[000:00:00;00] there is looting, theft, and the like, that is, it is not completely clear how it will work, but one thing is clear, i can definitely say that it is a huge economic loss, both infrastructural and housing stock, and actually people, and if ertugan is up to this point i was expecting to give out, let's say conditionally, to my clients, er, to make social payments , that 's right. it is clear that there is already a renaissance ahead. well, let's say i did not expect that the situation could return to this direction, because

last year, as we know, his rating began to rise again and already his team was rubbing their hands and believing that the victory in pockets what to say about the turkish syrian track, this is how it will look like and look here the turkish syrian track does not look like anything looking at the truth and uh if we look at uh certain uh elements of the interaction that we are currently observing yes between turkey and syria in in connection with the earthquake, it is quite possible, as well as in other cases, such as armenia , turkey yes, where the armenians also provide help and this is perceived as very grateful from the side of the turks, and here, in principle

, the help of the turks by the sergians can also to be part of such a strategy of interaction and policy changes between these two countries. taking into account the fact that, firstly, if the negotiations had so far ended in nothing and hrytsogan under pressure from russia, he was ready to negotiate with assad, the au demanded preliminary demands. -is the liberation of the territory, how will it be now, well, it is quite possible that this will actually have a positive effect on the relations between these two countries. i mean in a broader sense, in the future, it will make it easier to restore the full scope of relations. and tell me, how do you view the situation now in the middle east, in connection with this tragic situation, it can be said that such a period of reconciliation is beginning, and turkey, israel , turkey, well, this usually happens often

, yes, that is, these massive, massive disasters , such human great human grief forces countries that were at war to at least forget about their enmity for a while to return to some common human ideals and show their best qualities but i think that this is a short period, after a while the situation in the country will stabilize a little will return to his usual rams, have you seen this interview with nathalie benet, i say, became a sensation wherever it was possible to listen even in hebrew, you are not surprised that a person with such an idea about life headed the israeli government. to be honest, in some

i am in such a difficult situation. yes yes. well, you do have such a problem. well, actually, well , how can i say, in principle, you can imagine in many other countries, roughly the same kind of politicians who are under fire every day in our country ? here we have the same history as the history of any electoral democracy, when such a golden card can also be played by naphtori bened, a person with his small a-a resource can become prime minister as a result of a-a interesting diplomatic moves well, that is, clearly he is no, he didn't exactly win these elections, but as a result of the difficulties and somersaults of the israeli electronic system, he became well , we have what we have

, or rather, a small one here before china. and the political edition cites that in china, of course, they are concerned about the situation and the escalation of russia's war against ukraine, for them it is also economic and certain inconveniences and so on. and they are allegedly trying to convince the european union to bring ukraine and russia to the negotiating table. they didn't provide weapons there, didn't help and didn't wait for our complete victory. do you think it has any mass media at all ? can china express whatever it wants and the european union doesn't pay attention to it? well, i think , er, well, china's position is important in any - in any case, even if we can not pay attention to it now, and since, in addition to the fact that china is a permanent member of the un security council, and in

the future, in any schedule, china will play an important role in the negotiations , the final battles are already possible after the ukrainian victory, because well, at least i do i think for sure the americans will want to see china among those countries that will determine the counters of the new order and peace of the world order or will confirm the counters of the existing world order , that is, in this case. there is nothing new, that is, what we hear is nothing new there, and they are constantly talking about it. and this is already familiar rhetoric on the part of the chinese side, which obviously

understands that the scenario that existed in the beginning of last year, that is, at the beginning of the war, it finally broke down, and the chinese, in conditions where they do not know how they will develop, they take an otaku rather well . such a cautious position with the maximum uh, the maximum of such soft conciliatory rhetoric, but it should be remembered that and china and india and other countries from this region, and in most cases, they consider ukraine as a kind of imperial project of imperialism to destroy great russia, and from these positions , all their considerations, even the situation, should be understood from these positions. when they graze, they do this, it is possible to secretly support moscow, yes, even in this situation, well, yes, i think so

