[000:00:00;00] there should be more in the cities. oh, i usually shudder when the word monopoly and when the word state is always mr. mykola. i'm very sorry. i want to add once again that it's not just monopolies that there, someone somehow somehow created this monopoly for the whole world because an electric station is that and without what a person can't live and that's why. well, this is a kind of monopoly , and such problems are the same for everyone, it's not only a problem of ukraine, it's a problem for everyone . ok, we agreed that dmytro bilotserkovets should submit to the kyiv council. he was in touch with us, and i thank you for finding the time. now ihor shovyalo is the general

the director of the national museum of the revolution of dignity and the participants of the initiative, the headquarters of the rescue of heritage , why are we talking about it? ukrainians did not wait for a lot . let me just tell you that there were more than 4,000 crimes committed during the revolution of dignity. and this is only what can be seen with the eyes. there were 26 convictions, 120 cases pending in court, and 51 criminal cases. the proceedings are ongoing pre-trial investigation 38 indictments the prosecutor's office sent in the 21st year well to the court undisputed 50 by the 22nd year 70 e-e 70 implementations the statute of limitations expires at the end of the 33rd year but for 5-6

years a not complicated case may hang in in the courts of the first instance well, in short, this is the situation, there are many people who say that they are guilty. and how would you tell her, oh, and their uh , themis didn't get it, that's what was said, let's say it, mr. igor. thank you for finding time for us, i have a question for you, by the way. tangent sometimes i have the impression that when a ukrainian sees injustice in front of him right here and now, he very loudly shouts injustice, let's punish it, but when he doesn't see it, or this injustice takes a year, two or three, he waves his hand and says yes, god is with them, so what? they haven't been found in nine years. well, what are we going to look for them? there is no such, you know, such and such national

trait of ukrainians , what are they? well, i already know, okay, well, they have something, even though it is a murder, even though it is, uh, catastrophic consequences yanukovych's stance and reaction to this confrontation, but maybe society says yes, it's okay, they didn't plant during this time, so there's no need to plant. you don't have that impression , mr. yuriy. no, i don't have that impression. this is absolutely not our national trait, but it is explained a very clear, clear situation, in fact, many ukrainians are burning out little by little, so to speak, because they are everywhere at the same time. they protect ukraine here inside the country, they are at the front, they are fighting corruption, they are fighting corrupt judges, we asked femid, well, can you name ukrainian femida feminia, this is a big question, and that's why i don't really think that ukrainians, let's say, put their hands down and say

no, we don't care, on the contrary, literally almost all the time, especially on days when we remember these events together, the whole society, these questions arise all the time as urgent and as the most important visitors to our museum come not only from ukraine and abroad, and the first question is who is to blame and what are you punished for? there are enough resources, purely human resources, to go to court, to courts that simply sabotage the participants in the process, that find , well, elementary catchphrases to delay, to bring to the end of antiquity, literally activists who are constantly there. and this is a group of wounded people on the maidan, they say that they have already visited 600 cases and relatives of them it was reported that out of the 80 judges according to their

register with whom they had to deal , only a few can be trusted. this situation is actually a struggle and ukrainians don't care because sooner or later justice should be restored here in ukraine mr. game and where where is the most problematic the problematic place is everything in the prosecutor's office in the investigative bodies in the courts that is, where where is this needle where is this needle in the egg and so on and so on and so on and so on is it there is it just that the whole system is so rotten that you can't find where injustice begins, where it ends, it's everywhere, please, yes , everything depends on a specific situation - that's exactly what our unreformed or semi-reformed

judicial judicial system is, it's the biggest the problem is right there, it is a black hole where all the evidence, the evidence, all the criminal proceedings directed by the investigative bodies, i mean the office of the general prosecutor and the dbr, they simply dissolve there, disappear and hang around, and that is why all the participants in these processes, in particular , the lawyers who defend the victims on mayda even according to the prosecutors , and just a few days ago we heard their report and discussed these problems, even before the war, a draft law was submitted and submitted , which should have moved from its place and broken this needle, but it turns out that it was passed only in at the first hearing and that's why it was suspended. in fact, we need a reform where the judges will really be ukrainians and will really take the side of the innocent and justice , everything is the only one issue. because in fact the chain

was very long, and for all 9 years, we watched a lot of complaints from investigators and prosecutors . that the investigation was delayed, investigative experiments were carried out there for a long time, but even the law enforcement officers say that almost 90% of the investigative actions there have been completed, and you yourself called that statistic, how many cases have already been sent to the courts, but here are the court decisions, and you and them. several dozen of them, and it is probably not based on the main charges. that is why this issue in general is relevant and it speaks very, well, quite widely in society , but we really need reform and, by the way, activists draw the attention of foreign countries and representatives of foreign countries that finance, in particular, the state of ukraine, to carry out effective and timely reforms, and this is precisely the judicial reform, it is very urgent, and here we need a clear control of whether

