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, continue with the verdict, keep it up. glory to ukraine, this is program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today, february 13, 355 days of heroic sports of the ukrainian people , our aircraft struck 8 strikes against the russian occupiers in the past day the concentration market of the occupiers, as well as three strikes on the positions of anti-aircraft missile systems. in addition, our missile and gunners hit 10 areas of concentration of manpower and the position of air defense and three ammunition depots of the enemy. meanwhile , a meeting in the rammstein format will take place tomorrow, this will already be the ninth meeting fifty defense ministers of the world who support ukraine in the fight against russia, and it is there that the issue of providing heavy weapons and aircraft to ukraine will be decided, meanwhile, the russian

army continues to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of february 13, russia has already lost 138,340 people in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 560 orks since the beginning of the great war , the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,283 tanks , 6,492 armored fighting vehicles, 2,290 artillery systems, 465 rocket launcher systems, 234 means against air defense 296 airplanes 286 helicopters 51,150 units of automotive equipment 18 ships boats 857 cruise missiles - 2007 drones 270 units of special equipment about the situation that we face in the eastern and southern on the fronts about the infernal ugledar about expendable troops for putin and also about what to expect from the predicted attack of the russian

federation on ukraine and from rammstein - 9 we will talk about all this for the next hour, i want to introduce today's guest - he is a colonel of the security service of ukraine, a people's deputy of ukraine roman kostenko mr. colonel good day good health to you and thank you for joining our broadcast good day mr. serhiy we provide let's start with the political statement of the president of poland because dudy who stated that if the west delays weapons, then russia has a chance to defeat ukraine in an interview with the le figaro publication, when asked whether the russians can still win the war, he admitted that it is possible if ukraine does not receive help. it is very urgent that they do not have a modern military infrastructure but they have people, said duda, if we do not send military equipment to ukraine in the coming weeks , putin can win, he can win, and we

do not know where he will stop, said the president of poland, colonel, what do you think of taku duda's statement and whether these two or three weeks are actually critical in the delivery of military weapons , particularly heavy ones, to ukraine from the west. they are bureaucratizing the processes of transferring weapons in order to come to their senses and actually transfer them rather because everyone understands the consequences and in particular poland historically understands what can happen if russia is close to its borders and therefore they understand that the security of poland and the security of european society now depends on and is decided on the battlefield with ukraine, that is why he is from ukraine, that is why he speaks so that

he does not delay, they did not delay, but they handed over the equipment to us, and we are now talking about the fact that in this context, what russia has already said many times and will do again i say it is a fairly resourceful country, if we can just give approximate numbers that now we are talking about 300 tanks , bmps or 600 that have different types there , our partners should send us what kind of salvo fire systems there, it’s all going to hundreds if we are talking about the russian federation now, then approximately according to open data and data of our intelligence , there are more than 340 regular troops of the russian federation, thousands of regular troops of the russian federation, in the territory of ukraine, we are talking about the russian guard, we are talking about those wagners, somewhere around 2,000 tanks of the russian federation, i can roughly say that ours are also there, i won’t say exactly, the figure at the moment is 800-900 to a thousand, we have

tanks, and russia has about 800 missile systems station by fire and we remember that we are talking about there 10 20 30 khimarians who are provided to us by our partners and they also have thousands of artillery weapons right there or self-propelled or towed and for some reason there are no 4 000 different types of armored vehicles, i’m not talking about automotive technology, what we see is that russia is quite resourceful and no independent country in the world would be able to resist it, well, except for the united states, only blocks can resist it, so he is right that -e integrity of ukraine and our e-e effective resistance depends on weapons. yes, we will fight, this does not mean that we do not have equipment , we raised our hands and went to give up our dreams, but we must understand that this is a war that has turned into a war of economic resources, which now has to get

on the rails and manufacture, and we see the russians are trying now to rework their economy and they have resources, despite the fact that sanctions work, but uh, they have more influence on modern weapons. such as you manufacture rockets, and such ordinary shells . and they can manufacture everything, so uh, coming back to the question, really europe and our partners by providing weapons, i will not say that it will lead to russia's victory, but it can lead to greater losses and threats of their seizure of territory there, and what can be prevented is the supply of weapons. with the government of great britain with the president of france with the federal chancellor of germany with the leadership of the european parliament and the leaders of european countries today it became known

that the data is going to be transferred to ukraine or has already handed over to ukraine all its self-propelled howitzers, caesar e-e, zelensky talked about airplanes with a solution, the british prime minister with the president of france, with olaf scholz, well, in a word, there was a very fruitful conversation and a great discussion about how and when ukraine should receive this equipment in you, as a people's deputy, have the feeling that there is this big anti-putin coalition in the world , i ask about this every time because when there are a lot of different messages and different statements about what is happening in ukraine in the world media, then always arises the question is, does everyone understand that putin's russia needs to be put to rest, that such a country is in the thick of things, with threats that are

