[000:00:00;00] just beat with the use of firearms. when such plans fail, you know, then he always lets in his secret killers, let's say, poisoners, and this is the group of people who exterminated, let's say, the elite of the opposition movement in russia, representatives of the mass media, but also carried out such measures from abroad and such examples are known to the world and you know that it is lytvynenko and the violinists who are still under investigation by the khm, let's say an attempt on the life of the candidate for the presidency at the time, the candidate for the presidency viktor andriyovych, that's why not exclude that such things they may be attempts to carry out and these measures must be all for everything that touches the personal security

of our leadership must be constantly at a high level. his own life and that is why he just disappears somewhere for certain periods of time, they say that there are his doubles, that he tries as much as possible to protect himself from contact with any environment, what do you know about it, do putin’s doubles really exist, how can they be distinguish because in one of the interviews you talked about it and it's very simple sergey if we look at the footage of putin's communication with his immediate circle and people that is, it's a long long table and a large distance between them and further putin we see during some events there the pressure on the hand is among the people there, they are talking about something like a visit to volgograd or events that are related to some, well, let's say protocol things about these things, when putin says nothing at all, he doesn't worry at all and there are

people who are as similar as possible to putin, putin and they are used by his security services precisely to enable assassination attempts on him or, let's say, to get some kind of, let's say, viral disease, which can undermine the already weak state of health of the russian dictator. the civilian population, let's remember bucha irpin there, the dnipro, any cities where weapons are actually used to destroy children and women and civilians. and actually, the main directorate of intelligence even regularly prepares lists of these russian

military units, including russian officers, who are involved in certain crimes, on the one hand, we are talking about what we are doing there. the fact that we should resort to active actions and demonstratively punish those russians, those military commanders in russia who are involved precisely in the killing of our civilian population, what is your opinion on this matter? do we have mechanisms, methods of action on the territory the enemy, which will be echoed by the fact that we will find and publicly punish these soldiers involved in such crimes. well, old man, today ukraine is trying to renew control over our occupied territories , that is, to throw this entire russian horde abroad , but the end of military operations will mean only a formal part of the ukrainian victory complete

victory , the next thing will happen when the putin regime is destroyed. that is, it will be postponed putin just as he hated and will not hate our state and our existence and he will only use hybrid means to continue fighting from ukraine and prevent us from becoming successful to be among our friends there in the european union or among nato member countries and in this context, it is definitely important for us to understand that the war will not stop. it will simply move to a more hidden level, and it is important for us to realize that destroying putin's regime is possible in order to build a successful ukraine and ukraine will never give up, let's say, its duty to punish those responsible for those victims, for that death of the civilian population

, children and women, as well as all citizens who died or were injured as a result of this war, and if it is possible to bring them to international responsibility through the creation of the international court of justice will not give the desired consequences, because russia is putin's russia . the putin regime that will still rule refused to issue them, as we can see from the results of the meeting of the international criminal court of asia on the downing of the mh17, more than 300 civilians died in the east of our country, so ukraine reserves the right to find these people and bring them to justice, let's say , or if possible, to be on the territory of ukraine for the administration of justice or in case of on the possibility of such cases, take all the necessary measures so

that they are punished, that's right now, and i'll add . of course, in this situation, we can use the experience of amosad, who successfully conducted such operations. you know this is one of the operations, when was it after the munich olympics, and they conducted a special operation gnism to punish those terrorists who carried out this terrible tract, did you mention what will happen let's say the movie will be a certain period when the perception of russia will take place after the war, but here there is something that i have a question about what should the image of our victory actually look like. because there are such systemic complications here , on the one hand, some people say that we should reach the turn of the year 91 and this will actually be our victory, but then

we actually understand that the enemy is simply retreating to on its territory there, it licks its wounds and prepares for a new war because the worst thing that can happen with russia is rather not a war for us, but even such a truce, and other experts and politicians, including ukrainian politicians, say that in fact our victory is actually the disintegration of the russian federation as such, so that these fragments of the russian empire do not pose a threat to ukraine itself , first of all, now the munich security conference will be held there, just one of the issues, it is precisely the prospect of a new world order there and then the question arises: do our western and american partners actually support this vision of ours that we need to achieve the disintegration of the russian federation as the basis for a secure