the reforms are really taking place or whether they are being imitated the last question would not be games, but why su- that is, you understand, i am myself well, either the judges are so soviet or the judges take bribes only then whose question, well, what if i, when i draw the picture you are telling me, and i draw in my head, well, the judge sits before he knows about it already, because he does not live on the moon. he knows what happened in the 14th year, in the 13th year, how it happened, how many victims, and so on, and so on. everyone has already written about it, not only in ukraine and and he generally says and i will slow down. that's why he will slow down, there are only two options. what is it like in the soviet union? power is always right. once yanukovych said to shoot, it means that it was necessary to shoot or something. vasya pupkin brought

a thousand dollars. well, conditional yes, there are 10,000, i don’t know and said listen, come on, don’t consider this case . here’s your money drag as you can what judges what are they in their heads or in their pockets but here everything is quite visible, you and i are not hypothesizing about the situation, but the law enforcement agencies, the office of the x-ray prosecutor of the dbr, the state bureau of investigation, have collected the evidence base and opened criminal proceedings collected the evidence base and sent it here. in other words, there is clear evidence of crimes committed by officials during the events on the maidan, so the issue here is obvious , but they are not considered by the courts, but the courts , well, of course, we know who led our judicial system very recently, and one conclusion is all or the remnants of pro-russian forces that still protect

the yanukovych regime , in particular. it didn't work, we are continuing today in the form of a war, that's why the question is obviously rhetorical, and even the prosecutor general's office prosecutors are already talking about the need to discipline judges, our legislation, you will add, is structured like this. for example, they are always looking for loopholes to not fulfill their duty, but on the other hand on the other hand, many activists have already appealed to the security service of ukraine to check these judges, but they are really on the clean side and whether they perform their duties qualitatively and professionally, ihor said. sewed by the general director of the national museum of the revolution of dignity and the participants of the initiative

, the headquarters of the rescue of the heritage, meaning the legacy that was left behind by this revolution of dignity, in which many ukrainians participated 9 years ago , mass confrontations and mass murders began. thank you , igor, for finding time for us yes, it’s just that every day when i run the program, i talk to different people and i ask myself how much work lies ahead in terms of reforming , reforming, this whole judicial system, this a huge number of judges. and where to get new ones? well, let me tell you all, let's fire them all . let's go in and find new precinct policemen. it's probably easier than finding judges. and there are no less than precinct judges, but the qualifications must be completely different. in short, it's a huge problem. and it's just us. we are talking about judges. and there are also so many different

people there, from cleaners and saleswomen to sellers, teachers to judges to deputies of local central cities to heads of cities and towns, and so on and so on, it is easy to reform everything is necessary, and now when they start saying that we will quickly enter europe into the european union with nato well, let's have someone who wants to join very quickly, i would advise him to write the reform of the judicial system, but if he brings papers with the reform of the judicial system, then i will we are allowed to speak. let's quickly join the european union and criticize the european union for not taking ukrainians to its ranks, and if we are not insulted by simply shouting, we should join immediately. show us how to do it, how

it can be done, how to conduct i just canceled one judicial reform with the help of yevdokid for such an outstanding georgian reformer . literally three weeks after he died, it is still unknown whether the russians poisoned him . he says that this is the most difficult reform , the most difficult reform in georgia. many reforms were indeed carried out by him and saakashvili, the then president, but he says judicial reform is very difficult, so let's be a little more restrained , yes, let's go yulia meeting of two dictators lukashenko arrived in moscow for negotiations with putin, this booth arranged the meeting, what was the purpose of the meeting? i think mrs. yulia had no purpose

you, for example, for what purpose are you meeting ms. yulia with ms. vera, for example, do you know about vera? maybe she studied with you at school, maybe in kindergarten, you know everything about her , you know everything about her parents, but you want to talk with like-minded people , although you will not learn anything new, like from sveta ot so here you write beautifully, two dictators , there are not so many dictators. there are so many countries on the map of the world . there are so many countries. the dictator is such a soft dictator. they are hidden, but they all speak a different language. you can win venezuela. but there you need to know spanish to speak easily, you can go to north korea there, you need to speak in korean, you can speak in china there . well, many people think that there is authoritarianism in china too, but it may not be a dictatorship, it may not be that authoritarian, it's a totalitarian system, it's

authoritarian. that's right, but there the chinese language is shorter, i want to talk and there is no one to talk to they are not allowed to go to europe neither one nor the other to asia how will you come there, some president of e-e kazakhstan will say that i do not recognize this luhansk and donetsk region, the mood is deteriorating, but here the mood is not deteriorating alone they know one thing, they came up the tree, i don't believe all this talk that putin is talking about lukashenka to start and allow some kind of attack on ukraine, did the russian troops join, i don't believe it, i don't want yanuko, yanukovych, lukashenko to fight in ukraine, he understands he is a cunning person, he understands what this is it can be very bad for him because of that, he can lose , lose, not just lose the country. and you mean his own life

