[000:00:00;00] on the air of the espresso tv channel, analyzing the not simple situation with real practical decommunization and demofization, it is about, so to speak , the removal of a symbolic space, so to speak, of small architectural forms that, so to speak, work for the benefit of the russian orthodox church. writes how nice it is to go to kyiv when there is no monument to vatutiny. well, there is another epithet , i can't voice it on the air, but here are the people who appreciate it. the decommunization of valevsk is already reaching 18:00 . and you are somehow like that. at what time? and you still had such an impression at the 14th hour

. don't behave our live broadcast now serhiy rudenko in the verdik program let's watch it together glory to ukraine this is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today , february 16, is the 358th day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers in on the night of february 16, russia launched another missile attack on ukraine, according to the military, russia launched 36 anti-aircraft missiles on ukraine, destroying 16 of them. the secretary of the national security and defense council, oleksiy danilov, said that according to preliminary data, on february 23 and 24, russia is going to attack ukraine of another massive missile strike, then already on february 22 is going to address the annual message to the federal assembly of the russian

federation, meanwhile, the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine as of the morning of february 16 russia has already lost 140,000,460 people in ukraine in the last one alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 690 orks with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,296 tanks , 6,517 armored fighting vehicles, 2,306 artillery systems, 466 rocket launchers, 239 air defense systems , 298 aircraft, 287 helicopters 5,167 units of automotive equipment 18 ships , boats, 857 cruise missiles in 2011, drones, 219 units of special equipment, so according to the forecasts of the ukrainian side, on february 23-24

, russia plans to inflict a new massive missile attack on ukraine, we know that this will be the year of the beginning of the great invasion of ukraine by the russian federation in moscow, propagandists and tv channels are talking about the fact that putin may even announce, well, nato is officially meant during the speech before the federal assembly of the russian federation , which is scheduled for 22 we will talk about all this in the next hour . i would like to introduce today's first guest, oleksandr musienko, the director of the center for military legal research, mr. oleksandr. good day. good health to you and thank you for joining our broadcast. good health. i congratulate you. so, on february 14-15, rammstein ii ended in brussels. this is an anti-putin coalition, which is now joined by more than 50 countries of the world. it made it clear that

russia in the form in which it currently exists threatens the world and how to me , it was a milestone for rammstein because it is clear that the world has decided to fight putin's russia more actively from the rammstein mechanism itself, i think that theoretically it is possible because rammstein sets itself the goal of supporting the ukrainian army in providing the weapons we need in order to repel enemy attacks, but also to prepare to be ready for the transition to counteroffensive actions, as was indicated by the minister of defense lloyd to mostin just when holding this meeting during communication with the mass media, that is, from this point of view, from

the point of view of the functional point of providing weapons in order to defeat the russian army, which is currently fighting in ukraine on its occupied territories, this let's say the right direction, that is, an absolutely clear, understandable, correct course of action, and here we can highlight the statement of the same logid osin, who sent a clear message precisely to russia when he said that we will help ukraine prepare for a counteroffensive in the spring, if this means that it means that in his opinion the united states believes that with the united states believes that ukraine is capable of repelling russian attacks during this offensive and be ready to move to a counteroffensive and they are ready to provide weapons tools for this roughly like this can be interpreted, that is, i am quite sure. i would say, but from the point of view of further actions, that is, the russian army was defeated in ukraine, and

what to do next with russia, it seems to me that today there is no clear understanding of one single position in the institution, because someone says about what, as the head coordinator of the munich security conference, russia must go through de putinization, depatriation. yes, i can agree, but it seems to me that my deputizations are not enough. russia must go through certain processes similar to passed through germany after the fall of the third reich and after the fall of the nazi totalitarian regime, similar things should happen there, and the next moment, alexander , denazification should take place, that is, if you are already talking about germany, yes, yes, similar , that is, or we say, let’s expand the ideology, which is comparable. well, where is reification ? - different, well, that is, similar processes and the second point is a safe space, that is , security guarantees and in the future, and what will

happen next, how are they possible for the future aggressive behavior of russia in general and someone sees it on to the west because of the fact that let's let the opposition come to power there mass yashen there well, to all these figures who are now in russian prisons and in this way we will try to liberalize russia, but partly the west went through it, we all went through it after the collapse of the soviet union when someone there believed in yeltsin that there will be liberals , that means there will be a liberal russia, no one will fight everything, the cold war is over , let's reduce the arsenals, spend on defense, withdraw american troops from europe should finance its defense complex with less than one percent of its gdp, such as germany or other or many other european countries and everything, but the calculation turned out to be wrong and erroneous, so it seems to me that work and

