[000:00:00;00] by asian countries, especially those of southeast asia. that is, we constantly have to keep our finger on the pulse here, and we understand that in ukraine soon the un, despite all the problems of this system, will have to raise very important questions, for example, about the exclusion of russia from the organization. we have been working on this issue for a long time and right here it is important for us to understand how much support we will have at this important moment and such a vote . ukraine will be important, it will be some kind of road map for the ministry of foreign affairs, where to strengthen the work , where to throw more er, more forces in order to convince the leaders of those countries that are with us yet do not want us yet do not want to support us correctly . it is clearly necessary to constantly map the world regions of the world where we need to work more, where we already have support and

, accordingly, where we should send more requests for programs, and so on and so on february 20-22 joe biden, president of the united states america is going to poland and he will have a very active act there, the plan of the visit will be very active. as far as i understand, he is going to meet with the leaders of ten countries of the so-called bucharest nine, bulgaria, hungary, latvia , lithuania, estonia, slovakia, the czech republic and romania i don't know, i don't know, maybe, maybe i will meet with president zelenskyi , i don't know, but why this visit will be important for us, you understand, every visit is important for us in one way or another. but if it is a visit that concerns problem countries, if it is a visit

which concerns a country with, i would not say, pro-russian influence, but an existing pro-russian lobby, if it is a visit to a country with which we ourselves work hard, it is one thing , but when we talk about a visit, let's go to poland, this is a slightly different order, this is a geopolitical order, let's remember biden's last speech in poland this is actually what was then called fulton's speech because, well, in many ways it reproduced the ideas of churchill's plutonian speech, that speech just started the cold war, it was not a work with some complex audience of poles, we know how close are the ties between the poles and the americans, we know how much about the ukrainian mine and the others. that is, this is not the kind of visit to solve something, so here we should rather expect geopolitical statements, we should expect or confirmation of the current course of the administration not from ukraine until the end, they are with ukraine in they will help in everything and in everything, or what i personally really hope for, something more radical, something more counter-russian, something that can really change the situation, but look, this morning i

read the opinion that biden is going to eastern europe in order to convince those who hesitate to somehow change their course, because this bucharest nine includes hungary, which recently, well, puts sticks in the wheels . what is simple ? it's just not clear why they do it. the political game of orbán and his government on the other hand i don't know maybe there is a hand of russia but nevertheless he will meet joe biden will meet viktor orbán most likely a-a what do you think they will talk about actually a conversation with orbán for biden is necessary because the body is not just such an ant beetle that can prevent our adequate and quick entry into the european union, let's not forget that you are coaling, it is also a nato country and, accordingly , the position of hungary within nato. cold shower just during the communication with the european zelensky leaders in brussels

, and it was clear that he was literally being physically put in a situation when he was surrounded mostly by european integrators and most pro-ukrainian the politicians literally tried to push him to the wall, especially threatening the lack of funding. biden, in turn, has his own arguments with which he can talk to hungary . these arguments relate to liquefied natural gas, which hungary was also interested in through bulgaria. these arguments relate to the replenishment of hungarian arms stocks because against the background of the general armament of nato for hungary, the issue of replacing its old aircraft with old missile systems with american ones has also become an actual plus this is, of course, a matter of support within nato and in general the bilateral, multilateral interaction of the usa and hungary, that is, biden continues the course of our other partners so that hungary ceases to be a beetle in an anthill, the course is so that hungary is at least a silent neutral, but really does not put a stick in the wheels because now the success of ukraine is the success

of the west. if hungary is working against ukraine now, it is actually working against the collective west. do you think biden will be able to convince orban or will orban continue to be stubborn like this according to the course he planned for himself. it seems to me that orbán is an old, worn-out politician. he will make his classic and his classic focus . he will verbally continue his hard-line policy of great hungary , restoration of historical justice, and so on, but we will see. steps, maybe it will even be such secret steps. this was, let's say, with the previous bulgarian government, we will see a change in practical policy, but informationally, orban will not change. exactly. and the last question for you for today, mr. oleksandr. please tell me. the united states of america has appealed to its citizens who are in the territory of the russian federation. they live in this territory . they may even have dual citizenship

