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for our fighters, the first five stations we we will hand over to the 406th separate artillery brigade named after general oleksiy almazov join the gathering let's bring victory together glory to ukraine my greetings my name is anna valevska thank you for supporting the ukrainian view of the world with us - this is a program of self-government here we are talking about local self-government now the main under during the war , as a small village, city, community, they respond to the current challenges, what are we doing with self-government and one of the most successful reforms of decentralization, which, i will remind you, is the main a sign of democracy in a democratic society, and this is our main trump card on the way to the eu. you see how everything depends on whether the mayor works properly. do people influence self-

government in a small village ? it depends on us. there is still a way to a developed civilized society and the european union, i would like to remind you that we already have the status of a candidate for yes. my congratulations once again, if you watch us on youtube, then take an active part in our program, write us comments put your fingers there in one way or another, as you like, but the main thing is not to be indifferent, i always say that in all processes of the country, the most important thing is not to be indifferent, take an active part , get ready for the fight, we will talk about our local self- government. of local self-government, what is the topic that i wanted now well, we already see , so i will introduce vasyl sydor, the mayor of slavuta, mr. vasyl, i am glad to see you, congratulations

, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, you know what i want to say let's talk about the topic, so i formulated an attack on local self-government . well, for now, the question is under the question. why do they want to take away the powers of land and forest from the communities, because there are such attempts, let's talk about it with you, because, well , talking will indicate that it will not be allowed to a certain extent , that's how it is from now on you see these disturbing moments , well. in particular, i see it in connection with the case of chernihiv, i will remind you that after the court decision already in the appeal, which forbade the elected mayor to legally occupy the position of the head of the community of chernihiv, a direct military administration well, in essence, on the one hand, it is so. because the war, and on the other hand , well, it essentially hacked the decentralization of our main reform, vasyl. how do you see it? many mayors came to the court to support, and

you , um, support chernihiv mayor trushenka. i really signed up. well, i just had a session, i couldn't come that day, but i want to say the following: it was necessary to introduce a military administration on february 24 , 2022. you understand everything, people, everything, and the ukrainian people rose from the first day only the first shells and rockets arrived, no one called anyone, they got up and immediately went to defend ukraine. and that's why we really have to be grateful to the ukrainian people today because they didn't doubt them, they didn't need to be convinced, they're all in a group do you know how many people returned from abroad and did what they should have done regarding the mayors ? well, i got a call at six o'clock in the morning from i was told that rockets were flying at starkom and here at our city. there were military units. i checked this data and it was confirmed.

after half an hour we were already working and we gathered people, not a single person told me that she would leave or she would not do the work and after an hour or two people already formed squads of roadblocks and played it is very interesting to listen, forgive me, i have to interrupt you here all over the country the muscovites will not stop anna valevska thank you for being with us, the whole country is now red, we can see it on the map, these are not people who, unfortunately, are our neighbors, they want to share it with them, to beat everything that is beautiful and good that we have here, that we have created , in particular, as a result of changes and reforms but nothing will work out of them, we will not let anyone intrude on this, in particular, the decentralization reform, which we talk about in particular in this program , the mayor of slavuta vasyl, i will not

talk much with us, mr. vasyl , please continue, we started with chernihiv, there they introduced a military administration. so why then no everywhere you say that come on then everywhere it was necessary and a year ago, so i say, it was necessary then from the 24th and take all the responsibility, but look at the first days, the first months, what a huge burden of the forest, that is , community formation of displaced persons, security , physical protection, work of communal enterprises and this everything fell on the shoulders , including the organizational self-governance of the city mayors . we are not talking about uh, you understand that it is difficult, we are saying that we are all united. despite the challenges, but look at the first thing i want attention will be drawn later to the cities that were under occupation on the first day. well, the presidential administration already knew there , the prosecutors' offices, the military knew that there would be offensives, but the mayors did not know, but if the mayor provides security, who will think, should have thought

