[000:00:00;00] come to the people that we can win in the 23rd year. even if we win in the 24th , it is better than from now on saying that there is no war for ten years, psychotherapists just said on our broadcast that i would forbid people to categorically name a certain date when we won a certain date, but by the end of the 23rd year, we really need success in serious successes at the front in the 22nd year. it was kharkiv and it was kherson, and it helped to endure the 22nd year in the 23rd, too, something similar, and why is this necessary because we can, we can, this is an exalted state and faith in ourselves, and uh, ours, well it's exalted itself it can collapse we can't stand er overload you know we all live in stress and so many people can't survive this stress i'm even afraid to think

how many civilians we've lost and i don't know nobody knows that but i'm afraid about it's even to think how many people died due to heart attacks, strokes due to diabetes , because of which they are not directly related to the shelling, not related to the bombings , but this is all said by the mariupolzia, these are those who are directly from this. and now i will tell about those who, apparently, are not directly from the war, but from the war, people simply cannot stand it, and those who could have received some kind of medical assistance for a peaceful life, but in the conditions of the war, received food, there is no normal time , desire well, a lot of things, so returning to this, you know those who concentration camps say that first of all we seemed optimistic, they believed that everything would get better very quickly

, but it didn't get better, and that's why they were the very first to die, and here the situation is somewhat different. well, first of all, we are still not in concentration camps, and secondly, society supports each other, psychologically in particular, and that is why i am convinced that if in the 23rd year there will be something so powerful, well, crimea is desirable , i would like to, we have already booked a hotel there for next summer, it is easier than donbas to win it back it can be crimea, it can be a complete release, let's say from the zaporizhzhia region, it will also be very, very effective . well, we mentioned crimea now. sorry yevgena. we mentioned crimea now and also argued and discussed on this topic how to deal with the people who

are now living there already 8 years on in the temporarily occupied territories, mr. danilo says that they should live with us and not us with them, there is a different position, there is another position that we need to think about how to turn the minds of these people, let's say scientists think about it , believe me, what your position thinks is interesting and we think very seriously here that it is not just about bringing people back here, a generation must be brought back there, today's teenagers, they don't know anything else, they are scarier for me than the children who went to school in the championship, we will be it then in the fall, they are going to the seventh grade today they only heard in schools against went there in the third or fourth grade zakharchenko hero of motorola hero of hyva hero of russia our ukrainian propaganda, well, above all, it was there and we perfectly understand that it is very aggressive

and, to be honest, effective and here today no, i do not agree with danylo yes i understand that they have to live with us, but despite everything, we will return these territories with people, so what are we going to do to expel them or what do we have to convince them of our rightness, it will be very difficult to make this union at all, if we are talking about today it is temporary and i think that even before the final victory, many of us will start to make claims, vladzio . well, we already see that it is so. well, the president has already reacted. well, top -level politicians from the government, not the opposition, are already reacting. they say that we see the manifestations of...

the fact that the people united and the authorities some representatives begin to play their game and they played just their hands all the time they did not reach them well well, well, someone exchanged from kherson not just so someone appeared to them. pro-russian yes, i understand that they are pro-russian, but it was the ukrainian government, it is clear that they are pro-russian, and it was not only that. i think that gostomel did not appear just like that, and zhulyany did not just appear like that, but politicians and the government, just like people after 24 -th united and went oh-oh-oh most united after all someone stopped and after seeing that everyone went there he and we will go on a funny path many, many no even if you know the very feeling of preservation itself preservation itself did not give them that to do too strong

such was the anti-russian mood and in society and demonstratively in politics, that's why it seems to me that ni no longer united after all but you say that without even waiting for the end of the war sensing the approach of victory we will start to return to the usual it's normal again in our own way it's absolutely normal from my point of view 70% support of the president in peacetime - it's not normal to be like that in wartime - it's cool in wartime it's normal and it should be like that but after the war, well, in a democratic society and where does it come from and what and that people don't they see that the president is not doing everything the way they would like for the fourth year after the victory and after the victory it will intensify well, what can i guarantee that the huge level of trust in the armed forces will remain, it is traditionally quite high in ukraine after the 14th year, well