. immediately leave the territory of the aggressor country . this may indicate something. well, in fact , the americans have already given several such warnings, and they simply systematically renewing it at least shows that the americans really assess the risks posed by the russian federation and never reject them the risk of a full-scale confrontation between nato countries and russia. therefore, this is just another indicator that our western partners quite sanely assess what russia is, what a threat it poses, and that this threat, unfortunately, will not subside , well, that is, you do not think that they because you are looking at a full-scale invasion of the past before the 24th of the year, they said that all citizens of the united states of america should leave ukraine because they had intelligence that russia would launch a full-scale invasion, it seems when there was an aggravation in ukraine in june and july, they also appealed to the citizens

of russia there oh and russia i apologize to the united states of america to leave ukraine because there will be an aggravation and they had this intelligence data, could this warning be based precisely on intelligence data about that something could happen well, we have already heard from the pentagon from the intelligence community that they consider the next few months to be the most important for this war, they believe that in the next few months, in principle , the next course should be determined, and this or the liberation of ukrainian territories or a dead end or that they understand that the next few months will be as active as possible, including in terms of missile strikes deep into the territory of both sides of the conflict. therefore , it is possible with this, but in fact i will repeat the question that they should leave the russian federation of american the citizens of the state department raises, well, with such regularity that is why this is a rather classic passage. thank you, mr. oleksandr. thank you for participating in today's

program. thank you for always joining discussion well, the main thesis that mr. oleksandr said today is that lend-lease is a bailout so that it does not happen in the us congress, we have this lend-lease that already exists and is already working, and even if the republicans block the allocation of money, we will always have lend-lease and there are many billions well, it was oleksandr kraev, an expert of the foreign council of foreign policy, ukrainian prisma . well, now i will summarize the interim results of the vote . do you remember when we asked you the question when will ukraine be given airplanes? well, there are three options answers as always, soon it will take a little time and the option and now i see that 397 people have voted, 42% of those who voted will soon think that it will take a little time 47%, and your option is 11 percent. while i was talking, there are already

399 votes and the results of this i mean the answer to the third question, your option will be visible only after youtube uploads the program and when it is finished, and now we have people watching on e-e on a channel created specifically for the world during the war 1511 people thank you all too to those who watch us on the main espressiv youtube channel and to all those who watch the status of where we are, we haven't been taken off the air yet well, now i'm ready to introduce my next guest - this is volodymyr grigorbach, an analyst at the institute of euro-atlantic cooperation, mr. volodymyr slava ukraine , what have you joined? please, the new rammstein, what should we expect from the new rammstein, because look, there were already a lot of them and it seems that with each new

rammstein, well, at least i had the impression that the level of support is not decreased, but they gave less because they already gave a lot to expect from this ramstein, will there be planes? well, today it already seems that our minister of defense has made his expectations public. about air safety, air defense of ukraine, uh, taking into account uh, obviously, and airplanes, that is, there will probably be a conversation about airplanes, but what will be the result of this conversation, uh, we may not even know immediately after it ends . i want to remind you that when the previous one is already there will be the ninth and ninth meeting of the contact group on the defense of ukraine, which is called rammstein for short, well, it is shortened symbolically uh, and the eighth was dedicated there to uh, tanks

and tank support, and when they sat down that evening, we heard nothing a they began to collect information about tanks from various sources, uh, they said where , well, one tank at a time, it was to be caught for the next few days, so i think that we will also learn about uh, planes for ukraine a little later, not even after the uh- meeting because there is no ready-made solution . as far as i understand, there is not yet a coordinated solution. our partners cannot say it out loud yet, but our expectations are certainly very, very seriously heated. and i would urge now ukrainian citizens not to be disappointed in the case of well, let's say not an operational decision, why, yes, well, first of all, the decision on the preparation of ukrainian

solutions, and funding for the training of ukrainian pilots on american f-16 aircraft was allocated back in june of last year and somewhere. itself i think it should already start somewhere and take place. well, such a political decision and the physical location of western aircraft at ukrainian airfields will become possible only when ukraine will arrive. the patriots and other installations that will be able to protect the airfields on which this aircraft will be based, which we are asking for, that is, in fact, even if the decision is announced after rammstein, yes

, on some day or on the same day or a little later, but the physical basing of these planes on our airfields is possible. it will be only in a few months, maybe even six months, that is, we need to prepare, don’t you think? don’t you think that it will happen? well, you already said that it will be the same as the ramstein machine, at first there was no solution, then there were some columnar even these were not agreements, but somehow an attempt to convince those leaders who hesitated , the same can happen with this rammstein , that is, first they will say that there will be no planes, and then there will be those leaders who hesitate to convince yes, give the planes and in a few days they will convince him, well, actually , all the stages can be passed, because the chancellor has already announced the first stage to the german side . no , we are not going to transfer it, only the first stage will follow . god grant that this series does not drag on for a long time, so that it does not have too many

seasons and series, mr. volodymyr . please tell me. last week, the president of lithuania agitated again and said that he hopes that the russian economy will begin to feel all the pain which she deserves well, we already have enough sanctions, they are already starting to prepare the 10th package of sanctions and they say that before the anniversary of the full-scale invasion of ukraine, its forces should announce . please tell me when the russian economy will begin to feel all this pain and whether it will begin, you see, we talked about the ninth rammstein there, the 10th, the 10th package of sanctions against russia, the 12th month of the war, all this is already quite such a protracted process, and we, uh, well

