[000:00:00;00] in the eastern border, who are restraining this moscow invasion, which is not going to western ukraine now, only thanks to the fact that the guys protect our eastern border, before the departure of the train at the station in uzhgorod, opened a photo exhibition unity for the future, the photos tell about the evacuation by rail of hundreds of thousands of ukrainians from the hot spots of the country people who fled here from the war are escorting the train of unity with tears in their eyes. for us, it is, well , a difficult train, it is like a journey home, because i come from the estuary, i really want to next year, the train will go through donetsk to mariupol so that you can visit your native places. back from kramatorsk, the train will leave tomorrow for lviv. the railwaymen say

that they did not prepare for the symbolic flight because they have been working in a special way since the first day of the war. everything is as it is, in principle, like any flight, and at present, when the enemy carries out attacks on the infrastructure, the route will somehow be like this , familiar to us, native, so possible demonstrative so that everyone can see that we are always always together, the train of unity has six cars, tickets were sold in advance, ukrainians bought more than half of them we are going home to kramatorsk, we have not been to kramatorsk for almost a year, on march 5 we arrived in uzhhorod, the railway is very convenient, they are almost never late even there , once there minutes, even after the shelling of the railroad brigade, emma's labrador, her task is to improve the mood of passengers and relieve tension, emka will help us cope with this. well, she will very much

like people and thereby change the atmosphere of tension the beginning of the flag of ukraine from rakhov to the still free mariupol svitlana kolbytsia vadym shishkanych ictv facts - the only news and finally ukrainian museums whose walls and expositions were emptied of hidden originals of outstanding works priceless paintings and sculptures and at the beginning of the great war museums had to quickly evacuate their collections and managed to do not all museums in the territories visited under occupation were practically looted, so now the ministry of culture and museum workers are trying to do everything not to lose the rest in the event of a repeated invasions or mass bombings are kept secret, but olga chayko gathered information for the story here, the carpet was hanging in an arbitrary way, here there were large bronze vases in the khanenko museum in the capital , literally empty walls, a collection

of thousands of works of art that were dismantled and securely hidden on february 24. concerts and slides are offered to visitors about the patrons , we approached the tour creatively, we made such shadows on the walls, we worked with the photos we had from the time of the khanenkos , the interiors left these labels works, works, there are no labels, there are the first visitors, the reaction of people was crying, while the museum itself is safe, no, on october 10 , during the shelling in the capital, fragments of rockets fell on the playground directly opposite the institution, which is also a work of art . it's scary to approach your museum at all, they recently inserted windows in the taras shevchenko museum of a priceless collection with originals, kobzar's dinner was no longer there

, it was suddenly hidden even last winter it was a shock for everyone, everyone was not prepared well, luckily there were no instructions, many people were scared , some ran in to guard, some ran to run away, although shevchenko's originals were in a safe city in the museum, they played it safe, all electronic copies were placed in a cloud storage, and printed duplicates of the works were hung on the walls. and after shelling on october 10, there were also such signs, the idea came that you shouldn't replace everything with copies, you can give people a little positivity . museums in the territories that came under occupation from kherson, the barbarians stole everything during the retreat, the berdyansk melitopol museum was devastated in advance, we have to talk not only about the diadem, about the scythian gold, and there were too many exhibits in the melitopol museum today, of course, there are none of them in the territory of melitopol, of course they took everything away our information was taken to crimea, but in fact, where it is located and who

robbed it, we do not know for sure, the historians of the museum in the occupied chernihiv region saved the originals, which they kept in storage in the central regional historical museum in chernihiv only knew how to act in the war in theory, there were no instructions, evacuation was not foreseen, we dismantled the most valuable exhibits from the exposition, we wrapped them, hid them in storage, well, in fact, in those places that we thought would be more reliable, first the most valuable, then the second phase a then we actually removed all the original objects in a row, which in the event of an earthquake could be damaged, the instructions in case of war existed and they come into force with the declaration of martial law, say the duminkults and the attack of the russians was too immediate over mistakes in the department assures that working museum workers are being trained . and the approaches to what ukraine considers cultural heritage have also changed. there are situations when you have to wait for

instructions, er, any instructions, actually . it is not necessary, the spectrum of values ​​turns out to be very diverse. that somewhere it could be scythian gold and somewhere it could be some kind of small postcard but with very important words that all the smerkans of a small town or village have . valuable things will be counted for a long time, instead, the enemy has replenished the collections of our museums with other sad exhibits , this is junk left by the occupiers. and the inscription was brought to chernihiv from the checkpoint in sednev, which was under the occupiers until march. we need it. olga chayko, ihor romankov and oleksiyevchenko appeared ictv facts - the only news we don't need your world, we only need ukraine, we need a peaceful ukraine