about his family about relatives and about those people who must be counted on the first day if he made a noble, correct law and a concession secured his family and this gave him the opportunity to perform the functions of turning the pursuer to himself, that's why i really didn't drink it i do not support this. i think that if it is not political persecution, but it is not possible to act like this at the moment, it is necessary to join forces and continue to work. the local self-government bodies took on themselves on the first day a huge burden of responsibility, and today they are carrying it. hostilities are underway, martial law - this is probably the trampling of a path that will destroy local self-government , so i think it is very wrong regarding the issues that you voiced, which are currently being discussed today we are worried despite the fact that this is a military state, we see that there is inconsistency, supererogation, and in some cases, well, in my opinion, such a decision is foreseen, which

lead to corruption components . there , uh, we see that well, that's what it's called . let's form it. it takes away some powers from the communities, so specifically , look at the local self-government bodies that administered these services. they created corresponding to the institutions of the groups working today say no, you will not monitor the objects that you are doing , you have no control at all today, you are completely removed from this today, you will be responsible only to finance if someone there has violated the law, they even legalize today, if the construction is in legislate on land plots and you will only bear the responsibility on the other hand, it goes back to the procedure that was 3-4 years ago, it is necessary to pay

dollars for that today means to give object, we see it and we say so today, let's speak openly, but if today there are comments to the local self-government bodies , then you say that today there are comments, which we will be responsible for. they tell us that we are good, that is, the land is yours, mr. vasyl, in simple language, the land is yours, but they will decide somewhere in kyiv how to dispose of it correctly and provide it for development, they built it, then they said we are building a house, we all built it the first-floor admin cell was then put into operation and these are your problems, i will tell you. you have to decide there, well, that, well, you understand , except for mockery and bullying , i can no longer voice it. we are not enemies of our people, we are not enemies of business, we are not against it, on the contrary, you understand that when an investor enters the region, and in

this and all procedures, there is an opportunity to obtain an open permit, and it is possible to work in this regard, but we only for but if when they return to the corrupt elements, we say stop. forests cannot be like that. forests - this is in general. this is something, something, something, this is impressive . you understand, you know what they did now. well, once again , they made a unified structure of the forests of ukraine and said that you are already incapable of managing forests at the local level. not only that, there is a draft law on december 13 on the official website of the state agency of forest resources , which is a regulatory activity draft, a draft law on the peculiarities of the management of state-owned objects in the forestry sector and the order of formation and activity the forests of ukraine are specialized in the state forest management association. you know what happens. they say that we have 7.6 million and you have 1.3, so let's take your forests too, but here's an explanation in general. well, well

, numbers. excuse me for the expression. it's just that if you can't do it to call a children's kindergarten the forests where they conduct their activities communal forestry enterprises have worse taxation indicators no neighboring where will the tree become where the activities are carried out by state forestry but listen today if these forest massifs are located on the territory of the community, that is, they are according to some group, we follow them, we control them, but today bring order with your bark beetles , bring order with fires, bring order today with felling, and then you will claim what they want without a decision of the session , without any approvals all forest areas that exist are transferred from communal state ownership simply by a pen receipt because that's what they want, because they have already established the order of investigation, now they want to take away all forest forests and communally owned forest land means a single joint-stock company and they will manage them. well, you. well, what are you? well, that's all that's left, then

they want to manage the resources, the land themselves, and the forests themselves, and then filling the community budget, who will provide for it? it's already theirs, it's not yours. we will decide there, we will set up a company, somehow we will work we remember we remember yanukovych we remember these forests and roads we remember their positions when they wanted to make such and such reserves there, how they formed reserves in the regions, how they did by the state's road account and this continues, well, you can't abuse people today, if a local self-government body does not perform some functions, then please show how they should be performed. well, we see the inability of state institutions to do this today. and today we are responsible to the state to community and we say that today it is not necessary to transfer all this matter into a single structure, because the forests are further , the land is further, the resources are further, and

