[000:00:00;00] i thought that because i had my own life experience , i repeatedly told about it that i, in principle, in principle, began to form as a person who wanted to write something in the school broadsheet when i read the yugoslav press because somehow, from the very beginning, i would begin to see that all these four-column soviet newspapers are somehow stupidly written and i was looking for something else , i accidentally found for myself uh, yugoslav newspapers, which at that time came to kyiv newsstands, because we had some students from yugoslavia maybe we didn't have it students, they were simply in the soviet union, but it was such an arrangement that three yugoslav newspapers in kyiv, three yugoslav newspapers in tashkent, that's how it was, you already know , the planned economy can and everyone should have been sent to moscow where his slavske students really were, but it doesn't matter, we

know how it was all built then and i read it from read it every day i read it, it was big newspapers for coats, 13 kopecks, i save on donuts, that is, her figure and this is what i have since then, although i have never tried and it looks absolutely different -e world and absolutely a different perception of information and then when i already started working in journalism i suddenly noticed that all my peers who are next to me were formed by the literary newspaper and the komsomol truth that this is a completely different view that they even want to do modern journalism but they cannot because they completely formed at the age when a person begins to look for creative soviet press and i realized that until

a new generation of people appears who have never seen this soviet press in their lives the press that i will study at western universities that will read the new york times, everything, the washington post, and now when i read the university of secrets, the washington post, i would say that i really regret that i didn’t read them in 10 or 15 years, that i read boron you are a politician. maybe i was better, but you won't do anything. i will remain the way i am, and one way or another i had to realize that this is a simple thing that does not form soviet journalism, it does not form a critical attitude to information and a critical attitude to life, but that's how the newspapers lie will not be, but in the western press it is there is always a discussion, some opinions that may even seem idiotic when i look at some of the western editions, there is a page of opinions, i think, god, what an idiot, such idiots live in

great britain, there is such a joke in great britain, and such an idiot, god, how many idiots are there around there, people who do not seem like idiots to me they argue with these people who seem to me to be idiots, these people who seem to me to be idiots, arguments are put forward and a healthy society lives, i can imagine that some of these people can also consider me an idiot but he listens to my arguments when he doesn't listen to the arguments of his opponents the catastrophe is just beginning and so in this regard, i think that what else i saw is very important during this war it is that our people are still trying to believe in cartoons well, just now telegram channels which, in principle, are not based on anything, a completely special dimension of informational informational presence, you

can invent information simply as a series of cartoon series, vladimir putin fell from the east today, he barely supported him some patroshev also fell and they are all lying there and tomorrow vladimir putin will die and then the next series vladimir putin’s double went to alas because vladimir putin would probably have died already we don’t know and it’s already over you after that the official series begins when the president of ukraine who may have read i am speaking these news, who am i talking to, i don’t know, maybe it’s not at all , there is no yakov putin. well, the president of ukraine is also a living person, if a living person is shown a cartoon every day, you are also a living person , we will think, maybe in fact, maybe it is really there well, the truth is on the air for two years and putin supported this doppelgänger after that he fell, this is just such a humorous example, but we understand that

during hostilities such real examples that are supposed to destabilize society and that are supposed to create certain problems for people , millions of them, this also applies to himself the course of military operations and the fact that we are constantly faced with completely unverified information that we want to accept or do not want and that society is constantly living in the captivity of certain messages that, in principle, are created exclusively in order to, at the right moment, when you won the trust of such a society , shoot me with some kind of informational provocation. by the way, the situation when our compatriots from telegram channels or youtube three channels of igor strelkov and i

did not understand it, well, igor strelkov from criticizes he says to the russian army that they all do not know how to fight, they are all incapable of anything and we rejoice and we read but, in principle, we read the texts of a war criminal , a person who came to ukrainian land with weapons, who is responsible for the death of peaceful people who we were afraid why should we take the point of view of such a person seriously at all? why should he be an opinion maker, but if even from official officials of ukraine the words that strilkovo is doing a great job, he is going to organize the russians should be supported in such information, but strilkovo should not be counted on by russians like that things are precisely calculated for you and me so that we start to trust a person who at a certain moment when necessary will say that now the ukrainian army is no longer able to fight