glory to ukraine, attention to the total economy regime from 7 to 23 turn off all unnecessary electrical appliances help restore the country's electricity network, your future is in your hands, protect yours, i protect my ukraine , the blue sky, the morning silence of the forest, olya, i protect the culture, tradition, cossack land , i protect the borders of my country, i protect what is important, life, family, mother and father, brothers , wife, i protect my ukraine, we are exactly

those who are an independent ukraine, i defend , i defend, i defend, i defend, because we understand that the most important thing is our wealth, our people, that's why we are happy for every ukrainian and the ukrainians we managed to save, because we know that there is no such thing as a small amount of help and are ready to support to the best of their ability with similar in their shots, the projectile only strengthens our unity and desire for victory, unlike them, we will put up, we will win and refuse

from the ruins of washed-up kimzhi, never ukrainians, and here we stand psychological help to a child during an air alert children always take over the condition of adults therefore it is important to remain calm if the child is nervous explain that it is safe in the shelter and there is no need to be afraid to reduce the level of stress try to occupy the child with moving games you can involve others children who are nearby, do not forbid the child to ask questions or share memories allow him to speak and show emotions and after that calm the child down tell us about the strength of our army and the victory of our state now there are children's tales about the air defense of ukraine under no circumstances raise your voice i congratulate you today the guest of our studio is the former head of naftogaz ukraine and the founder of the new

energy company eney andriykobolev i congratulate you mr. andriy, good day we will talk to you in february literally in two weeks before the end of winter, a winter that scared us a lot, er, some kind of winter, russia said that europe would freeze, ukraine would freeze looking back at all these dark times and crush the energy infrastructure. what do you think this war, which is still going on in our country, should teach us in terms of energy, first of all i i think that the main lesson from this winter should be learned primarily by europe and collective action , the lesson that ukraine learned in the 15th year that in fact russia can and should be replaced in the matter of energy supplies, and this

winter proved that it is possible to do it. demonstrated how standard rules and well-known things of network management, first of all the power grid, safety margins are important, she proved that our team at both ukrenergo and oblenergo are actually heroes who know how to do crazy cool and very important things, but we actually knew this before that, to be honest, we rather, they demonstrated it and gave a lesson to the whole world , mr. andrii, but it was in the fall and summer, when we were preparing for this terrible winter, that the government was preparing just in time and said that gas will be expensive , there will be no gas, buy firewood, insulate the windows insulate the doors, this is all correct in principle, but as this winter showed. and by the way, you said that burning gas in the winter would be unprofitable, so look better in the direction of electric heating, but this winter showed that many have gas and saved my mother's small private house, all on electric heating and she eats saved firewood and my son and daughter, that is, me and my brother , it turns out that this winter gas remains

a reliable source of energy, right? gas really remains nowhere for russians. who did more a, but i think it is very important to single out the work of the nuclear power engineers themselves this winter, after all, without them , central heating would not have existed if there were no three energies. contribution but without nuclear energy for our country this winter would be much more difficult than it turned out to be in general we must thank the energy workers and i, the nuclear energy workers, we will talk about nuclear energy later let's finish with gas or should we develop domestic there is a lot of talk about production that it is very expensive, the reserves are very large, how good is the potential of domestic gas production and

is it worth it , how much should we do it? are located in licensed areas and depths that were not sufficiently studied before, especially in soviet times. they require a more qualitative study of 3d modeling for this, the state should open access to the license, which until recently was severely limited and after that. after a detailed study, we will be able to decide what exactly and when did you start extracting from the fact that the main lesson of this war is to replace russia as the main energy supplier in the world, asia has long turned russia's oil into a weapon , but as practice shows, this is also the curse of moscow that's right europe quickly reoriented itself, we persevered. as you can imagine, it turns out that the russian bigwigs from gazprom again miscalculated so badly. i

think that the ukrainian team played a big role in their miscalculation, we systematically and very we have long explained in the west why gas and oil are weapons, we explained how it can be fought, we explained that nord stream-2 is a trojan horse, we warned that its launch could become one of the factors in accelerating full-scale military aggression, and unfortunately, our predictions unfortunately, they turned out to be fair, but at the same time we explained to the europeans and the west that it is possible and necessary to abandon russian energy, it needs to be replaced preferably with clean energy and accelerate the green transition , and we began to be heard, so i would not say that it is straight stupidity. is this a war, an energy war? which cream will obviously lose, and if now naftogaz is under

a big blow and we read articles about another large deficit of the state budget of the russian federation, which is precisely the consequence of sanctions and work against the russian energy industry , because it is the main filler of the russian budget, but we still approached the most important concept , tell me. that's how we approached it. and here is the west that is thinking about it, and we are actively convincing the west that it is necessary to kill the sacred cow putin why is this machine taking so long because there are too many interests, too many people have been making money from it for too long, it's too convenient , it's too comfortable and when you tell them that it's impossible to win a war against russia, it doesn't stir their economy, which feeds on this sacred cow so if this cow is still alive it will be very difficult for us they are impossible but very difficult but if this sacred cow ceases to live due to sanctions due to

