[000:00:00;00] president volodymyr zelenskyi also repeated this thesis and said that in two years we will be in the eu and after the victory over the russian federation we will be in nato, so this is still wishful thinking. i think that the president just wanted this, we must clearly understand how it will happen in general european integration of ukraine, first of all, we need to reach a situation where we will be told that our candidate status is emphasized, that we have fulfilled all the conditions according to the results of the last summit of ukraine , the european union, this did not happen. i hope that this will not happen in 2023, but in 2024, then there should be an audit of ukrainian legislation, the inconsistency of european legislation before the start of victory . i hope that the european one, as a rule , takes one or two years for this clothing. i hope that in our situation, the european commission can move faster on this issue of political will to this legislation

, let's hope that somewhere by the 25-26th year , this one will end, then there should be negotiations, the negotiations are related to the fact that ukraine should close all certain sections of the legislation on each of these sections, which are related to the compliance of certain laws and reforms of ours with the legislative norms of the european union, i have to tell you that we ourselves cannot be interested in the fact that this happened in two years, i can explain why because let's say poland, when in the midst of negotiations , she demanded that she be given subsidies for the development of her own agriculture , because she said that if she entered the european union, she would accept all the norms there on the production of agricultural products that exist in the european union and farming farms will simply die because it will turn out to be completely

uncompetitive in poland, they went to meetings and allocated subsidies to farmers , postponed certain implementation of certain decisions there for years, and so poland kept its legislation, it is its secular economy , if we go to another in this way, we can lose it absolutely calmly immediately after joining the european union , prices will rise, competitiveness will be destroyed. that is , we need to grow economically to the european union union to be there or not, to develop some necessary money for patrols , to give us money, let's say to the farmers and the farming industry for the first period, and we have to say it, we will comply with these norms, they will live according to these laws, but you, let's give money so that they don't go bankrupt that is, to create a background for this and this is a serious issue and it will not be easy, but i remember this famous story when poland joined

the european union and journalists with laughter, it was not funny, actually ran with the counter looking at how mouth-watering raw milk is growing in poland, why is there germany, there is a price for raw milk in one beautiful day , the economic border between germany and poland is disappearing and german milk producers can buy milk at a lower price than in germany in the border voivodeships they usually flee to poland, the milk is starting to rise in price in these border bicycles because these polish manufacturers say oh, well, it means there is demand. that is , we paid conventionally speaking there, uh, 50 cents for i don't know how much 10 liters is there. maybe even though i don't know these prices, i'm saying it is conditional. well, now

we can sell for 50 euros in germany - that 's 2 euros, well, we'll make 50 euros in two months, the price in these border voivodships is already 2 euros and the german manufacturer says, well, i will move my refrigerator to the next polish voivodeship and so east to lublin, but please tell me what is happening in this situation with polish dairy enterprises if they are used to buying 50 cents, and suddenly they are forced to buy for two euros, and thus all their products increase in price several times, and the polish consumer is used to such prices, and the german factory nearby can afford deping because it is

a larger enterprise that can invest more in them. opportunity and they can buy for €2. and at the same time, to continue to act exactly as they acted in the previous situation, the truth is, that is, to sell products at an undervalued price, and of course the polish manufacturer says well, we all need to close like this in order for this not to happen, a producer subsidy is needed, and this is what i did . one to one, a tiny, tiny example, but there are many of these examples when it comes to the economy, so in principle, you need to understand that the negotiated process can take from five to 10 years, another important point in order for the negotiations to begin, we tracked it, we recently talked about it with the former prime minister of lithuania and the address of kubilis , it is necessary that all the member states of the european

union give their consent to them . was the republic of macedonia a candidate for the european union in 2014, the european union began negotiations with the european union in 2022, not through its own fault, but because, in principle , greece would have been cornered at first, because they wanted the republic on the northern border to change its name. constitutionally, then when it changed its name, it suddenly began to bully bulgaria, so they said we like the way you interpret your story, which is absolutely wild, but that's how it is. i think that when we see the handshake of viktor orban and volodymyr zelenskyi, we should realize that viktor is elected what is he will remain prime minister in hungary, i will definitely say , you know, we are ready to help the european integration of ukraine, but first let ukraine change the law on education . we are ready to create a commission, we will talk together

