[000:00:00;00] ah, it brought to naught the plans that were made and the operational measures that were used , and in counterintelligence, you know, at that time it was active that which directly affected the black sea fleet located in the crimea and the continuation of this black sea fleet, but then even more that the release of all people which will then be involved and active measures will be taken, well, this essentially nullified the level of trust on the part of the western special services, and it is precisely because of such actions that there is a lack of trust, but i also want to say that it is possible. well, as i assessed western special services that the new political leadership of the state, which let's just say so, is getting the necessary leadership experience, received the necessary information, that is , according to their estimates. perhaps so, and according to putin's estimates, it was more the most successful time to attack

our state, because they believed that in these 30 years maybe it was at this time that our state was the weakest in this regard, there is such a certain clarification, let's say, i would like you to comment here we are literally four days before the invasion on the defense express website published a study of this british institute in a movement called a plan to destroy ukraine. literally four days before the russian invasion, this british study said that uh, and it is known that the ukrainian government has agents and foreign intelligence services uh, it is conditional saying people who work for the russian federation and at the same time such a phrase was written that these russian agents are actually well -known, but kyiv does not want to take active

measures to destroy this russian agency in order not to create additional tension in society , relatively speaking, and despite the fact that there was evidence that actually there are significant risks of those or other persons, in your opinion, what then prevented the ukrainian special services from actively carrying out measures related to the rooting out of russian agents in various structures that influenced these processes and prepared our country for the invasion of the enemy . allow me to assume that the greatest threat was indeed the influence of russia, and during the entire existence of the ukrainian state, this serious work was not carried out at a sufficient level and the infiltration of russian agents, it happened, began not only during the time of yanukovych as president, but it has not actually happened since the independence of our ukraine, and this is what we have

today as a result of the military action of russia against ukraine, this is exactly what it is testimony about the lack of creation of the necessary tough counter-regime inside the state by the enemies there, in the majority , you know, the sbu received, well, let's say , the legacy of the kgb and such tough measures there lustrations that were introduced, for example, in the countries of the west, and our post-soviet countries, such as the baltic countries, your estonia, latvia, and such strict measures were not carried out in ukraine , for example, the elimination of what the people who studied continued to carry out developed. that is, all these people continued to serve, and certainly psychologically and mental they were focused on let's say so on the bed of the soviet s- on the soviet consciousness and for

them in general the entire western world has always been an enemy and precisely because of this today we see this is one of the directions of putin's propaganda that the west wants to attack, the west is attacking, the west is taking all measures to gain access to the resources of russia, and it gives all this, she was inside these people, i do not want to offend many because certain people took such a position exclusively about ukrainian and generally took all necessary actions to create let's say these are the possibilities of building the ukrainian state, and you know that the first head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine was general zelenskyi, who at that time was in fact the head of the military counterintelligence of ukraine military intelligence e-e parables during the time of the soviet union in the kdb, but with internal, let’s say so consciousness, public position he created everything possible so that

a-a the main directorate of intelligence did not become a descendant of a-a the game of russian a was built from scratch in general and it was there at that time when the military-diplomatic academy was created, officers were recruited exclusively from the armed forces of ukraine, young guys who received the necessary training, and then ukrainian intelligence developed in our base on the basis of a-a, and today it has achieved more success than, well, let's say this could be imagined precisely due to the fact that there were only properly selected personnel, but at the basis of the creation of the head office was laid the principle of both professionalism and patriotism. associated with the beginning of hostilities in their active phase, there was such a strange interview of the former prime minister of israel

with the taliban. and where he talked about the fact that at the beginning of the war, putin promised him not to kill volodymyr zelenskyi, and more on that later informed zelenskyi and actually that this was agreed with the governments of the usa, germany and france, although several assassination attempts on volodymyr zelenskyi were then ensured. in your opinion , how typical are the risks for the leaders of countries during hostilities, and if you would comment on this fragment from natalie's interview at all beneda well, first of all, i want to say that then this person who forgives him in human language is a liar. that is, he is an irresponsible politician whose words are on guard and do you remember his review

when at the beginning of the 14th year he claimed that the seizure of crimea in the east of our country in the east of our country. he said that it was exclusively some local self-defense forces there, and we are not there, they are not there, and so on and the rest, and the same statements by all his henchmen , including on international platforms there and from the side of the ministry of foreign affairs of russia, i.e. putin is a liar, he lies at the mercy of the world. he is lying inside his own country now about the assassinations, that is, to say that he did not set a goal there to kill the president of ukraine - this is a complete lie and the interceptions themselves of radio-technical intelligence intelligence information that was obtained and it is possible for you to create these or execute such plans in the first days of hostilities , let's say, it was really a great luck of ukraine, but this does not mean that putin gave up

