[000:00:00;00] and you, as professionals who follow the munich security conference from year to year and other important international events, know that , for example, two years ago, a year ago , the key topic was afghanistan, today , you know, it has been pushed aside by other problems of the world today, a key place occupies ukraine, as we must realize that the world is really faced with a lot of problems every day , it is very important for us that while the world's attention is focused on us, that we use it correctly from the point of view of obtaining weapons, approaching the e-e there is a senate of integration and very serious work that needs to be started right now, and not in some myths, but serious with regard to the future reconstruction of ukraine, but the world will of course look for opportunities to get out there with minimal losses

from and everything depends on ukraine, they our partners say that the issue is, for example territorial integrity, we will first of all take into account, well, your position. how do you see the phased releases there and how do you see it? although it is obvious to us that we strive to completely restore our territorial integrity integrity and sovereignty, but at the same time protect the lives of ukrainian soldiers and this is impossible without a serious strengthening of ukraine's armed forces, for example, at the conference there in the fields , the topic of airplanes was often heard, and our partners say, well, you understand that first of all, to learn to pilot a modern nadtovsk airplane it takes a year for the sample, come on, let’s start teaching our pilots now, we’ll talk about it further , the partners say, well, now you’re taking tanks there, talking about planes, it could be such a

pre-assembled salt shaker, such a borscht from the technique of various countries, nothing, nothing. we are sure that our military will master all this. let's quickly help us switch to nato-style equipment and weapons. the main thing is that we do not waste the time and lives of our soldiers. thank you, iryna . thank you very much. on the phone, it will be short now, let's listen to people suffering from rheumatism and arthrosis of the joints, it's so piercing, it's impossible to get used to it , it doesn't allow me to move. pain in rheumatism, relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves mobility, only in case of pain in the joints and back, damned stairs , my legs can't walk anymore, i'm suffocating, neighbors, wait, i'm a soul

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, urination under control, let's continue the saturday political club program on the espresso angelika television channel, season so, mr. vitaly, i suggest that we start our conversation with the new statements of vladyslav surkov, who said that the russian federation did not intend to fulfill the minsk agreements, we wanted to do everything so that ukraine would fulfill them, and then dmytro piskov he also confirmed in fact that this is not news for us. we have seen that they are not fulfilled. ukraine was not going to fulfill the minsk agreements and be said, you see, merkel deceived me, she promised in fact, she did it so that they could prepare for war and now suddenly it turns out that russia also wanted this confession changes something for the international community , of course, at first everyone did not know how these

minsk regions were. well, let's understand the main task of the minsk agreements was to stop the war in this situation when the ukrainian armed forces could hardly continue this war on wide areas of the front. this is an important topic, by the way, because we don't even realize what happened. when the events in donbas began, exactly in volodymyr's donbas. putin had a clear idea that he could solve these problems with the participation of groups of saboteurs who would of course be supported by the russian troops, but indirectly by a small group of saboteurs there, there was not even a dpr of the lpr when strilkov came to slovyansk and announced about this people's mayor ponomarev everyone has already forgotten about it, but the reason was that there is no ukrainian army , that it is demoralized, and the most important thing is that it is far away because these brigades in the east, which were created during the reign of viktor

yushchenko, were destroyed by viktor yanukovych deliberately and shifted to the west, where of course the main danger was, and in principle, all this happened in the beginning . and by and large, it was the right plan , because the ukrainian army really did not have the opportunity to quickly redeploy, and it could find itself faced with the fact that it is the ukrainian army that it here came the donetsk luhansk odesa kharkiv people's republic, the force structures of the people's militia, and what should be fought with all this when they have already raised the flag and their pseudo-states, but putin did not calculated that volunteer battalions will also be created on this side of the ukrainian side, which by and large will paralyze the possibilities of deploying the energy of these , essentially, a couple of military and sabotage holes, and at the time when they were fighting with these

volunteer battalions , the ukrainian army stood up there, and against the ukrainian army these all the forces were unable to fight, that is why we made it possible to dislodge the enemy from three-fourths of the occupied territory, also occupied by scraps, in a fairly short period of time, and then putin decided that without participation of regular russian troops, he will not be able to hold this territory, but part of the territory was needed as a bridgehead for a further attack in the east, because crimea is a bridgehead for an attack in the south, it is a springboard for an attack in the east, and then when they unite, such a corridor emerges, from which it is possible to go further belarus didn't exist then, belarus only had the idea that it was possible to attack kyiv from the territory of belarus in the 20th year, it didn't exist then, it appeared later, and in this situation it was possible to