, that's why putin will be cracked on him , it won't be special either, because putin is also not an idiot, he understands that if you put a lot of pressure on him, he can escape to europe and then who will putin be able to talk to when there is not even lukashenko, a whole disaster don't forget that a person is a collective animal, a public animal, yes, that's why it's always necessary well, come on , in one minute i'll tell you a beautiful story. in the cell, he is such a terrible murderer who killed at least 54 people. well, i wanted to interview him, went to zhytomyr, there is such a big prison , such a real prison, and i talked there with the people who ran this prison then, i don't know why

they are not doing such things now always psychologists. they have to understand who is sitting, what kind of people, what is a criminal, what is not a criminal. that's when i realized that there are such specific people, the same unpleasant ones, they are not normal, oh, they are mentally ill, and then i spoke with the director of this prison and he said no doubt they are all sick. all mass murderers are sick, but society can't treat it. such hatred for such people . well, that's what i'm going to propose . let's not judge putin. he 's crazy. let him be crazy and let

him live his life. i'm crazy i think that i would have been pelted with rotten eggs for this and done the right thing, and he then said, i guarantee you that he is crazy . he wants to talk to someone at least once a month or at once for six months he can't a person can't not talk normally if he doesn't ask he's crazy and if he asks to talk to someone you'll be the first i'll call you so i've never been called by her so and so this onaprienko died at one time i realized that if a person, m.m., a person cannot not communicate, the same lukashenko cannot not communicate, but there is no one with whom, that means he will be with putin, and putin cannot not communicate, but there is no one

, which means lukashenko. ukraine after the victory and entry into the borders of 1991, russia can continue shelling ukraine, or ukraine the second israel and will periodically be bombarded with missiles what are the chances of ukraine joining nato quickly after the victory thank you anna, the chances are small, again, i can only to return to the judicial branch of government, and this is one of the items in the list of necessities for ukraine to join nato, there are also judicial reforms , which means here and there. imagine what to do with this judicial reform, it is very, very, very difficult . second, as i understand it, there will be an exit 90, i hope here to not make it difficult at the border of 91 russia , the idea of ​​putin, the idea of ​​anti-putin, the idea of ​​an anti-putin coalition is

to weaken russia to the point where it will not be able to fire at anyone even with a gun , but what ukrainians know how it is burn 6 on milk and water duet are such russian proverbs , but i have no doubt that the ukrainians will seek to turn into israel , even if 150 nuclear weapons fall all over russia and all of us will be recognized by humanity that it cannot do anything anyway ukrainians are trained with this experience, the 22nd and the beginning of the 23rd year will want to turn into israelis into swiss finns , that is, into such a country where each and every one will be ready, if necessary, to take up arms and go to defend their state and their

society. so i think both this and this and this and it will be no matter what fate befalls russia. i think that they will have a much worse fate than the ukrainians, but all the same, ukrainians will think , will think, no, no, we will still be ready, we must always be ready for what we were not ready for ready as early as february 23 of last year, if you told the mykolayat journalists at the meeting between putin and lukashenko that they would ask putler and bulba, the figure would not allow me to go there under all conditions, these are people who have not communicated for a long time, they communicate only with people who bow what creeping people you will never get it, they would immediately get information about mykola, they would find out that he is sometimes so cranky and asks some unpleasant questions, which means you don't need to give him an interview. and so on and so forth, and

so on. like this with a beautiful honest journalist and it is so easy to get to someone somewhere, it is always a difficult approach and when someone criticizes me, sometimes my colleagues criticize me and say , oh, he did an interview there, not there, but i would, if i did an interview, then i would ask you first go and agree on an interview and then you will be a beautiful checker immediately on some beautiful bucephalus to run and take an interview, all people are so zealous, so brave, and especially putin and lukashenko, they are not stupid. they know how to adjust so that

