[000:00:00;00] because when the russian troops were standing 30 km from kyiv, he was going to vote in full and this is a huge achievement. because in fact we have a-a units of examples of such in other countries, and this period he really worked for all 100 and what the colleague actually talked about and also parliamentarianism is a huge contribution in the fact that we got our candidates, the european community , because it adopted the necessary laws, but the further the enemy was repelled from kyiv itself, the more the parliament began to turn into a ratification structure at the office of the president , which will be allowed from the office, because here i and mr. oleg are not i can very well agree that the parliament supports censorship. in fact, if laws are brought to the parliament, they are voted

on and provide the opportunity for more adequately weighted coverage. there is an opportunity , there are very difficult things that are being pressed , such as the anti-corruption strategy, which even before the war, the office blocked everything in every possible way. but we have what we have now, unfortunately, the parliament is not a subject. unfortunately, the president's office decides what the parliament considers, in what sequence, we do what we can to change it . thank you , thank you . a week ago, last sunday, i recorded a long interview with gari yakimovich kasparov , a very interesting person, an iconic person, do you remember who

this world chess champion is in 1984 the whole country, the whole world watched the 48-match 48-game match between garik sparov and anatoly karpov, two grandmasters from the soviet union, who was supposedly a symbol of the old era of the karpov system , although he was only 35 and a symbol of the new one, while kasparov was 22 years old they played, after which the president sits down, the member said that's enough, because there was a regulation of up to six wins, and they collected 5:3, a huge number of draws, what 48 games there, the lipstick said everything, we are all tired, let's play again in the fall, canceled the match, the match resumed in the fall of 1985. kaspar won his match and won the match. and now garik is one of the leaders of the russian opposition, and that is why he is not in russia, and the person from whom i first heard from russian political figures about the possible disintegration of russia into parts after the ukrainian

we are watching the victories, the interview is very interesting. garika asparov , the leader of the russian opposition. i welcome you to the espresso channel. i am igor shchycherinda, and today we have an extraordinary guest - the former world chess champion, the legendary garik asparov, who today is one of the leaders of the russian political opposition, and yakimovich good day to you, we congratulate you. oh yes, i congratulate you, with the permission of our audience, i will go to the understandable for our guest, my hotel garykevich from gerikiv, wanted to start with an unexpected question. do you often sit down at the chess board today? i practically do not sit down, but of course i continue to follow chess events and tournaments, i can play a little on the internet, that is, mines still remain a part of life, that is, they are

things that always stay with you, with you, i they play chess, that's how much it turns out, 50, there are almost 5 years. i think that i will always keep this attachment to my favorite hryvnia to my favorite game, and at the same time, there are some more serious things related to chess already 20 kasparov has been working through the foundation for years. this is the foundation kasparov created 20 years ago in america. and there is a program for working with young stars. here i am. twice a year , i hold sessions in america. now we have started doing sessions in europe. say by the way, it can be said that the growth of talents in ukraine is actually very impressive now, and the growth of talents in ukraine, here i am now, there are two very, very , very talented boys, in my opinion, with

a very big future, ihor m.m. and kyrylo nezhyntsev ihor sobonenkova kirill lezhentsov so, in general, i am a chess activity of such activity in let it not stop even in such more or less restraining forms, well, sometimes i play such sessions or some demonstration tournaments there, especially with fischer's chess. but that 's how it is at the amateur level. like me i jokingly call him the most qualified to love chess in the world. today is actually a significant day for me because i am talking to a person who was iconic in the world of chess and in the world in general. here is your game for soviet boys in 84-85 according to anatoly karpov, which lasted 48 matches, 48 ​​games. i apologize more than six months. in the end, the president of fide interrupted, a replay was scheduled, and so on . and the whole soviet union, and probably half of europe and

half of the world, watched this match after this match. fascination with chess is still a good and interesting intellectual game among young people, and the post-soviet space today is not at the same level as it was 40 years ago . we have lost what we have lost. well, first of all, what you just said is a certain illusion related to change in general, the entire information space, first of all, i want to say that you belonged , i don't know more or not, but you belonged to that category of soviet boys who cheered for kasparov because that was the education in the family in general, and there is no doubt that your parents seen in this match hopes for variables are global from me global and i'm for you i'm sorry i'll interrupt and explain why because karpov was associated with some old communist bureaucratic system you were associated with