defend only these positions, so they are introducing regular troops, the first moment was novo azov, remember, it was from the sea and it turns out that it was precisely with the regular russian troops that we were studying, taking into account the armament. measures of ideas that need to stop the conflict. and here they are, macron olan pulls out, initially on the norman format , because in order to pre-inaugurate poroshenko , they create such a mechanism, and then within the framework of this norman format, it is already found when the battles near debaltsevo are going on, they are terrible, terrible. and then there is this strange agreement in which everyone pursues his goals, the west freezes

the conflict, ukraine develops such mechanisms that , in principle, did not give russia the opportunity to maintain control over these territories, because these agreements clearly state that the withdrawal of foreign troops and any elections under the ukrainian control of the control of the central election commission, a separate separate special status is temporary within the framework of ukrainian legislation and there are certain moments of such autonomies, of which the most, er, more dangerous is the creation in each of these districts. there is no dpr, lpr, putin did not think of it even before that, the serbs thought of it when they proposed an association of serbian policemen in kosovo to me, that is, the unification of districts, we did not think of anything, everyone

like that the district should have its own type of people's militia, it is dangerous to agree with the prosecutor . in this way, but in any case , the economic life of these districts depends on kyiv, and everyone perfectly understands that if these agreements are implemented, sooner or later they will simply or otherwise, with any statuses there, ukraine is controlled so that putin is not satisfied. but he has his own goal in these agreements, and then the game with the clauses of his own area began. he wants to use these agreements to destabilize the situation in ukraine, not that we will fulfill them. but the fact that everyone the step-by-step path to their implementation of the political destabilization of the situation. and where the stabilization of the situation creates for him the opportunities that he always talked about since the 15th year. it seems to me that it is not the accession of the dpr

of the lpr to ukraine, but the accession of ukraine to the dpr and the lpr and all our politicians and experts all tell me what a delusion it is, how can such a large territory be annexed to the small one, so-and-so well, now it is clear, so-and-so well, that is why they certainly did not intend to implement them, because they knew very well that if they followed the points of their implementation, then it takes away control. well, if they know that they are holding on to power so that they cannot even trust the local elite who betrayed ukraine because they are replacing this local elite with motorolas and zacharchenkas and poshylins of all kinds of abomination. they they don't bring yanukovych there, now that medvedchuk is writing texts about the second country, i want to ask him, but it's interesting . why didn't you create a second ukraine if you had part of the territory of ukraine under your control ? and you consider yanukovych a legitimate president, part of the territory of ukraine is which

is not controlled by the nazi authorities. well , let the president, the prime minister, the head of the sbu, the minister of internal affairs, the head of the national bank , the prosecutor general, the korean scenario, and these are all the people you consider legitimate, come there there were no nazi parliamentarians to push him and they didn’t do it, so that wasn’t their goal, of course it wasn’t their goal, but why is it only medvedchuk ’s promotion ? who was just an adviser to the office. well, it’s already very strange , it’s all arranged, listen, believe me , it doesn’t matter what people who are not involved say, yes, such rhetoric does not harm the audience because russia is picking up on

the audience, maybe it does harm some people who are used to living in these narratives, but this has nothing to do with real life, you understand, well, there are some people who live in such a world, there are a huge number of them among ukrainians, among liberal russians and russian women . well, because this is the only available language in which they say that everything is wrong what do you think and with you too and it's nice you know such a balm for wounds oh oh and you know it's all the journalism of the balzac age oh how exactly you wrote to me in italy that's why i but medvedchuk everything else it's important because it really arises question and what does he need this time? i think that this is the way to create several regimes of several regimes on the territory of ukraine of influence

, that is, they have an eternal simple idea, the first regime is the territories annexed to the russian federation, and if you name these, it is simply crimea and the corridor to crimea what they have now annexed is that they annexed not zaporizhia kherson oblast and donetsk and luhansk oblasts, but a corridor to crimea, because if you consider that they need crimea as a bridgehead for ukraine and for the mainland to reach the black sea that is why the corridor to crimea is needed. the crimean place is not the one that ensures the life of the bridgehead, that is, the corridor to the bridgehead. the second could be a regime

that they no longer annex the occupied territory. honey metkinchyn and there will be a dynasty first medvedchuk then his wife mother what is her name marchenko oksana the first and then someone means these oh and then their son now they will adopt him and he will then be these princes of the old country and this will be how the copper regime honey mederzhim such honey ambulance it will be easier for us to win back this territory then what you i tell you as you want from the territory that is already temporarily occupied about it doesn't have any relevance to reality at all, you just ask how they see it, i'll tell you how do you see what this pe-corridor means is the first zone, the second zone, the zone, the zone of

