[000:00:00;00] existence right here, you have footage from the forum in e-e in prague. for example, there i proposed to talk about russia the day after tomorrow, we have ukraine should already today talk about russia the day after tomorrow if we do not talk about it, if we do not look for opportunities and do not project them what will russia be like the day after tomorrow , we will lose, that is, such electronic referendums are allowed by russian legislation, so we must use such opportunities, this is, after all , a base of people who are ready to vote in this way, and then you can use them accordingly

search with them and if we focus not on the person - well, not on personal data, but on the actual number of people. well, what about the three hundred thousand people who voted now, even more ? are they superfluous for ukraine in the fight against the kremlin regime? i think that i am absolutely not superfluous after all i would like to clarify here, rather, it is not about the expediency of such actions, but about how it is carried out, why am i asking, for example, certain opponents of this idea they can say that even a quantitative idea of ​​how many people will vote for independence is not certain it will be true to vote. you and i, and even there, citizens of other countries are not related to russia and, accordingly , undermine the legitimacy of this entire vote. there is a threat here, as you think. i think that there is a similar threat, but from one side , but let's look at the other. side and how were the so-called referendums on the territory of the occupied ukrainian regions, on the territory

of zaporizhzhia, kharkiv, well, kharkiv, there were no zaporizhia, mykolaiv , kherson, donetsk and luhansk oblasts where there were full-fledged referendums. do we recognize these referendums? no, we have to play against our opponents with the same cards. that is, we have a question . look, then you are really right when you say that the ukrainian parliaments and no parliament in the civilized world did not recognize the re results of the vote that russia called referendums. but let's imagine that on february 28 , the organizers sum up the results of the vote and say that people voted for independence , in particular, for kuban, siberia, the urals, and so on. parliament can he recognize these territories as independent, because let’s somehow argue this with the results of this vote, well, you should ask ukrainian

parliamentarians about this first of all, because the verkhovna rada, after all , even in the current conditions, i would say semi-monarchical, it has not lost its unpredictability, i can express my opinion i believe that, on the one hand, ukraine should clearly state that it does not claim to annex a single centimeter of russian territory, which is recognized by the world on the one hand, but on the other hand, we have non-publicly in a non-public way to support all steps aimed at the disintegration of the russian federation well, i don't believe that in a family of 9 dozens of subjects everything is fine, everything is fine

, everyone is satisfied. maybe they submitted them, but we still can’t say it for sure. these movements were in the early 90s in tatarstan in a difficult situation in the urals. that is, it is absolutely not in the same place, otherwise, where would the activists come from who are currently advocating for the independence of these territories from russia, we must be aware of one simple thing that the collapse of the russian federation is the key to the formation of the european security system, that is , when russia collapses into dozens of entities, it will be a guarantee of that that we will no longer see huge armies near our borders isn't it worth supporting

such movements but what do you think could lead to actual disintegration of the russian federation to other entities. in particular, i do not want to cite here a quote by the financier george soros, a well-known ukrainian audience . speaking at the munich conference, he said that the victory of ukraine would contribute to the disintegration of russia , but just as when he spoke with other western intellectuals, comparing what could be waiting for russia, with what was waiting for nazi germany, many say that it will not happen, there will also be no such condemnation and , accordingly, a probable disintegration into some democratic elements, and because it will not happen, no one can imagine what happened to berlin for something like this to happen to moscow or are such votes bringing something similar closer? is this the first step on a very, very long way there is a famous saying that history repeats itself twice once in the form of a tragedy other races in

the form of a farce we we don't know for sure, we know for sure that our victory is the restoration of our territorial integrity, the truth is the victory of ukraine, that's what we said, the ukrainian authorities definitely do, and we are fighting for it, but if ukraine simply restores its territorial integrity integrity let's try to model the situation, will the russian authorities try to take revenge with some other smaller, weaker country? well, let's discuss such a case . well, we can’t talk about the kuban or the urals by making similar decisions at the legislative level, what does ukraine look like, well, in the system of international

law, it is a marginal or, on the contrary, maybe a vanguard a country that has become a victim of aggression, it cannot a priori look like a marginal ukraine has become a victim of unprovoked aggression, this is a historical fact in which for almost a year , even recognizing independence, and four we do not claim its territory, we do not have a common border with it, true. that is, we can talk about that we are trying to contribute to the disintegration of the russian federation, and for this to be as effective as possible, russia must be destroyed from within. it is a little secret that there are significant contradictions between the federal center and regions, and actually russia's war in ukraine, which causes significant casualties among the russian military, it doesn't matter that they are mobilized

