[000:00:00;00] well, that's absolutely correct, mykola, let's even look at the russian rhetoric for this, noah, we will not stand, nothing reminds of the years of the second world war. they still dream of repeating the berlin campaign, but they cannot take bakhmut , do you understand what russian mishka fell on his face in the mud on a lick bahmut, and they can’t stand the price , you understand. that is, they don’t care how much they put in, but you know what we’re talking about here . mykola, they noted quite attentively that the rhetoric of the western countries has changed, let’s let's look at milla's latest statement regarding the events surrounding bahmut, one day early in the morning, an article is published in washington, late, its own authoritative publication gives us advice that it might be worth brushing away and

actually focusing on the deopath, well, i always have a question, eh, what kind of advice do you give eh actually, the armed forces of ukraine, well, less, but literally a few hours pass, a mile comes out and says that no, for this, they will not move away from the bachmut, why if as you rightly noted, let the russian mishka enjoy his teeth and leave his skin under the bachmut which they can’t take for eight months. mykola, that’s bakhmutto, uh, so-so marinka . for 10 months, the fighting continues to advance deep into ukrainian territory. 3.5 km. 3.5 km . just imagine here, it’s not even the case that there is an advance in the bakhmut area. well, about 15 km total up to 20 and here the movement can literally be counted by dozens of meters

per month and they bloom like the fourth stalingrad of another dilapidated enterprise on the territory of maryinka, it's like a military victory , there was hysteria over the capture of the settlement of sadko ivanceti p mykola three three people we lived before the war, you understand, but who does it say, the main thing is that we took a village where there were 20 huts , you understand, this is the level of victories. in munich, among other things, diplomats gathered in munich, among other things, and diplomats, p. valeriychily diplomat, extremely empowered ambassador, chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center, we are in touch, p. valeriy good health, thank you for

taking the time for us. it's easy for you, well, finally, we can also talk about this, because until recently, at least before the munich security conference, i asked many people, and maybe i asked you, whether there was already an understanding of the design of the world in its own way, and there was no such understanding , moreover, mostly european americans said let's first we will win let's first choose or rather you will win russia and then we will start thinking about what to do with it where to shove it shove it put what the design will look like and already today we we are beginning to understand what this is about somehow i am not saying what is being said in full, but somehow it is already being said at the munich security conference , at least they are starting to ask questions, maybe they don't solve them, maybe they don't show the ways

to solve them there yes well, the un security council needs to be changed well because give me the question, it is still unknown how to change it, what to do with russia , how to be with nuclear russia, too, but already the beginning of the discussion, do i understand correctly that this transit between the fact that something needs to be done and let's do something concrete, am i wrong? p valery well, i will say that it's not only the munich conference - it's also rammstein, the provision of weapons , and actually on monday, the president of the united states will be in warsaw to give a very expected speech . well, i'll say my impression on subjective understanding, nothing more.

objectively, there is not a single person in the world who understands what will happen next year, that is, how will the war end, they do not understand the theory, everyone knows that the theory of conflicts is a discipline that students study, that is, after this, as you said, there may be new alliances the statuses of the countries, some countries may fall apart, none of us know what will happen, and unfortunately, the question of the future well, i got the impression that less attention is paid to the current affairs than the current ones, it is until summer until summer until autumn. everyone understands that there is a possibility of a ukrainian offensive. well, somehow already i don't know the consensus, whether our soldiers have already heard it, but everyone has a political consensus , that is, the ukrainian offensive. yes, the only question is, when will the weapons come, when will they teach it, and it is good

, what is being said? we will wait until we support as much as necessary, but what will happen after that? well, i am not so optimistic. in my opinion , there is no serious discussion at all, and then look at the question valery. it seems to me that it is a very important question. you worked a lot as a diplomat and as an ambassador. it is just like that such a habit, such a manner. i would say that we solve the issues as they come, while the hot phase of the war in ukraine is going on, our issue of armaments, our issue of money, our issue of education assistance and so on and so on then everything will end, the whole phase and then we will start thinking about what to do with russia or is there really no understanding that sooner or later we will have to go nowhere, we will have to do something and then there are two options only or only or they are just so used to it

this is how they always work, they don't work in advance , they decide this, we have a question now, we solve it, and don't come to us there, africans, ukrainians, chinese , latin americans, it doesn't matter, we'll cut it, we'll be the next one in the mode is it simple short-sightedness well, in fact, everything is very simple. the fact is that we, ukrainians, together managed to somehow raise this coalition to raise a democratic world. this is very good, because it would be much more difficult for them and there would be more victims, but none of them wants to accept this the war as a common one. that is, everyone says that it is a war against europe, against the principles , against the rules of the un charter, against everything, but then the next word is self-defense. and today , everyone talked about the future: we will help after the war

