[000:00:00;00] half of this component, i.e. the cost of wagons, grain is delivered to the ukrainian ports of greater odesa in most cases by wagons and trains of ukrzaliznytsia . obviously, this is exactly the problem. and how about you, as a person who is engaged in this business? well, after all , it is a huge delta. sorry, well, more than 30% losses, what needs to be changed then? well, before the war, delta was $20 per ton, now it is $100 or more. and it is obvious that here we need to really think about how to reduce logistics costs - this applies primarily to ukrzaliznytsia the cost of wagons and so on, and the second thing is that we need to talk with our partners again about how we can make sure that the cost of transportation from the ports of odessa to other countries is cheaper, here there is already a question about uh, uh, uh, a large amount

ships on large surveyors transportation ships and so on there are a lot of different questions about insurance before insurance there are a lot of questions here and as far as i know our colleagues from the government are already working on this thank you very much alex for alex lisiv's comments are the general director of the agricultural company and the mk, that's right , they finally found out about belarus. let's seriously remind you that nataliya radina is joined by the belarusian journalist ms. natalya we congratulate you good afternoon the spokesman of the russian dictator putin dmytro piskov said the day before that the meeting of the two dictators is scheduled for today, friday 17:00

he did not tell about the format of the negotiations and the issues that will be discussed, what are the expectations, and what can lukashenko bring from that meeting for belarus and not only , what are the expectations of a meeting with hitler, it is quite obvious that it will be discussed е attack е-е on ukraine а-а the use of belarusian territory by the belarusian army а-а for this attack, that is, because it is absolutely obvious that this is the main thing. the topic will be a meeting . yes, there will be some economic questions. rather related to what lukashenko will receive in exchange for continuing his aggression against ukraine and helping russia in this war well, what do you think he is claiming and what he wants to get in return and how much do you think this can change the situation on the field before the battle, we had a military expert who said, well, there are 15,000 combat-ready armed forces

of belarus, but this is unlikely to change the state of affairs even if russia opens a second and third front, there is an eastern, southern and northern front - it will only increase the length of the line front, but it will not give special successes in special events for the russian army, please, look at the training of russian servicemen who are currently on all practical military training grounds in belarus , tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, have been trained on the territory of belarus recently russian military personnel who later went to the donbass in the zaporozhye kherson region , the same tactics are still being used .

this is discussed, this indicates the deployment of the iskander s300 and s400 missile systems in the homer region, there is information that the launch of iranian shahidah drone missiles will continue on the territory of ukraine, and the possibility of attracting belarusian special operations forces to of direct participation in this war , the belarusian servicemen themselves say that in the next month or so, it is possible to send belarusian comrades through russia again to luhansk donetsk ms. natalya of the zaporozhye region, how did belarus itself perceive this statement with lukashenko's spoon about the fact that the belarusian army will join the russian war only in the event of a direct attack on belarus ? has been participating in this war for a long time, at least by serving and training the russians mobilized on the territory of belarus

, as well as servicing the same missile systems and aircraft that today fled ukraine, and what lukashenko said. poroshenko's first time he says never this means that it will be soon yes if lukashenko is talking about what will be uh-uh the answer is that there are any provocations from ukraine but he also says that he is ready at any time to use the russian army for attacks on ukraine, it is quite obvious that there were no provocations from the ukrainian side and there cannot be any, but to justify this step, to justify this step, a part of the belarusian army and the rider will be used. any provocation that will definitely be organized by the russian side i remember, but how do you generally assess the reaction of belarusian society to what is happening in ukraine, to the participation of belarus in this

war, although indirectly and possibly directly, or properly? i have known you for a long time. there were in such a vanguard of the democratic movement in belarus why are there so few sober belarusian voices in this history and if they are heard, they are heard mainly from abroad in belarus, are there belarusians themselves? now there are people who are ready to somehow express one's civic position regarding this war , isn't everything left, please? under normal conditions, an arrest occurs every day yes, that is, i monitor constantly, er, the information of human rights defenders, every day in belarus , 10-15 people are restored. yes, that is, it