, understand very well that it will not stop now, today or tomorrow and the case will continue the russian economy is not only gytana again, but also some russian economists are experts in that or, well, first of all, of course, those who are emigrating. fugitives from russia. they also calculate there financial deficits somewhere up to 30%, it seems that this year there may be a deficit in the budget of the russian federation, and this will be connected precisely with the lack of e-e oil and gas revenues, primarily e-e, in the next package of sanctions in the 10th, which is currently being discussed, it seems that there will already be a ban on e-e exports to the european union of russian fuel oil as a type of oil product, that is, in principle, the process was launched without these economic sanctions. it

has a very long inertial character, since the global economy is also a very inertial system. year of the war, at least the refusal of the european union or russian oil and gas, gas and other energy carriers, it exceeded all expectations but the russian economy is also very large and it is also very, very inertial more in addition, preparing for the assault on ukraine and, in principle, an attack on the international world order, the russian leadership set aside reserves for this for several years, and i think that this year they will hold out. but the next one is the 24th if there is a war to continue for them will really become very tangible, and here not only sanctions are in effect, but the war itself is also in effect, because the war also weakens and

bleeds the russian economy, and because of the finances that go to the restoration there or some kind of reconstruction of the lost material resources there, weapons, equipment, and so on. and because of the distraction of the productive, economic, productive population of the adult russian male population through mobilization, because they are removed from the russian economy and do not work in it, but to replace them immediately with nothing, yes, women are still at the factories of russian they don't work as they worked during the second world war , it's clear, volodymyr, look, lately, very often , the ukrainian traitor viktor medvedchuk, who was exchanged a few months ago, began to appear for quite a lot of ukrainian soldiers. it was a really good exchange . and here's the last

thing he said yesterday in an interview with the belarusian tv channel stb. medvedchuk said a lot . in the middle of other things, he said one more thing first, let's listen to what exactly he said, the next question for you will be, speaking of the minsk agreements, how did your question to the minister sound , i want to tell you categorically, i do not see the prospects of minsk 3 minsk agreements k unfortunately, unfortunately, they have been forgotten, if we are talking about some kind of peace, then this can only be said if the condition is met , that is, ukraine today actually ceased to exist as a state because ukraine as a state should be in accordance with the basic law of an independent sovereign democratic social and legal p. volodymyr. after medvedchuk's statements like these, i

feel a little dissonant. i will understand that it was worth exchanging him even for one ukrainian soldier, because this is a ukrainian soldier who is courageous defended our country in the east or in the south or in the northeast, but after such statements, after he is everywhere in this telespace, well, at least the northern and north-eastern telespace, he declares that ukraine has ended its existence , ukraine as such has already does not exist. did we do it right , that we exchanged it for only 200 of our soldiers ? a chilean communist actually plays the role of such a russian communist now viktor medvedchuk in the system of russian propaganda

eh and well, to be honest, i didn’t quite understand why he quoted the constitution of ukraine eh but eh regarding the minsk agreements and his conclusion is correct and coincides well it is, in principle, obvious to everyone here. you don’t need to be a lawyer or a medvedchuk to understand this at one time. these agreements, political agreements had a uh, well, this kind of character. and then, unfortunately, they did not understand the premise that medvedchuk is talking about, that ukraine should cease to exist there for the sake of all that well, in fact, this is a mirror argument, the russian federation should cease to exist in order for this conflict and this war to end, because the reason the reason for russian aggression against ukraine well , there is no rational reason for what they are saying

, it is rather irrational in nature, it means that we want to destroy you because we do not like you, and accordingly some negotiations, rational agreements, such as this are impossible in such a conflict, it is also existential for existence here, or ukrainian identity will be destroyed, as they want, the aggressor country wants it, or the russian federation will be destroyed, as a failed project , as a failed state, as a failed feldstate, an untenable state as now they are translating this word, therefore, are there any minsk agreements there, or are there any istanbul or humer agreements, they don’t have, they don’t have any prospects, it’s clear, volodymyr, the next question, let’s go already a little bit from ukraine well, at least a little bit from ukraine because it is our close neighbor

moldova last week oleksiy danylo from the nsdc said that information or it was a few days ago he said that information that russia is preparing a coup in moldova appeared this morning the information that the president of this country has sanda also said that according to possibly received ukrainian intelligence and possibly some other intelligence that russia is preparing not just a coup. and there is also an arrest, an arrest, very very many arrests. please tell me how likely this is. and if russia is really planning to do this, they just want to divert attention from what they are doing in ukraine, or do they really want to exert their influence on ukraine ? - a special operation of the hybrid type