for ukraine's self-defense, again for self-defense therefore, unfortunately, it is probably our task to pressure at least our partners and allies so that they not only perceive this war as existential for europe, but also act accordingly. therefore , there is no such solution yet. this is the first answer of a friend. well, this is my impression again. there is no such thing. leadership e-e unfortunately, i have a book, you see, he said then that it’s been a long time since i saw three letters in putin’s eyes k d k j b everything and you don’t do anything with him what i said about russia you and he i met with him, he did not change this position. and now some measures

important and at the same time let's offer russia some kind of new normality without putin at the level they think that putin is, well , it won't be putin, it will be different, it's the nature of us, we were already wrong, i'll say i was wrong, when we talked with you, i knew that there would be a war, but i thought that the number of russian victims was so huge that it would somehow raise dissatisfaction in russia, well, if they were 200,000. well, imagine 200,000. russia did not lose in any war. but it turned out that these books about the great patriotic war were thrown at everyone. near kiev, when kyiv was liberated

, they gave one rifle to seven guys of our ukrainians, it’s all true, and here are all the archives about zhukov, we’ll kill more khokhlov, we’ll kill them later, we’ll have to send them to solovke, a little to siberia. we encountered a very country in this respect that is different from us and the countries of europe, it is a different country, people who are ready to just go are dying and it is better for them to make money on this eh well, just, well, there are already going in, here are these toilet memes, by the way i have already installed the european station, russia will not receive a western toilet, that is, and everyone around is talking about it. but this is barbarism, we count on you. and there is no civilization there, it ends, uh, beyond the borders of muscovite and there is no niva, that is, that’s all, and then all this horde and we live p valery, ukrainians are a very important question yes, maybe vladivostok is there somewhere i was still counting on them

, look at you just a few times means that you have used this word self-defense, and i am not talking about specifics now, but such a more philosophical point well, that is, he calls you to a more philosophical approach, which you are already inclined to do. that is, you think that when we say defense in one way or another , are europeans talking? this is an existential mistake , because you cannot play defensive games with the russians, that is what they did as a result of 14- oh, and by the way, are you from georgia? and by the way, since 1992, eastern moldova and so on and so on, that is, you just need to change the heads of the europeans who, after the second world war, got used to the gentlemanliness of that nobility. we are not we can oppress the russians and also be aggressive towards

them, that is, we must understand correctly that we need to set up diplomacy and here the so-called soft power to give from time to time in the teeth maybe not in a military way, but there expel russian journalists expel diplomats what is being done now do not accept there are some big conferences and so on, i.e. showing teeth and not saying that, but teeth are like that, you know, predatory teeth, not smiles, that is , you are hinting at this, it is necessary for europeans and america to understand that there is something wrong with them speaking in another language, we need to find a new language in relations with russia, please, well, briefly, the first issue of self-defense. i meant that we should have collective defense, that is , self-defense, when we ourselves fight for the whole world

, this is not something we can do all the time. therefore we need entry into the union of collective defense and security, now it is nato. well, the signing of agreements with nuclear powers is possible at the intermediate stage, when they enter the war for us , as they have, let's say, the states hiding there with south korea or with israel, so on this is the first question, and the second question is yours. i'm not saying bomb moscow now. i'm saying that this war is the end or stage of an existential conflict, where mclaut's opinion says there should be only one left, but as a result, there are no chances here or ukraine will remain democratic and safe, or putin 's russia, unfortunately, there are no other options here , and the europeans, yes, they always considered

them weak, they demonstrated that on the contrary , they, er, demonstrated something completely different. i am very surprised how much they have changed their position and it's true the leadership of the eu and some leaders, but still they still don't know what to do about it because you're right, their picture of the world is not like that at all how is it and in that picture just now this last question is very short because we already have the next guest i'm sorry you scared me with what i was thinking. you say that we need to be under the umbrella of nato, then we will sit and defend ourselves together. and i sit and think , i imagine the estonian minister of defense , the german minister of defense, or the minister of france or something further, further, further away. they they sit and say to sociologists, listen, but look how many people we have who will stand up for germany, estonia, france, belgium, and so on