, and when you see the law on education adopted by the ukrainian parliament, it will be ice honey, we will be able to give the go-ahead, and this is not a joke, because the eyes. well, no matter how long i wait, i do not allow the ukraine nato commission to be held at the ministerial level. it is possible there, but you cannot avoid it in the negotiations. i think that we should go and us or us compromises will have to be made or the west will have to hold some negotiations with hungary or there will still be bulgaria , north macedonia and compromises were never made . france developed a mechanism which with great scandal managed to be pushed through the bulgarian macedonian parliament and no one liked it, but since it was the will of the great powers members of the european union, and bulgaria also receives huge amounts of money from them, so they

well, this mechanism, we will create a commission of historians, for this it was necessary to make changes to the constitution of north macedonia that negotiations began to recognize bulgarians as a national minority in macedonia to begin with what did you understand that the main idea of ​​the republic of macedonia from the moment and in the northern region from the moment it appeared as part of yugoslavia there in the 45th year was that no bulgarians live there and there are none in bulgaria, on the other hand, has a macedonian national minority that the bulgarians do not recognize . this is the official concept of the nation in pirian macedonia. there are macedonians in bulgaria, but there are no bulgarians in our part of north macedonia . the bulgarians did not recognize the fact of their existence.

national macedonian minorities that's all i can tell you and hungary times romania 2 poland 3 it can be for macedonia, it is 18 years, but there is a certain amount of time in order to solve all this, and that is why i would like us to join the european union on the watch of volodymyr zelenskyi, that is, in two years, in 2023, the 25th year, we joined, you know, i already said that i would like to be member of the european parliament and it is better to do something not when i will be 75, but then when i will not be 60, but on the watch of vitaliy portnikova, to the deputies i will become a deputy somewhere on the 70th anniversary, if i am elected , of course, a ukrainian citizen, a festival , such a moment should not be forgotten, i will become a deputy

, i will run for the european parliament for my 70th birthday, but i would like it, i say right away, i would like it to be as he says with the president, but if i count all these risks, problems with the main theme of the victories themselves , then the reality, the rest is a little reality, it is before 10 years, on the other hand, i'll tell you. i already argued with petro poroshenko about tomos and also sat and thought to myself . what should it be like this period after a long period of time ? petro poroshenko looked at me in surprise and said that it is possible to achieve this within two years if there is the will of the people, the willingness of the government, the desire of the church itself. well, many did not believe, and then

it came true. poroshenko turned out to be right. and if now zelensky turned out to be right. i will look too i would say that i like it, i say that i would like zelensky to be right, as i argued then, but i wanted poroshenko to be straight right, because i am not at all an enemy of those who would like ukraine to quickly join the european union i just don't realize it yet, i don't know, especially since it is necessary to understand that this is not only our problem, the european union in general needs to solve a lot of problems with the expansion of moldova , which is also a candidate or does not represent, i really hope that it will be accepted into the eu together with us, but the problem in transnistria must somehow be solved in one way or another

, then the western balkans . the candidates since 2004 have already held a certain part of the victory and albania in nothing at all and so to speak, she is not guilty . she was just waiting for the negotiations to start with macedonia because they were going as a couple. that is , there is no dalbania at all, there were no comments no, they just said wait until macedonia will solve its problem with bulgaria, but wait. how long can you imagine that a citizen of albania and you are in you and you know that your country does not have any problems from the point of view of starting a proven process, it's just neighboring countries, it's not that it's not ready for that, it's just a neighbor too the neighboring country does not want the neighboring countries to start negotiations. and for you, she has no complaints. she really wants to speed things up in magnitude. unfortunately, you are a couple . well, injustice is what

politics and europe look like. yes, you mentioned vitaly. viktor orbán already had several interesting moments at the meeting of the european parliament, when our president, the prime minister of hungary , urban did not clap, the only one he did not clap as a greeting, let's say he did not pay respect, unlike other politicians. that he doesn't see zelensky, that he is very busy with his own affairs, prepare for this speech . i haven't memorized it yet. what is this? what kind of circus is this? type of course he perfectly sees zelensky, he wanted to show that he is not embarrassed by this, that this is not the main priority for him, that he did not come here for this, that all these people

behave quite logically and in this regard . of course, there is a rather obvious moment that connected with the reluctance of hungary to simply realize the reality that its orientation towards russia actually contradicts the national interests of hungary itself urban does a lot to make hungarian society live in an unrealistic world you know that the vast majority is in favor of something the end of the war, even through territorial losses on the part of ukraine, and it looks quite strange for a country that lives all its life with this trianon complex and says that a huge injustice happened to our country , we were deprived of two-thirds of the territory, we were unfairly accused, we were not

aggressors, but we became hostages of this austrian war - hungary hungary itself was not the aggressor in this war, why did we lose two-thirds of the territory, hungarians live in different countries and this is one of the main topics of the political i would say biography of viktor the hunchback means that if hungary got rid of two-thirds of its territory after the first world war, this is a historical injustice , it is bad, and if ukraine gets rid of its territory , which is bought by russia, it is absolutely correct and logical, the main thing is that everything stops and that hungary does not have any uh-uh problems, so in this in the end, i have to say that i do not consider this to be the correct position of viktor gorban himself as the head of the country, which i would say several times suffered from the russian occupation in