but sometimes we trust military expertise such a person, will we trust him when he is used for such a purpose , then there is another very important thing that we also have to remember that in our country the language of obtaining information is the same, and the toolkit itself, how this information is created , is completely different i recently read it just for a good example, i didn’t even read it. i listened to stefan tsveh’s memoirs. i sleep well when i listen to fiction. when i need to fall asleep, i always listen to something that i wouldn’t have read anyway. stefan flake is one of my favorite authors, just like that. plane now well of course there how many teenagers i read it when we were not there for 15-20 years and now i use it for

therapeutic purposes and suddenly i heard an episode that forced me to wake up right at night bach and what was it stefan feh is at maxim's gorky sorento is already there at the end of the 20s, the beginning of the 30s. maxim gorky left the soviet union and is being treated for tuberculosis. so , he doesn't really want to return to ukraine . stalin, and suddenly they learn about yours about naples, a soviet ship arrived and several sailors from this ship went to sorrento for maxim gorky, they come and say why are you sitting here why aren't you building socialism with us and the workers and the writer maksym gorky igorkov says to novoyavory and i

still need to finish things and they say to him come already would be socialism with people and he says his pride, but you look at them , you don’t really want me home with them, and you tell him, he says, as you guessed, i really want to be with these young people. look how loose they are, how you seem directly they sat down and said let's go home hedgehog proletarian writer i.e. there are two great novelists you can say people there consider geniuses in the understanding of human psychology five agents of the nkvd come to them with a completely specific text that was written will study the migrant writers come back su and it works with stefan tsvet with maxim gorky they didn't tell each other listen to this for sure stalin wants something to lure you, comrade gorky, to the soviet union you don't need

to go anywhere, this is a very dangerous signal to no one comes to mind by the way, the results are known, he left, firstly, he destroyed his biography because he became a golag singer in the last few years of his life, secondly, he was killed, thirdly , his son was killed. you and i are not strefan, we are not maksym gorky. by the way, it is even more difficult for us, you and i do not analyze human psychology and this is not our profession , we are engaged in other matters. and imagine that we are dealing with an information flow that is all directed and orchestrated by from the first to the last word from the first to the last letter we at the same time create from this news prigozhyn attack on the puck and gerasi to you everything everything is the end of the russian army

listen to the military officers oppose putin all the end the end of putin putin appointed gerasimov took off yesterday vskie all the end of prigozhyn and such stories a million things happen in a week, at the same time, a person sits in the administration of the president of russia, not shown, not very smart, sits and writes this script for comrade prigozhin, will speak with criticism of comrade sheik gerasimova, the text is suggested

comrade medvedev will issue a threat of nuclear weapons. the text will be written by referee petrov. comrade volodya will warn the western countries that he will destroy them soon. hot tub, beautiful hot tub, beautiful hot tub, but clearly none of them even directly participates in this performance, which is being played out for us, what is

the question, what is the main question, and that's all those the very techniques of the soviet special services. by the way, the creation of such a parallel reality has always been used for soviet dissidents, and in the countries of the so-called socialist camp , staizei was the best at doing this, according to german intelligence , in which you can say he studied. to see how it is, that is, such a parallel reality is created, such a web in which people have to get entangled, while those with whom they are fighting are simply carrying out assignments on certain verticals are me. why scare me because i believe that wrong decisions can be made precisely on such an occasion. if such admiration for these performances comes from the bottom up, if there is a certain public demand for such an understanding of reality, say in the country for which you are fighting, then this country can certainly support you

at any moment to get caught on the hook of your propaganda of your special operations to create in you an absolutely illusory illusory idea of ​​​​how the situation will develop, let's say i am absolutely sure that in this situation in which we are now at war with russia, there is no water supply for cows, no influence, there is none of this, there is a state created by the federal security service of russia and its tools are different here, solovyov, here , kiselyov, here, prigozhin, here, kadyrov, here is someone else , in order to defeat this state , the federal security service must be destroyed of the russian federation, not putin. by the way, our chekist friends knew exactly what was needed to defeat the communist state and establish their own

power, they did not fight gorbachev, they needed to ban the communist party of the soviet union, this is the right approach, if you destroy a competing vertical, the danger that someone will fight you is destroyed at the moment when boris makalevich yeltsin read the decree on august 24, 1991, by the way , a few hours before the declaration of our independence, the baron of the communist party of the soviet union on the territory of the russian federation consider that everything was done, the kgb began to really rule russia. but this had side moments in such a story. well , let's say the side moment that when boris

