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broadcast continues, it will be continued my colleague serhiy rudenko and his verdict program i congratulate serhiy i continue yura literally in a few seconds we start the verdict glory to ukraine this is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today , february 13, 355 days of heroic sports of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers for in the past day, our aviation made eight strikes on the concentration market of the occupiers, as well as three strikes on the positions of anti-aircraft missile complexes . in addition, our rockets and gunners hit 10 areas of concentration of manpower and the position of air defense and three ammunition depots of the enemy. rammstein, this will be the ninth meeting of 50 world defense ministers who support ukraine in the fight against

russia, where the issue of providing heavy weapons and aircraft to ukraine will be decided meanwhile, the russian army continues to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of february 13, russia has already lost 138,340 people in the last day alone , the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 560 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 3,283 tanks and 6,492 armored personnel carriers in ukraine machines 2,290 artillery systems 465 rocket systems of salvo fire 234 means of anti-air defense 296 aircraft 286 helicopters 5,150 units of motor vehicles 18 ships boats 857 cruise missiles - 2007 drones 270 units of special

techniques, about the situation that is developing for us in the eastern and southern fronts, about the infernal ugledar, about expendable troops for putin, and also about what to expect from the predicted attack of the russian federation on ukraine and from rammstein - 9 we will talk about all this in the next hour, i want to introduce today's our the guest is a colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine roman kostenko, mr. colonel , good day, good health to you, and thank you for joining our broadcast. good day, mr. serhiy, let's start with the political statement of the president of poland, because dudy, who stated that if the west delays weapons, then russia has a chance to defeat ukraine, in an interview with the le figaro publication, when asked whether the russians can still win the war, he admitted that it is possible if ukraine doesn't get help it's very urgent they don't have

modern military infrastructure but they have people duda said if we don't get military equipment to ukraine in the coming weeks putin can win he can win and we we don't know where he will stop, said the president of poland, colonel, how do you assess duda's statement and whether these two or three weeks are actually critical in the delivery of military weapons, particularly heavy ones, to ukraine from the west? first of all, yes, with regard to helping our diplomats to inform the world of our partners, who often bureaucratize the processes of transferring weapons in order to come to their senses, and really transfer them sooner, because everyone understands the consequences, in particular, poland historically understands what can happen if russia is close

to and borders and that's why they understand that the security of poland and the security of european society now depends on and is decided on the battlefield with ukraine, because of ukraine, that 's why he says so that he doesn't delay, they didn't delay, but handed over the equipment to us, and we 're saying now he in this context, as i have already said many times and i will say it again, russia is a country with enough resources if we can just give approximate numbers that now we are talking about 300 tanks, about 500 things, about 600 that our partners have there of various types to send us there about which systems of volley fire, uh, it all goes to the hundreds, if we are talking about the russian federation, now, roughly according to open data, data of our and intelligence , there are more than 340 uh, regular troops, thousands of regular troops of the russian federation, that is what we are saying on the territory of ukraine we are talking about razvardiya about those wagners , er, somewhere around 2,000 er tanks of the russian

federation, er, i can roughly say that ours are also like that somewhere, i won’t say the exact figure , but at the moment there are 800-900 to a thousand of us we have tanks, er, russia has about 800 missile systems, a fire station, and we remember that we are talking about 10-20-30 khimarists, which our partners provide us, and they also have thousands of artillery er, artillery weapons right there or self-propelled or somewhere. they have four thousand different types of armored vehicles. i’m not talking about automobile technology. what we see is that russia is quite resourceful and no independent country in the world would be able to resist it. well, except for the united states, only blocs can. to oppose it, he is right that the integrity of ukraine and our effective resistance depends on the weapons where we will fight, this does not mean that we do not have equipment

, we raised our hands and went to give up our dreams, but we must understand that this is a war that has shifted to the war of resources of the economy, which must now be on the rails and manufacture, and we see the russians are now trying to remake their economy, and they have resources, despite the fact that sanctions are working, but uh, they affect modern weapons more. and everything they can produce, so uh, returning to your question about the really delaying of europe and our partners in providing weapons, i will not say that it will lead to the victory of russia, but it can lead to greater losses and threats of their seizure of territory there, and which can be prevented precisely by the supply of weapons last week president zelensky made a big european tour london paris brussels meetings with the leadership of great britain with the government of great britain with the president of france with

the federal chancellor of germany with the leadership of the european parliament and leaders european countries today became aware that the data is going to be transferred to ukraine, or has already transferred all its self -propelled howitzers to ukraine ? caesar, uh, talked about airplanes. big discussions about how and when ukraine should receive this equipment, you as a people's deputy have the feeling that there is this big anti-tin coalition in the world yesterday , i am asking about this because when it appears very there are many different messages and different statements about what is happening in ukraine in the world media, so there is always a question whether

