’t leave us, someone else will come, but they just think they can’t. just like the ukrainians, if i can’t exist, they don’t. we must be somewhere, we love from moscow, or noisy , you know, but they can’t just be by themselves, that’s exactly how it manifests itself, this is imperial imperial patronage is like that yes, metropolitan centricity is not that it ’s like russians like that.

in the 60s of the century, many countries abandoned the empire of construction nations, which had overseas colonies , which were in africa, in indochina, and so on. give me we will answer for you let us we will not educate you let us we will not develop you progress if you want to do it if you don't want to do it don't want to do it very much i have traveled the colony from india to the shadow of the british, for example yes there under the mandated territory of hong kong and so on hit well, here is this conscientious, disinterested person from the metropolis, well, if you want to do it, don’t do it, don’t do it, go destroy it, you added what mark i would have added, i won’t lie, where it was, well, it was east asia, when everything was on the contrary, the british said, we are leaving in the dark, no, stay, we are not leaving, only no, we are leaving, this is difficult for us, we don’t want this army, keep thinking about the economy

, something and some diplomats, we want to leave, and whether or not we will die without you. look more widely, i'll ask a question, mark , look очень важно , it seems to me that it's only us with the a-a address of the uvland that we talked about it when i listen to it. the impression that someone is trying, well, successfully or unsuccessfully, i'm not talking about a new design, create a new new agenda , as in russian . with good intentions yes, that's what will happen after putin, that's the whole position , let's remove putin everything will be good, two-sex, one

chamber, the national simpleton is resolved , or so, the teacher of the assembly is necessary or not necessary, the president remains or not , well, give the people to the russian people simply let's say, look, this is ours, yes, this is god, a different proposal, let there be a discussion, let there be something, so that people understand and people will marry. -10-5 and 20 and no, no, if it’s a weakness in the russian position, well, it’s a well-known , monent, their property, weakness . what’s the point of the fruitless discussion within the opposition? it’s the main, well, cementing element. because they’re always arguing about something that will happen somewhere you know the main discussion about that's how they are. that's how they are. that's how parus wrote a general article about what will be. what's the council? that's how the new power will be formed

, but none of them noticed. who will you not take? reality where it will be possible to carry at least this discussion and we will have a two-part parade of the parliamentary republic or the presidential one and we will give the people the opportunity to hold a referendum separate or will remain voluntarily completely putin will be eliminated. and how do you actually carry out this act of regime change and a personal system that will open up some opportunities for you? the fighter will even discuss a topic there, for example, about what you are drying and with a rather violent spitting , this moisture will go away, or is there already some - that is the peaceful way, even this discussion is afraid because they have to answer the question realistically what can be eliminated only by force, only by force, and that by power, because it is the same

it will not go away just like that, even if they lose after suffering a defeat in ukraine, you understand this all the time, there is some kind of discussion with a relative, er, to the heroes of romanov, mmm, or petrova , you understand, it starts to suck lokhankin, and when it ends, it means brian - it’s the head, it’s not the head, they’re endless kicking vests , that’s what no , they are more comfortable, safe, irresponsible , and irresponsible to discuss what will happen because it can happen, maybe they don’t have a plan. прекрасный другой and that's exactly why everything will go as usual, everything will go unpredictable chaotically, all their programs can be thrown into the bin, they won't have any meaning and it will go as it will, because i'm repeating the actors of this process once again . the change will most likely not be them because they they have no plans, no action , you see, and this is such an inevitable river that cannot be overcome by consolidation , the russian position is developed, it will never

unify itself, that’s how it turns out , at least with immigration, at least with the metropolis but yes it happens and the most important thing is that the government uses it. it is self-produced all the time, you know. well, they will eliminate putin. putin will be left behind. there is a collective putin family, or it doesn’t matter. myshustin will be pushed by anyone and they will be able to maneuver. in the next cycle for another 20-30 years, as it was already in 90 - this is such a chance. and what did it end with putin and the war? you understand , therefore, the weakness of the russian position, just as it is already a tradition in that it does not take on itself responsibility for solving immediate problems right now right now and that's why she's afraid of all the other demands

