[000:00:00;00] pavel rusnak, believe me. if this appointment does not take place for another two weeks, taking into account the mechanism of what has been done there , nothing will change in any way. you said that representatives of the ministry of defense often came to the committee and you never heard from them what they had. there are problems with digitalization, what do they want to solve , that they need a first deputy or the deputy who will deal with diplomacy today about the appointment of pavlyuk reznikov said the following: when he is appointed, there will be even more synergy in interaction with general staff, did the ministry of defense complain about the lack of synergy with the general staff before that? well, first of all, i didn't say there were no problems . i said there were no extraordinary problems. conventionally speaking , there are problematic areas. defense has more deputies than any other minister

, and this is absolutely justified, so it was. by the way , before the large-scale invasion, this is how it is now, there are simply directions where problems arise periodically and they are acute enough. and where, relatively speaking, there are no problems in the direction of problems, but neither the european integration direction nor the integration direction, nor the digital right, according to the reports , were something that needed immediate reinforcement, that's exactly what i said. maybe i'm saying something again, i don't know well what is the first deputy in the system of the ministry of defense, this is a person who is responsible for communication with the military, and that is why the position of the first deputy is conventionally speaking, he comes from the military circle, that is, the deputy minister defense absolutely does not necessarily have to be connected with the army, rather, on the contrary, it is about this person being distant from the army , so that, relatively speaking, he does not grow roots in the system, so that there are corruption risks, the first deputy is a person who

contacts the military with the general staff of the armed forces, how does the mechanism work, the armed forces, represented by the general staff, form the need . they spoke the same language, it is desirable that the first deputy person, who is constantly the most in the system of the ministry of defense, is in contact with the military , with the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, the head of the general staff, with the head of the ground forces, etc., so that he , literally speaking, spoke the same language with them . ruslan came from a military background, he i learned that i do not appreciate the work of his ivan stepanovych, but he is already quite an old man, if i am not mistaken, he is 71, although it is not a delicate thing to say, but i think it is worth to mention this, he had problems with his health, well, in principle, even before the invasion, he talked about the fact that he was, well, let's say that

he hinted at the fact that it was desirable and that he is not burdened with such a huge number of problems metalogically, for example, pavlyuk. i think that he will cope with with this, but to talk about some additional synergy, well, it’s difficult to say, it depends on the situation, on the contacts , well, let’s say so, i ah, frankly, mr. pavlyuk. unfortunately, there was some friction with other representatives of the armed forces when he was still in the armed forces forces and such friction unfortunately well they exist, it's absolutely natural, so how fruitful will it be, will there be synergy, well, time will tell . well, regarding reznikov's statement, well, i'm sorry, if you were the minister of defense , you would have said the same words. with the general staff of the armed forces, it is clear that when you present the new deputy, the more the first one will talk about the fact that he will be extremely effective, i hope that he

will be effective to what extent, well, time will tell they said that these appointments are probable appointments , they do not in any way remove the issue of responsibility for the procurement of the ministry of defense. these are completely different stories. i mean, in relation to oleksiy reznikov, the question of his resignation is from your point of view, is it already finally closed, or after rammstein can they return to him and ask about his responsibility again and maybe again the question of his resignation will arise, the answer to your question can only be fantasized. explain why there is a problem, the depth of this problem and the complexity of this problem are known to

a limited number of people. there was corruption, i say a hint once again because it is still necessary to prove the scale and systematicity and immersion of various actors of various participants in the scheme or do we need to prove that there were problems, these problems are obvious, it is not only in the fact that how much does the tenth end cost, but in the fact that for example, in our market for the supply of food services to the armed forces, there are in fact the same companies that have signs of gaskets, and everyone knows this well . this is the main problem, not how much potatoes or eggs cost . this is not the only problem, in fact there are many more of them , it applies to both closed and open , it applies to tangible property, it applies to fuel and lubricants, especially now , and many other things that are hardly worth it

to discuss the problems live, the only question is how large-scale they are without being systemic, and is there any reason to believe that the first person in the ministry of defense is directly involved in this , that is, he may be indirectly responsible, let's say, for example, because there is not enough professional manager, for example, or it can be part of a complex mechanism that leads to problems there and even to offenses or crimes, but how different are all these different information, rumors, versions of the hypothesis are true to what extent they are deeply aware of this, i say once again a limited number of people based on mysterious information that is not given, you and i can only guess, conditionally speaking, if the problem is large-scale, deep, even more than it seems to us, well, then it probably makes sense to replace the first person if it is a problem that