everyone understands that putin's russia needs to be put an end to, that such a country is in a thick form with those threats that are not only for ukraine and for the whole world, ukraine simply should not exist. i think that it is sometimes not completely open. i think that everyone understands somewhere there at the level of their political internal activities, at the level of the blocs of the same nato, they understand that such a russia is a threat to this civilized world, but at the same time, i think they are still a little afraid of the russian federation . we hear statements about uh, don't escalate, don't beat the beggars, we will give you weapons only on the condition that you don't beat the russian federation. of ukraine or to create conditions for us to protect us from the russian federation, but

there are no statements that the russians should exist when we understand that the west is ready for this, there will be no restrictions just weapons for that, not just for us to go to the border, but in order to inflict a real defeat on russia, that's why i think there is a coalition, but it 's not enough. by the federation is it just the victory of ukraine and the entry to our borders in 1991, or the task or the destruction of the entire russian army, but this question must be answered by the west or simply , for example, forcing putin to leave ukraine, and that closes all the questions and at the same time scattered. there is no place to go. and here we have to understand for ourselves once again about radically, well, for ourselves, what should be a victory for them, and i think that the westerners have fully understood now that we will get what we see is enough

for us to hold the defense and sometimes the enemy advances in some directions, still, you think it is necessary to approach this more decisively and i will say that sometimes the enemy advances us so that we understand my pessimism in it, and mine and those that i see are due to the fact that we are a bad army or bad we are already fighting proved to the whole world that we are one of the best armies and can fight with a larger and more resourceful army, and because the enemy in particular is resourceful and has more power and resources and he is pushing us somewhere in some directions. therefore, we need help in order to protect our sovereignty and once again i say the sovereignty of other european countries oleksiy reznikov, the minister of defense of ukraine today went to a meeting at rammstein and wrote that the pace is extremely high for the ninth time i lead a joint team of representatives

of the ministry of defense, intelligence of the general staff and others of diplomats, the main agenda items of the agenda of the defense of the ukrainian sky, including through the involvement of an aviation platform, the development of a tank coalition, the formation of a reserve of strength in terms of ammunition, training programs for our soldiers, stability , logistics, maintenance, repair, practically, the implementation of the military schengen e when we talk about this meeting eh in rammstein ii then we cannot help but remember that literally a week ago, the leader of the parliamentary faction, the servant of the people, davyd arkhamia, announced that the minister of defense reznikov will be changed to the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense wing of budanov and that these personnel rotations will take place, but we say that we cannot do this in front of the new ramstein now or on the agenda of the change of the minister of defense of ukraine and in this context i will immediately ask

what is your attitude to that that the current legislation can be changed in order for general bohdanov to assume the post of civilian minister of defense, and for this the relevant bills are being prepared for us, first of all, i think that the statement to the defendant is very strong is incorrect and hit our er, let's say our positions at the international level, because er, it is necessary to either do er and immediately and not suspend the minister in fact, well, after these statements, now the minister of defense went er to ramstein to negotiate with our international partners about very serious things that can help us take the initiative in the war - this is the main thing, russia had it, then we intercepted it for a while, now russia intercepted them again, so we need to speak openly, let's say not to lie to ourselves, and our main task is can be done

only at the expense of additional reserves and at the expense of modern weapons, because once again i am saying the numbers that i said about russia being more resourceful. and how much equipment, how much they have , unfortunately, no one is giving us yet, and it turns out that our minister will now communicate with partners, and they he will be looked at as a minister who can be removed tomorrow. and is it even possible to agree on anything with him, and these are the statements of our politicians who, let 's say, hanged the minister of defense. i think that this is wrong. it will not be removed. this is solely the decision of the president and how will he make a decision. well, in our country, according to the constitution, the president submits, and two dismissals are a decision of the parliament. well, the parliament, of course, will collect 226 at the expense of the people's servants. i don't know these psg platforms if there is a decision. of the president. i think it won't make itself wait long if there is a decision and chase different when it will be filmed, especially now there are talks about what

will or will not be filmed there, so only rumors are circulating and no one is talking about it, as far as i am concerned point of view i think i have my opinion. i have already said that, first of all, it is not possible to make a person without surnames , make a separate law, we have european standards, there are many examples of why in democratic countries it is civil the minister of defense because a civilian should be engaged in diplomacy, as mr. reznikov does, a civilian should acquire weapons. he should speak on an equal footing with his diplomats, and diplomats are not always good with the military, let's say they find a common language. not