has been happening for two half a year ago, and i theorized that the war in ukraine had intensified first, that is, well, first of all, it is very definitely a means of fearing lukashenko , he perfectly understands that the absolute majority of belarusians and his hatred are not pleasant to his regime, and naturally they oppose the war in ukraine that is , there is no such big support, uh , that's why, nevertheless, the repression of us is only strong , control over society is so strict that it says well, today it is practically impossible to work, yes, people are trying to show themselves some signs are written somewhere a-a um just tie a yellow er blue ribbon a-and somewhere they write no war er somewhere distribute leaflets this all happens in

in belarus, unfortunately, the scope of the repression is so big that it is difficult to do it on the street at some kind of mass demonstration, because it is immediately on the shoulders of arrests, and unfortunately, even the killing of demonstrators is possible because the relevant laws have been adopted. - well, what is your attitude to the position of the so-called government in exile? i would say him, he is called differently there, he is called me, svitlana tikhanovskaya, they appealed to president zelenskyi with a request to recognize them as the legitimate government of belarus, because president lukashenko is not recognized by ukraine as laws, the president of belarus and his government are claiming leadership, so to speak in this tableau of the belarusian opposition, well, it’s true we from zno for a while seem to have included yes and he there thinks that this government of tikhonovsky is one of the departments of russian gazprom , different positions, what is your position, what is yours the attitude towards the belarusian opposition

in general, and in particular the leadership of it is svitlana tikhonovskaya, please, you know, i don’t consider svetlana tikhonovskaya to be a leader of the democratic forces, because no one chose her with the same leader, not at any democratic congress moreover, the democratic forces did not nominate her as a candidate for president in 2020. yes, in 2020 , the majority of belarusians voted for svetlana chekanovskaya. a figure that turned out to be in no way connected with the power of the army, that is, well, it is perfectly obvious that they voted for her in no way for the future president, but for a person who said that if he wins the elections , he will immediately hold a new free democratic election with the participation of all worthy presidential candidates and today what is happening in immigration is what is the situation of kanovskaya, who

has never been in politics before, she has never been involved in it, and i myself admit that she was not interested until 2020, and the people who surround her, that's it these are ambitions for knighthoods. yes, that is. well, they cause skibtsism, because in 2.5 years this company has shown that it is not capable of organizing anything, moreover , everything was done so that in belarus , democracy was destroyed. the movement missed a huge number of opportunities that we had back in the 20s and in the 21st year before the introduction of russian troops into the territory of belarus, mr. natalya, but over the last year, the mood of belarusians has somehow changed the full-scale war of russia against ukraine cardinally according to your observations as sozreniya i do not hear your question over the last year somehow the mood of belarusians has changed radically and the attitude towards russia has been freed

by russia with its invasion of ukraine well, and the role of russia in belarus here, well, of course , russian troops will be placed in the fact that they conduct themselves quite freely on the territory of belarus enough a-a pakharskie yes, just like the president in all the territories, this is also the eyes of love of the exact neighbor, here of course in the country and to the regime itself, the army is married, and this , i think, in the end can lead to to some serious protests, it's a different matter that this energy is accumulating and at a certain moment, i think that this is the cover of this, and another question . returning to the opposition , whether united or not, do you remember and what then it is clear that sooner or later the known war will end and well, i am sure that putin is already approaching his finale, and then

after putin's finale, well, russia will figure it out , we will probably deal with it ukraine and our western partners there, what to do with it next and what to do with belarus, will it not work out so that now the opposition, which is divided, will not be able to fully return to belarusian politics , because well, all the same, time is needed, and then a compromise figure for the west, for ukraine , for russia, i don't know for u - for conditional winners it will be the same lukashenko again, who will repent and say, i'm sorry, i didn't fight directly, they forced me to bail, but i 'll be with you now and i'll do everything and it doesn't matter what belarus needs to be governed look, there's no one else but me and that will be well it is possible that the truth will continue to be a compromising figure of lukashenko. what do you think of such and such a story? look, lukashenko is a criminal , yes, lukashenko is guilty of mass