at least it was not possible compare with no other branch ukraine exists thanks to the armed forces, well, our defense forces, this is it now, well, in the 14th year, the same was not the case, but less, however, trust in the armed forces was high, the highest will remain , definitely high, but less i think that the volunteer movement will be preserved, but there is a lot more to it. of course, i conducted a study a long time ago and bought an interesting figure. 69 % of ukrainians reported that they are ready to endure current and future problems as long as it takes for ukraine to win. well, how do we measure? we measure by phone. the question is not that, there are two blocks of questions. first, did we interview those who really represent all of ukraine, because

the mood in kyiv, the mood in mariupol, the mood in odesa can be different, so did we really poll either in kramatorsk or in did we survey the age structure of kramatorsk, well, representatives of those age groups that represent the whole of ukraine, or did we ask only pensioners, this is also possible and the third most important thing. and we are convinced of the sincerity of the answer. i am not ready to tolerate, go to the negotiations with the russians .

in the context of russia's desire. they lie in the plane of the fact that we have to admit our defeat, so there is no talk of negotiations here - there is no talk, even in some format , of a cessation of hostilities, because everyone has realized that everyone is going to the end, and that's why this is me the level of support of the people, why are they in extremely difficult conditions, he spoke about what they are ready to endure, because on the opposite side lies the question of your existence in this country, the war is really a people's thing, it is really patriotic, this is the truth when communicating in the circle of your friends before the war someone said we should go look what's here messy there that that those who so said that we need to go somewhere they all stayed here all went those who were silent and never said that he might not even have discussed it and here for me that's what

you said my house, i'll be the first to meet it with my head, and i haven't given my house to anyone. look, i won't give it to anyone. it's clear that i won't give it away, so i think that's what the name means. well, on social networks, well, i went there a few weeks ago . i ask this ukrainian woman why don't they go outside and why do we have to go out well, how to demand from the authorities that they go to negotiations so that these barbaric bombings stop. well, when they go to victory, then we will leave, but this is a conditional division yevhen touched a little on the topic of those who left and those who remained, he is already there, he is already there, and you know , i am afraid that this division will generally be a little more groups, the armed forces will definitely be separated, re-defense will be separated, volunteering will be separated, those who, say, spent the entire war in kharkiv, those who

left for relatively safe areas and these who went abroad. i think that this division will be nothing to worry about. there is nothing especially when it will only concern individuals . it is bad if it affects political forces . when, let's say, one party will start to measure up to the other party. we remember savchenko, he was a combatant of political parties, and all this must be avoided and we must work on it. and we must monitor it. as soon as we see the deepening of this division, division, then there is nothing wrong with division, division, and discord. the most terrible thing is that this is a competition of political forces for the number of heroes for the passing passing part of the party of volunteers, doctors, people who were there up to a thousand before some victories in the third

number on our list goes to the boy, the hero who sent the russian ship, vote for us and it will be and it will be returning us to the state when we drew maps of the three types of ukraine and it will begin . is this all real ? today it is impossible to hold. to be honest, it is possible and not necessary because there should be criticism, but i do not think that we will return to the pre-war state, after all, first of all, the leaders have learned something. well, at least something. but they

have learned. you know, more people are trying to reach everyone and explain their point of view, i can see it from journalists. by the way, what questions are being asked now, what questions were asked in the 14th year, these are different questions, and what is the difference? i wonder if you are trying to understand the reasons today and then you just tried to ask and what is happening there and that's why we are talking with you now, you are suspicious of us, we go out the other day, what will he do, we were interested in the very topic with yevhen, because we discussed he says that i stayed on february 24 and for me, this is life and it is still continues 331 second day february 24 for me no you just have a different temperament different character nothing wrong with that it's not a division it's absolutely nothing to do with the division it's interesting

because i have a new stage of life i just said no i'm already thinking what it will be life after what other victories do you know? they have changed in every woman because, let's say, they stopped thinking about what kind of blouse to hope for, whether they can buy something or how to paint themselves, it would cease to be a very important priority, we can not ask about your position and understanding of what is happening in russian society. i don't know it well. in fact, i don't know it very well. i already told you that i don't trust the quantitative assessments of our sociologists too much, but there i trust it even less because there it is a controlled society, even observing publicly how they react to the war, here we are on the air from the first day of the marathon. we are there. at first we tried to reach out to the street . then there were stories of terrible buchis there, and we saw our conclusion. yes, for example, the