existence, primarily of ukraine, in your opinion. i believe that if we look at history , there were two models until now, for example, the first model is the occupation by the partner countries, let's say, of western germany, and then they completely disbanded let's say its political forces and the regime was changing. that is, it is through occupation or leading troops on the territory and achieving a complete victory . or the second option is what we discussed today , that is, ukraine enters its borders in 1991 and from then on, let's say it exists since the regime that is here and the second scenario option is already revolutionary inside russia but for this the necessary conditions must be created there and from now on i understand that there must be a military front on skis but there must be

a cultural front against russia and i would also like to say that today we will say yes the possibilities for such a-ah revolutionary changes inside russia they are already born why because we can imagine when the hostilities end and are deceived by russian propaganda and these mobs or mobilized people return back and they are no longer those we will say so peaceful citizens and these are people who have gained combat experience have access to weapons and they are already united among themselves, here there is already an association of businessmen and, let's say , simple peasants there from some villages or small towns all over the territory i am also interested in the question of russia. and what is the place in these, well, let’s say there zed zed maidans inside russia will be occupied by modern

russian liberal positionists or will they find a place already in this z-maidan ? it seems to me that you are probably somewhat ideally suited to the future of the russian federation because for with such a scheme, conditionally speaking , then it is important for putin not to end the war before the formats and in a protracted nature, and the longer the war lasts, the more putin remains in power, because there is such a firm goal around which it is possible to build there. all sorts of things in the russian federation itself, to cancel elections, to suppress liberal movements, and actually what is the russian government doing right now, doesn’t it mean something, giving such a version of the development of events that you offer, as you offer, in fact, we after all, we are postponing the next stage of escalation already after

our victory, leaving this country existing in such a format as it exists now. views in us the truth is that then it really is well actually tame will never succeed with you and he will never come to terms with defeat in ukraine and he will fight with us militarily until the last of his mobilized and we need to realize this and understand whether the turning point of the war even after our capabilities are reached there, everything else putin will not change, well, he will not stop, and we need to prepare for the fact that he is going to strengthen , recruit, carry out the next waves of mobilization and throw everything at the defense of his regime because the defeat of the war will mean a record in those and things we said it will be the defeat of his regime and removal from power eh now literally rammstein ended this week

and there were eh interesting statements of eh high officials in particular the same general secretary nato says that there is a window of opportunity for ukraine and a chance to change the situation in its favor, then the washington post is published, which says that the biden administration is telling the authorities in ukraine that a decisive moment is coming that can change the course of the war. categories, the decisive moment, the window of opportunity , what do you think it is about ? capabilities of the western world, let's say higher economic but technical superiority, weapons, they and they are obvious

resources of russia, they are even despite the fact that this country has a lot of natural resources , they are not unlimited and although the human resource in russia today, he really allows putin to conduct several waves of mobilization there and to restore his capabilities, but the military defeat will be connected with the superiority of western weapons, and today you know that in a day the enemy loses only in the bakhmut direction. imagine from 350 to 500 aha men every day and also up to 10-11 equipment, but this does not stop them, that is, they continue to attack, try to achieve any success there and show just before the speech before the federal assembly whether such

success seems to be because putin does not have any at all today, what should we show to our internal audience, let's say yes, to our internal audience, at the same time, the west really recognizes how effectively ukraine is conducting hostilities against russia , and in particular, the minister of defense of great britain , benevoyala, seems to have said there yesterday or the day before yesterday that ukraine is actually located on the territory of ukraine 97%, er, of the russian army, 40% of russia's military power. two-thirds of the tanks have already been destroyed. they have already been destroyed, and when you listen to these statements, in principle , you get the impression that victory is about to er, we already have, er, very close to yours. your opinion, should we not be tempted by such theses and words, or should we somehow be more moderate about the prospects of further actions with the enemy? and what can be different nuances

on the battlefield ? i would like to say that the statements that are heard today by our partners are true, and let's say so not without reason, because they are helping us today to form new units and carry out their coordination, and most importantly to equip and they see, let's say, the possibilities of ukrainian soldiers today with regard to the fastest and successful training and the further exploitation of western equipment, and of course all this today forms the overall picture of putin's prospects for putin's army on the territory of ukraine. why because poorly trained mobs and equipment which was in storage for 30-40 years. and although there today they are trying to quickly bring vlad there, but