such plans, let's imagine the situation that putin was sufficient. she has the capabilities and the intelligence apparatus around, let's say so today, the political leadership of our country , if at the beginning of the war, maybe this apparatus was frightened and did not communicate with by the curators, but today under pressure they will definitely be activated again and this means that the threat to our leadership from putin's putin regime continues to be quite high, if it was the chechens there they should have just killed them with firearms then when such plans fail, you know, then they do not allow entry our, let's say, secret killers, they are poisoners, and this is the group of people who exterminated , let's say, the elite of the opposition movement in russia, representatives of the mass

media, but also carried out such measures from abroad and such examples are known to the world and you know that it is lytvynenko and the violinists who are still under investigation by the khm , let's say an attempt on the life of the candidate for the president at the time, the candidate for the presidency viktor andriyovych, so we do not rule out that he is such things they can there should be attempts to implement these measures. everyone should be for everything that affects the personal safety of our leadership. it should always be at a high level. does this mean that with such logic they approach the perception of the world, the same putin is maximally and very afraid for his own life and that's why he just disappears somewhere for certain periods of time, they say that there are his doubles, that he tries as much as possible to protect himself from contact with any environment, what do you know about this, do putin's doubles really exist, how can they

be distinguished, because in one of the interviews you talked about it. and it’s very simple, sergey. if we look at the footage of putin’s communication with his immediate circle and people, that is, it’s a long, long table and a great distance between them, and then we see putin during some events. such as a visit to olgograd or events related to some protocol matters, let's say, putin is not worried at all about these things and uses people who are as similar as possible to putin putin and they are used by his security services precisely to enable attempts on him or let's say yes, getting some kind of, let's say , viral disease, which can undermine the already weak state of health of the russian dictator, er, when we talk about the actions of

the russian army, the russians destroyed our the civilian population, let's remember bucha irpin, there on the dnipro, any cities where weapons are actually used to destroy children and women and civilians. and actually, the main directorate of intelligence even regularly prepares lists of these russian military units, including the russian officers who are involved to certain crimes, on the one hand, we talk about what we are doing there. we are preparing it for international tribunals, hoping for the international legal practice of punishment for such crimes in times of war, but there is also another part of people who believe about the fact that we should resort to active actions and demonstratively punish those russians, those military commanders in russia who are involved precisely in the killing of our civilian population , what is your opinion on this matter?

we will find and publicly punish these military men involved in such crimes. well, sergei , today ukraine is trying to restore control over our occupied territories , that is, to throw this entire russian horde abroad , but the end of military operations this will mean only a formal part of the ukrainian victory, a complete victory, the next one will happen when putin's regime is destroyed why because after the active end of hostilities, we will get, let's say yes, a continuation of the hybrid phase of this war that is, it will be postponed just as putin hated and will not hate our state and our existence, and he will only continue to fight from ukraine by hybrid means, prevent us from becoming successful , being among our friends there in the european

union or among nato member countries, and in this in this context, it is definitely important for us to understand that the war will not stop. it will simply move to a more hidden level, and it is important for us to realize that it is possible to destroy putin's regime in order to build a successful ukraine, and ukraine will never give up, let's say , its duty to punish those responsible for those victims . for the death of the civilian population of children and women, as well as all citizens who died or were injured as a result of this war, if possible, bring them to international responsibility through the creation of the international court of justice will not give the desired consequences because putin's russia, which will still be ruled by the putin regime, refused to issue them , as we can see with the results of the meeting

of the international criminal court in the case of the realization of the 17th, amen. approximately more than 300 peaceful people died in the east of our country thus, ukraine reserves the right to use any method to find these people and bring them to justice, or, if possible, to be on the territory of ukraine for the administration of justice or in case of the possibility of such cases is to take all the necessary measures so that they are punished, that's right now, and i'll add . of course, in this situation, we can also use the experience of masad, which successfully conducted such operations. you know this is one of the operations after the munich