. to what extent do you, in principle, believe that it is possible that in beijing, uh, they will begin to treat all these russian actions in the central europe, fearing that they threaten china's economic interests. well, for now, this will be the decision of one world, this is the specific decision of individuals. so far, the hay is apparently not ready for such radical steps. we remember this story once and brought a report to an agreement or there is an introduction about the state of the russian army and he wrote there that all this is not true and there is an awareness of the classes of classical ideas about how the world should be built in this part of the hemisphere will obviously hinder the chinese in steel such ideas will hinder the chinese to change change and so on in my opinion, everyone in this sense is quite

a conservative politician, that is, he is not ready to change, and his entire policy is becoming more and more conservative, and china is becoming more conservative, that is, it is hardly possible some serious changes in this regard. thank you mr. igor igor semenov, director of the center for middle eastern studies, we will return to our conversation on the air. literally in a few minutes, we will listen to people suffering from rheumatism. but the arthritic cannot get used to it, it does not allow to move. i have tried everything. and in the pharmacy i bought a yellow dolgit cream, it saves me from pain in rheumatism, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility in the crimea for joint and back pain, cinema, television, port

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is fighting, see in the new tv series from the docnotfilm studio, the union babylon 13 art in the country of war from january 16, on weekdays from monday to friday at 11:10 on espresso , we continue the saturday political club anzhelika sezonka and vitaly portnikov and in this block we will traditionally and to sum up the main events of the week, we will start with the visit of our president volodymyr zelenskyi to the european union. he visited paris , london and brussels, the seeds of the european parliament, mr. vitaly, i wonder what you think. this trip was only for that purpose. to agree on weapons , to ask for the support of the strengthened. does it still have some deeper meanings? i think that the main meaning of the president's activity in general during this year, and this is an important part of his work, is to maintain the world's interest in helping ukraine. what else can the president do to the situation when the essence of the survival of the state depends on

the armed forces, and the armed forces depend on foreign aid, but we have to realize a simple thing: public interest in ukraine is connected with the president's indiscretions in virtual parliaments, and with what the russian barbarians are doing on our land, we have seen it many times, i will say that even in 2014, if the russians had not destroyed this small plane, i think that there were no such sanctions that will be introduced against the russian federation. because the russian federation demonstrated the world in her readiness for any barbaric actions when it comes to her political interests, and here too. we understand very well that when people learned about the horrors in buchi, about the torture in izyum, about the bombing of the maternity hospital in mariupol

all this led to the fact that western public opinion usually turned to help them overcome this danger. russia is a real danger, but over time. when war usually acquires its routine character , the situation in interest in what is happening becomes less. people live with their problems, they cannot all the time to live with the russian-ukrainian war , there are no new such great crimes, there are no new flows of refugees; unknown geographical names do not mean anything, their own economic and social problems are beginning to come to the fore, which are worsening every day and will continue to worsen, and therefore the question naturally arises, can they come to an agreement there if they still cannot submit to each other? and how much more will they lose there? people or maybe it should mean sacrificing

territories and not fighting further , especially since you understand that when volodymyr zelensky was planning his trip to london, paris and brussels, he certainly could not imagine that there will be such a huge earthquake in turkey with so many victims and of course on the first columns of the world media the first lines of news to see if there was a russian-ukrainian war before if you opened it e-e newspaper in the morning you saw that without purely russians if you turned on the informational news channel what have you seen of the nationalism of the russians? and what do you see now, of course, and in this situation , it is very convenient in the end to do what many in the civilized world would like to postpone the ukrainian issue somewhere for a second or

the third plan is to deal with much more urgent problems, to think about how to negotiate with russia, etc., when the president himself appears, not virtual reality as a reminder that the ukrainian people are ready to fight, it is first of all europe , one must understand that a visit to london is a visit of eternity simply connected with the fact that great britain left the european union, if the british were in the european union first and our position was much more important in europe and there was no need to fly to london because the prime minister of great britain would be most likely in paris or the president of france and the chancellor of germany were in london and it could have been some other place . it was possible not to visit, but what happened happened, this huge political mistake of the british people happened. now britain is in the biggest political and economic crisis since post-war decades , we do not know how it will come out of this crisis or whether it will come out whole, i hope that it will come out whole, return to the european union and that this huge mistake of the british

populists will be overcome by the people themselves at least even at the cost of the heaviest economic and political sacrifices in the history of britain, this is already such a textbook story, when you vote for populists, you get a disaster, but it is clear that the president of ukraine had to appear there . great britain is trying to do everything it can, it can't do much. aid to ukraine, and then the european union, a speech in the european parliament, meetings with european leaders , it became clear who is who, let's say the behavior of the same viktor orban, and this is such an important moment for to increase interest, because this visit is again on the front pages of the western media, and i think that when president biden arrives in europe on the anniversary of the war, it has already been announced, and it is not for nothing that president biden is just as interested in