the 19th and 20th centuries by and large hungarian democracy was able to start developing only at the beginning of the 90s of the 20th century. hungary has never been a democratic state in its history, and now the question is why and because when was the first attempt of the hungarians to create their own democratic state, their uprising was destroyed by the troops of russian general field marshall paskevich when the hungarians tried for the second time to create a democratic state with the help of the soviet bolsheviks , the bolshevik government of the bellacuna was imposed on them, an absolutely bloody terrible insane government and as a result of the overthrow of this after the communist coup, the strong-arm regime of admiral hort came, when the hungarians tried for the third time to create their democratic state

after the collapse of hortism and salashism after the second world war, when the country was freed from the influence of the reich, the soviet union imposed this communist regime on hungary, absolutely wild matiosarakas, this is just the third already the fourth fourth wove the gorts of the year 56 . troops five times historic for the hungarian nation russians russians no one else not germans not french not british not ukrainians russians inhibited their normal development historical memory turns into

fear so afraid of russians do they think that everyone else should be so afraid i think that hungarians should recover as a civilization, only when this fear will pass, when they will realize what is the role of the russian people of the russian state. it's just that every time every time as soon as it burns to rise to the full height, the russians shot him and it just looks so shameful, you know that they killed the leaders of the hungarian uprising in the 19th century, they killed so that the participants of the hungarian uprising in the 56th year in the 18th in the same year, the bolsheviks, this sleazy company, flooded hungary with blood to the applause of lenin and all his practitioners. how so , well, that is, well, at least from this point of view, they should somehow sympathize with us. well, you see how

ukrainians are now resisting the russian occupiers a small country at all and with unfortunately, the army was neglected at the beginning of 14 at the beginning of the war in the 14th a-a year, but now we continue to fight and liberate our territories . there is such an invitation, but they haven't answered in the affirmative yet. do you think urban will come ? will it still be unacceptable in view of his relative relationship with putin, if he wants, under the presidency of hungary, new boats have already arrived in kyiv. by the way, i imagine how he will come, they will always set the condition that he comes to kyiv and then some meetings will be held in beregovo, i will say, and these meetings in beregovo

will be shown on hungarian television as the main event , not the meeting with zelensky at all, but the prime minister when he went to ukraine to support our hungarian compatriots because he is rooting for all hungarians all over the world, here's to prime minister orbán. applause for transcarpathian hungarians, whom hungary will protect in case of anything , always ensure their safety, so here's to you prime minister of peace, that's why he is also for peace because, as katalinova said, we have 250,000 reasons to want the war to stop, so if the ukrainian side agrees with the fact that kyiv and berehovo, let's say, will be the two centers of such a visit, well, he somehow has no one can go and leave the other side. forbid him to stop somewhere, of course he will then come as soon as he needs some kind of electoral or propaganda victory and, uh, on hungarian television, the meeting with zelensky will be shown

very briefly, one minute, the meeting came to kyiv and an hour in berehovo. when catherine arrived, i also wanted to understand and what was the point. in general, she did not come alone. it was a collective visit, er, one way or another, and then i noticed that the hungarian media wrote more about everything about and staying in transcarpathia. yes that there are always secrets of hungarian politics here. by the way, has there been any changes in beres during the full-scale invasion of russia ? because when i was there a few years ago , i went several times over the course of five years. in hungarian, not ukrainian, mostly in shops they speak either hungarian or russian, but i don’t know how it is now. the truth is that in january, i can’t say that

they speak russian there, but there were people who spoke hungarian extremely well, because berehovo has a lot of hungarian ethnic population , it’s ukrainian, the same day. i never was not that the hill people who live in transcarpathia spoke less hungarian and where i was that people knew the ukrainian language as well as people of different nationalities living in this region and this is always a question of hungarian flags at state institutions are always scandals in certain places and the fact that these flags appear not just because , you know, this is the burning desire of the people, but also because the hungarians, e . budapest, and they should demonstrate their loyalty to you for the sake of financial support, and i believe that this is not a very polite attitude towards the ukrainian state on the part of the hungarian e-e leaders, because it is absolutely

obvious that their national minorities need to help is a fact, but not to help so that this minority is forced to show double loyalty to you in the interests of hungary, so that ukrainian citizens of hungarian origin develop their language, culture, their national heritage on the lands where they have lived for 100 years, and on the other hand, so that they are loyal citizens of t there are states in which they live, this is also logical. this is their development as a community that they could communicate in the state language so that they could hold positions in the civil service while teaching in budapest all the time says and why is this necessary they are already studying in hungarian institutes and universities, but i don’t see anything logical about this, if young people from the same beregovo from other towns in transcarpathia go to study at hungarian universities and institutes and stay in hungary, it will happen sooner or later