something young reformed you were 22 years old and you were the youngest champion in this case i commented on the word "all soviet boys" because there were half of the boys who grew up, for example, in other families. by the way , what is happening now, this tragic event, in general, is a war, in fact, in general, it is supposedly an echo of the division of different worlds people actually looked at the world differently, came from different families, in general, this is how it is, this is the genetic trace that in fact , at critical moments of history at the turning point and became history, it gives these are the results as they are now. now, as for the popularity of chess, i would say it is an illusion in fact, chess today is much more popular than it was before, moreover, this popularity there is tens, maybe hundreds of times higher, the problem is that in 1984 and 1985 there

were very few events, not only in the soviet union but in general, in the world, in general, all elements appeared in our country, in fact, and the internet did not exist yet, well, because of its uniqueness, it occupied the front pages of newspapers, and today, as i said, chess is 100 times more than it was before. the problem is that this increase in 100 times it got lost two million times the increase of the information field therefore and therefore for the absolute increase of the alleged interest in chess it got lost against the background of the fact that so many opportunities for distractions appeared in the world and that is why i got this question almost regularly, as in general, older people mention the fischer-spassky matches, here is skarpo in korchnoi, well, and of course my matches with karpov , here, but i repeat this, such an optical illusion is associated with a sharp increase in the entire information field, and the ability to receive

various information was lost at the same time what i'm saying is that the cabinet is really developing very, very dynamically, now there are a lot of young talents , a lot, let's not forget that today , at the age of 11-12, many young talented chess players are playing with the strength of grandmasters, i.e. in general, the process is already underway, it is proceeding very quickly because there is a lot of information, a huge information base, that is, today there is a 12-year-old talent who knows much more than fischer knew 50 years ago , because he is better than fischer and because he can press buttons and he already understands in general what should be done exactly because he , uh, skips some steps, no need, no need to intuitively find something when he already knows everything that was played in fisher karpov kasperv kranik anand that is why i think that chess is actually popular now it is very dynamic. it is really growing. well, we in america

have been conducting our programs since 2005. by the way, there have been 20 grandmasters . today, the usa is probably the most advanced and advanced country if you take these junior chess players. in particular, i said that in ukraine, now there actually was such a surge of talents, well , here are two surnames, which are names, which i called it the general state of a star of the first magnitude . in general, i was very impressed when they looked at his party. last year, at our session, they made him westerners, now they took him under his care - this is an indicator that the cabinet is developing , you just have to keep a close eye on it now, it seems that people have many other problems and find this chess topic on the internet, which has become

microscopic on the clios of this it is very difficult for a gigantic information tsunami. well, this is probably not our finalization at that time, because i myself live in irpen, a city that is right next to a beech, but i did not know about kirill, he is now naturally in warsaw, we will be more to work on enlightenment and i left, i believe that i believe that these are just such events. these are such tragic events, they put everyone on the background of a general catastrophe, they cause a colossal surge of energy in the world is going in general, so it is not excluded that ukraine will not only win the war , but in fact will also give a big an intellectual breakthrough, particularly in chess, with which you, well, finalizing the story with this party, anatoliy karpov is now with you not only on the other side of the chessboard as he was 40 years ago, but on the other side of the political front of the russian, he is a multiple-time deputy

of the state duma, he supported russian aggression. he supports putin in all the major full-scale wars against ukraine . you talked to him for a long time. how do you assess his actions, because he is not the only one. now they have also openly gone to the side of evil, is this their conscious choice or is it a choice made by the company under pressure? what do you think, please? i don't understand at all what a choice under duress is, well, there is a choice as for karpov, this is how to understand: karpov was always on the side of the government, nothing new happened. you yourself said that karpov was a symbol of the old man, the effort of the old man, despite the fact that he was there at the time of our match when we played and he was 33 years old when we started to play a match in 84 ah 84 years well he is enough he was quite young by any standards but nevertheless he was clearly