not only for ukraine, but for the whole world. ukraine simply should not exist. i think that it is sometimes not completely open. i think everyone understands that somewhere on the level of their political internal activity at the level of the blocs of the same nato understand that such a russia is a threat to the entire civilized world, but at the same time, i think they still continue to be a little afraid of the russian federation. we hear statements about e-e don't escalate don't beat requests we will give you weapons only on the condition that you will not hit the russian federation now specifically the event is aimed at liberating the territory of ukraine or at creating conditions for us to protect e-e from the russian federation but there is nothing a statement that russia should not exist, when we understand that the west is ready for this, there will be no restrictions , weapons will simply be given, not just so that we go to the border, but

in order to inflict a real defeat on russia er, i think there is a coalition, but it is not enough . i have decided decisively and confidently for myself and what is a victory over the russian federation? it is simply er, the victory of ukraine and the exit to our borders in 1991, or the task or the destruction of the entire russian army this is the question that the west must answer, or simply, for example, forcing putin to leave ukraine, and that closes all issues, and at the same time, russia will not go anywhere. i think that the west has not fully understood now that we will get what we see is enough for us to hold the defense and sometimes the enemy advances in some directions , nevertheless, i think that it is necessary to approach this more decisively and i will say that sometimes the enemy

is us moves so that we understand my pessimism in her, and mine and those that i see, it is because we are a bad army or we fight badly, we have already proved to the whole world that we are one of the best armies and can fight with a larger and more resourceful army, and because in particular the enemy is resourceful and has more power and resources and he is pushing us somewhere in some directions. that is why we need help in order to protect our sovereignty and once again i say the sovereignty of other european countries oleksiy reznikov, the minister of defense of ukraine today went to a meeting in rammstein and wrote about the fact that the pace is extremely high for the ninth time leads a joint team of representatives of the ministry of defense, intelligence of the general staff and other diplomats, the main issues of the agenda of the defense of the ukrainian sky

, including through the involvement of an aviation platform the development of a tank coalition, the formation of an ammunition reserve, training programs for our soldiers, stability, logistics, maintenance, repair, practically , the implementation of the military schengen, when we talk about this meeting in rammstein ii, we cannot help but remember that literally a week ago, the leader of the parliamentary faction, the servant of the people, david arkhamia announced that the minister of defense reznikov will be replaced by the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense , kryla budanov, and that these personnel changes will take place rotation, but they say we cannot do it in front of the new ramstein now or on the agenda of the change of the minister of defense of ukraine and in this context i will immediately ask what is your attitude to the fact that the current legislation can be changed in order for general bohdanov to take the post of civilian minister of defense and

corresponding bills are being prepared for this purpose. well, first of all, i believe that the statement to the defendant is very wrong and has hit on our e-e on our positions at the international level because it is necessary to do uh, and don’t suspend the minister right away, well, after these statements, now the minister of defense went to uh, he went to ramstein to negotiate with our international partners about very serious things that can help us take the initiative in the war - this is the main thing, russia had it, then we it was intercepted for a while, and now russia intercepted them again, so we must speak openly, not to be told, not to lie to ourselves , and our main task, this can be done only at the expense of additional reserves and at the expense of modern weapons, because once again

i am saying the numbers that i said about russia being more resourceful. and unfortunately, no one has given us how much equipment, how much they have, and it turns out that our minister will now communicate with partners, and they will look at him as a minister who can be removed tomorrow. and if at all it is possible to agree with him on something, and these are the statements of our politicians who , let's say, were hanged like this. the minister of defense. i think that this is wrong, whether it will be removed or not. this is solely the decision of the president and how he will make a decision. the country according to the constitution, the president submits, and two dismissals are a decision of the parliament, well, the parliament, of course, will collect 226 at the expense of the people's servants there, i don't know the psg platform, if there is a decision of the president, i think it will not make itself wait long if there is a decision and sort out the e- it is different when they will be filmed, especially now there are talks about what will or will not be filmed there, so only rumors are circulating and no one is talking about it