, are they all foreign fighters, are they just regular military, as was the case at the beginning of the invasion among those people who were drafted into chechnya? is this of fundamental importance i think not, that is, we should talk about the fact that there is a need to dismantle the russian federation, there is a need to change the status of the russian federation , in the end we should become, well, if you want, the provider of the movement of the world community in order to the right of a nation to self-determination within the russian federation, after all, it is the federation, but its constitution does not have a rule about the possibility of a subject of the federation leaving the federation . well, how is it, well, it is some kind of serfdom. is this

right? is this how it should be fought at the international level? thank you very much for your comment for your analyst yevhen magda, a political scientist, speaking at the munich conference today, volodymyr zelenskyi said that there is no deep corruption in ukraine anymore. he also mentioned the competition for the position of the director of the national anti-corruption bureau, which should end in march, the president said that after that, the anti-corruption system in ukraine will work , quote, at 100%. but the investigation of the radio freedom-scheme project shows that there are problems with the competition for the position of the head of the nabu, some of the finalists of the competition have questions about their independence, and the candidates who, for example , led a high-profile case involving the deputy head of the president's office oleg tatarov, could be thrown out of the competition under some

a formal pretext for more details of the story let's look at two or two of the candidates for the position of the head of the nabu, and then we will discuss semyon krivonos , another candidate for the director of the nabu, who is familiar with the current deputy head of the president's office, oleksiy kuleba, when kuleba worked in the kyiv city state administration, krivonos' wife worked with him, it's interesting, i'm bored nothing at all well, i know him, i know him professionally, nothing , when did you find out about him? practical task well, i still need to read, you understand, i worked together with oleksandr well, this is what happened now, the candidate head of the state inspection of architecture and urban planning of ukraine , the institution in particular that issues building licenses, politicians mykhailo saakashvili previously wrote that kryvonos was fully supported for this position by the current head of the president's office, andriy yarmak the candidate has a history related to bribes and what is this story about receiving

there was no bribe i am not a suspect i am not accused this is absolute nonsense and i did not receive any bribe, on the contrary, i am her whistleblower, i am a corruption whistleblower, and according to my statement, the person who tried to give me a bribe was detained, how the schemes were found out with the candidate , in fact, two different cases were connected with bribes for the same amount of 120 thousand dollars in one case, he was a whistleblower last year and investigated another case in 2014. according to the court register, the sbu investigated her, the head of one of the village councils of obukhivskyi, kyiv region, allegedly entered into a criminal conspiracy, including with the head of the registration service of the local government of justice demanded an illegal benefit for the allocation of a plot of land in the amount of 120,000 dollars to krivonos in the 14th year , according to his autobiography, and held the position of head of this registration service there

. krivonos explained that the version of the investigation was not confirmed, and the prosecutor general's office informed that the case was closed due to the absence of a crime in 2016 , kryvonos already won the competition for the director of the odesa territorial administration, but refused to hold this position because there were certain manipulative information due to the fact that the body it was only the establishment of this institution. i decided to refuse and stay working at the odesa customs office. the candidate refused the position when, at that time, journalist dmytro gnap was preparing a publication regarding the failure to include in his declaration an apartment that was not commensurate with his then earnings and the beginning of an investigation into possible bribery, ruslan gabrielyan , military volunteer, this video is from january 28 of this year, the candidate is still participating in the competition

after two tests, he is second in the rating as a detective, gabrielyan acquired a high-profile case involving the deputy head of the president's office, oleg tatarov. it was a case of embezzlement during the construction of apartments for the national guard. in this criminal proceeding , we personally signed a notice of suspicion of a petition for the application of preventive measures in the form of detention. well, the fate of this everyone knows about the criminal proceedings, so comment on the further fate of the proceedings. i would not like you to mean the tatars, one and a half weeks after these shootings of the candidate gabrielyan suddenly excludes gabrielyan from the competition to stop participating i am kucheryavenka mykola i vote for dragopopus votes for january 25 the commission asks the prosecutor general's office to find out whether the candidate has five years of managerial experience, which is a condition for participation in the competition, and this is a month later, as it was difficult, the mission allowed the candidate to participate and admitted that gabrielyan met all

the criteria, the prosecutor general's office in the letter of response , among other managerial positions, does not mention the candidate's managerial experience in the military prosecutor's office, because the citation of his personal case was sent to kropyvnytskyi the candidate of the air marshals service applied to the competition commission. in it, he asked the commission to ask for a written answer. as for his managerial experience, i believe that the commission already has all the necessary information . the commission is similar to a small part of the documents about the candidate's leadership. here is the order on gabriel's functional duties. a letter from the prosecutor general's office was attached to him by the prosecutor's office in two oblasts for the supervision of compliance with laws in the military sphere. there is no doubt about gabrin's managerial experience, on the basis of which his and were excluded from the competition