restrictions then the russian economy will collapse and then our victory will become much faster i i just want to ask about the sanctions literally on february 5, the european union and the big seven introduced this new ceiling on russian oil products 100% on russian dollars. sorry about russian diesel and 45 on various oils. and they also want to revise the ceiling on russian crude oil, now it is trading at $60 . i.e. sources of funding as we see russia's wars in ukraine they are decreasing but agree the margin of safety is still there do you think these embargo sanctions are working how productive are they already working partially answered this question, if we look at the budget ref, we see that there is a deficit, but i repeat, we need to achieve a long-term effect, a long-term effect is an irreversible replacement of russian energy, we need that russian gas is not supplied to europe for the next 20-30 years, and it is possible that we need it too to do with oil and we need to start attacking

the last outpost, the most closed, the most corrupt, is nuclear energy, russia as a supplier of nuclear solutions for a large number of countries. well, for example, hungary yes, because of this, he corrupts european officials, there are many examples of this, we need to stop this last one as well. this is a small hook , but it sits very deep and it touches the most delicate and most important organs of the european system. now we will talk about nuclear sanctions, but you do not mention what is still there the countries that still buy gas and russian oil from russia are brazil, china , these are huge countries, india is a huge market and they sell their energy there . it is much less important because we first of all need to support the coalition of the western world and, moreover, we know that the western countries pay

the russians much more from one power plant than china, the prices at which gazprom sells gas to china are many times lower than those at which it sells gas in europe, and if the european market is closed, the prices in china will be even lower , that is, this elephant must be eaten with spades first. of the nuclear power industry of russia, first of all, why was it done so late? but again, we all know that the west has not yet introduced sanctions against rosatom, because we know that they are still selling equipment there for the disposal of enriched uranium, that is, a lot of connected with these chains. why hasn't the west adopted sanctions yet? when will they be adopted and why did we do it so late? we did it. i think that the issue of ukraine is the most complex structure here, which also takes into account the military factor

of the zaporizhia nuclear power plant, that is, we had to be predictable for the event, and i think that the ukrainian authorities pay a lot of attention to this, and this is true. i completely agree with this because we are partners and we and our partner must go hand in hand . - and for example, when ukraine at one time switched to a -a foreign fuel from the company vesting house and refused fuel from russian rosatom, everything caused , among other things, many questions in the west. and how do you do it? i very often took part in last year, in the conversations about why germany cannot keep the nuclear plant in operation, and the explanations they all heard were actually uh-huh spheres. we are afraid that the bureaucracy does not allow us. and how can we explain this to someone, that is , technically, everything is possible, but from the point of view

of the procedures for the bureaucracy - it's scary, although we did it and many other countries are doing it now, that is, they refuse russian fuel and continue the operation of their stations on other fuel, for example, but this inertia is, on the one hand, explained by the peculiarities of the atomic energy industry. who is afraid and him as a country, unfortunately, with chernobyl, we know how scary it can be . and this gives many officials the opportunity to hide behind such a thing. thank you, it's a danger, it's very serious and that's why let's go later let's go later let's go later let's go hard let's not touch and there are many examples when it is because of this that later the russians push corruption through atomic energy, that is, they demonstrate the opportunity for someone to make money in

europe because of their corrupt approach more than they can do it by working with western companies, this is what needs to be attacked now and this last outpost of russian corruption in europe needs to be eliminated if this is done. i think that the influence of the russians will not fly , for example, the ability to prove them by the same mr. orban whom they keep as such a crow who constantly attacks ukraine with russian narratives, he doesn’t do it just like that, he does it because he has a pragmatic interest because of oil, gas, and nuclear power, it must be stopped, right now there is a struggle between whether to write down nuclear power energy in the list of industries eh ecofree ecofriendly yes and it seems like literally right now it has to be solved somewhere nuclear energy does not seem to emit two well it almost does not emit o2 yes and how do you think who will win in this fight i myself knew more about the thesis of the winner and now

working a lot with people in the field of energy, i constantly talk about the fact that you guys lose the competition to us gas workers because of the fact that you are too scientific . there should be a little smarter and wiser, but how did they lose to this oil and gas, we all understand that we need to abandon co2 emissions , that's right, we say ok, and we need to remove the most harmful ones. let 's remove coal. and what will we replace coal with until it grows gives out and everyone says no, nuclear energy is not suitable - this is dangerous. and at this time, it turns out that gas is automatically replaced and the gas companies win this competition, so there is no need to fight for nuclear power, just to have them there they admitted that they will remain 100% in such and such an amount, no