nikolayovych signed it, he was so scared of ukrainian communists that they voted for something that they never intended to vote for in their lives, in a few hours the act of state independence of ukraine was proclaimed, but you can write down that if he had not banned the communist party, they would have voted for the act on state dependence of ukraine . never in their life and they did not even think, well, somehow they adapted there, well , well, did the employees of the federal security service of the russian federation , the then future state security committee of the ssr, understand that so that by destroying the communist party of the soviet union , they thus start the collapse of the soviet union itself. we have to study the consequences of the security service of the russian federation. but this is another story, that is, whether russia will collapse or, on the contrary, will become such a positive magnet that again many of our

compatriots from the east and south of the regions of our country, god will allow me to say, i may need more time with them for a common language, they have already understood everything without the chekists there, how nice it would be to live with normal people nearby, these europeans are completely incomprehensible to us. we also need to work on this option as well and there is a moment. but why am i talking about this because the most important thing is that the essence of truth is not in the truth itself, but the ability to draw correct conclusions from reality. truth as such a language can be achieved by a holy person. i am not a holy person, i do not engage in sermons. if i would like to fight for the truth for the sake of the truth. i would be a priest, not like patriarch kirill, but a real or a rabbi who is also good at healing people's souls just for the sake of the truth, but there is even this rabbi and the priest is asked what to do. well, that's what we told us

so we are all so bad in the soul, bad in family relations , not very good, we have sinned, what should we do, father, and well, we will also have to speak, the ability to draw correct conclusions from the truth, we always go the absolutely opposite way, we are usually, and this is a problem of our state building of the last three decades, even if we begin to understand reality, we do not draw from it the conclusions that should be drawn, but these conclusions that we like, and again here we are moving to the situation with the war, but the whole cycle of a great war of russia against ukraine, i want to say of course and about our i mean informational life, which also seems to me

quite often not so much oriented towards us as oriented towards an external audience , which also loses its understanding of what is real is happening in our country because, as you know, i worked in russia for ten years, i usually keep certain contacts with those of my colleagues who remained in some liberal positions. many of them no longer live in russia. many of them work with me there for such corporations there like radio svoboda i won't even say that the question is not whether i'm with him, i don't contact him that often, but at least they are present in my feed in social networks just like my ukrainian colleagues and that i see that the only real

the source of information about what is happening with the war is the advisers of the office of the president of ukraine to these people. it doesn’t even seem like there is any other information space when i tell them listen, you know we have a ukrainian-language information space, they are very surprised. why don’t you watch telegrams of the youtube channel, the feeding channel? well, of course people are watching, but you don't understand us. people understand the ukrainian language, it's difficult for you, but it's easy for them, and they have this , this, this picture created by russian-language sources, they can even, uh, zelenskyi to listen when he addresses them in russian once every six months, it is their idea of ​​our reality and i always think that it is really possible for them and not for us , but from another point of view, why why should a whole office of advisers work for 55 russian journalists?

it was simple to send them some e-e sms messages, it would be easier to contact him, but these russian journalists are being followed by a ukrainian audience who also think that this is the information that is real because it is allegedly broadcast by people who are probably them they do not know, but in a certain way, why do they, advisers, go to the office of the president of ukraine and advise someone there, and then when these people suddenly make a message that is based not on their real information, but on their fantasy, but it already contrasts with the ideas of our compatriots about them he is very offended , why are you offended, you lived in this cartoon all the time, you just

liked it, but it turns out that there can be such a series of cartoons that you don't like, and by the way, about the cartoon it doesn't seem like me i thought it was invented by none other than dmytro kiselyov, when i know during his work on the ukrainian tv channel ictv . so this is russian television . radioactive ash so this is also a question of our information hygiene, the war gave birth to a huge number of people who want to conform to the illusions of society, and again

the question arises whether we need such an honest information flow, do we need an honest atmosphere in communication with society? that you can still limit yourself to one tv channel with an absolutely specific circle of people. once i compared our political tv shows with zucchini 13 chairs soviet because it is absolutely the same, but i remember this one zucchini as a child, that's it, mr. director, ms. monika, and then i turn on savik shuster's show, mr. shufrich , mr. saakashvili. it became for her a different vehicle, then it means that in my show, too, in principle, the same people are also the same, and the composition is the same. the people with whom we discuss something. this is a discussion, even though it depends on the genre of the program, some people do not