, signed by anton voytenko, he is the deputy prosecutor general of ukraine, is there a conflict of interest in the prosecutor's office? they answered our question with a quote. the participation in the competition of persons who are employees of the prosecutor's office does not indicate the presence of a conflict of interest. well , see the version of the investigation by serhiy andrushka on the youtube channel of radio svoboda. well, in the meantime , serhii horbatyuk, the head of the special investigations department of the general prosecutor's office of ukraine for 2014-2019, and i understand that he is already an ex-candidate, is joining us for the post of chairman , i will get it, right? serhii, did you take part in this competition? what impression did you have of whether this competition is conducted transparently according to the law, unfortunately, not according to the law and with violations, and i actually, from the first days, drew the attention of the commission to the existing the violation filed complaints, first of all, the violation consists in the fact that the e-e law in

article 7, which regulates the procedure for conducting this competition, notes that the e-e interview commission selects according to the results of all five competitions from five stages of five complaints, but the commission for some reason decided not based on the law about the fact that they will only select 20 people based on the first two m tests for knowledge of the law and so-called general abilities who will continue to participate in the next e-e stages. that is , this is not provided for by law and this again indicates some kind of involvement why because the main task of the commission according to the nabu law again is to choose a director who, based on his business moral qualities and professional qualities, can hold

this position at the same time as the commission for the first two stages that do not relate to business moral professional qualities reject the other part of the participants. that is, it indicates that the commission is not primarily interested in professional qualities and they themselves narrow the circle of possible identification of the person who will be most suitable for these qualities for the nabu director, this is possible only when they know who exactly they need to elect in advance as the nabu director, and the worst thing is that the commission did not respond to complaints because there were many mistakes in the questions, even such ridiculous ones how do they elect the director of nabu and uh, in the questions it sounds like he appoints the director of nabu next to the president. and he

has been changing the legislation for a year and a half and already appoints the cabinet of ministers and to my complaint that all questions must be checked and answers must be checked the commission refused to do all the members. that is, today we definitely have candidates in the finals who , having made mistakes in the questions , received points in the answers to the questions and passed on . presumably, according to your assessment, it is possible that the commission wants to promote certain candidates, violating the procedure there, and actually you said that this hmm priority is first checked for some very formal things, and then already for professional quality, independence, and complicity. it seems that something similar happened with candidate ruslan gavrylian which was told by my colleague serhiy andrushko in the investigation, and he handled the case of the deputy head of the president's office oleg tatarov

, there is a suspicion that this may be related to this, at first the commission with the election of the head of the nabu admitted that gabrilin allegedly met all the criteria and then excluded him from the competition because he allegedly did not have enough managerial experience so this situation is legal is it just a formal excuse and really the reason for the rest is a formal excuse and er no corresponds to the law, even the way the commission formulated the refusal, here it is very important to understand that the law says managerial experience, experience, not managerial experience, seniority, we can talk about the fact that the entry in the work book about the fact that the person was in one or another managerial position and experience is just the thing. the question is that the person, being by his position not even a managerial administrative one, still performed

the functions of managing the management , e. the leader in the country yes, he is not the leader, he is nobody, well, this is absolutely nonsense , that is, the manipulation of the terms seniority and experience allowed the illegal way to remove the candidate. that is, it is clearly an abuse of the commission that does not comply with the law mr. horbatyuk, let's talk about the fact that several candidates are personally acquainted with the newly appointed deputy head of the president's office, oleksiy kuleba. i'm not sure of the chronology, but it seems when he was appointed later . there may be a conflict of interest and why is it important that the nabu and the nabu head do not have this conflict of interest, so what can it threaten if

you can briefly eh, it is clear that we are all of these contests, the authorities have tried all the time, since the 15th year, er, someone of their championship by one or another er, representatives of the authorities, and in this case, i also have no doubt that there are such candidates and conditions were created for them, er, what i would also file complaints that conditions have been created for many candidates in order for them to move on. of course , there are such risks. and even the same work of the commission , when they respond to complaints . let's say we saw how the commissions that i forgot worked before there were always some situations where it was obvious that the authorities were trying to push someone or something right away . to be honest, foreign representatives are surprised because there are a large number of moments that really indicate

that there is abuse, but for some reason the meetings take place in 5 minutes, in 5-10 minutes all they raise their hands and hmm don't react to those violations, that's why i'm convinced that there really is a situation of attracting certain candidates, it's clear, thank you very much for joining us, we will continue to advocate for this situation actually eh well, i promise- it is promised that the new head of the nabu will be hired by march, we will see what kind of person it will be and whether they will still be able to elect him transparently serhii horbatyuk, the head of the special investigations department of the general prosecutor's office of ukraine 2014-2019, was with us in serbia , the leader of the pro-russian organization people's patrol dem' was detained yana knyazhevych is suspected of plotting a coup d'état . on february 15, knyazhevych staged an action in the center of belgrade against the dialogue with kosovo. local media associate him with the private military