, they will not need it, so that if we replace coal or other sources , at first it should be done with nuclear energy or only with nuclear energy. give gas to play the whole priority role because from the point of view of the russians, for example, they taught how to play in europe much better than anyone , they blocked the development of this industry in austria , for example, this is a very well-known fact, they through lobbying through the development of tourist attacks are blocking the development of this industry in many other countries, if you look at the promises of the russians, how quickly he started to submit a nuclear power plant in turkey, the budget has been exceeded by many times the deadline has been exceeded by many times the station is still not there, but the russians are profitable because they supply gas at the same time and what the turks do not understand in my opinion it is a big surprise that while they are delaying the construction of the station, they continue to buy russian gas and it is profitable for the russians

, first nuclear and then gas if this ideology can be approved by the nuclear industry fix politicians in the cities, then she will be able to win, so i understand that you are now in the group of those who will be in this fight and also play a big role. i read recently that you announced the start of renewable energy projects , the company aeneas, which i mentioned, first plans to invest in energy decarbonization projects as i understand it, there are many directions , several directions, one of which is the production of nuclear reactors of a new type and energy storage facilities, that is, a person who was engaged in oil and gas will now be involved. i understand, leads, restores energy, including nuclear, tell me a little about this project. 25 i will tell you about its ideology , and we started the project itself in the summer of 2021 , and we thought that ukraine was the most attractive springboard in eastern europe for the development of

decarbonized energy because of the simple the reason is that we have a very high level of emissions, this is otut er-e in the frontal gas. supply of energy to europe, what does this mean, it means that europe should switch to other sources, these sources should ideally be free of greenhouse gas emissions and they should not come from russia, the conditions are very important, and this, in my opinion, opens up a unique chance for ukraine to become that place where these sources can be located, i will say right away that i am such a cautious hydrogen pessimist. i still do not fully believe this idea , but i very much believe that it leads to the idea of ​​an atomic renaissance, and here the idea that we currently offer

to our partners is not so much and not just to talk about some new reactors on the important what do we call micromines medium large it doesn't matter the first thing we have to do is we have to our niche in the component supply segment ukraine has a large number of factories that know how to do advanced things that are needed in the nuclear industry all over the world if we will be able to make an envelope for ourselves first - these are the components we will be able to help start the economy before the end of the great war and this is very important because to win the war we only need to kill we need putin's sacred cow and we need to support our cow , our economy must be supported and developed, therefore the idea of ​​starting productions and presenting them to western vendors is now critically important. will it be sources or will it be chaos there

or will it be nu scale or will it be some other name for us it is not important for us we need to become the place where they can quickly launch efficiently and safely and work ecologically and bring benefits to our economy. we have supporters. you support me. i made an important conclusion for myself from my previous career. i want to do it in the private sector. i would not like it to be the same. the public segment, the private segment has its great advantages, this is primarily transparency , this is speed, this is efficiency. i think that the private segment can become a very high-quality , interesting competitor in this direction, as well as our western partners, and maybe somehow state companies in ukraine, and it is this open and transparent competition that, in my opinion, will benefit the entire ukrainian economy. and you also previously told me that there

were also interested in the production of biogas, yes, there is such a project, we are currently discussing it, it just made the scale much larger smaller than what i was talking about before, but no less interesting, yes, i think that the first biogas production projects that have already been launched in ukraine can be considered relatively successful, but there are very few of them. there are very few of them, of course, because this requires a number of conditions - this is primarily access to cheap capital during the war and this is precisely the advantage that our company can currently provide to our partners in ukraine. we have now received such access. in addition to this access, we also need to ensure or try to help ensure, as he correctly said , the stability of regulation in ukraine because, in addition to capital, we need stable conditions if the first and second unite. we

will be able to do exactly this in this direction . billions of dollars and everyone remembers this. please tell me if ukraine will be able to successfully make russia pay for all the losses and events of the war. i am sure that yes, i know that many professional people are working on this and i am sure that after our victories, russia will pay for everything. i could be wrong, but as far as i understand, you are part of some commissions, maybe some lombard wars of no commission, but using my experience. having a formal position gives me the opportunity to meet easily, speak openly and promote those ideas that are useful for ukraine

, your experience. well, let's put it this way, in addition to experience, i think it's important that our team, i'm not alone, i've earned considerable authority for the previous 8 years ago, because we relatively qualitatively predicted how events in the european gas market and the global energy market would develop. well, for example, in the 14th year, when we said that we would come to the impossivation from europe, a large number of commissioners and commissions told us no, this it is impossible to forget it is unrealistic and there and now we will explain how we will do it and we did it in the same way when, for example, we did albanling we explained how to do it correctly in ukraine in the same way when we took with the northern stream-2 we said that it is for you russia will be a scumbag and a sanzharmago, and russia will pull you like a little ace every day so that actually, there was only one strong surge, they blew it up and stopped its work, therefore, on the basis of this very authority