discussion should be actively going on now. more of the munich security conference and, ultimately , of all possible platforms, how to build e-e global security for the post-war period, because there are quite a lot of global risks and threats, and this is the vision from this vision is the only one, it is absent in ukraine, it is clear that we perfectly understand this vision that russia in the form in which it is, as yuriy lipa wrote, with the imperial center in moscow, must cease to exist in the form of an empire. through the formation of two, three, four, five new states, new territorial formations, or other means, but this must happen, and by the way, this is a task for the future. that is, we must also be aware

that when the hot phase of the war ends, it this does not mean that it is already a victory on the battlefield. but it is not yet final. victory in the war, unfortunately. we also need to understand that . yacheslav volodan declared russia's support to the world during the meeting of the state duma. he says that he supports putin's position . the majority of the world's population. well, let's hear volodin. vladimir putin and building a multi-polar, just world i already mentioned at the beginning of the program that next week mr. putin is scheduled to deliver his annual message to the federal assembly of the russian

federation. this message was supposed to take place at the end of 2022, but it did not happen . because putin wanted some victories, now russian propaganda the mass media, in particular russian television, says that in this message putin will almost declare war on nato, well at least yesterday i watched the gangster channels, they are very active are torpedoing this topic that russia can state that the state of war in which russia de facto is not with ukraine but with nato as they say and that there will be some such solutions that will allow russia to put everyone on place, what do you think, will the next week be decisive in the confrontation between the civilized world and the horde, you know, i have to say it, i will give you a more detailed

answer to your question, because here volodya and i will touch on everyone and explain why and return to rammstein, the words of the head of the chiefs' committee about of the joint staffs of the joint committee of the general army about the fact that russia lost strategically, operationally, and even tactically, he said, well, tactically , the battles continue, not we all hope , of course, that with a victory for ukraine, they will end, but the war is still going on, but strategically and operationally, this is what he says i don't want to comment on where he gets the data about the majority of the population of education, it's clear from the ceiling, it's clear, but he says a multi-polar world, and what kind of multi-polar world is it, and it can be stated strategically before the loss of russia if nuctors, who now reckons with russia, russia is reckoned with because of what you understand , a monkey with a grenade, how do you say, because they have

nuclear weapons, this is the only argument why they are afraid of them, and this is also because they are large in area there, uh, what makes it difficult, possible some land operations were once there. if there was a big war, that's all, and in the end, the parts that what a multipolar world, the west imposed sanctions , and the east, on which they so calculate the profit from this, uses russia, uses its raw materials, uses cheap prices for oil for other resources that russia can sell and is forced to sell at a big discount, a big discount, and they are accumulating it, i mean china, india, other countries, and if we talk about the world, we are not talking about a unipolar one, then the role of the counterparts is that of the second part this world can be occupied by china, let's increase the chances than

russia, now the second point regarding the war and something bigger. to ukraine a written ultimatum that was sent to the united states by russia, which was announced by two deputy ministers of foreign affairs of russia, eh . of the high-ranking officials of the russian federation then said let nato take away the monatki so i want to remind you that two world wars started with ultimatums , this also happened and very often wars start with an ultimatum, so if interpreted from this point of view, what putin challenged because of that he already declared war

, and remember when he gave speeches on the occasion of the illegal annexation of ukrainian territories and there he spoke to the kremlin about the things he announced to the civilized world can also be perceived as a declaration of war, therefore, from this point of view, they have already spoken a long time ago in such a way that it can be perceived as a declaration of war and they are constantly provoking in this sense , they are engaged in escalating the situation. so decisive because, after all, the situation will not be determined by mistakes, but it will be determined on bobi's field, eh, what russia can do and will do , we can already roughly see, we can predict this renewal of offensive actions and an increase in the number of this horde that is arriving, that it is throwing battles, we we see the intensification of hostilities, we understand the threat of continuing

missile terror, we are also aware that it could be, but please note that unlike the events of a year ago, there is some kind of excitement from our western partners confidence is not observed and in this sense, for example, the visit of the minister of foreign affairs of israel in ukraine , one of the goals of his trip is to restore the work of the israeli embassy in kyiv . in the ukrainian capital, this also adds a certain confidence, that is, despite any there is no speech because of that fear and that insecurity, and this is quite important in the context of the further adjustment to the struggle, yes. well, we remember that before february 24, 2022 , foreign embassies were, er, removed from kyiv