same tragedy in buchi, the russians refused to believe then that it is real that they can kill peaceful people and that it is not a question because it is the russian army there or not russian and it is just a fake and here when the tragedy happened in the dnipro recently they are happy because they have already done this they have all evolved, they are already used to this. it is true, this is the result of their propaganda, first of all, this is the result of propaganda that lasts not a year, not two, but what will happen to them , if you take the model of their mind when i hear russian liberals who are in the west can speak frankly and in principle well, i like them, well, i can’t say that i don’t respect their views for everything and they are all convinced that we are a democratic society, not us as ukrainians and

in general, all democratic societies of the world should clearly distinguish the top of the russian authorities and the whole of russia, i am not convinced of this, i am absolutely not convinced, and when they ask us about the prospects of reconciliation with the russians, i say that i do not see them at all. is it voluntary? another question, but they sincerely repented, and the russians now openly say that i do not support putin, but i cannot help but support my army as a counter-argument to them , they say that the germans also supported their army at one time, remember what happened then. - first no

so many people say that they do not support putin, let's be honest, but supporting your army during war is not so scary here. the question is that they do not just support the army, if the army is shelling, the russian army is shelling the position of the armed forces, well, shelling is war, but when they are shelling absolutely peaceful cities when they when they are shelling the infrastructure is critical what do they not understand that the children are sitting in an unheated room, you understand they say poor people they are sitting in the cold in the frost but we are shooting at the infrastructure for in order to cut off supply chains of western weapons, well, it's easy to hear, but belarusians are the same, because we are now talking about the threat of a second offensive and there is a risk that lukashenko will get involved in this war

even more. by the way, i think that he will not get involved as the questions are not absolutely positive here, it is purely pragmatism. and what will he hold his power on if he sends his army, his security forces here to destroy them? well, what will he do next, who is his putin will defend from the point of view of demographics , how we will come out after the war , someone will remain in the country, a very important challenge here is the question, not even anyone. give the country the development of gdp, and compared to the number of people who we have to serve economically, pensioners, socially vulnerable people, because the majority of those who left ukraine who can do something, work, and

most of those who left can work yes yes i say yes no you said that more of those who can work left left and i say that the majority of those who left can work understood already understood and write with what indicators we can finish like this before the war i mean before the war or before in the 14th year, there were 45 million yes 45.5 million in ukraine , this is the last data given by the state, well , you can argue with them because the census was significant, but there are no other figures, we will assume that 45.5 million was somewhere in the 30th year. well most likely it will be somewhere in the millions and thirty

in ukraine, wow, this means that the population density decreases from 75 to 50 people per square kilometer. is this enough or not? well, let's say in northern europe, norway, finland - it 's 14, not 50, but let's say in poland it's more than 100. just to make it clear, in the baltic countries , let's say a little there in estonia seems to have 30 such problems, then , in the fact that how to economically cultivate, well, you can say cultivate this territory, you understand. if there are no people and it is not a forest, then something wrong will happen in the territory. and our economy is going well and natural resources not forest

let's say we are starting to have a problem, it will inevitably arise in the north of the chernihiv, kharkiv, sumy regions, because it is close to the border, you understand very well. one thing is shelling with rockets, well, i hope that we will have before the second question. when the front passed twice, the issue of mining and the issue of mining and simply what can come up troops and simply that you can fire cannons and destroy houses, these are different things and how to develop them, well, the kharkiv region will more or less survive because kharkiv is by the way, kharkiv i work fantastically, look, they also produce candy in our academic institutes. they work from basements there, this is an example for us. well, it’s all simple . yes, this is an example of indomitability. how in the 14th year , odesa became such an example for me, completely unexpected , here kharkiv is simple, well, here, that’s what. most of all, putin was counting