can be solved if it is about the excesses of the performer and not a systematic, not large-scale story well , it is hard for me to believe it, but it is also maybe then it makes sense not to risk the reputation of the state because you understand if against the background of scandals that are considered removing the first person from the ministry as corrupt is a very bad sign for our partners, so the first story here is not very good and the second is bad, and in order for the president to dare to take this or that step , if he comes first from the interests of the state and the interests of defense, he must take into account and against based on the information he has, i don't have this information and you have it, and there are hundreds of people who write on this topic, but they don't have it either, they just make assumptions, myron's work, assumptions are difficult enough. if i don't have an objective information, you can, i will ask you again, you said that it is difficult to believe

that what is behind the problem are individual performers, do you think that this is a systemic problem? and i assume that this is how i will explain why. only in the publication in the mass media and not in personnel changes that occurred after that and certain investigative actions, suspicions and even detentions, arrests that took place. and if i read correctly what representatives of various law enforcement and special e-e structures such as the service the national security and corruption bureau of ukraine, the state bureau of investigation, there are questions about the companies that supplied catering services to the armed forces, there are questions about the contracts , there are questions about the conditions, there are questions about the people who were responsible for it, and an assumption was made about the fact that

there is a scheme in order for the scheme to exist and it is necessary that all the participants in the process are interested, that is, the supplier, the person , the company that supplies food services , the ministry of defense as a structure that provides food services to the armed forces , excuse me instead of bertie, the armed forces or at least part of the people who sit in responsible positions, because if they are not in the scheme, then it would have appeared much earlier and it would have hid itself much earlier and controlling various bodies that should have been checked and i will also remind you of several bodies that no one mentions at all, we had a lot of accusations against the ministry defense quarters, even the verkhovna rada , which, by the way, actually took away the levers of control and the time of the legal regime of the poisonous state of supply of any food, fuel and lubricants, ammunition, weapons, all this is defense

procurement, which is issued in the form of attention resolutions of the cabinet of ministers and they are approved by the prime minister of ukraine, the relevant vice prime minister and a whole bunch of heads of ministries and other bodies of central executive authorities, that is, these issues , all these problems with theoretically efficient firms, let the relevant bodies prove it, this is an assumption. but in we have reason to talk about this assumption about strange prices about strange contracts, for some reason they did not arise from the prime minister from the profile vice prime minister from the representative of the central executive authorities who put their visas before everything it was starting to work for you

. can you at least once mention shmygal in connection with this scandal? involved in this mechanism is to assume that one left-wing company and two conventional clever fraudsters were able to do this incredibly simply because it means that in each system there must be a person or several people who either get a profit from it or for some reason turn a blind eye to it that's why i say eyes that it's hard for me to believe that it's all about the performer. although it's theoretically possible , because i don't have any information that the acquired security services of ukraine definitely operate. including personnel can be made on the basis of information, the information must be studied by special bodies, this money will be received, and the president and the government make personnel conclusions on the basis of this information. i hope that

it does so. what does this mechanism work like? it's actually, well, i think i'm putting three dots here . i think we'll come back to this personnel question in particular in the same way. let me ask you about today's rammstein. it seemed to me that the ukrainian side really hoped to receive some positive signals about the planes, but there is no decision about the planes at least publicly loytostim said that i have no news for you . is it considered premature to give planes at this stage of the war or subjective political reasons ? i don't know why you decided that we read and were waiting for positive news about the planes of the minister of defense and from the statement of volodymyr zelenskyi . what do they think of us just now? and the conversation about airplanes is being conducted and will be conducted, they

have finally moved into the practical plane, but on this rammstein, even in the theory of such statements , it could not be, firstly, secondly, and our western partners, it is absolutely logical that it departs from the logic of priorities. unfortunately, they are a little late in making decisions in my opinion, because, for example, certain decisions were made earlier. today, we would have several fully equipped brigades with the latest weapons and could now not give the russians a chance to intercept a strategic initiative to they are trying to do effectively enough today we have three biggest problems: first, ammunition is a critical problem many times more critical than airplanes if in we are now being bombarded by f16s, this problem will not be solved because in this war, for now, for now , at today's stage

, aviation plays an especially important role . excuse me, well, at least months, if not years, to teach an as pilot to equip hangars from elite runways to store everything. this is a very, very long story. these are planes - this is a conversation about the perspective of today's reality. sorry for the frankness, catastrophic, this is the second issue that needs to be solved, the air defense system is long-range, there is no ammunition for them, and fast, effective training of personnel, and safe and fast e-e dispatch of the transportation of these systems here is about e-e systems that can shoot down ballistic missiles and can be on the distance is far, we don’t have such parrot systems today, they promise to give

it, it’s about petrio , where is it about sumpty? it is safe because it will be very unfortunate if she is an example, they are a halfway trip, they are expensive and very coveted, the weapons system will be destroyed by the russians somewhere, such risks exist. that is, this is the second question, the third question is the logistics of supplying heavy armored vehicles, first of all , tanks, they are different leopards, two different country modifications are constantly changing their conditions, how much they give and when they give, unfortunately , there are questions about let's say this about logistics, about tanks in different conditions, they must be combat-ready, be combat-capable, guns must to be in working order, the engines must be in working order, they must be equipped with approximately uniform equipment and weapons, because the weapons there are simpler with