so on. they handed over the land, they gave the opportunity, the land market, yes, the americans bought the israeli land, they bought it, you bought it, and they protect it, who will protect it, please show us one owner of the land who came today and protects the land, mr. vasyl well, let's not be like that these people love us, they sold everything to the americans a long, long time ago, as a matter of fact, your community has land, uh, at your disposal , tell me what kind of passport there is, approximately , land, it is land, and protective land, it is land of the first category, it is forest massifs, which located on the territory of the city, we take care of them today, we follow them, control and so on, we carry out forestry activities . the ministry and said

once again that your attempts to trample the path and take away forests and land in communal property, they contradict the constitution and the law , and especially in wartime, you cannot do this well, it's just a crime, that's why we're drawing attention to it once again, and today i'm voicing it not in order to change the situation, but in order to once again emphasize the attention of those people on whom it depends that war cannot be used today to solve such issues are not in the interests of the ukrainian people and in the interests of ukrainian communities , because these are draft laws that have not yet been adopted. therefore , for now, you are directing everything as before correctly. well, it is the same 56-55, while nina has already been president for 2 months, not even though they were recruited for listen to the history behind the petition in half a day, 28,000 signatures and still not returned, although in 15 days there should be a return and not signed, and what will you sign tomorrow and what will they say

? that it is impossible to take such actions , it is impossible to accept the deputies or these institutions that today represent the forests of ukraine , the shareholders, in general, i am categorically against it, we said it, you know, this is a corporate organization or these attempts to unite everything on a large scale it means that they will not lead ukraine to anything good, they do not bring with them any non-economic , non-managerial, uh, positive result, it arises, it arises from people , it causes a lot of doubts. of collectivization, which is in charge at that time, it is not known who it is. no, it is not the transfer itself. there was state property, you understand, there it is. privatization is the next stage, and where privatization

means the transfer of private hands to one another, that is what it is about. and you won't enter the mushrooms at all, don't collect them, i'm the property of the community, this is raiding, wringing out the community's property, this can't be done by war. then maybe we'll try to wring it out. well, here , we live in such conditions in reality, we can't do that. thank you for this conversation, it's important to voice it. at least you and i will definitely not let you and vasyl do that. and what about the communities there and with the educational subsidy , there are still some vicissitudes. they don't give you any money for education now. the state fulfills its obligations to the communities. well, look. the general field of education is financed by 60% somewhere in the general body of local self-government, it is community funds and 40% , which means state subvention, well, mainly it is for the payment of salaries of pedagogical workers, we had a method developed and currently in the 21st-22nd year, this method is more less did it meet these obligations that educators must fulfill, but look at what happened, it means that they analyzed

the last year. they looked at what in some communities there are balances of funds, and the balances of funds could be fulfilled, they were temporary and they could be used for the next year for prestige for extra payment and including use for the purchase of the necessary equipment and that what is needed concha for education it was controlled by the treasury, what did the ministry probably analyzed says listen to you the remaining funds let's take them away because we need them more needed. well, you see, it reminds me of pinocchio, that he buried money and there was a forest where he walked like a cat and wanted to see how to cheat , but well, at the moment it is an abuse in the sense that the institution of the ministry of finance, which should be interested in regional development, which should lead to stimulate the industry in the world . what did they do, they left you funds, we will take them and took them, they withdrew these funds that remained in the communities , but

this is the maximum effective use of funds. a reserve for the possibility that the following year will be a more difficult year, something is screaming, but not only that, but they also took away the funds that were, which were er, treasury registered as liabilities. well, for example, the inclusive center conducted the procedure for purchasing equipment for of the inclusive center in november, we received the payments for the equipment. we received it accordingly in december , but the payments were not sent to the treasury . this equipment is inclusive equipment. please, what kind of belts should you do with this equipment, return it to the supplier, or how ?