, as far as my point of view is concerned. you can now e-e for a person there to do without surnames er pendent make a separate law we have european standards there are many examples why in democratic countries it is a civilian minister of defense because a civilian should be engaged in diplomacy as mr. reznikov does , a civilian should acquire weapons he should speak on an equal footing with his diplomats and diplomats are not very good, they always find a common language with the military, let's say, and here's the question: what is it now, from my point of view, it's not a matter of changing the minister of defense, but we need to go further, we need legislation at all it is necessary to change, i will say that in the committee on security issues, this issue is not discussed by you. maybe somewhere there in the offices among themselves, but so that

officially at the committee meeting, this issue was not discussed. therefore, once again , my position is needed and that if we are going to change the minister that it should be a civilian, that we show the legislation with one hand that we are changing in the direction of european integration, and with the other we do it in the military sphere, as in the russian federation there is no such thing, and we are asked whether it is necessary or not it is necessary. i think that it is not necessary. there are many different challenges . it works efficiently at the international level. and i think that we should go along this path, that is, the military should be engaged in military affairs. and the politicians should be engaged in diplomacy and political affairs and lead the country to victory together. mr. colonel, it is obviously logical to ask the question whether oleksiy reznikov should be responsible for the corruption that his deputies accuse him of and regarding

the procurement of food for the armed forces forces of ukraine, i.e. is he responsible for this or not? if he is involved in this, then why should he remain in this position or move to the position of vice prime minister for strategic industry? they wanted to move him there. if he is not guilty, then he is. i should explain that all this was happening outside the knowledge of the minister of defense, uh, anyway, the answer to this question must be given, at least this is a key question , you are right, if a person is guilty of corruption , there really was and it was proven by law enforcement bodies, if a person was aware and aware of the topic, then of course he should not occupy the position of the minister of defense, so far we were on the committee when we considered such data, not the security service, not uh, we did not give such

information, which is precisely about issues of corruption there is evidence that, for example, he either cooperated or in general this corruption took place, that is why there is a pre-trial investigation , if it shows that there was corruption, of course the minister must bear political responsibility and this needs to be understood, but it is clear that there must be political responsibility, i think it has already come , political responsibility, and there can be criminal responsibility here as well. another question is that you correctly said that the government even there said that different people are being filmed there. they said that we are removing him for corruption because he is not effective. and they said thus, in particular, panorahmia that we transfer it to another direction in the microtech industry, because this is a very important direction for the period of the war and it must be strengthened, then it turns out that we remove the corrupt and inefficient well, no proven, i say in quotes, and this is how it comes out of that inefficient minister and we put him to

strengthen another very important direction , what is the ministry of strategic industries, this is everything that our soldiers are fighting for now at the front and what we have to produce, what we have to plan to form this policy and put it there well, it is not logical, the truth here is that either there is a corrupt person who is fired and he bears political responsibility or the person continues to work and helps the country and so far i have not removed it, i see that there is special evidence that there he is involved in corruption, i didn't see it, i don't like to be blunt because this is the principle. now, without protecting anyone, you can use mass media or some russian language. kyiv for perspective. i'm not saying that there was a russian film here . really understand if guilty, of course responsibility, if not

, we have to work. the initiative is still in many directions on the side if it wasn't for us to say on the side of the russian federation , according to british intelligence data, over the past two weeks, russia has probably suffered the greatest losses since the beginning of russia's large-scale offensive against ukraine. scouts point to the daily summaries of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine regarding losses. among the russian military, the british say that they cannot verify the data of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, but the trends illustrate about the fact that russia is losing more than a thousand people per day in recent days, so much was recorded in the general headquarters of the armed forces of ukraine on the part of the russian federation

, a politician writes about the fact that the 155th elite guards brigade, which is based in the pacific ocean, could have died in how far is all this information true and is it true that russia has lost the most in the last two weeks during the entire period of these hostilities , you know such a difficult question in order to get it right to explain, we need to understand that at the beginning the russians did not lose because they were marching in large columns from february 24 , they lost control there and they planned it that way , they expected that they would simply enter some territory, establish themselves and continue to establish the administration there, which is now the question is different. now, i think that when the front stood up, it was more or less mobile, then they pushed somewhere, but due to their mass, i don’t think that these are

the numbers that the experts tell us. they they think they are a little overestimated, but really russia is losing a lot now, and i think it appeared after their defeat under ugledar, i don't think the whole brigade went down there, judging by the amount of equipment, it's uh, 30 tanks, if they say so, it's there, it's approximately a tank battalion and the brigade has one brigade has somewhere there maybe up to 3-4 thousand personnel, uh, if it was completely killed, well , it left the composition, at least 50% must have died there, so they suffered losses, and i think that under the stability of the fronts, there used to be over on in many directions, two tanks were hit, three or five of them were missed. and due to the fact that they broke up a large column under a coal mine, which has not happened for a long time, we understand that because the enemy did not use practical equipment, and in particular, in the direction of donetsk, they