repressions and mass arrests of people in belarus. today , there are 5-6,000 people in prison in prisons. these are probably minimal numbers there. that in fact there can be much more, and lukashenko is a war criminal, because precisely because of his decision on the territory of belarus , russian troops were introduced into ukraine in february 22 and within a year what the ukrainian territory is constantly bombarded with midron missiles. lukashenko trains russian military personnel on his territory. tell me. in this situation , ukraine will forgive lukashenko. this is very much . there will be an international memorial, one of which will depend on belarus. from the position of ukraine, that is, i hope that the authorities of ukraine will not forgive lukashenko for participating in this criminal war that

putin is waging against your country today, therefore. the question is whether the belarusian oppositionists who are currently outside the country will be able to quickly return to the country and become popular for voters who still have to vote for them or whether you are now recognized in your homeland or they know about you and support your position there, that's the question we're going to make you believe that the real leaders of belarus are in belarusian prisons today, and if the situation changes - these people will be released and it will be a completely different political situation by completely different political players once again, secondly, to return to belarus, our real heroes who are fighting in ukraine today, in ukraine, these are belarusian volunteers who are currently under fire , here are hundreds of belarusians who are fighting in their regiment in the name of kostus kalinovskogo edu and other belarusian units that

are in various parts of the armed forces of ukraine , that is, these people will also be, i am sure, actors of belarusian political life. well, the most important thing is if you are talking about the direction false answer country in order for what is the fruit of free democracy to develop, it certainly seems to me that it is necessary to immediately announce the desire to join the european union nato because there is no second politician in belarus if we want this from russian influence it will always be because it is a big country in the neighborhood with a small one we need a-a a senator joins the european union together with ukraine well, the question was already asked. elections to the belarusians, tikhanovskaya turned to putin and said, "you are a wise politician. help us deal with lukashenka because he is a scoundrel. and you are a wise one. this is the one

who narrated the appeals to russia as a fair judge in belarus. now things have changed. what do you think, at least in the opposition, i am no longer i'm talking about all the people there. well, you know the words and the constant appeal to the wise putin , yes lukashenko criticizes tikhonovsky not only the ukrainians criticize the belarusians themselves, the attitude towards russia has changed a lot since the beginning of this war, in general it changed in 2020 when the belarusians saw that putin supported the dictator lukashenko, and in general, the situation itself was able to hold on to power only thanks to the support of the kremlin, but the war has already worsened this mistrust , so this is the mood in general i like it today because people have already started to look at and understand the trident, eh, these threats that have been constantly emanating are eh, from russia, eh, for the eyes

, from the belarusian economy . russia's war against ukraine for belarusians, do they now have other problems, which are the biggest? no, the economic problems are huge there, because of lukashenko's incompetent management, of course, who was killed for all the years of his administration, if the system of sanctions, which are currently in the west in relation to belarus, that is, the problem is quite serious , that is, there is, of course, there is a huge increase in prices, a drop in wages, and here there is a massive reduction in enterprises, a catastrophic situation, by the way , in medicine, that is, there is simply not enough doctors, that is, there are huge queues today waiting for the ghost of an operation. it is a very difficult situation. people with serious chronic diseases are there

. there is an abundance of imported drugs. that is the situation of medicine today. belorussia after 2020, that is, in general, of course, from belarus, it only turns on here, and well. in this situation , of course, it’s very sorry for the people. but you need to understand that it is only изве человека александрук 1 well, trust in the media that is in belarus now, how big is the influence of russian propaganda tv channels of other means of communication, or is this attitude changing towards what people hear and see from russian tv channels , please. not so strong. how is this happening in russia, yes, that is, belarus