to western ukraine, and some were in poland warning of the countries of large countries to their citizens who are in the territory of ukraine to leave the territory of ukraine. now there are no such warnings. in the meantime, the secretary of the national security and defense council of russia danilo reported that the russian invaders are preparing a new massive missile attack on ukraine, which may take place on february 23-24 well, danilov said this in view of the propensity of the current putin regime for symbolism, that they are trying to dedicate in quotation marks some kind of shelling or mass shooting before any dates. air alert as it was, for example, on august 24, 2022, when planes continuously took off from the territory of belarus from the airfields and the alarm was constantly sounded , it seems that there were six or seven or even eight air alerts , meanwhile, president zelenskyi speaks about the prospects in the russian-ukrainian war and

the prospects of victory he said that russia is losing its people and its forces . and we have to break any attempts of russia to seize the initiative and we will do it. economic issues, ideas, other, with an eye on the outcome of this year, we must make a conclusion in such a way that it is really felt that ukraine is moving towards victory, this concerns the preparation of our villages, harrows, the supply of weapons for our state and our strategic initiative in the war, any attempt by russia to seize the initiative, we must break it i am sure that you will do it, the enemy is already losing so many of his men and so many of his forces that all of russia will soon find it difficult to find

, for example, a marine, and our task is to make sure that there are fewer and fewer of them and the desire keeping ukrainian territories under occupation and liberating our land is a goal that we work to achieve every day. second, we want victory over putin. the west also wants it, mr. oleksandr. is there even a percentage left that putin can change the situation in what way, an incredible way is simply to defeat the west and including ukraine well, we have to consider different scenarios , even such ones, in order to model it and understand how they are. they are possible, although you know. hmm , today i consider such a scenario

to be very unlikely, and because in principle, er to win today is the first. i believe that ukraine as a state and with statehood is worth it. that is, it has already withstood and has withstood and this is our achievement, this is what we can put as an asset. instead, there is a struggle for the restoration of our territorial integrity , but not a struggle and a struggle for the de-occupation and liberation of those people who are currently under occupation by the russian troops, but it is definitely heaven for not let's put it this way, the fight in general for the possibility of our existence for statehood and so on, because i am convinced that after all, it has already happened but there are threats and they are not disappearing anywhere and the war continues, eh. i think that today what putin would like to achieve, what he would like to present as a victory, is the maintenance of the land corridor to crimea and the occupation of the south and the capture of the donetsk region. this is where he would theoretically, he could be ready at this stage to come out and say that the so-called

special military operation has ended, let's negotiate there again based on the new territorial realities, as he says, which is unacceptable in principle and for today, as i i think that if there is a clear momentum and confident support for the event and it will continue for ukraine , the struggle will continue and it will continue, in which the whole people joins, because it is really a people's war, in one way or another , they are involved. russia can win over ukraine and ukraine and the west, but for now we must understand that uh, democracies have big pluses, which are definitely more uh, in a totalitarian regime than in totalitarianism or

authoritarianism, but they also have certain the disadvantages are that elections may take place , the political situation may change , conditions in some countries may change, and there may be, let's say, other conditions for the future. it is more difficult to agree on sanctions packages or support or the supply of weapons. we also have to calculate and be aware that they may be, but in general, for the moment, looking at the course that has chosen event in support of ukraine and acting together, i emphasize that as of now , i do not see any risks that russia can achieve such a global victory, british intelligence reports about many more military aircraft, but a large-scale air campaign during the spring offensive of the forecast is considered unlikely in britain, meanwhile, the deputy chairman of the council the security of the russian federation dmytro middev

, a constant public figure of vladimir putin , recently visited the omsk plant of transport engineering and buildings about plans for production and modernization thousands of tanks says so. putin told us to listen to medvedev. of course, our adversary clinched there. airplanes, rockets, and tanks are found abroad. what should we do in response? it is clear that in this case, it is natural for us to increase the production of various types of military equipment, including modern tanks. we are talking about the production of modernization 1 000 tanks, this is a task , it comes from the year, it comes from the decisions

made by the president of the country. the state is not about how to make the cities better and more convenient for the citizens, they are thinking about how to rivet thousands more tanks in order to go to war against ukraine, there is no alexander, there is such a feeling that russia can , after all, at some stage simply transform to north korea and close in on itself within its borders and in general in its structure and in its rules that they are now offering to society so that actually this military campaign that was launched in 2014 was aimed at turn russia into north korea in principle, what kind of elites are at the top, which is comfortable at the top and they will completely control