associated with the soviet system and moreover its stagnant with the late soviet system irony of fate in general i like the fact that there is a political subtext of our 84th, 85th - 86th matches in general - it seems to me that it had an impact on the minds of many people even then, so i remember the result of our match in 1985, a lot of people talked about who i was with chatted in moscow, they wrote later that the victory of sparma, she sighed and inspired people, gave hope to something. maybe something will change because, well, some system is eternal. nevertheless, here is the scarp that was associated with it. so, he should have been a young world champion for 10 years. god, how many years will kasparov suddenly win, that is, in addition, one must understand that after all, he is the russian world champion, and against him, the contender is young with a tank, half jewish, half armenian, that is, in

fact, this is what i am saying. the general concept , in fact, it seems to me that they inspired people and each of our matches he actually gave a new impetus, because the restructuring was going on , something was changing, i took a more active position in the 90s, the combination was i was the first soviet athlete who refused to play under the soviet flag yevgeny doli what happened then i demanded the tricolor of russia for today and then it was natural as if the vlasiv flag was forbidden and in new york at our fifth match in the 90th year i demanded who should take the soviet flag to put this tricolor naturally after several parties there under the protester of the soviet delegation on the card, it was removed . and i repeat this, september of 1990 was still there. i had already left the communist party in january of 1990. in fact, it was as if i was already transitioning to a new one dimension as if i tried to move it all as if to move forward in accordance with those feelings that i had two forward

correspondence with the topic then i felt some that there is some duty that goes beyond the framework of the chessboard the framework is not only to defeat karpov in fact to contribute more i contributed to the democratization of the soviet union at that time, and then it became obvious to me that the ussr is doomed and this will be russia. why do i say that this is an irony of fate, because now i represent that group of russians who believe that the russian flag should not have any color of blood, therefore, the last red stripe should be changed to white, that is, the white-blue-white flag, that is, then such a historical, such a somersault in another way. well, i have always been on this side, on the side of those changes that are necessary in them in order for the world to be normal developed in me from a very early age, i had a fairly clear understanding of such a gap between soviet propaganda and its lies and the real

state of affairs and the real state of affairs here, but in fact, in fact, karpoval is like such a case, one can say that he is static in in the sense that in the sense that the card was always with the authorities, he hasn't changed . it was much more painful for me to see the transformation of other people who behaved differently behaved differently. began to rebel. so i helped him to leave for the banhl, and in 1991 he was just going to the white house, that's when he was in moscow, and today there is already a difference between a fetishist and a karpov. when you look at all the stars of soviet sports today, who obediently press buttons in essence justify a and a support the genocide that is happening in ukraine, well, that means that in general, like uh. if according to vysotsky, it is about the books

that you read in your childhood, that you read in your childhood, well, in your native book, did you read it as a child? i am in the minority of former stars of soviet sports or today of russian sports who are not ready to simply take the only possible moral moral position, well, it actually hurts to look at it , in fact, it is painful to watch, but unfortunately, today we have come to that of a historical moment when no previous merits can justify the position, at least not against the knot, but for the most part it's just support for evil, at least it's not resistance to evil, it's just support caresses it's a lot, you know, it's an illusion that i can't do anything because i'm alone in reality

everything starts with a single act. i remember my feelings in the 85th - 86th - 87th years when i spoke about the fact that i probably can't do much, but people look at me, i'm famous, i'm the world chess champion if i won't do anything to support changes, then for them it is a bad signal, and therefore the world chess champion what is being measured is afraid of something because i had an event, after all, the title of world champion was such a sacred cow in the soviet union , accordingly. if you start doing something, people react to it у у not actually therefore, now it seems to me that this is an unspoken, often quite loud support for putin's war, genocides , in general, for all the crimes of the putin regime, which comes from famous people in russia, and this is so that this is what influences the killing of people. it's understandable propaganda it's clear i propaganda is soloviev there skabeeva is on the list and so on but nevertheless the voices