keeping this topic in the center of attention like president zelensky, he was ready to fly to poland to support this interest because what putin is counting on is that sooner or later this interest will decrease and simply means it didn't work out in three days it will work out in 3 months it didn't work out in three months it will work out in three years, it didn't work out in three years, it will work out in 13 because putin's simple idea is to sit them all out. he has already sat down many of his enemies , democracies, presidents, and prime ministers are changing, even the federal cash gala merkel has already gone into political retirement, and putin is and is going to be president russia nominally until 2036, but i think that if he lives until 2006, russian legislation will be changed in such a way as to give him the opportunity to die in the chair of the head of the russian federation. why

should he then think that he does not have time, he had the gap of time in order to destroy the civilized world and ukraine. well, what is he counting on? yes, but we have to do everything . what is the time he ran out of and what is the secret of this success ? the first is the intensive supply of western weapons . the second is the strengthening of western sanctions. the third is help. ukraine, after all, why does putin have the idea that sooner or later ukraine simply cannot stand it , but if ukraine will receive western weapons and will receive economic financial aid from the west, the west will also demand the reform of the ukrainian state, then putin he can fight as much as he wants and spend his own resources in the end. he will also run out of them. some china will not give him money, and the west should also adjust to such a long-term, multi-year aid session for ukraine, and not for it to be like this. zelensky should talk to the europeans, this is logical but it is interesting about weapons. we already mentioned fighter jets today

. well, long-range long-range missiles are what we are interested in first of all . andriy yarmak, the head of the counter-tendency, after the negotiations took place, immediately wrote to his they said to the official telegram channel that the issue with the weapon has been resolved. and in an hour he already wrote that it can be resolved , that is, he edited his message. we have people who came to power in ukraine in the last three years there, they worked in such a sector where the importance of words is unenforced in the original genre , the entertainment genre, you can say

anything and the public just has to like it and therefore, the attitude towards the word is enough. i would say this, well, how can i say it lightly, this can be seen in all the statements of everyone, and in politics, every word is important because a careless spoken word can result in the death of tens of thousands , if not millions of people, disasters, wars , crises, lack of responsibility for words this is a lack of responsibility for human life and that is why it is so important that professional politicians know how to handle words professionally and that is why i always say that only professionalism in politics can protect nations from failure crises and catastrophes, and we always saw that if anyone made careless statements , it was then given such a sign that even previously adopted decisions were turned into them

. so that the fighters were able to simply, well, it is valuable to share my impressions with a large audience, and then it became obvious that we need to be more careful about this topic, which we see. by the way, the statement of today's president of poland there is nothing criminal in this, it's just that people learn about responsibility, they all learn from the top of the ukrainian government, from the first person to the last, because maybe someday they will learn, maybe they won't learn , it's the same skill - to a certain extent, the tail of handling the word, well, you know if more long-range missiles . by the way, they say that we can use british missiles to attack russian bases in crimea on our territory, which is temporarily occupied by the russian federation, and the british prime minister is just the right decision

commented on this topic and he said that well, i won't quote, but he insisted that ukraine can do it and it will be such a precedent from the west that we will start providing such weapons to ukraine and will not even be opposed to the fact that they destroy russian facilities e p vitaly, if we are talking about a fighter jet, it’s about long-range weapons, if britain said it, then they probably won’t give it. and it is so unexpected about long-range weapons it will be a collective decision without agreement by the united states of great britain it will do nothing because everyone will understand very well that the responsibility will be borne by the united states and the president of the united states must clearly tell the prime minister of great britain that they will be together if russia

is taking some steps in response. we don't know what step it will be, that's what is holding us back from such a decision. i think it's absolutely right to talk about what we feel. schizophrenia schizophrenia is connected with the fact that the west, on the one hand, believes that russia is waging war on the territory of ukraine, on the other hand , for absolutely incomprehensible reasons, believes that ukraine cannot be responsible for russia's western weapons, even though the west takes part in the world, it has enough weapons, it's its own time said this russian propagandist yakov kedmi, who for a long time disguised himself as an israeli official, said that the soviet union supplied weapons to egypt, but no one paid attention to the fact that the soviet union was participating in the war. and what