used this technique sparingly only the personnel. i think due to this , such and such a number was lost, and they say that at the time of the deadline, these are the biggest losses of the enemy. i think it is due to this battle of the defense of the coal mine. and the frequency increased so much. tell me, please, mr. colonel. and what happened under the ugledar is, well, such a typical russian thank you, or well, why did it happen, because 31 of the equipment we just saw this video on the screen, how ukrainian fighters shot this brigade of armored vehicles, and what was happening. why did this happen, that is, their russian the command is not very smart, maybe ours is just smarter , but i think there are many factors, first of all, i think that it is comprehensively well done by intelligence, well done by the guys who were on observation

posts who were not able to carry out the early detection of the enemy or reconnaissance, which, with the help of space or our aerial reconnaissance, were able to detect the advance of the enemy, pulled up the reserves in time, aimed and pulled up the artillery, the work of the artillerymen was good. well, the enemy underestimated us and their enemy, and that’s why the planning of the operation is a plus. i think that it was like this, they stormed volodar for a long time and thought that before this it was mainly personnel and there was a small amount of equipment, they thought that now with such a number of equipment, they would be able to to frighten and simply squeeze us, but i think that was the reason why it was successfully organized. the enemy had little room for maneuver, we saw that they were marching in a column because they could not walk across the field , firstly, the weather was bad, and secondly, we say that this

the field was mined, they did not have operational space and all these factors that they could not plan and could not plan the project plus i think that they had a specific task there by a year or so to capture capture ugledar so that it was possible to advance from the south and i i think that these are all the factors that led to their defeat are the main ones - this is certainly not taking into account our forces and means when planning operations, honorary professor of military studies at the king's college london lawrence friedman pointed out that russia has developed tactics of using its soldiers as a cheap resource does not mean that this is a tactic of expendable troops when they throw a large amount of manpower, then behind this manpower and where the manpower lives, this tactic involves the movement of the occupiers against the ukrainian lines under the influence of drugs and machine guns

with little chance to survive, says professor friedman, the value of human lives tactic allows the russians to reveal the positions of the ukrainian military at the same time. he says that this tactic may prove to be ineffective in the long run, and in the long run, you already said at the beginning of our program that russia is a country with great resources, both from the point of view of technology and from the point of view of in the eyes of the people, there are still 140 million people, of which 25 or 30 million are there, they can put under arms, what do you think, well, this tactic of expendable troops is what professor friedman calls it , well, the conscientious use of these people russian people, i don't say people, russian people in this war , but after all, once again we return to the commanders and to the command of the armed forces of the russian federation. i don't think that the professor spilled because he said that

they developed a new tactic. i think that this is a tactic and he this is well known in russia, russia has always been at war , we can remember there even during the napoleonic turkish wars, the first world war , the second world war, and we remember how they always used people, and not counting them, i think that they simply passed for a clear tactic is the preservation of military equipment , for which they can be asked questions during the war, they can directly add questions to the senior commanders. how did you, in the third place, lose one or another piece of equipment, because russia mainly counts the equipment of people, not that is why they began to use it for that they won't be asked, well, a person died or a drink, but the equipment was burned, it is necessary to answer before that, and it is necessary to write it off, and then, let's say, the combat capabilities of your unit and people

mobilized people came to them, no one asks why they went through it firstly, secondly, of course, without using this technique, they went to the eyes, er, to destroy their personnel. do you have any chances of success in the short term? i agree, yes, they were able to push something there at the expense of there are motivated fighters, in particular those previously imprisoned, who have no choice, and wagner soldiers and regular units, including and including airborne troops, sometimes we are there to see how they act, yes, quite defiantly and quite uh let's say boldly, but it all leads to great sacrifices, and in a modern war without modern equipment, without technical support , you will not succeed in the long run, because it is all trained personnel that is lost, and even to later control the equipment or continue to carry out such attacks, you will spend time at least on training

and this will reduce your combat capability and you will not be able and at this time our troops are preparing our troops are defending themselves in defense we always know well how is it possible in the military someone will say no i uh knowing from myself that it is always easier to be on the defensive than to attack and it is safer, that is why the losses in the defense are always smaller than the losses in the offensive and they are now taking such active actions in the offensive and due to this they are losing i think that in the future of course they will be told this well, let's not forget what you said that they have a lot of people and they will be able to afford to do what for a long time the analysts of the institute for the study of war in the united states of america came to the conclusion that russia could not prepare the mobilized properly in particular, those who are fighting near bakhmut. but in general, in donbas, they are talking about the fact that they are abandoning forces and reserves that are not quite ready

for military operations, etc. this is the limit where the ukrainian army must take into account the fact that most of these people are not sufficiently prepared on the one hand, and on the other on the other hand, do not lose the real assessment of the situation when these troops and the number of combatants are much more and they can cause really big losses in the ukrainian army when we are talking about a large number of mobilized and we are talking about the ukrainian army we must not forget that well, we often talk about how we have a regular army , and the russians are mobilized, and due to this we have an advantage