the olympics, and they conducted a special operation to punish those terrorists who carried out this terrible act . you mentioned what will happen. let's put it this way, the cinema will have a certain period when the perception of russia will take place after the war, but there is something that i have a question about what should the image of our victory look like? because there are such systemic complications, on the one hand, some people say that we should reach the turn of the year 91 and this will actually be our victory, but then we actually understand that the enemy is simply retreating to his there, the territory is licking its wounds and preparing for a new war because the worst thing that can happen with russia is that it is not a war for us, but rather a truce, and other experts and politicians, including ukrainian

politicians, say that in fact our victory is actually the disintegration of the russian federation as such, so that these fragments of the russian empire do not pose a threat to ukraine itself , first of all, now the munich security conference will be held there, just one of the issues, this is precisely the prospect of a new world order there . and then the question arises: do they support their own our western and american partners, this is our vision that we need to achieve the disintegration of the russian federation as the basis for a safe existence, primarily of ukraine, in your opinion . what is the optimal model, what will be the reaction western american partners on the father of the vision of the future from the side of kyiv. i believe that if we look at history, until now there have been two models, for example, the first model is the occupation by the partner countries, let's say, of western germany, and then completely let's say the political forces dissolved and the regime changed

, and that is, it is through occupation or leading troops on the territory and achieving complete victory. or the second option is what we discussed today , that is, ukraine enters its borders in 1991 year and further, let's say it exists with the regime that exists and here the second scenario option is already revolutionary inside russia but for this the necessary conditions must be created there and from now on to be a cultural front against russia and i would like to say that today, let’s say so, the possibilities for such revolutionary changes within russia are already born why because let ’s imagine when the hostilities will end and are deceived by russian propaganda and these mobs or

the mobilized are returning back and they are no longer peaceful citizens, let's say, and these are people who have gained combat experience, have access to weapons , and they are already united among themselves . small cities all over the territory of russia, and i am curious about the question. and what is the place in these, well, let's say zed zed maidans inside russia will be occupied by modern russian liberal oppositionists or will they find a place already in this z-maidan? it seems to me that you are probably somewhat ideal approach the future of the russian federation, then i have to follow this scheme, relatively speaking, for putin, then it is important not to end the war at all before it becomes protracted, and the longer the war lasts, the more putin remains in power, because there is such a fmrn goal around which

you can build everything things in the russian federation itself, to cancel the elections, to suppress, uh, liberal movements, and actually what is the russian government doing right now, doesn't that mean something, giving such a version of the development of events that you propose, in fact, we after all, we are postponing the next stage of escalation already after our victory , leaving this country existing in such a format as it exists now. that putin really, well, his own hand never agrees and he will never accept defeat in ukraine and he will fight with us militarily until the last of his mobilized and we need to realize this and understand whether the turning point of the war

even after something is achieved there, our capabilities in the end, putin will not change like this, well, not one thing will stop and we need to prepare for the fact that he is going to strengthen, recruit, carry out the next waves of mobilization and throw everything at the defense of his regime, because defeat in the war will mean a record in those things, according to which we said it would be the defeat of his regime and his removal from power , rammstein literally ended this week, and there were interesting statements by high-ranking officials, in particular, the same nato secretary general says that there is a window for ukraine opportunities and a chance to change the situation in your favor, then there is the washington post, which says that the biden administration is telling the authorities in ukraine that

a decisive moment is coming that can change the course of the war. our partners are hinting at us there through their public statements and through the publications of famous snakes, what do you think about this? and i believe that today the western world, you know, has really rallied around ukraine and the opportunities the capabilities of the western world, let's say higher economic but technical advantage, weapons, they and they are obvious resources of russia, they are even despite the fact that this is a lot of natural resources with their resources, they are not limitless . waves of mobilization and to restore their capabilities, but it is precisely the military defeat that will be connected with

the superiority of western weapons, and today you know that in a day the enemy loses only in bakhmut directly from imagine 350 to 500 aha men every day and also up to 10-11 techniques , but this does not stop them, that is, they continue to attack, try to achieve any success there and show just before the speech before the federal assembly whether such success seems to be because putin there is nothing today at all to show to our own, let’s say yes, to our own internal audiences , uh, at the same time, the west really recognizes how effectively ukraine conducts hostilities against russia , and in particular, the minister of defense of great britain , it seems there was yesterday or the day after

the day before yesterday he said that 97%, uh, of the russian army is actually on the territory of ukraine, 40% of russia's military power. two-thirds of the tanks have already been destroyed. they have already been destroyed, and when you listen to these statements, in principle , you get the impression that uh, victory is already here we are very close, in your opinion, is it worth being tempted by such theses and words, or should we somehow be more moderate about the prospects of further actions with the enemy? and what can be different nuances on the battlefield how? you evaluate it in the near future against the background of such i would like to say enough optimistic words. and i want to say that the statements that are heard today from our partners are true, and let's say so, not without reason, because they are the ones who are helping us today to form new units and coordinate them and