this is to provide the desired result, first of all , because of what is in service today artillery with a large radius of action, in fact, this makes it impossible for russia to carry out a not so necessary or long-awaited next offensive there, because any approach to the line of collision of the ammunition reserves of the khmelnytsky potential immediately falls into the zone of achievement or defeat of our long-range artillery, and these things today are are really decisive for creating the conditions for further conditions for successful counteroffensive actions by ukraine and the liberation of its territory. and in your opinion, does the enemy draw any conclusions at all from his previous actions miscalculations on the battlefield or is he somehow trying to improve by doing some things that will make him more effective or is the system of the russian army the system

of the russian government so rigid and rotten that in fact it is simply impossible to ensure any quality changes how do you assess the ability of the russian leadership to draw conclusions conclusions from previous miscalculations you know, to say that they are complete fools does not turn their tongues, but the fact that people who say so draw such conclusions is only half-assed, this is also obvious. and today we note a certain a change in tactics or a given tactic of the operational art of russian actions in the ukrainian direction, and if we recall the beginning of the history of the beginning of the military operation against ukraine, then it really was, let's say , tactical groups were introduced in the battalion and it was with them that the enemy tried to achieve success, but today from the submission of combat operations failure is not organization, and today the enemy has already

changed this tactic and is fighting with its units , parts of its staff, and its staff units, and it also made certain conclusions when they retreated from the kyiv region and let's say then they regrouped a-a at the expense of the withdrawal of troops from the middle of the right bank part of the kherson region and thereby provided the opportunity to construct their main efforts on essentially one of the goals of the so-called operation announced by putin - the restoration or rescue of the east us in the donbass and this today we are there we see it is this next offensive that is planned precisely to capture the full administration of the donbass of the donetsk luhansk regions in its and in their administrative border your enough allows to assess the real capabilities of the russian army based on the previous analysis, can we talk about the fact that when we talk

about large-scale offensives, on the one hand , the most active actions of forces and means are taking place in other areas of the front , when there is talk of kyiv, there of kharkiv, about amounts there about odesa, in fact, it is rather from the influence of russian propaganda on the media expert environment than from the real capabilities of the russian federation . how do you assess this current reality? there is a certain activity in other areas, but it is connected with precisely the purpose of diverting our forces and means of containment in the vicinity in order to prevent the strengthening of our grouping in the east of our state. that is true today. and this offensive is already underway, but for by our assessments and those of our western partners, who also provide us with the necessary intelligence information regarding the movement of dislocations, that is , they essentially create transparency, which does not allow

the enemy to use this opportunity to use suddenness there or some kind of misdirection for to hide the true direction of these actions, that is, it is not real today and in the east of our country this is the main goal of the enemy there to carry out the main offensive and today analysts believe that these forces accumulated there by russia are not enough . but at the same time it is noted that putin has never been he has always been an irrational person and we always needed success not when there it can be achieved with smaller losses but by some dates or er, at the beginning of a military operation and under these conditions, they believe that putin can give the order despite the unpreparedness of such an offensive, a political decision to launch it directly. well, in the coming weeks

, that is, to use all the reserves that the russian army has today. objectives that will not actually have any military strategic effect, that is how it works itself out. exactly, yes. a window of opportunity will open due to the liberation of our territories and a successful, let’s say, a successful counteroffensive. now, by the way, our partners are really helping us significantly. i hope that we will destroy the russian army. this will actually be done, but there is such a factor as a black swan. relatively speaking, do you allow such a black swan factor in the relations between russia and nato when, in particular, as it was with missiles on the territory of poland or through the flight of

missiles over the territory of romania, that is, when there are circumstances of irresistible force when nato actually has to react with its military component, so far they are avoiding this, but are there any risks that there will be moments when nato itself will get involved in hostilities, realizing that russia a is an unpredictable force and actions will already require efforts on the part of the alliance to the extent that such risks may exist in the short-term perspective of such actions . perhaps because putin has proven his , shall we say, insanity or irrationality. and for example, if russia resorts to an attempt to launch a missile strike against the territories of nato member countries or places, let's say, where military equipment is deployed for further transfer to ukraine, and definitely this will not be missed by the alliance, it will be perceived as a violation