kim jong-med, then the zone of the nazi regime, and then the zone of polish occupation will never happen, i am not saying that it will just sit with them for meetings, then the money. you understand that viktor medvedchuk can now tell vladimir putin that he cannot, we are creating the government of the second ukraine and the parliament of the second ukraine and the national bank of the second ukraine, our hryvnia is good the hryvnia will be on ours , the hryvnia will mean 500 hryvnias on e-e . he is ot and but that's the same it needs to be guaranteed by gold in our national bank, so please let the national bank, the central bank of russia, allocate gold to us to maintain the stability of our good hryvnia, so that we can then, when we come

to the capital of our second ukraine, people can immediately salaries to be paid there if you give them there because twice as much we will even call this currency the ruble so we already need the money and that we need money for beautiful military uniforms for the army of the second ukraine , we still need to give the money we need for television of the second ukraine, which we will make. we still need money for oksana's show, because she already wants to host, she already wants to prepare. but russia has talent, a ballerina has talents, 30 wigs , she wants a beautiful falcon coat . no, 10,000 e-e new ukrainian rubles, and one ukrainian ruble is equal to 50 us cents, so we have to buy these t-shirts from yudashkin , i don't know if he's still alive, i don't know either. well

, in any case, he makes beautiful clothes, and here he will be this means that your eyes will be diamond-shaped, and your belly will be diamond-shaped. it means that with such a beautiful carat diamond, which oksana has already seen in a jewelry store on the table alley, and we already want to drink it now, this blonde will definitely use it in this beautiful t-shirt to whom i will speak at rallies in the second ukraine in july because it will be hot there, this is the south , we need silk handkerchiefs to address erdogan because he has already released medvedchuk, so maybe you don't need to find in handkerchiefs or maybe you need something beautiful a dress to go somewhere zambita option or can buy a textile factory in china to sew oksana a dress is the best well, listen and how important is well, you see, we are already alone with you in this world, and we

already have about 2-3 billion e rubles of the new second ukraine are not going to be spent. well, it is logical that we should not create it, but we have already created airships, and airships must be an airline , airships are beautiful, one will be called medvedchuk, he will also be called putin , well, that is, the plans of the citizens. well, that's all for you. and about that how can we liberate the territory there it is simply necessary to free the territory only located in our internationally recognized vasco-stut borders. you have not seen any other ways at the moment . consciousness, and now he repeated on international platforms and in an interview with the bbc that there will be no peace, that it is impossible to talk with the russian federation, especially in the face of putin, and the question is not about compromises

, as he said in an interview with the bbc, but about who to go to this compromise, we don't trust putin , that's why we won't talk to him. but manuel macron, the french president, says that the change of power in russia will not change anything, this regime does not need to be changed, how can we convince people like macron, i think that macron is absolutely right because the issue is not a change of power in russia, because we will live all the time with russian domestic political changes, we can hope that if there is no putin there will be no war and if there is, if we wait, then putin will be president for another 10 years and then he gave 80 years, the president will step down, medvid will say well, well, not medved, but someone else and there will be no war. and it will be in the next president. i think that it is necessary to approach this. i want to approach it like macron. we need security guarantees, such security guarantees. so that never

a war could not come from the russian land to the ukrainian land, this is a member of the party, and macron is already saying that no negotiations are necessary , even if he was a person who was constantly trying to jump the trap i completely said that all these young people have exhausted their way, you know the negotiations. zelenskyi, i think, sincerely wanted to come to an agreement with putin, he believed that there was a political toolkit for agreements, uh, maybe he was not very aware of putin's goals and hoped that if he started to speak, he would propose something, and in russian the parties will talk and offer something. well, they simply, firstly , they wiped his feet and his desires, and secondly, they began to insult him personally, what is wildness? have already switched to individuals, secondly, they were obviously going to kill him for the third time, i give if it is already the third to the fourth time, i think that they are going now, so there is always

the question of what, uh, there could be negotiations, i think that putin is with himself to any negotiations with zelensky, he will bring nothing or some other poison, he inserted a glass of wine, you know . why don't you drink tea, ask lukashenko from some journalists who came to him . this is tea for you, no tea, drink it yourself. александры tea is for you by the way you mentioned lukashenko but i'm curious. when he came to putin, putin thanked him for the meeting, and lukashenko still says, well , i had options not to come. this is basically a recognition of one's reliability or bullying. yes , this is a form of bullying. thank you for coming. что а как and i could, что ли refuse and if i could, then i wouldn't go to you , someone needs this kind of phrase, you know, it looks like a victim is talking to a dictator about this