there will be no hungarians in transcarpathia , and hungary will also be impoverished because such an original community will disappear, and ukraine will lose an important part of its own. i would say that such a multinational identity is absolutely. the context that i felt more like a foreign country there than in ukraine, what the language is, so what, but when in public catering establishments, in shops, when it’s just clear from people, but that’s why we expect ukrainian , but it’s not there, you know well, italians probably when come to the south with this role. they can also feel to a certain extent like they are abroad because there are signs in german and everyone speaks german, but the trick is that if an italian addresses

an employee of an institution of the service in italian, he responds to him. it's up to you to say, this person is german, she usually speaks german, she usually lives in her cultural environment and to such an extent that you know there is a famous holiday, the italian farm farm, the main italian holiday and where everything freezes, where are all italians in general just they celebrate as the main day of the year and suddenly i came across this holiday. i remember in the south it is the role of dying merans and i started and i know that it is a day off and everything is closed, i started asking people well there there u to a supermarket somewhere to a hotel. and what will happen tomorrow? well, to understand how to behave, because in italy, as a rule, you just have to buy everything before that, because there is nothing, and these people don't even remember. and tomorrow, as a religious holiday, religion arose, that is, b in the south, nothing happened to this role, it was just an ordinary

religious holiday, they did not celebrate anything like that, well, they celebrated , someone went to church there, but in principle it was not part of their civilization, but they live in italy, they are italian citizens, there is no doubt that their identity for this. by the way, italy had to go through the difficult path of understanding this national minority. it's all very simple for us, the iso-mountains of transcarpathia . if we want to be part of the european family and hungary wants to be a real european country, then we need the transcarpathian hungarians to be able to do just that. to feel in ukraine the way the german -speaking population of the south feels in italy well, so that no one is on either side and what happens on both sides when the populists come to power, i told you this idyll told, and then there was a situation when austria suddenly started

issuing their passports at some stage like ours in hungary. and why are you doing this at all? it’s the european union. they are still citizens of the european union symbolically . the incredible indignation of the italians and the whole thing started anew, and it was literally just recently, well, that is , you can always find, if you are populism, an opportunity to invest somewhere in terms of ambition, like but i think it is much better if we were all europeans and it is also important that transcarpathian hungarians, i would say ukrainians of hungarian origin, felt comfortable in ukraine , knew hungarian, learned ukrainian, studied the hungarian sea in schools and, at the same time, could compete on an equal footing with their ukrainian-speaking peers when they take the external examination and when in attacking a ukrainian university, this

is exactly what hungary will try to stop when we join the european union, as strange as it sounds. therefore , we need to establish communication with our transcarpathian hungarians from hungary we need from hungary and we need to talk to france and germany about this to pay us the necessary mechanism for an international solution to our problems with hungary regarding how it all came about. yes, we have 10 minutes. i think we will have time to discuss a few more topics. concerns flight mh17 of the malozian boeing 777, which was shot down in july 2014 by the russian air force, and the investigative team came to a new conclusion that putin himself personally issued a decree on the transfer of the a-a dzk party to which m-m-who shot down the plane but

you know, it's so interesting, vitali, on the one hand, they say that there is evidence for this , on the other hand, they say that the evidence is not enough to present well, let's say a claim in the form of criminal proceedings against putin well, he also has immunity as the head of state in principle well, first of all, i have to say that i think that we are talking about an analytical conclusion and not about a document, secondly, i never had any doubts that this whole story begins with putin, the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the russian federation, this time it is an authoritarian country in which vertika and the government works flawlessly 2 this was an operation that was personally controlled by putin three this is a serious military installation with which you can shoot down planes 4 in order for such an installation to be transferred to the disposal of some not very clear paramilitary units of terrorists well not the russian army so that the russian army was together with these female agents of the fsb

naturally need coordination at a very high level, that is, some strilkov or some other person there should report above to some sorkov . this one should write a detailed report and it should come to putin and putin has to say either verbally or in writing yes, i will allow it to be translated, that is, to take responsibility because i do not think that even the minister of defense of the russian federation or the chief of the general staff can take responsibility because it does not happen within his part, you understand if this is a military unit of military unit 353 and here is a military unit of military unit 352 , then it is obvious that there is no need to contact putin, if there is a minister of defense or the head of the military district himself, then i myself decide this issue. across the border beyond the state border, secondly , there is no veche-352 there, there is simply nothing there