the equipment and devices, there are nuances from the c3 , questions that are many times more important today than all the drugs in the world are developing, so once again i say the conversation about planes are being built, we will have planes for today , we have a more urgent issue, this is the most urgent. these are the ones that have been voiced, the list is not exhausted by this, but it is the most important, well, about ammunition. today they said that as much as possible rather, in your previous interviews , you repeatedly talked about the fact that the next phase of the offensive will be determined by the one who forms, relatively speaking, the first to form a fist and take the initiative. on the side of russia, i did not understand you correctly. and the initiative will be acquired on the side of russia, but it will be possible to talk about a strategic initiative only if the year-round initiative is when they

will impose their own half and achieve certain operational-tactical successes, and these successes were to be developed, but then it will be said that they have taken possession of a critical, now they are trying to intercept it, and they are doing it because, for objective reasons, they have the opportunity to restore the reserves language is not better than ours, they were able to create a group, unfortunately. let's be honest, today on the territory of ukraine , the russian group is more than it was a year ago in february 22nd, we can talk about the relative effectiveness of some units , they are units, and even there tactical units we can talk about a large amount of destroyed equipment, but the fact remains that they were 100% equipped with all their regiments, divisions and corps, they restored the losses they were able to carry, and their weapons are often not as

new, not as effective as they were at the beginning of the war, but they could do it now taking into account these circumstances that they were able to restore the reserve, she is trying to seize the initiative, but now the first stage of this attempt , this attempt is primarily aimed at entering the administrative borders of the 12th luhansk region for this they need to do two things to begin with they need to finally take bakhmut under their control and preferably capture it at least that is what they are focusing on today although they are receiving effective resistance from the ukrainian troops and to buy attack from the flintlock side it is desirable to bury liman then they create a threat to the slavic of the kramatorsk agglomeration from two sides well , if it is conventionally speaking, everything will work out for them, which i doubt, but they are

oriented by simultaneous strikes from the criminal side of bahmut, they can a-a connect and er surround a huge group of ukrainian armed forces located in this region. well, i also have auxiliary stories that should improve the performance of this task . it is primarily about maryanka and about ugledar with ugledar . so far so good with them maryanko it's a little better, but both there and there, our resistance is worthless, this is the first stage, the first stage of their efforts, the second. i think that, well , time will tell. i will go to the russian general staff and the ukrainian general staff. i seem to know the exams, but according to the crowd of people, i think that the next step there will still be an attempt to strike a sufficiently strong blow in the direction of zaporizhzhia, it means the right wing of gulyaipoli, first of all, due to the creation of a numerical advantage with the ship and pushing us back, well, bonuses for them . obviously, they are pushing us away from the so-called

land corridor, they are knocking off our offensive offensive they are creating, i don't think they will go very far, but for the perspective they are creating a bridgehead for a further offensive further to zaporozhye to kryvyi rih to the dnipro, but for a start this is already enough, that is, at least they themselves protect against a possible offensive of ours. that is, you do not push back the front line, the next step is one more step. which also seems to me to be read especially after the information about the creation of huge field camps along the ukrainian border. i think that they will try to strike from the side, first of all, from the belgorod, voroniv, kursk regions in the direction of kharkiv there are also two reasons for the sumy region: firstly, they want to push us away from their border, because the shelling of the border regions makes it difficult

for them to supply, well, firstly, the russians feel the presence of war is a psychological effect, but the main reason , i think, is still military, and highways, railways, ammunition warehouses, all this supply that takes place across the border, but it is difficult because of the vulnerability of ukrainian means of attack, they need to move us away from the border , firstly, and secondly, create a threat new offensive on kharkiv, i do not think that they are able to move far today, but try to take away what they have given and create another threat to kharkiv on the verge of getting closer to shoot him again already she is joking not only with rockets. well, the plus is the offensive in the kharkiv region, he can give them an additional bonus in order to move towards the luhansk region. well, and try again to take the raisins to close. these are visionary plans, it is all very difficult, but i think that at least these intentions are read if we look at the map and at the direction of their

attacks and at the deployment of their military units and even at the movement of certain military units from one area to another, this is the most obvious from my point of view because i will say to the strategist, but there are certain things that, ah, well, the experts are voiced, in principle , they can be read on the map, this is what they will definitely do if they succeed, they will continue to develop initiatives. which will certainly be hindered by the armed forces of ukraine serhii, thank you very much for such a comprehensive comment serhii rahmanin, people 's deputy of ukraine, faction, voice, member of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, we talked about personnel changes in the ministry of defense well, and about the perspective of the next phase of the war, thank you very much well, we have already briefly mentioned bakhmut, just to know what is happening there now , i will remind you that the day before , the donetsk regional military administration reported that they had restricted the entry