, part of it is read by independent media, i read it quite actively, we can see it simply according to statistics, there are already sites of charter 97 and the editor of which i am read a million человек беларусы ех хочу влючение российской пагаганды есть of course, this must be taken into account. thank you, ms. natalya nataliya radina, a belarusian journalist, was our guest, and oleksia goncharenko , a people's deputy of ukraine from germany , joins us. the conference, what will i talk about, what is already known , what are the details ? in fact, it has already started and events are already taking place, and well, the main topic is the war, of course, everyone is against ukraine, obviously , the representation of the usa is very powerful here

, represented by the vice president and 30 senators , almost a third of the entire us senate, well, i don’t remember that french president macron of course, chancellor scholls just spoke with the leadership of bavaria , er, and yes. well, of course, there are many german politicians. and in europe, well, all the top, all the leadership of the european union and so on, that's why for us , of course, this is a very important platform for that in order to promote ukrainian issues in order to raise the issue of arms supply and speeding it up, if we talk about security, what is the key to security in the world, today is the victory of ukraine, and for this we must do everything. it happens, of course, you can’t miss it either. maksym well, they say that in june, the head of the permanent delegation of ukraine to the upa voiced proposals for our

partners regarding the mechanism of bringing the russians to criminal responsibility for war crimes, which ukraine will offer will propose a special tribunal at the munich conference, he wrote, we insist on the creation of a special tribunal, as it was in nuremberg or as it was in yugoslavia with milosevic , so that everyone bears responsibility. are you familiar with this proposal? what is the attitude of the western partners to this initiative? well, i'm not just an acquaintance, it all started in the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, which we worked on , which resolutions were adopted by the tribunal. that's right, and the tribunal for the crime of aggression against putin, lukashenka and everyone, all these gangs, and that's why of course we are promoting this topic at the munich security competition - it is important to raise well , the difficulty here is that we understand with you that

before the nuremberg scrapper tribunal was held, berlin was taken and imagine the nuremberg tribunal. when hitler is in berlin , the jewish chancellery would certainly be difficult. we have a certain problem with this at the moment . only a question of justice and responsibility for criminals, but it is also a question of political pressure, so that the laurels as well as in which one are there and where is he going to zimbabwe? we see that when he goes to the ministry of foreign affairs in hungary, he goes to see lukashenka. well, this is actually an attempt to return to the old way of communication and business. this is what we are talking about in europe. and therefore, of course, such

the tribunal is also very necessary from this point of view and of course we work it everywhere at all venues and we will do it of course youtube p oleksiyu you probably already started talking with invited guests there you like to talk to the press as well what are people saying now what are their moods are changing according to your observations, well, it is obvious that everyone there supports the victory of ukraine, but we need to talk and explain that we should not be afraid of defeat and possibly the collapse of the federation by russia , this is the topic of what kind of russian empire in the form of the russian federation. what is it called today? and this is a topic that needs to be promoted, that needs to be explained , that needs to be talked about. and by the way, they react very nervously to this. and just a couple of days ago, there was a hatz-anesian conference, it is one of the most influential , one pace of the american and well i connected

to you online from ukraine there, and so the topic was the collapse of the russian federation. well , i didn’t speak. literally a few hours later, lavrov said what does it mean that they are discussing us, the collapse called me a ukrainian professor for some reason. well in principle, compared to them, yes, although of course i do not have a scientific degree yet, but you can see what they have in them. it just causes terrible hysteria . that is why this topic must definitely be promoted. this is how oleksiy addresses himself, and he came to ask e-e press western european and american now what are the main topics about the situation in ukraine what is happening there on the ground this is the first topic , the second topic - this is, of course, as we see victory and this must be constantly explained and repeated that we must change every centimeter of our territory because this is the only