of these actions in the crowd of small nations in russia, you understand what the problem is, because it works on a smaller scale, it works only with a small nation, the current autonomy is possible, the future free chechnya , you understand, and we act more easily in this sense , and the program is clearer, you understand that it is only in one point it will separate itself from russia and leave. how can you run away further? and what will happen further there, this people will decide for themselves, and here. where will you run ? where will you run? position, and let the request be made, it is not important from ukraine in the face of ukraine. that is why ukraine, let someone do it. and we will come, we cannot be undemanding . we are talented. from

we speak their languages, we lived in the west , we know how it is right and necessary . because the soviet government was interested, too, how would you ask about the process, you lead, well, 15 countries appeared, poor , you understand. in russia with its autonomy, this happens when that is what you said, never when they beg to stay, they say no , no, no, we will not stay, the british empire is leaving. damn it forever, until it happens, this is the realization that it is best to let everyone go, and he they will meet later, will they want it later? let the next generation decide. yes, it looks beautiful, i agree, but see , this is an important moment. do you believe that ukraine can

become this, eh, this point, eh, bifurcation or three furcations and so on, just no, i’m not calling for disintegration there, they didn’t disintegrate, yes, it’s not my business, it’s the business of the russians, but how to think in this direction, even if you understand that this is one of the options, everything can be preserved, as it is, everything can be divided into small the pieces can be big pieces, but until we start, that is, it is not us , but the russians, who think that this variability exists, nothing will happen, it will just be a huge thermonuclear explosion. the war is going on and the process of half-disintegration is almost doomed .

it looks fatal. i think that there is no more time, there is nothing, there is no opportunity. yes, not military for this disintegration . well, let's make an agreement. the kremlin is supported by the great word of the people, well, or indifferently referring everything to it, and they launched this, we go to peace to do it. how did you seduce everyone else with this method that it is not solved by rallies and discussions, and then beerpaf, you understand, well, in this you are exactly the same. the problem is that they themselves showed the way of the civil war, the way of force is falling apart, goes to rallies when you shoot from a pistol and you solve all problems, and you understand, so to speak, in the danks, why do all these many decades of impotence mean to you discussions when it is possible to achieve everything through a man with a gun understand the questions excuse me you are again a very important question see and

there is a chance for 40-50-year-olds today because, apart from everything we are talking about and seeing that when the 780-year-old is in power, they just think like stalinists er, brezhnevists for them, this is all a natural course if they change the chance, as well as some social elevators, in order to get people who can at least think differently, you know, i'll be honest, i think i myself am a 50-year-old man i want to say that, in my opinion, there are no longer even such chances for a 45-year-old, and the change of consciousness in an entire generation can be said to begin at the age of 30 , not earlier than that, and there are still big questions, you see. тех кто сейчас that's where putin is, so in the eighties , which, by the way, for most of the current summer, you are hotskopis, a specific member

of the communist party of the soviet union, you know, well, there are no big ones left , such as members of the general election, a candidate for the central committee, well the main oil is told by party figures, it is said by party members who continue to really think in these categories, for example, there is already putin 's representation of statehood, he said he worked in dresden, led the house of german-soviet friendship . -eh-eh dpg as it is e dpg as it is the united parks of germany yes, that is, it says something about something well, even in these forty- five-year-old experience it's bad, it's necessary to update it more radically, that is, it should be even more young people, that's how it seems to me that this is the problem. well, i can only thank mr. mark fegin , a russian oppositionist. i'm glad that there are such oppositionists in russia, because many

positionists will later be scraped. yes, they have such an impression somewhere were next to the kremlin, and here we see such a rather rare lawyer of the russian opposition public and political figure. now we will have a small film about post-conflict situations about mental disorders. is in ukraine and not only in ukraine, in the whole world, wherever there is a war , there are bound to be people who need help, and this is exactly what we will have such a big six-minute story, and i advise everyone to watch it, and then we will come back and talk about economics about sports and we will answer the questions so post-traumatic syndromes empty traumatic stress disorder pt-heart