chat to change the minister of defense and it is necessary to go further, it is necessary for the legislation, there is no need to change at all , i will say that in the committee on security issues , this issue is not discussed. once again, my position is needed so that if we are going to change the minister, it should be a civilian person , so that with one hand we show the legislation that we are changing in the direction of european integration, and with the other we do the military sphere as in the russian federation there is no such thing, and we have to ask whether it is necessary or not. i think that it is not necessary. it is now a big challenge, various coffees are working effectively at the international level. and i think that we should follow this path, that is, the military should be engaged in military affairs, and politicians should be engaged in political diplomacy. affairs and lead the country to victory together here here mr. colonel, it is obviously logical to ask

the question whether oleksiy reznikov should be responsible for the corruption of which his deputies are accused and regarding procurement of food products for the armed forces of ukraine, i.e. is he responsible for this or not? if he is involved in this, then why should he remain in this position or move to the position of vice prime minister for strategic industry? they wanted to move him there if he he is not guilty, well, he should explain that all this happened outside the knowledge of the minister of defense , eh, anyway, the answer to this question must be given, at least this is correct, you say that if a person is guilty and there really was corruption proved by law enforcement agencies, if a person was informed and aware of the topic, then of course he should not occupy the position of the minister of defense, so far

, we were on the committee when we considered such data. there is evidence of corruption that, for example, he cooperated or in general, this corruption took place, that is why there is a pre-trial investigation , if it shows that there was corruption, of course the minister must bear political responsibility and this needs to be understood, but it is also clear then there must be political responsibility, i think it has already come , political responsibility, and there can be criminal responsibility here as well. another question is that you correctly said that the authorities even there said that what they are filming there is different when they said that we are removing him for corruption because he is ineffective they said that way, in particular, panora hami, if we transfer it to another direction in instratekhprom because this is a very important direction for the period of the war and it

needs to be strengthened, then it turns out that we remove the corrupt inefficient well, no proven, i say in quotes and this is what will happen to that inefficient minister and we put him to strengthen another very important direction , what is the ministry of strategic industries, this is everything that our soldiers are fighting for now at the front, what we have to produce, what we have to plan to form this policy and put it there well, it is illogical, the truth here is either there is a corrupt official who is fired and he bears political responsibility or the person continues to work and helps the country and so far i have not removed it , i see that there is special evidence that there he is involved in corruption, i didn’t see them, i don’t like to be unspoken because such a principle is now possible without protecting anyone with the help of the mass media or some russian throw-ins into the future. here it is very important to understand if the culprit is of course the responsibility, if not we have to

work and now let's say it is the outskirts of the large-scale offensive of the russian federation , we have to do everything so that you are the offensive because still once i say the initiative so far in many directions on the side if it was not wanted to say it on the side of the russian federation , according to british intelligence data, in the last two weeks, russia probably suffered the largest losses since the beginning of the large-scale russian offensive against ukraine. this is stated in the intelligence review of the british ministry of defense for 12 in february, british tyrants point to the daily summaries of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine regarding losses. among the russian military, the british say that they cannot verify the data of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, but the trends illustrate the fact that russia is losing more than a thousand people per day in recent days, this much was recorded in the general headquarters of the armed forces of ukraine on the part of the russian federation, a politician

writes that 150 of the elite fifth guards brigade, which is based in the pacific ocean, could have died in everything was put there, how far is all this information true, and is it really true that russia has lost the most in the last two weeks during the entire period of these hostilities, and you know such a difficult question for that in order to explain it correctly, we have to understand that at the beginning the russians did not lose due to the fact that they marched in large columns from february 24, they lost control there , and they planned it that way, they expected that they would simply enter some territory , establish themselves and they will continue to fix the administration there, which is now the question is different. now, i think that when the front

stood up, it was more or less mobile, then they pushed somewhere, but due to their mass, i do not think that these are the numbers that we are told experts think they are a little overestimated by them, but really russia is losing a lot now, and i think it appeared after their defeat at the ugledar, i don't think that the whole brigade went down there , judging by the amount of equipment, it's uh, 30 tanks if they say that it’s about a tank battalion there, and the brigade has one brigade, maybe up to 3-4 thousand personnel there, if it was completely killed. well, it left the camp , at least 50% must have died there, so they suffered losses, and i think that the remnants of the front used to be over there in many directions there, two tanks were hit, three or five of them were missed. and due to the fact that they broke up

a large column under the coal mine, which had not happened for a long time, we understand that because the enemy did not use practical equipment, and in particular, in the direction of donetsk, they kept this equipment and used only personal composition. i think due to this, such and such a number was lost, and they say that at the time of the deadline, these are the biggest losses of the enemy . i think it is due to this battle of defense of the coal mine. and the frequency has risen so much. and please tell me, colonel. and what what happened under the ugledar is a typical russian thank you. why did it happen because 31 of the equipment. we just saw this video on the screen as ukrainian fighters shot this brigade of armored vehicles. and what happened?