equip the chief, and they see and we will say yes, the possibilities of today's ukrainian soldiers with regard to the fastest successful training and the further exploitation of western equipment, and of course all this today forms the overall picture of putin's putin's prospects army on the territory of ukraine why because the mobs are poorly trained and also the equipment that has been in storage for 30-40 years and although there today they are trying to quickly bring vlad there, but this is to provide the desired result, first of all , why are they in service today to artillery with a large radius of action, this essentially makes it impossible for russia to conduct a not so necessary or long-awaited next offensive there, because any approach to the line of collision of ammunition reserves

of the lviv potential immediately falls into the zone of achievement or defeat of our long-range artillery, and these things today are really decisive for creating the conditions for further conditions for successful counteroffensive actions by ukraine and the liberation of its territory. in a way to improve, to do some things that will make it more effective, or the system of the russian army, the system of the russian government is so rigid and rotten that it actually provides some qualitative changes it is simply impossible. how do you assess the ability of the russian leadership to draw conclusions from previous miscalculations? you know, to say that they are complete fools does not turn their tongues, but the fact that people who say so draw such conclusions is only half-hearted. this is

also obvious. and today we note a certain change in tactics or of this tactic of the operational art of russian actions in the ukrainian direction, and if we recall the beginning of the history of the beginning of the military operation against ukraine, then it really was, let's say , tactical groups were introduced into the battalion and it was they who the enemy tried to achieve success, but today from the submission of combat operations , incapacity, not organization, is proven, and today the enemy has already changed this tactic and is fighting with its units, parts of its staff, its staff units, and it also made certain conclusions when they retreated from the kyiv region. let's say then they regrouped on due to the withdrawal of troops from the right bank part of the kherson region and thereby provided opportunities to build its main efforts

on essentially one of the goals of the so-called operation announced by putin - the restoration or saving the east of us in the donbass and this today we are there we see it is this next offensive that is planned precisely to capture the full administration of the donbass donetsk luhansk regions in its in their administrative borders your enough allows us to assess the real capabilities of the russian army based on the previous analysis can we talk about that actually, when we talk about large-scale offensives on the one hand , the most active actions of forces and means are taking place in other areas of the front, when there is talk of kyiv, there of kharkiv, of sums there about odesa, in fact, it is more from the influence of russian propaganda on the media expert environment than from the real

capabilities of the russian federation. how do you assess this current reality? diversion of our forces and means of containment in the vicinity in order to prevent the strengthening of our grouping in the east of our state . this is indeed the case today. and this offensive is already underway, but according to our estimates and that of our western partners, who also provide us with it is necessary to have intelligence information about the movement of the dislocations, that is, they essentially create transparency, which does not give it the opportunity for the enemy to use the suddenness there or some kind of deception in order to hide the true direction of these actions , that is, it is not real today, and in the east of our country, this is the main the enemy's goal there is to carry out the main offensive, and today analysts believe that these forces accumulated there by russia are not enough

. but at the same time, it is noted that putin is already he was always an irrational person and we always needed success not when there it can be achieved with less losses but by some dates or and now we are blinking and what are you the date is definitely the anniversary of the conduct of the e-e at the beginning of the military operation and under these conditions they believe that putin can give the order despite the unpreparedness of such an offensive, a political decision to launch it directly. well, in the coming weeks , that is, to use all the reserves that the russian army has today. just in time to achieve certain short-term political goals that will not actually have any military strategic effect. this is how it works itself. that's how it works. and this is what our partners are working on so that after such a mistake on the part of the russian command , a window of opportunity will open for ukraine through

the liberation of its territories and a successful, let's say , and a successful counteroffensive now , the partners are really helping us to hope. i hope that we will just destroy the russian army, that will actually be done, but there is such a factor as a black swan, but conditionally speaking, do you allow such a black swan factor in the relations between russia and nato when, in particular, as it was with missiles on the territory of poland or because of the flight of missiles through the territory of romania, that is, when circumstances of irresistible force arise when nato in fact, it should react with its military component, so far they are avoiding this, but are there such risks that there will be moments when nato itself will be involved in hostilities, realizing that russia a is an unpredictable force and actions already require efforts on the part of the alliance to the extent that such risks may exist in the short term, such actions