of such people as let's say a fetish could change something some could change something then well they became part of the system they grew into it and have no moral strength to get out of there for our younger viewers that vyacheslav fetisov is a legendary defender of the soviet union national team cska hockey team yes captain of the national team captain of the world champion champion of the olympic games well also the club csk sports red army his yes in the west, they called red amen, perhaps the roots are there, but let’s not delve into it, good yakimovich, look at putin, because you, too, are at the dawn of his ascension , partially or directly supported, directly supported, believed that this is a new wave and a new era in russian politics, or am i wrong in which moment you changed your attitude towards him, you changed your attitude towards him that's the moment, at which moment did you realize that this

is a demon, well, my personal opinion. maybe you don't support it , please. does not happen former employees of the kdb were a signal to me. so, in order not to be vague, as if i were to send my article to the investigator on january 4, 2001, this is the first article in which i wrote about what threat putin poses to me. then you decide. as they say, it was on time or not, i will repeat it again on january 4, 2001, i quote a-a the president of russia trades in fear. so, i have more than 20 years of experience in opposing the putin regime. it is clear that at that time we all, as they say, understood that there is a village board that must do something to end well, supposedly, but well, when putin came to change his activities, and all this was accompanied by explosions in vogodonsky’s house in moscow, it was conditional. that’s all all the tragedies and

carpet bombings of grozny and ah, kovrov bombardirov. well, there’s no need. there should never have been machiavelli. to to figure out all these intricacies, it was clear that something terrible was happening, another thing was that it took time to really figure it out, because in the 90s there was still some chaos, but for me , as they say, in 2000, this education quickly ended yes, he already said something in separate interviews when there was the kursk tragedy , this is also butinskoe for me, er, she also drowned . it was so resonant for me, but in january 2001, i take a consistent position and then there is a huge list of articles, interviews, books in which i spoke about, that putin's russia is moving, will move if putin is not stopped by fascism, will in fact finish the transformation into the modern third reich, very often now

the modern third reich , that is, modern russia, is compared with the classic nazi reich, which is a direct analogy between societies and between the führers, you can now really understand that in the west after the second world war, there was such a taboo on any mention of hitler, that is , comparing any politician with hitler was essentially forbidden. this discussion was stopped because hitler was the absolute worst evil nothing can happen, that's why you can't even draw such a dotted line , i remember. in 2013, i gave an interview to canadian television, such a big, thorough interview. opposite one, a canadian journalist specially came to new york, then i already moved here, this was the beginning of my migration , my migration, and i accepted the olympic games in sochi with the olympic games in berlin. in

the 36th year of 300, the interview was almost failed because she wanted to leave. just how dare you compare putin with hitler at all. you don't understand. you probably grew up in the ussr, you don't know. i say i know everything . i say i know everything, but let's clarify this right now. in the 36th year and you don't need to tell me about what was absolutely evil, read your canadian newspapers, american newspapers , english newspapers, french newspapers and you will clearly see that in the 36th year, in fact , something happened to hitler. by jews well, who doesn’t have them, by the way, anti -semitism in america was enough at that moment, by the way, i say that however, by this point, some limits had already been reached , let’s say there was aggression against georgia, maybe

there was actually a chechen war in the 36th year hitler's long-serving list was quite modest compared to putin's, we were all trends, of course, but these trends were materialized precisely because the west believed that this would not happen and in the west did nothing to stop it , and i say that if you do nothing, this transformation will lead to its logical end, by the way, it can be noted that between the olympics in berlin, the annexation of austria, and austria's last 20 months, than the olympics in sochi and the annexation of crimea, 20 days passed, well, such an acceleration of the 21st century happened to me it seems to me that even if we abandon such direct parallels, well, it’s clear, after all, germany in the 30s of the 20th century , russia in the 21st century, maybe there are too many differences. these ideas were already in the monster's head, and he is very similar to him, he is very, very painful, and