guarantee of the return of the world order or any other schedule is the destruction of the world order . so, thank you oleksiy goncharenko, the example of ukraine in germany and directly from there to us, and the espresso tv channel will broadcast the official opening of the munich conference, it is scheduled for 2:30 p.m. and it should start everything well, maybe there will be a little delay, zelensky’s speech will be announced, the planned macron and scholz have been announced , so stay with us well, interesting information from the gur , ukrainian intelligence officers are exchanging russian priests for ukrainian prisoners who are in russian captivity to help return a hundred ukrainian defenders from russian captivity the ukrainian

side handed over to the russians a churchman , a collaborator of the ukrainian orthodox church of the so-called moscow patriarchate , andriy yusuv said about this, he said yesterday that to return our boys at the request of that side and with his own consent, one collaborator was handed over, a so-called cleric of the moscow patriarchate who helped the occupiers, leaked various information , helped hold the so-called n elections, russia invited him, they invited him for an exchange, ukraine did not object, he himself was only for it it helped to bring our defenders home, the work was very long, according to our colleagues from ukrainian pravda, it is about the abbot of the kazan parish of the horliv diocese of the ukrainian orthodox church churches of the so-called moscow patriarchate in the village of yaravali of the mai community of the donetsk region. his name is mykola zirka. well, imagine who you can trade pasha mercedes for, for example, how many

ukrainian prisoners, if you negotiate well with the russians, the history of fur coats that were given to widows, but in fact just for photos later they took away their continuation in the russian name and not at home. in general , they simply took women from matyukivka and stole them in kherson, as with the rest, later it turned out that these same fur coats were in the russian tuve family of the occupier they thanked me with a humiliating gift, they gave me a pack of pelmeni for my dead son, they came from the military unit, local officials brought a gift to the new year , they celebrate it there on february 17 according to their lunar calendars, the usa, this calendar is called the hague , that's what they gave to the mother of three sons. one already gave his life it is not known why , having come to ukraine with a sword, one still fights, uh, mom gave uh, uh, a pack of pelmeni

. well, you know that one. it was just that they found kozhut, his last name was changed, the nkvd, when they issued passports, they said that we had enough of uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, let's do some more, because everyone was uh, uh, in his village, and this is shoigu's homeland, and it's interesting that in tuva itself , they had such an uh, subidei such a general is one of genghis khan's generals, he was a tuvan himself when , in the 12th century, genghis khan bought half of eurasia, by the way, he was the bloodiest general, he killed 40 million people then, that was more than 10% of the entire world population , genghis khan killed him and his generals like that one of the smarts was a brawler, he himself was from tuvan, and now the official people, the professors, have created such a legend, they say that some page that is there is a reincarnation of baader's idea, and this is all

mentioned at the official level, it is written in his museum where he was born in a small town , i don't remember what it's called, his coat hangs there, it means his, well, it's such a small cult of personality there, the books give out that it's a reincarnation of himself, where is baadira, but just like eh well, once upon a time, genghis khan and himself ideas of badir although kyiv was captured, but still in the time interval not for long, this chinese copy of this so-called baadyr did not even manage to do so and it was captured only there , the unfortunate one single regional center of happy kherson and that very briefly, only for a few months. well, i think why do we have such neighbors? tell me, please, where do we have neighbors? well, this is some sort of complex , multi-layered, multi-colored russian bridge, well, that’s something later, i wonder what’s on the tour. i

was just dealing with this question, what’s even there there is no railway, can you imagine there is no railway? there, in the 12th year of sam, putin killed them, they laid 20 m of railway track, and putin himself killed this castile, silver castile with a sledgehammer at how many degrees rosi, 11 years have passed in the entire railway, avtovitak, and still there is no railway connection at all, that’s better with the money they spent here, they killed their people and spent so much money on equipment for missiles and tanks, they would have built their own railways in the middle of the 21st century. well, meanwhile, russians are massively switching to the use of cars because sanctions about cars against the auto inspection of ukraine yes, passives here, friends are reporting about it well, it's a choice, it's a civilizational choice, who chooses to bury children, eat dumplings and wear fur coats or give away fur coats in silence to be under the yoke of yehor chicherina, maybe again the last five hours and now we will and