of civilians into the city of bakhmut precisely because of the danger to our broadcast is joined by commander freedom battalion , lieutenant of the national guard of ukraine yevhen ropa yevhen my greetings good afternoon studio even evening good afternoon yes good evening already eh what does this mean entry restrictions for the military bakhmut is for civilians. i apologize for civilians. this means that there will be less noise, you know. less people who just come to take pictures. for many people now , for some reason, you know how extreme entertainment it is to come to bakhmut, take a picture near the plane and see how the military conducts it. well, it's not a resort. we must understand that by themselves some civilians who want to help really want to help come there, they bring a volunteer, they bring us photos

, they hand over various letters, but they do it a little they interfere with the military because there is a lot of shelling, but in recent days there has been a lot of shelling of 120 calibers and more , and airstrikes have also been carried out on bakhmut, many children are in this place. until now, that is, parents, you know , treat their little er children so badly and for a long time not got out, and by this also many different people come there and it is desirable that they do not come there, for this they fought for such passes so that people, you know , visit less . bahmut or in the bahmut itself, even if there is one day of some kind of peace or silence , journalists are there. they report that there are already street fights in the city, but as for the children of the parents, well , i don't think that it is the desire of the parents to leave their children there, obviously. people are all different reasons why they don't leave, but in general , the donetsk military administration says

that about 5,000 civilians remain there. and tell me, is there at all, at this stage of the city's defense, the possibility of safely leaving the city? we have seen the maps and it looks like this maps that the fighting is going on very close to the two main roads that lead to the city, these people have 5,000 of them , there is an opportunity to leave the city safely now , there is an opportunity for the road that connects konstantinovka and bakhmut to be controlled by the defenders, the defense force is the road that is higher this is sloviansk bakhmut. it is really now under some enemy fire and it is advisable not to move along this route now, and if you look on the map, where the ivanivsk area was rejected, the enemy's attempts to engage and

gain a foothold near this sector were rejected therefore, the defenders of the force defense stationed in this direction really suffered. well, they really suffered and tried and pushed the enemy back to a certain distance. now there are really cool , cool brigades standing there who work every day. they understand that this direction is now very important and the enemy cannot be given the opportunity to cut off bakhmut today , i listened to prigozhyn talk to reporters . they really have a very big problem with forces and means, their people are completely demoralized, their people do not have the opportunity to perform their work qualitatively because they do not have a sufficient amount of heavy equipment , heavy weapons, that is, all they can do is

destroy our cities, our villages with the help of artillery these insidious attacks, when they drop bombs from airplanes on civilian objects, uh, where in theory there can't even be military personnel, they are constantly shelling there, with a tank coming out, dismantling house after house, that is, now under fire in the private sector, you know, there is a fight for every square meter. our defenders do not retreat, they fight to the end , they do not spare their strength, you know, sometimes they do not get enough sleep in this matter, you probably could have read. the western press writes about what is allegedly western partners advised ukraine not to defend bakhmut to the last, not to waste forces there, but to withdraw because forces will be needed in other areas of the front . just yesterday, the bbc wrote in its report

that they spoke with the military and the military says that they are not happy to leave bakhmut, but if such an order is given , they will do it. what do you think, can such an order be given in the near future? they can't destroy us, they can't move into the depths and give up bahmut well, i wouldn't say what morally will say it's strong in all directions but really, it's like a fortress, you know it for us, it's like some border that we don't want to leave for which a lot of life was given to our defenders of civilians, and it is morally possible that for some it will be a little difficult . i don't think that zelenskyi or zuluzhnyi will give

such an order. i have great doubts. these strategic means are important for us, that is, what are you waiting for ? abrams, uh, about the abrams, it may take six months. well, the leopards, maybe the german tanks will be there in march, the end of march, at least something. let something come, at least something. let it help, because the defenders are really tired, that is , people are getting tired. people are uh, tired. i would like some rest. some of them would like rotation of personnel many of our units, which were staffed at almost 100%, were slightly damaged and need to be restored, so for this we need the means and we need people who

can replace us, that is, many units they are still waiting for a replacement. thank you very much for joining us and telling us about the situation in the bakhmut direction. i wish you stability yevgen ropaye, the company commander of the freedom battalion, a lieutenant of the national guard of ukraine joined us live and told us about the situation in the bakhmut direction. and finally, i as usual, i encourage you to subscribe to radio svoboda pages in social networks on instagram telegram facebook twitter like this broadcast svoboda life will return to the air tomorrow we will listen to people suffering from rheumatism but it is arthritic, it is impossible to get used to it, it does not allow me to move. i tried everything. and at the pharmacy, i bought a yellow dolgit cream. it saves