situation, speak with a victim of pressure, you understand , no, it's my fault, he came himself, it's not interesting in fact, because lukashenko likes to position himself as a strong leader. well, he is a strong leader in belarus. when it comes to putin, is he alone? he didn't position himself that way, you know, and there are people who are a typical type, you know. of a family rapist who beats his wife, children, abuses them, comes o-o-o drank this or that vodka, i'll drink all of them here, then it means he wakes up at nine o'clock in the morning and spilled that he was already 3 hours late for work. worth it as it is i'll do it i'll do it all i'll do it now i'll do it i'll do it just don't overtake me, that's the kind of guy well, that's all and uh, taking into account the soviet situation with lukashenko, he just came from there, that 's why i'm not surprised, and by the way, he's putin, he doesn't

answer and remembers as a rule, a person who comes to the secretary of the port com and you say well thank you thank you sasha что зашёл ога and i could not go in one how did they release well that's all and why does lukashenko go to the seat i think sisin-pin is still such a strong leader geopolitical player is important well, who such is lukashenko. lukashenko is the president , the self-proclaimed president , but the president of the country through which the transit of chinese products to europe is carried out. that is, it is an economic situation because china does not have many such countries that it can resist in europe . comply with the standards of the european union, it is possible through hungary, but hungary is just a part of the european union, and it is white, so you can play various games and, uh, these calls, you can be worried

that this is a transit window, so the window closes that every day the countries of the european union are closing more and more crossings from belarus, and this is absolutely not in the interests of tkner, so those in bikinis may think that, by and large, it is necessary to talk with lukashenko about his future intentions , what he is going to do next regarding the economic situation how to get out of the situation or is it possible for both of us to come between the drops i think that this zelpin is basically not interested in belarus remaining a bridgehead for russian aggression, he is interested in the continuation of the aggression itself, but not in that in the form that it exhausts us and the west yes, but he is not interested that belarus

was an element of this aggression, the question here is how much it can be influenced. that i can come myself, and there is lukashenko's sovereignty, there was always an attempt to maneuver between the west and russia , even after he turned out to be involved in a whole series of belarusian part-time politicians, by and large lukashenko has already disappeared a long time ago . since the 90s, serial killers are political. nevertheless, he tried to talk with europe there, in the end, the period of 14-15 years there was his real hold. how he kicked them out back in the 90s, before he began to take their residences because he wanted to live there as a baryu himself, and even then when he landed the plane, you remember to

arrest the journalist protasevich, so then they thought how to transfer all this from minsk process, but they still couldn't because everything was tied to minsk, that is, he was so desirable, what is relevant about this is that it was because of the coronavirus, so in this regard , he has no such possibility of maneuver left. i don't want to see him, but there is china and china are objectively interested in several things, the first is the weakening of the west, but the second is that russia does not become stronger as a result so that it can dictate its conditions to the civilized world and china itself so that they suffer economic

losses and china, in principle, objectively are interested in keeping the former soviet republic, which is not oriented towards the west in important conditions, maintained its sovereignty but oriented towards china, i.e. ukraine russia can take away for questioning because it is about the west but belarusian kazakhstan may not be touched here and you can also talk about it if putin wants to turn belarus into a springboard for an attack on ukraine so sidyepin may want to leave belarus as an agent of his own influence in europe, just like that and that's why . invited joseph biden to minsk, they say why are you going to poland, better come to minsk, let’s talk here in three java and putin and about the end of the war in ukraine, what is this statement

again, i and lenin are in the room, photos on the white steppe, here doroshenko can also hang out with this photo of biden, putin and i need photos have become that paradigm, he can also take a photo of football players and talk to them, it will be himself, this is his dream, so i think that it is simply not to a certain extent, it is not two things, it is probably an inadequacy lukashenko because if you imagine that biden will talk to putin and putin is ready to talk to his father, they are ready to talk to each other, why are you here? the last person they need here in this configuration is lukashenko, who is lukashenko? where is this lukash, where is lukashenko, there is no lukashenko there and here lukashenko, let's get out, but the point is that at the same time lukashenko can be used as such a signal flashlight that moscow wants to talk behind

america, but i don't really believe in the seriousness of these namibs, well, again, notice that this signal we will talk with baider, but in this configuration, lukashenko is also strange. in this configuration, we are two aggressors, but there is no zelensky. we want to talk about the aggression against ukraine by biden . is ready to talk with lukashenko, then it is obvious that zelensky should also be close to baider. no, lukashenko. somehow it does not occur to me, which once again indicates that they are trying to say that, you know , zelensky is useless, this is all a company they are at war with the countries of the direction, the ukrainian leadership will do as the biker says, they are just puppets, and lukashenko is not such a puppet, he is such an independent person in general, just simply incredibly simple , the level of freedom is directly proportional to the level