, and we have 5-7% of our patriots, so we can't send an army. well , except for professional ones, and very professional ones you and i understand this very well, let's listen, let the ukrainians be, look at them. millions are rising, millions are taking up arms , millions are defending their motherland, and by chance they are also defending us, then i have the impression that this is how they behave if the ukrainians can show their strength, we will give as much money as you want, as many weapons as you want, and let them fight. because our guys don't want to fight, this is possible . well, look, i'll tell you briefly. yes, the story could have been the first before the 14th year. they perfectly understand this threat, moreover, today and in munich, these baltic countries, poland, our neighbors are saying that ukraine should be a member of nato, they are in favor of this so that our contribution is our contribution, that is, our contribution is to unite the systems of petriv, american

planes, missiles and everything else, and this is the only one exit when possible, both efforts, therefore, i think that the understanding is different in different countries , and what's more, if before spain-portugal were western countries, they said ukraine is very far , now they understand that under the ice of missiles it is not that far, so this is my personal communication with the generals in spain, the broiler institutes will say with their hands. i told them then, they say yes, from this point of view, we already see the difference. that is why we need to act offensively inside ukraine, our resources should be directed not at, i conclude, not at being ready to always deter russia or think what will happen in russia and we have to set up such a barrier on the border, i emphasize not on the lines on the border with russia, they have

already thrown more here and this is nato missiles and er, combined forces this is my position and i don't see any other alternative option believe me, this position is based on many years of mistakes, different opinions and conclusions that exist now, and unfortunately, not all countries share this position yet, those who declare good phrases in our support and give weapons, they are not ready for this or will they be ready, i think they will be, i am optimistic i'm looking at it, but it's for that to be successful in the actions of our soldiers at the front now. now let's start with the fact that there is a policy now. what is our soldier doing now, a man or a woman, who is a dakhmut or ugledar fighting and giving results, that's all my police of ukraine , the head of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center was with us and in this part of the program p valery thank you very much and we are moving to france, apparently there are many people in ukraine who come from time to time or

at least went to auchan recently there was a huge scandal and this huge scandal was connected with the fact that auchan was not here i know he supplied goods to the military of the russian federation under the guise of humanitarian aid. humanitarian aid is needed by the russian troops. they use the word humanitarian. i like the word humanitarian, and russian troops are destroying ukrainian civilians and cities and critical infrastructure very much. and ashan, as they say , is suspected, i don’t know, but he is humanitarian aid . to these people who are destroying ukrainians , let's talk about this aid maksym sokolov, candidate for the political dow

, a journalist in france, but no one will tell me does he speak ukrainian? does he speak ukrainian? he speaks perfectly, mr. maksym. thank you for finding time for us. thank you very much . so , what can we say about ashan? they say what happened well, in short, what do they say in france, does anyone in france know about this at all , that there is such a suspicion that he is not very pure , let's say this auchan or vice versa, they proved their innocence, i will say that this news did not , er, have no effect bombs that exploded but yes, this topic and this investigation and this investigation are shared by the newspaper le monde belin cat by the investigators and the website as an insider, these are such powerful investigators who

have powerful investigations in their luggage and that is why it attracted attention in french by the press of french television, and of course they received a comment from the head office of the french company, which stated that all these goods that were delivered to the occupied part of the donetsk region were paid for and they are not responsible for the buyers who then used the goods for their own purposes, that is, they distance themselves from the fact that they organized and supplied them free of charge. these goods , etc., are not only not only humanitarian , there are even bulletproof vests among these goods, that is, there is an investigation in the le monde newspaper, it can

be viewed on the website and there directly on the video, it can be seen that there are axes, there are nails, there are bulletproof vests, there are canned goods for soldiers, not for children, not for women, there are biscuits, that is, products for the military of the russian federation, but oh, his office the central one says that all these goods that were delivered were paid for by the party that took these goods, although in the correspondence , e.e., investigators blinket and lemont, they got access to the internal correspondence of emails, they got access to the testimony to the photos, and it was from this internal correspondence and these emails it is clear that the top managers are russians by nationality, but the top managers of auchan organized these meetings, that is, they brought goods from different stores, for example, in

the leningrad region to one large hypermarket in saint-petersburg, then uh, they packed the packaged products with their trucks, these were in a branded box with auchan logos, with leroy merlina emblems, which uh, this company is also part of the uh, auchan group, and that's why, in principle, the investigators collected e- there is enough evidence that auchan is involved in these supplies in the occupied territory, and when auchan excused himself or explained, there are some receipts , some documents that we bought because of what you are talking about, in addition to bulletproof vests, well , i have a hard time.