reduced educational subvention by two i heard 20% minus p vasyl two minutes unfortunately for us muscovites took time i won’t ask then tell me these two minutes are what hurts communities the most right now especially your cities slavuta we live near a nuclear power station how is it right that she still creates war there are more risks in the residential area of ​​the population of the nuclear plant, the nuclear plant was expected to be the same there, uh , and we are repairing pro and the purchase of potassium iodide and marvel bandages and so on, and we have completed some objects, well, for now in this in 2018, no funds were allocated at all. today, we need 3 million potassium iodide and will buy it. i am asking the question: what funds should we buy potassium iodide for? what funds should we make ? the station makes payments collects collects paves qualitatively on time in full the government again takes this money and says you don't need it we no longer need the money that the nuclear plant pays into the budget will not go to

safety lessons they didn't give a penny they shared deputies divided taxes for themselves because it is a specialist, they themselves. so they divided. we came, we hear you. we will help you. well, it is not possible. good people today are nuclear today , on the contrary , our risks arise more. creates risks for us, well, we will not leave the region today , but give us the opportunity to partially somehow protect our people, give us at least some of these funds so that i can at least purchase potassium for this is the minimum number of people required by the law. no, we will not give, and you understand, such guys , a long time ago, i would very, very, very much ask everyone, the government and the verkhovna rada and all the people who depend on it, let's unite to work for protection, don't abuse the situation, we are today we have the right to know the truth. we are working today, so everyone is for victory today, without exception, and even those people who talk less , they work much more, and you, for example , are such a reality. i want to sincerely

thank everyone today. are suffering and i think that the purchase of electricity is necessary for the government to purchase electricity today, as much as possible, it gave energy workers the opportunity to work part-time, all in all cities, people start schools , kindergartens, military saws must work as a single mechanism, and then we will have no doubt that we will receive help, we will receive help the only time when the optimist will be confirmed by the facts and the facts - this is what i said , including production , including power, including everything that is needed for victory. we are on our side, you are working 24/7 ready to help everyone without exception and hope for the best, we are positive, we are working and we have no doubt that there will be support and there will be positivity from all people without exception and we will have a victory , it will be ukraine vasyl sydor thank you

mayor of slavuty an important conversation is that what really hurts the community right now is that the government does not perform centrally in front of them, and the community has just fallen to functions even more than were previously reported , and they are performing many new functions , and in particular, in defense, we will talk about all this with oksana prodan is a representative of the association of cities of ukraine, she is already with us the adviser to the head of the association of cities of ukraine on local self-government issues oksana , i greet you, is oksana prodan with us and i hear you and i hear you so far i do not see now i see good afternoon well we see anxiety drove us to this studio. well, you probably heard a little bit of our conversation with a specific community. let's go from the specific to the general to the extent of the problems voiced by the sponsor. it's that they want to take away the authority of communities to dispose of lands and

forests. they have the right to dispose of them. typical for all communities and well, let's just say how ready the mayors are to defend their powers, the heads of communities, do you not see here an attack on decentralization? well, in fact , specific problems, or they live near a nuclear plant and do not have any tax from the fact that the plant works for them, then really there are general problems in all of them, except for those related to martial law and the war. this is the first attempt by the state authorities of the central government to take away the powers as much as possible, and this is not only about the well-known 56-55 city planning activity completely centralize and tell the communities that they are free from influence on what happens in their territories, we are talking about local

bodies of local self-government and residents of communities, this is one part, there is another part, there is already a decision of the government and government bodies about the expropriation of land plots of the forest there is a draft law that tries to take away the land plots that were received by the communities under decentralization in the 20th year. in addition, there are powers in the tax field, where communities were deprived of the opportunity to finance local budgets in for the first time in many years, the educational subvention was taken away from the local self-government, the remains of the educational subvention , although this is a devolved authority that the state is obliged to finance in full, that is, in addition to the fact that today the local self-government, like all ukrainians, is fighting against an aggressor from the outside. unfortunately, it has to find pennies in order