, let's say so, of all red lines, and then the relevant protocols will live and be considered precisely as an attack and then let's say hmm and it will have a completely different character and content, but today, in order to prevent such things from happening, there are, let's say, military channels and communication to communication and checks in order to get an explanation or the communique and these channels from the nato line to russia, they are preserved precisely to avoid the possibility of any misunderstandings, that is, there will always be an institution or an explanation to the requirements of explanations from, for example, russia, what was happening . was it a mistake or was there something? the intentions of the russian federation to attack a nato country, but for such protocols exist in order for it perhaps we will say yes to the correct assessment

of such actions and questions to you as specialists and in view of the role of mass media in particular, there are foreign powerful and publications by separate intelligence agencies, in particular, british intelligence regularly publishes there a daily report on how it assesses the current situation in ukraine, in particular, there it makes regular materials, in particular, there, the last material was about the fact that russia is stockpiling aviation that will be used in hostilities for cover of this large-scale next and then the minister of defense of loydity does not say that there are actually no facts that would confirm the data of the same fanation times, that is, which conventionally speaking, the role of the mass media in the process of influencing the ukrainian side. are these markers that define a certain policy of ukraine at a certain stage, or do they give some signals as to how to perceive the publications in general? well, in powerful forms

, you understand that it is not always true his mm, of course, the attention of all mass media today is focused on the events taking place in ukraine, because i understood here today a hot conflict that, under certain conditions, can escalate into the third world war there and that is why the events and assessments and forecasts are really heard there today and spread and are being prepared, but in most of them these are the reports and assessments of the western special services or the information that comes through the western media . to make it impossible, let's say, that russian propaganda is created by some other, let's say, imaginary versions of events, that russia has already achieved its

success, that all ukraine's opportunities have been destroyed, or that ukraine refuses to have morale there will be declines and so on and so on when it comes from, let's say, confirmed sources like british intelligence or there because of the merits of the information, which, let's say, slavishly guarantee the authenticity of this information, such things are precisely aimed at providing additional information, including for citizens of russia, that is, to know about the reality of what is happening on the field, because it is russian propaganda inside the country that explains all the losses or covers them up or erases them and the people there just today really are in to the information vacuum well, to the information bubble that putin and his regime intentionally created, we read the american-european press abroad, but also the asian press, and we do not know what

the same china is actually writing about the war with russia that ukraine is waging, or whether there are actually risks that probably at the same stage china will suddenly decide to join this let's say the alliance of iran and russia because this controlled disintegration of the russian federation of china is unlikely to be very interesting or are there risks that at some stage china's position will change then it is with will cause slightly different weight categories in na na na on the battlefield i think that china is active as er-er, in short, the political leadership , the military-political leadership of china is carefully watching all the failures of putin's army on the territory of ukraine and it is very disappointed with such capabilities in russia, but this means that the necessary support will be provided , and china is definitely watching carefully, and all its assistance today is more

about non-lethal things. that is, it is a fairy tale, some equipment, but it is not a weapon and china today, do you know what the latest information is that he is expected to prepare some kind of statement regarding the peaceful process of settlement of events in the east? well, not in the east, but in general in ukraine, and it will be interesting to hear this visa sinzenpinya, and on the 21st, as far as i heard it was from a- and the minister of foreign affairs of china. it was during his visit to italy where he informed that such a statement and such and such an appeal is being prepared by the chinese leadership. and can you talk about the fact that right now europe and the united

states are interested in completion war because it is actually a long war that is not beneficial to anyone and there are possible certain risks associated with ignoring individual wishes of ukraine and ukraine's vision of the future , in particular it is about crimea and because there were some publications in which individual representatives of the united states actually say that it is not worth to spend the forces of the ukrainian side on the liberation of crimea there by military or non-military means, in your opinion, can this issue of crimea be so certain, let’s say yes, a point of tension between the americans and us from the definition of the optimal scheme of the post-war system, i think that this information is not true, although it certainly comes from certain representatives of the american establishment, but what concerns the faster end of the war is definitely in our interests, because today i am the united states and western europe, they are all

united around of ukraine and a quick end to the war will mean no sooner the victory of ukraine e p valeriu p general thank you for your time for your professional comments and i will remind our viewers that there was a general on the espresso channel there valeriy kondratyuk, ex-head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine and head of the main development department of the ministry of defense of ukraine. we hope that the conclusions of general kondratyuk will be correct, although the cause of victory requires efforts from each of us, and further on the espresso channel there are already chronicles of the information war with olga leni olya, i congratulate you i congratulate serhii, let's continue in a moment. congratulations , on february 13, the head of foreign intelligence of the russian federation, serhiy naryshkin, once again began to scare russians with terrorists, the foreign intelligence service