something to condemn for that, well, the ministry of defense, and russia said we need 100,000 canned goods. well, well, 100,000 canned goods, yes, but two bulletproof vests, that's already a completely different question, it's already a question of helping the army, specifically, because we don't know canned goods . one hundred thousand can to go to school or maybe to the army or maybe somewhere else that is, this and this is not a humanitarian story, that is, auchan somehow cooperates with french society and shows that this is where we really made a mistake. we ordered it, we sold it, what’s next, auchan, the french central office, he doesn’t specify the products. he, er, issued his press release, where he simply denied that auchan is organized and free of charge. it provides it. well, okay, we’ll wait. the driver comments on this video , he doesn’t comment on it. he didn't just publish a video of a skirmish list - it denies

cooperation for free with those who deliver these goods to the occupied territory because this does not happen under the auspices of the ministry of defense of russia, it is important to understand that this is a volunteer movement, so to speak, in quotes that there is one in russia, which is in the same auchan supermarkets throughout russia, about just opposite the cash desk, organizes collection points for this military aid, where the zet symbols hang, russian military flags, and people buying goods, they can , leaving the cash register, simply leave not at these points, so in quotation marks humanitarian aid for of the russian military, of course vk they say that we also deliver to the people who are in the occupied territory, there is a civilian they also suffer, but the fact remains that the majority of these products are for

the russian military, mr. maksym, one more thing the question is also important. it seems to me to be very important. well, we see an obvious change in the position of macron, and maybe even the french stalker from putin has to save face from us . he's such a hawk he was such a hawk well, more hawkish than a hawk six months ago 9 months ago a year ago oh and we remember these very days he just constantly talked to putin trying to to somehow concentrate on the issue of peace and not on the issue of war. well, nothing has worked out. something is really changing. is it only here that it seems to us that the french establishment is beginning to slightly adjust its behavior towards ukraine in the direction , so to speak, of supporting ukraine in the search for

options for how to neutralize russia? this is definitely happening and it is visible not only this can be followed not only by the statements of macron but also by the statements of other officials , journalists, french experts, it is also visible by the fact that france is now more actively supplying us with weapons of various types weapons, and they, uh, you see. they are trying to occupy those niches that uh , let's say, they see for themselves that french weapons can help precisely with this, for example . at first it was howitzers caesar, then air defense crotal anti-aircraft systems, then it was announced that they would supply armored reconnaissance vehicles the so-called wheeled tanks and here they are. they were the first to arrive, and today i see in the information that new anti-tank complexes have been installed, that is, the french. of course, they are evolving in their attitude towards russia and

macron, first of all, he is the leader in this change of attitude towards russia because it is obvious that some chemistry in the relations between macron and president zelensky appeared especially after macron's visit to buchi to irpen, when he saw all these horrors of the russian invasion, it is obvious that macron in his er-er in his statements stopped er- to save the face of russia, to call for this is a plus. i want to note that since september 11, macron has not called putin, and this may indicate that macron has understood that putin cannot be changed and called for his rationality, and europeans , first of all, are people who are used to it uh to appeal to rationality, that's why his appeal to putin is that aggression against ukraine does not bring any profits to russia and will only harm the future of russia, they

did not influence putin and macron understood this, and that's why i think that look even more globally, i want to ask a question because i am such an older person. i remember the soviet union very well and i remember very well the specific relations between the ussr and france. if someone had to go to a so-called capitalist country, it was france. it was somehow easier to get there. well, i i don’t even know a tourist as a tourist. i don’t know a journalist as a west germany. no, britain is a disaster in general , and there was always something specific about moscow and paris . there were some common conclusions here and there. does this change the mood of the french today ? has france ceased to be such a specific partner of the russian federation as it has been since the second world war and then de gaulle with his withdrawal from nato from the military part of nato and so on and so

on, i will not tell you this because it you know better than i do, we can see now in france some small changes in society in the public perception of russia eh and yes and no, this is what concerns the policy of eh strategic orientation really when, for example, the same de golf was in power he absolutely carried out, well, you can say about russia such a policy, entering and exiting nato . well, de gaulle is such a person who, that is, his personal position greatly influenced the mood of the french establishment for decades , because he is not an average person, but at he is a great anti-american. let's say, we remember his marches against the dollar and the demand of americans to exchange paper dollars for gold. when he brought

an aircraft carrier with paper dollars and so , being such an unusual political figure, he shaped the world view of the french and the establishment for decades. i, uh, i really hope that macron is a new generation of french politicians who no longer have the burden of uh and that experience of french politics that existed during the time of de gaulle and his followers, and uh, this is what as far as politics is concerned, the french and the elite and the political establishment are moving away from this orientation, but what concerns sports, culture, art, all kinds of uh, exhibitions uh , it hasn’t come to that yet. by the way , macron’s statement that belarusians and russians should be allowed athletes for the 2024 olympic games, which will be held maksym