did egypt, syria, and jordan do with this with soviet weapons they fought with israel, they fired at nothing, and this is where israel responded to egypt with these weapons , which were supplied to it first there, germany, then france, great britain immediately with germany , then the united states and egypt did not say, do you know what a horror they are fighting with the weapons of the united states, we we will fight with the united states, there is absolutely no logic in this . you gave weapons, and the army that you gave weapons to has a clear understanding of how to dispose of these weapons if it wants to destroy a military object she does not have to inform you about the enemy, you know this object is here, this object is here, and this object is here further on, if you are really afraid of russia and the russian response, then you must understand for yourself that if you say that it is possible to strike in crimea by donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, it is the same from the point of view of russia, the territory of russia as the kursk, belgorod, voronovsk, or maritime regions, there is no difference, there is a constitution of the russian federation or you

trust this constitution and then you say to the ukrainians, but god forbid any weapon cannot go to where there is the territory of the russian federation from putin's point of view because putin will answer to us and if you say, you know there are three types of territories, there is ukrainian territory on it, you can do whatever you want, your territory is occupied, which russia considers its own and you can do whatever you want there, but there is a territory that we recognize as the territory of russia, nothing can be done there, but i apologize and who are you playing with, are you doing it for your own comfort or to comfort putin, if it is to comfort putin, then it is absolutely obvious that you cannot take any hostilities on the territory of the donetsk region, it is absolutely obvious that it is not possible to enter the regional center of the russian federation kherson with western tanks or vehicles

of western weapons, because in fact western weapons are in the regional center of the russian federation. what is the difference in kherson or in kursk, i do not understand. and if you think that it is possible to go to kherson, then why not to belgorod, what am i , that is, well, well, once again i say this is pure schizophrenia , because if we believe that the president of russia can launch a nuclear attack on the territory of ukraine if ukrainians will act on the territory of the russian federation, then it must be clearly said that they are already acting so he would have already done it or has already done it or can do it, everything has already been done ukrainian troops occupied the regional center of russia from the russian point of view he has many reasons if it is only a matter of wishes if you believe that a nuclear disaster can happen , then it is inevitable, there is no need to do anything else, you can no longer go anywhere if we believe that putin is not going to use nuclear

weapons, then i want to convince you that from that do you destroy russian military facilities on the territory of novaya kakhovka, which is from russia's point of view the district center of the russian federation, or on the territory of the bryansk or kursk regions, nothing changes, that is, the west must tell itself that it has already crossed these red lines, that the possibility of using russian nuclear doctrines are already there that there is an opportunity to decide where this doctrine will be implemented in ukraine or against the west itself because it is western weapons on russian soil damn it is already there you must either calm down or say and give weapons and say what can i say where do whatever you want or do something else or say we are very sorry but let's withdraw all our troops quickly, at least those who have western weapons from the donetsk luhansk kherson zaporizhzhia regions want

to fight there there, please don't do this, defend the territory that the russians consider to be theirs, tomorrow, of course, russia can calmly convene the state duma in favor of the federation and accept all ukrainian regions and all belarusian regions with a large score from the point of view of how you see it they are doing it, they can accept the primorsky voivodeship of poland tomorrow, organize a virtual referendum in the kaliningrad region and say, you know, in denmark, 80 % of citizens want to join the kaliningrad region, and what are we going to do about it ? they do it all the time , and they do it in the constitution of russia

, which prohibits the annexation of the territory of other states. the national legislation of the russian federation, who is interested in moscow, well, less so, unfortunately, before this new offensive, which everyone is talking about, the russian army will not have time for us. i understand that to provide weapons even if they have a great desire, because even leopards, especially of the first series, to us they promise as early as the summer in germany, and because there are more of them there than leopards of the second modification were offered, but we are waiting, we need it now, the president also went for this, but there is another topic that the president actively discussed with the representatives of the european union this topic of our membership in the eu, and the president, you and i recently discussed the statement of prime minister shmal that in two years ukraine will be in the eu, then shmagal explained that he meant inferior membership that in two years we will already prepare, fully implement the legislation and complete the reforms, but our

president volodymyr zelenskyi also repeated this thesis and said that in two years we will be in the eu even after the victory over the russian federation we will be in nato, it is still wishful thinking. i think that the president just wanted this, we must clearly understand how the european integration of ukraine will take place, first of all we need to reach a situation when we will be told that our status as a candidate is accepted that we fulfilled all the conditions according to the results of the last summit of ukraine and the european union, this did not happen. i hope that it will not happen in 2023. yes , in 2024, then there should be an audit of ukrainian legislation for compliance with european legislation before the start of the victory. i hope that the european commission usually needs one or two years for this audit. i hope that in our situation the european commission can move faster , this is a political issue