i will say more that it is very interesting to note that dictators always actually lie about what they have done. this is simply inevitable, and there they deny it, they didn’t wave, they often say that they are going to make the wind written by mein kamp in the 24th year, in the 25th year, it was published well, who was hitler in the 25th year , the leader of a rather small nationalist party in germany, which tightly "prisons and there is no real influence of the head of a rather small nationalist party. and putin spoke about his vision of the world as the future president of russia, let's not forget that his first action as president of russia was the restoration of the soviet anthem. symbolism is such a very important symbol in in 2005, when he had already become stronger, when he had already realized that many things were possible, he already had the resources, independent television had already been crushed, the press was completely under control , khodorkovsky could have put the largest russian company , which was privatized in quotation marks, in quotation marks, into prison

. complete non-resistance to the west and more. putin continued to remain a part of the entire g8 in the sixth year he will he will even host them in st. petersburg in 2005 putin says the classic phrase disintegration of the soviet union was the greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century, this is putin 's credo. it was absolutely obvious at that moment that as soon as he realized that he had the opportunity to implement this plan, he would implement it precisely because a dictator is never asked why his questions are dictatorial, why not and then if he checked and it is possible for this is possible and this is possible and every time convincing that the possibilities for him to move forward with this path of fascism are practically limitless in 2006 , when our united movement was created civil front at our congress in 2005, we created it in 2006, there was a congress

at which we wrote in our documents that in view of the trends in russia - this is the government, the trend will never change, that the trend does not simply point in the direction fascisms and we were attacked from all sides, but first of all, not even kremlin propaganda, the liberal opposition, that we generally stand on the path of evolution, that we do not really understand that everything takes time, that it is our radicalism that prevents russia from developing further, and then you remember someone came medvedev here on which the liberal public in russia, by the way, western governments had high hopes for, even though it was also absolutely obvious, then he was just checking to what extent he could use these four years to strengthen his own power and the final return of the official return , of course he was not going anywhere to the president's chair already that with dictatorial powers , this trend was obvious to me, and it was also obvious that sooner or later this trend would pass from domestic politics to

foreign politics, because the dictator, what about him it is necessary to constantly carry out one's own indispensability to prove it, first of all, the economy , and putin was lucky that oil prices began to rise rapidly, that is, in 1998, at the time of the crisis. the abundance of money and the frank reluctance of the west to enter into a confrontation with him. well, as it was, there were colossal opportunities for the implementation of its program, the maximum for the early implementation of its program, as it were, the maximum , first of all, in the first, he had support in the country it is necessary to admit precisely because life has become better, well, people see that life is the best. if they did not care that oil prices increased many times, they had 15 times 15 times, it does not matter. the main thing is that it became better later and then the democratic leaders took pictures with

putin is what breez nimtsov shouted there at every step that russia is going to fascism, fascism like that. look there , bush is still there, there is still cancer, merkel, they are all there talking with putin, this is the process, in fact , he went ahead of putin, smooth georgia, well formally, medvedev did it, barak obama offered him a reset, that is, in fact, every time putin was convinced that it can be done, it can be done, it can be done, and it can be done, when in fact he has already returned in the official year of 2012 , obama promised him, as we remember, on the microphone turned on, he gave medvedev that i would be more flexible in relations with moscow and then i decided that it was time to implement the program to the maximum as the main main program of the restoration of the russian empire, and it must be understood that he looked at this empire, it's not just territorial conquests, in fact, putin was convinced that he was doing. i believe that this is what adults putinism is about, that his historical mission

is revenge for the defeat in the cold war, that is, in fact, it is an attempt to return the past to the world. there according to the times for the times there is not that stalin of ivan the terrible that is, he is definitely there the ruler stands above the law the ruler is the law the grass of the strong actually obeys the world must obey the main players america russia china will be connected there, and maybe the european union will be allowed to sit on a prestigious chair. putin saw himself as a leader of the world , this is yalta, where he, together with the american president and the chinese general secretary, will decide everything, and the europeans will help. they say it was obvious that ukraine would be the target of attacks. here i remember. in 2008 , after the attack on georgia, i wrote an article also by watson jordal. i wrote about the fact that the next target would be ukraine, and i remember.