on well yes yes yes yes kharkiv oblast will most likely hold out for which kharkiv and chernihiv sumy i don't know what to do and what to do with strategic enterprises, can they be there to leave i understand that the whole of ukraine is being shelled, but it is being shelled in different ways, after all, different guns, then guns, and rockets and missiles, where to transfer them, transfer them to the west, there is not much there, well, from the point of view of logistics, yes, but from the point of view of the development of the territory of ecological capacity, the territory, where to transfer it well, lviv region is something else. maybe there is no place in transcarpathia . there is no place in bukovina. there is no place in volyn. and the average age of ukrainians is getting older, but i don’t think that it is critical that we should change the migration policy

and attract migrants from the countries of central asia. europe completely that we will return our own and here is how we return and to return the same as to attract in fact, well, first of all, if we talk about our own, we definitely have a fantastic reserve of a sense of patriotism , i was once impressed. according to the data of our western border guards, including moldova, how many left and how many entered , yes, in the first two weeks from the beginning, after february 24, almost 200,000 men of conscription age returned to ukraine. they returned here knowing that they would not leave again they will be able to, the decree was already saying this. they returned to defend their homeland, help their relatives, because there is another explanation about the pants. but at the same time, young women and children left

. now i have a feeling of patriotism in ukraine. now, if we talk about uh, what young women and children left not only young women and children left here, mostly women from kharkiv and kyiv, and according to the data of german and polish researchers, 70% of our women who left there have a higher education, this is an incredible indicator , it means that we are not just quantitative we are losing potential, and the quality is getting worse, there are no grades there, they work mostly at low qualifications , they work there, how do they manage, how do they do it differently , well, the vast majority definitely, and i think that these whose children are at university and close to his age will not return, well, so

we were talking at the beginning, i don't remember with whom on the air of the marathon er and er someone someone will say from the researchers or in the direction he says that if the children who went abroad in september go to school abroad, then the probability their return to ukraine. you see how your theses are. yes, you know in your head that every month is an additional month of war. it brings us huge losses in terms of human potential . there are two processes here and both go in the same direction. every month of war is an additional destruction in ukraine, the economy is destroyed.

housing is being destroyed, people will have nowhere to work , return to find a job, and will have nowhere to live. mostly people from kyiv and kharkiv went, and not simple people went, you know, a woman who is used to orienting herself on the help of her husband or father or someone else, she will not go abroad with her children alone. well, and so on, not all of them left, we all left, but of those who left, the vast majority of them were there was a meeting this was somewhere months at the beginning of the academic year, there was a meeting of the ministers of education, e.e. g7 well, they invited ukraine there, and absolutely all the ministers emphasized the extremely high level of training of our children , school students and university students, but

it seems to me that the family where the children of high school age or are already studying have entered the university there, there is the greatest risk of not returning because of you know, the child already has a chance for a bright future there, but here it is unknown where to return, and the risk is related to the fact that , firstly, they will not return, and secondly , the reunification of families will take place after the removal, where will we check if it is possible to say that when we dream that everything will end with a victory, in reality everything is just beginning, but at the moment the main goal is the first stage and what unites us. another question is really

in the armed forces, and we are sure of victory and that's all. we believe in this point. the air is incredible. thank you mela livanov, professor, academician, director of the institute of demography . we will finally feel spring, how thirsty we will make love to wash away the war, to dissolve its cursed smell in salty sweat together, i will fly through the star maps and learn everything about how god created you and when the guns cool down , how hot it will be in the beds until you are bitten

, they will kiss you to erase from remember the horror, so that your moaning will frighten the emptiness, i will have you with a tired sleep and will have it endlessly. and in the morning i will love again, and if fatem has mercy on us, we will survive this fierce spring, how thirsty we will make love to wash away the war that is so heavy in us today, and the armor is better we've got more reliable than a shield taken from a berkut, and weapons you cannot compare at all, and now we are putting tires and enemy equipment, it’s the same. that’s why

heroes don’t die, they hold meetings, they hold the sky above ukraine. do they live and help the migrants here, they call them guests and welcome them, as befits good hosts , as if they were on a horse and rode off? compatriots at the front, among other things , camouflage nets and suits are woven here for the soldiers. and how much will be needed. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes , more glory to the volunteers who impressed with their