the questions are acceptable and pleasant flattering that's why it's all a conversation what if then i would ask like this would it be firstly secondly you know some asked some questions then not all survived some asked nine questions and then didn't survive that's why you know it so easily sitting in lviv in a beautiful warm studio think and i would ask a question and they didn't think about the presence of an eye and about the fate of bory nemtsov no one no everything is fine so there is no need to pretend that everyone here is brave i have had cases of risk taking and not one that's why i understand exactly how it all looks think in this direction now a lot of people are writing that russia and russia are not choosing any new tactics or do you not think that putin has chosen a strategy for a long-term war based on the example of a raw full

definition of ukraine and how in that song we will appreciate for this war, everyone is discussing some kind of peaceful water , will you have to, that it can’t be completely on the example of japan, the union or two koreas, and we will live in such a way for such a long time thank you yaroslav no, i don’t think so, because uh, the main domestic product of ukraine and its allies make up about 60% of the main gross domestic product of the world. 60% of the world is 100%. and these countries of europe plus america plus canada plus japan plus australia plus new zealand are about 60 when you consider the domestic product of russia to be 1.8, that is, in 30 times less than more than 30

times then i have a question, who is this long-term war on the example of syria, who is the first to be exhausted, the one who has 60%. or who am i, one and a half or two percent, the answer is you yourself know that the russians have nothing, i am afraid that they do not even have nuclear weapons that are suitable for use. they do not have a huge number of them , almost without, well, an endless number of people, but these people will and take to throw ukrainian into the war the army will destroy these people every day more and more effectively, if not to be bruised, but because weapons will come and gradually gradually gradually well look at what they are talking about now at the munich security conference and the number of russians will decrease decrease well what will happen next is unknown because if they love

to die so much you cannot deny suicide to any suicide bomber if a suicide bomber really wants to go to the front and go out and be killed. well, we can't do anything here . that's why i think that's why there won't be any agreements with these peaceful ones. by the way, i'm very, very happy with medvedchuk's idea about these two ukraines that there is such a different ukraine is like ukraine, for example, like korea, as vietnam once was. why do i love medvedchuk ? i generally think that he should write a secret decree and appoint him the hero of ukraine , because if medvedchuk did not exist, we would have lost the war. we would never have a victory much more, we would never have uh maidan victories

, we would never have a-ah revolutions because i remember when medvedchuk swore in the fourth year that never in his life i guarantee 150% yushchenko will not the president is everything medvedchuk does not, never, never in his life, he does not appear, if he says tomorrow, i guarantee the victory of russia over ukraine, rejoice, this means that there will never be this victory. if he did not steal all this money that putin gave him, then what was the first phase of the war and so he lied to him that the ukrainians are weak, take bribes in the army , there is nothing, you can easily go in and win the war. thank you, mr. medvedchuk, now

he says we need two ukraines, that's fine, that means there will never be two ukraines, that's why i always said that if he listens to medvedchuk god grant that putin will continue to listen to medvedchuk in the future. i'm only for yes, let's move on . how do you evaluate the new munich speech of our president, especially the part about the fact that there is no great corruption in our country, only a small one remained? the president comes out and says, listen, don't give us loot and don't give us weapons, no, no, because we are corrupt, that's how we steal everything here that you bring to us in some guns, we will immediately sell them to african countries where there are civil wars, well, you know, put yourself in the place of the president, you know it's so cool to stand aside and criticize but i was involved

in it myself so i know what i'm saying corruption will happen and it will be for a long time even though i have my friends, my acquaintances, my good acquaintances say that asking years can be overcome i am not so optimistic. please tell me why the authorities wanted to appoint budanov as the minister of defense. is it possible to elect someone who was in this position until 19 years old, but the army was being effectively built up ? this is mr. oleg, i'm not here, i don't really believe in it, the army has been around since 1991. they've built up badly, a little better, a little worse, but what about budanov, because i don't know who said that he should have been, one of the deputies said that there should be a house, that's all, well, no need

believe everything, now we have a certain minister of defense, he stayed, but it is not oleg who makes the decision, but volodymyr oleksandrovich zelenskyi, he was elected by 73%, and he chooses the one who will be the minister of defense during the time of the mass shootings on the maidan, today is the anniversary of the mass shootings on the maidan, i will try to make it , do you remember do you remember these days, i was then wounded women were brought to the moscow hotel with me, it was called that at the time. from the moscow hotel, i broadcast reports on the bbc to london and i saw all this, i saw all this, i felt it with my eyes, with my hands, and i couldn't believe my eyes. so this was not the first, not the second, and not the 23rd time in my life , but the second time today. i am happy to hand over the floor to iryna koval, who will tell me about the news, and i will say