go to your tv channel, while others may wanted to go, but you don't want to see them, and that's it. that's all the zucchini because this gentleman is the host. and there are also female presenters from mosiychuk. they also have their own bright zucchini, and suddenly it's all here, but on the other hand, it's the same tv channel, there's news, there's different people there it doesn't look like that because this squash is happening two hours on week and if 24 hours a day you and i now find ourselves in such a scheme 24 hours a day ago, in fact, people lose trust in television networks. we are there on espresso or on other channels outside the marathon, but outside digital broadcasting, people go to the internet and even very it is good if they are met there by the advisers of the president's office, and they can be met there by a sharpshooter, and they can be met there by some channel that tries to

pretend that it is ukrainian, but we need to know in the office of the president in general, that happened yesterday people believe and what are the remedies for such a situation, well, the first remedy that i always consider necessary is to completely leave the russian information space, including the telegram channel. leave this information space to us. we voluntarily agreed to this rape, so we can consider that this satisfaction is worth it. secondly, we have to return to the debatability of television broadcasts, this is what our leadership , western partners say, this is what we say, the time to return to normal television will come sooner or later, there should be a discussion not about

war is certainly not about military actions, but military actions can be completely limited to specific official information , the president, the general staff of the ministry of defense, and everything else, expert assessments, in general , you cannot turn war into a whisper , and i always said that this is why i always thought that examples are very good israel with its military censorship that even the names of people are not reported until there is no official notification that they died , that something happened, you apply for high-profile information for military censorship, it gives you permission in israel does not allow reporting the names of people who died in terrorist acts, this is respect for their loved ones - these are people , the family must be informed before all the newspapers report about it, i can give an example of my own practice, which again , again, many of mine it may seem strange to colleagues. today there were reports in the new york times newspaper

that the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zalozhnyk transferred a million dollars to the armed forces of ukraine from our singer, an american of ukrainian origin, mr. grigory stepanets, who bequeathed this money to us, and mr. zaluzhnik will confirm this information. i have known about this story about this will for six months . this happened because the friends of this honorable gentleman, when he was alive, turned to me as a journalist. they just knew me and the journalist for advice . she wanted, he wanted to bequeath the money to ukraine, he wanted to understand in what form , and so on, so that i did not tell anyone about it, because i believe that mr. zaluzhnyi should receive this money by being outnumbered, so this person wanted the ukrainian army and trusted mr. zaluzhnyi mr. zaluzhnyk, would you be her idol? he is such a ukrainian former dissident who became a microsoft programmer, did

some research there, and recently bequeathed his millions of dollars to the ukrainian army to ukrainian education . well, it is obvious that i had but i thought that it was not ethical or i will decide the issue for the people who bequeathed money who will now go through the procedure of transferring this money to the armed forces. idiot i don't want to look like a wartime how are things going even if i can report something i'll be the first let me pass this on to my colleagues who will talk to mr. archaic approach but i believe that it is possible to do something during the war that should work for you and not your

name but does not work for the state or society in the end all of us, if we are engaged in this work, answer to our viewers in front of our readers in front of our listeners in front of all those who need this balanced realistic information in this period much more than before i realize that now more people are listening to me than before the war i don't see anything in it frankly well i would like this audience i was smaller and there would be peace. i would like to be a theater critic. maybe someday there will be a time when there will be no politics here and it will be possible to write about the theater. i have been dreaming about it since

1989. i once again hope that my dreams are carried out, and this is what i wanted to talk about, that we need information, we need, i would say, a wall between us and russian propaganda, information, and we need to dose information in our own country, to make it competitive, honestly, and this is also an important task in times of war, those times that you and i live because the psychological health of society is a question not only of our present day. it is a question of our future. we need people to get out of the war. well, at least for the conditionally and psychologically healthy, we are preparing to continue to live and build countries to rebuild, and you are wonderful. everyone understands that after the war there will be very difficult times, very difficult times, and we need these times to pass without new illusions, without new electoral shocks, without new disappointments , so that we finally get a society after the war that will be able not to fight among themselves, but