, how did they think of doing it in ukraine and called it only the escort of which tank columns of mechanized ones ? moldavian tank columns cannot enter right now, but the fifth column has been sitting there for a long time and there is support for it. well , a specific, quasi-party, in fact, shor, there is this ilan shor, a moldovan criminal who, in russian, with russian funds, is leading all of this. he is not in moldova, he sits somewhere in israel, from there he manages these so-called protests, where people are paid for their participation , well, the poorest strata of the population and youth society are paid to participate in these rallies, and, well, some leaders , saboteurs, coordinators, that’s all they had. -is were supposed to take the lead in implementing and then the same purges that concern identity carriers in ukraine , the same would have been planned by the russians, and the same

purge was planned for the moldovans, and the elites, first of all, politicians , statesmen, journalists, public activists, those who were carriers of a non-soviet consciousness, so to speak no, no, the soviet return of moldova to the u.s. as well as ukraine as a part of the russian empire, here are the plans restored by the russians, these plans are very good, and here we should really be proud of the capabilities of the ukrainians of the special services, if they did it, they intercepted it in a detailed plan described in the logistics, including uh, and if they intercepted and made it public , then here i would still advise, and well, first of all, for our special services, for our intelligence , and secondly, now the public of moldova, which received this information in advance and accordingly this plan was made public, as a rule , such operations are bad, they are aborted if it becomes known about it , and well, that is, it becomes impossible to carry it out , so i think that this time ukraine

extended a helping hand to our neighbor and uh russian and russian influence and russian the russian empire will not spread not only on the territory of ukraine, but also on the territory of the republic of moldova. well , this russian empire should not exist in general . this is a very good service, volodymyr , look, we are spinning like this. ukraine, moldova, let's go to romania . they say at least one missile. well, maybe even about two, it crossed the border with moldova, flew over the territory of moldova, and in moldova it was confirmed and even flew over the territory of romania. and here i was looking at maps of satellites . well, not satellites, just maps, researchers in public access really confirm that

that they had just flown into the territory of romania and were supposed to fly there. perhaps they had already flown over the chernivtsi region in order to continue flying to western ukraine in romania immediately to the ministry of foreign affairs this country objected, they said that no, no, russian missiles did not fly, our fighter jets as soon as they received the message took off into the air, followed these missiles , but the missiles were ready to shoot them down, but the missiles did not fly into the territory of moldova. i am afraid of romania, i have not seen these satellite images, which have already seen the satellite changes, i simply did not see it, but if you look at the map, the target is, well, missiles from the black sea, the calibers are launched by the russians

regularly. first, they went over the channel of the dniester between transnistria and the rest of the republic of moldova. then they began to cut the corner more and more to the left, and if you look at the map, then if their goal was, for example, the novodnistrovskaya hpp, a very important hydroelectric plant that is very important in regulating uh, well, electricity in the voltage of the ukrainian energy system. well, in principle , the shortest way is through that piece of romania, as they show us in the pictures, that is, i think that it is very, very plausible, very it is likely that this could be the decision of even just the operator of this, the one who launched this missile, to lay the shortest one. well, why is romania reacting like that? well, they said: we didn’t see it, but they didn’t record it, did they have a chance to record it? well, i think, what do i think ? what happened, but when

the fighter jets will take off, and the rocket will leave that small piece of romanian airspace, it's literally there for a few seconds, it could be minutes, well, a minute , at most, at such a speed, and of course that to react to shoot down this air target, the romanian e-e armed forces had no possibility, technically there was no possibility, they simply do not have time to react to it, although if they knew this route and watched it from the moment of launch, then they could have prepared for it, but obviously not they planned that it would pass through their territory , well, politically , they decided to pretend that the problem did not exist, but it did not fly, so we called it

well, it looks a little strange. those are the resources that i read they say that the russians decided to launch a missile through this small piece of romania. it is precisely because they put on the map the points where russian missiles were shot down in particular in the odesa region on previous occasions, and in this way they simply wanted to bypass this piece of the odesa region and because let moldova go and let romania go, yes, they have been flying through moldova for a long, long time, precisely because moldova does not have the capabilities and means to shoot them down, they simply do not have such a weapon. romania has such a weapon . volodymyr 15 seconds more than that in romania american patriots stand but in that place and it is quite expensive it was clear mr. volodymyr thank you very much for participating in today's program thank you for your professional answers to my questions it was volodymyr gorbach political analyst of the european institute of euro-atlantic cooperation well, what should i

finish slowly the program is not even slow, but even quick to drink the results of how you vote, we asked you at the beginning of the program three questions on youtube one question three answers when in 39% believe that ukraine will receive airplanes soon. 49% think it will take some time. your option is 11%, your option will be visible only after the program ends, it will be posted on youtube well, 588 people voted . thank you all very much for joining us, and on the main channel, we now have 1,590 people watching us on the main channel of our program thank you very much to all those who watched the program on youtube. thank you to all those who watched on the air where we were not excluded from the air. thank you . well, unfortunately, i have to finish today