company wagner, which was recognized in the united states. a transnational criminal organization, is russia really setting up a new bridgehead in the balkans, let's find out on suspicion of planning to change the constitutional order in the country, the long-time leader of the unregistered organization people's patrol and two of his henchmen were forcibly detained by knyazhevych. on february 15, on the day of serbian statehood, knyazhevych staged an action in belgrade against the plan the settlement of relations between serbia and kosovo, which was proposed by france and germany in january, the president of serbia, oleksandr vušić , said that he was ready to accept this proposal the far-right forces opposed it, they are afraid of a riot, i swear we are ready for much more than a riot, slogans were sounded at the rally with threats to supporters of the settlement of relations with kryshtina, namely, whoever signs will be killed

, and the president of serbia, uchich , was called a traitor by the picketers after about a thousand protesters tried to storm the administration building the president removed the protective fence and headed for the main entrance, they were stopped by the police , the balkan service of radio liberty reports, in addition , the demonstrators willingly demonstrated their russia's support was shouted by serbia, russia and similar slogans, davnyan kniazhevych and some of his supporters hung st. george's ribbons, also in the crowd the symbols of the wagner infantry fighting vehicle and the letter z, which the russian military uses as a symbol of the invasion of ukraine, the status of a candidate for eu membership , serbia refuses to introduce sanctions against russia and supports bilateral

relations with moscow. kosovo is a former province of serbia that declared its independence on february 17, 2008. it is partially recognized. ukraine does not recognize kosovo's independence maxim hrabovsky radio freedom to discuss what is happening in the balkans, what influence does russia have there, we invited oleksandr levchenko, the extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to croatia and post-herzegovina in 2010-2017 good evening good evening greetings what do you think of what is happening in serbia, how serious was it and perhaps remains the possibility of such a pro-russian coup. actually, moscow is looking for an opportunity to escalate the situation in the balkans. they need another front, another military conflict. and, of course, the situation in

kosovo it was, so to speak, the reason for that hook to provoke some uh, military actions, clashes, uh, combat and, so to speak, the death of people, meanwhile, europe is very closely following the situation that was happening and understands that uh, moscow is pushing through pro-russian forces the scenario regarding the situation in the villages and it is clear that in belgrade itself the pro-russian lobby is huge , one of the leaders of the opposition determined that several thousand russian agents in the middle of the serbian political system are in serbia , a huge number mentioned the minister the foreign affairs officer of the head of the security service of serbia and other well-known politicians, so this pro-russian lobby is quite large and

teaches the current president that it is not easy to maneuver in this situation, considering that the country considers the main european path for acquiring membership in the european union for itself , meanwhile, the europeans are asking official belgrade, for the sake of commonality of european politics , has also not dared to take part in this, but it is slowly preparing society for the fact that sanctions will probably have to be imposed on russia er, wagner received permission to register his representative office, well, as much from the representative office as from his business center in belgorod, through which the recruitment of serbian citizens to participate

in the war in ukraine actually began, this is illegal, and the president of serbia, vluchich, even spoke on television and said how that's how the russian country abuses the hospitality of the serbian side and calls on our citizens to engage in illegal activities, so girl, i'm sorry that i'm here, we don't have much time to press you, but i want to ask you about it, my son. and what positions of ukraine in the balkans, is there any space in which ukrainian diplomats could work? well, we have our own embassy in each country, including belgrade , of course, we convey our point of view. hm invited the mayor of belgrade, who has more moderate views, to come to kyiv at the invitation of our

mayor, which means that for the development of these e-e contacts between the two capitals, we actively emphasize that ukraine does not yet recognize kosovo as the independent state of belgrade - you appreciated that, you know that president luchsic said that it was 10 days ago because he does not recognize the annexation of crimea. and so to speak, donbass is also temporarily occupied. donbass is the territory of the ukrainian state, so our diplomats work there. they systematically convey a point of view supported by the europeans, the european union , so to speak, and other countries, and that's why, of course, there is such a turning point in the grapes, the

russians want to shake up the situation. is giving to the european way and in this connection is trying to destabilize the situation, what you have shown in the plot, in fact, these pro-russian forces, which are financed directly by the kremlin, even opposed their president or her authority, so that, as it were , they are protecting the territorial integrity of serbia and kosovo must return and so on . however, this is absolutely impossible. everyone understands that. who understands the political situation there ? everyone understands that it is impossible, except for them , we understand that it is impossible in such a situation sorry, we have to finish already. thank you very much for an interesting conversation with us . oleksandr levchenko , ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the republic of croatia for 10-17 years and to bosnia and herzegovina, was in touch. 11:17 a.m. thank you for