140 million russians, well, on the one hand , yes, on the other hand, you understand. or in some other form. they can't do without the west, they constantly, that is, putin is conducting absolutely such a hooligan policy, it is clear that it is criminal and not only in relation to the west, what is he doing? he cannot offer the west some kind of vision. further , they say that the world is multipolar and so on, so what can you propose, what model of development, tanks , missiles, murder, destruction, destruction, war, what attractive model of education do you offer, if the united states or europe offers some attractive model by which millions of billions of people on this planet want to live, what does russia offer? not what most people would like to live by, but they always look to the west anyway. they always

say that we want negotiations, that is, putin , somehow this hooligan tries to constantly engage in escalations to push him noticed because otherwise it is impossible to notice him. only when he threatens nuclear weapons missiles and so on. and to sit down with him for negotiations, that is, from this point of view, they actually seek some kind of negotiations with the west, but in their flawed logic and imagination, and north korea, you understand after all, it exists due to the fact that china helps and contributes to them in many ways, i mean in the economic sense, and thanks to this they are supported, i am sure that china will be ready to take on what is called support or russia. i think that they have others tasks or then, under this scenario, on the territory of russia controlled by putin, it will actually turn into smaller borders, because more resources are available, then simply

russia, you will have to give the same to china for guaranteeing certain economic checks, because russia was russia was actually extraordinary , it was, let's say, integrated into western economic processes and financial markets and raw materials and many other things. and now it is very difficult for them to reorient it all suddenly closed and to reorient somewhere else because they did not speak when buying and selling oil in china and so on, it is extremely difficult and there is no success in redirecting it somewhere, as far as china's position is now decisive and will be decisive because there is a collective event of more than 50 countries participating in the rammstein meeting as in the rammstein format, it is clear that the anti-putin coalition is much more than the anti-hitler coalition, and it is clear that in this situation it is clear

whose side is the force, but this player is a big player, china, which is waiting and waiting of the results of the russian-ukrainian war, it is obvious that he hesitates and heeds the warning of the united states of america there, because it is clear that the chinese economy is tied to the american one, it is clear that china is trying to use russia in the war against e collective measures not only against ukraine according to your how much in the next in a few months, this position may either change or to what extent it may be decisive, because it is clear that with the format of the anti-putin coalition, russia will not be overmatched. well, i agree that china indeed, in principle, to a certain extent, this applies to china, the war is profitable, why, because they in this way, in fact, two shots make

one - that is, they increase russia's dependence on china, no matter what, and they get cheaper raw materials for themselves, and reduce in that it's time for the military pathologist of russia, which also has borders, and i want to remind you that not russia, but the soviet union and china, in principle, for quite a long time had difficult relations in the sense of security, and not only there, borders and so similar er well but now less with that therefore, it is beneficial for the chinese, on the other hand, for china, it is beneficial for there to be some kind of stimulus for the west, and what would china be directly , i.e., for military russia, all questions are for russia, russia is waging a military struggle, its people are dying, it is losing its resources, like china, at the same time, i think it will wait for a certain moment when there will be a border where

it will no longer be profitable for china due to the possibility of overgrowth - this is a direct collision of the sign with nato countries, that's when china, i think, can declare itself and say in a certain sense that go to negotiations are with me, not with putin. you see, i think that in reality i have been trying to understand for myself for a long time why these chinese balloons flew to america on the eve of the visit of secretary of state blinkin to china. in the sense that if there is a multipolar world, then russia will not be in it, china and the united states are the players, and if we talk about something in the future with russia, then we need to talk in including taking into account the factors of china, they also raise the stakes in a certain way, but chinese politicians are definitely smarter than russian ones, and i think that it is not in their interests to escalate this war into

something bigger, and there will be a limit where they are ready to have more influence, i think to russia's position with the aim of ending this aggression. thank you, oleksandr, for the conversation. this was oleksandr busienko, the director of the center for military and legal studies. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel and also on our social networks for those who now watching on youtube and facebook please like this video subscribe to our pages well, friends, you can become sponsors of the youtube channel of the espresso tv channel , now you will see links to which you can go to qr-codes there are detailed information on how you can join of the sponsor club of the espresso tv channel , we need any help from you, and we are grateful for any help, we work