i think that there are many factors, first of all, i think that this is a complex well-worked intelligence , the guys who were on observation posts did a good job, who were not able to carry out early detection of the enemy or intelligence that with the help of space or our air reconnaissance, they were able to detect the advance of the enemy in time, they pulled up the reserves in time for a whole and pulled up the artillery, the work of the artillerymen was good. well, the enemy underestimated us and their enemy, and that's why the planning of the operation is a plus. i think that it was like that they stormed volodar and they thought that before this it was mainly personnel and there and a small amount of equipment, they thought that now with this amount of equipment they would be able to scare us and simply press us down, but i think that was the reason for the successful organization of u

the enemy had little room for maneuver, they saw that they were marching in a column due to the fact that they could not walk across the field, firstly, the weather was bad , and secondly, we, uh, in other words, this field was mined, they did not have operational space and all these factors that they could not plan er could not plan prod plus i think that they had a specific task there until some year er capture capture ugledar so that it was possible to advance from the south and i think that all these factors led to their er defeat the main thing here of course disregarding our strength resources in the planning of operations , the honorary professor of military studies at the king's college london, lawrence friedman, pointed out that russia has developed the tactic of using its soldiers as a cheap resource. well, it does not say that this is a tactic of expendable troops. when they throw a large amount of manpower, then after this manpower also where is the manpower, this tactic involves

the movement of the occupiers against the ukrainian lines under the influence of drugs and machine guns with little chance of survival, says professor friedman, the tactic values ​​human lives allows the russians to reveal the positions of the ukrainian military at the same time. he says that this tactic may prove to be ineffective in the long term, and in the long term you already said at the beginning of our program that russia is a large resource country, both from the point of view of technology and from the point of view of people, after all, there are 140 million people who are there they can put 25 or 30 million under arms. what do you think? well, this tactic of expendable troops is what professor friedman calls it the conscientious use of the people of these russian people, i do not say russian people.

people in this war, or after all, let's go back to the commanders and the command of the armed forces of the russian federation . i don't think that the professor was right when he said that they developed a new tactic. i think that this is a tactic and he knows it well in russia russia has always been at war, we can remember there even in the time of the napoleonic turkish wars, the first world war, the second world war, and we remember how they always used people, and not counting them, i think that they switched simply for tactics that were understandable to them. preservation of military equipment , for which they can be asked questions in the war, they can directly add questions to senior commanders. how did you lose certain pieces of equipment in the third place, because russia mainly counts the equipment of people, it does not count, so they began to use things for which they will not be asked, well, man she died or died, but the equipment was burned, it is already necessary

to answer it, it is necessary to write it off, it is necessary , then, uh, let's say that the combat capabilities of your unit are decreasing, and the people who are still mobilized have come to them, no one asks them that's why they switched to it, firstly , secondly , of course, without using this technique, they switched to the destruction of their personnel. do you have any chances of success in the short term? prisoners who have no choice and the wagnerites and regular units including and including the airborne troops sometimes we are there watching how they act yes quite defiantly and quite eh let's say boldly eh but it all leads to the same to the great sacrifices and in a modern war without modern equipment, without technical support, in the long run you will not succeed because it is all trained

personnel that is lost, and even then to control the equipment or continue to make such attacks, you will spend time at least on training and this will reduce your fighting capacity and you will not be able to. and in our time , our troops are preparing, our troops are defending themselves in defense, we always know. well, how is it possible in the military? it's easier than attacking and it's safer, that's why the losses in the defense are always smaller than the losses in the offensive and they are now taking such active actions in the offensive and due to this they are losing. i think that in the future of course they will be told that. they said that they have a lot of people and they will be able to afford to do what for a long time the analysts of the institute for the study of war in the united states of america came to the conclusion that russia was unable to prepare the mobilized properly

, in particular those who are fighting near bakhmut. in general, in donbas they talk about the fact that they are throwing forces and reserves that are not quite ready for military operations, and where is this border where the ukrainian army must take into account the fact that most of these people are not sufficiently prepared on the one hand and on the other hand not to lose after all a real assessment of the situation when these troops and the number of combatants are much larger and they can cause really big losses in the ukrainian army well, when we talk about a large number of mobilized and we talk about the ukrainian army er, we must not forget that