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[000:00:00;00] less than the defeat in the cold war, that is, in fact, it is an attempt to return the past to the world in time, it is not that stalin is ivan the terrible, that is, it is not that the ruler stands above the law, the ruler is the law, the right of the strong , in fact, the measure must obey the world , the population must obey the main players, america, russia, there can china let's connect, and maybe the european union will be allowed to sit on a prestigious chair . putin saw himself as a bully to the world, this is yalta, which he, together with the american president and the chinese general secretary, will be there decide everything, and the europeans will subdue it, this was above the task and in this regard . as they say, it was obvious that ukraine would be the object of an attack, and i remember in 2008, after the attack on georgia, i also wrote an article by uose jordal. i wrote about the following the object will be ukraine and i remember
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i had a conversation there and i had an interview there i was asked why do you think so and i say i looked at the map there are geographical realities and it is absolutely obvious that only putin will exhaust this slimit of his infallibility in russia that the economy cannot work indefinitely under a dictatorship, this potential is dictatorial, it seems to improve life, it ends sooner or later because of corruption , of course, a dictatorship cannot work effectively as soon as the internal potential is exhausted, and this is where external aggression begins, then here it is directly parallel to the third reich parallels that war is inevitable because the dictator must once again prove his irreplaceability - this is such an imperial complex . the empire must expand either economically or militarily or in relation to society
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russian, well, imagine that it has transformed so much there in the last 25 years. i am in 1995. i am in 1998. you have one ukrainian tv channel . what all this has turned into now you remembered you remembered the olympics you know i am watching the footage these german citizens who are wintering the führer on the podium now plowmen moscow putin the same signs will play the letters z also a direct parallel with the third rail takes a parallel with the third reich, how could people change in just a quarter of a century? this is how it is, or it is an illusion and it is a television picture. no , unfortunately, it is not a television picture. it is important that even in those days dr. gebel still had quite primitive means of mass information at hand ukraine could be returned really the dictator managed to achieve that the country believed him and followed him
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let's not forget putin about the power of the 23rd the year is already the 23rd year, the 23rd year, and the society has changed , i simply would not share your enthusiastic assessment of the year 98, you were in moscow, in fact, there is a potential, uh , potential that is zigging, he has not gone anywhere , he was, he was there, he was there in the hinterlands, he was actually preserved, and it must be said that the arrival of putin played to some extent on these, on many complexes, played on these, on many complexes, if we draw parallels between russia and germany, of course, the year 91 was approximately so last year what happened happened in the 18th year in germany, the war was lost, germany could not survive because america had already joined, supposedly economically it could not survive, but formally the war
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was not a program and foreign troops did not enter the territory of germany. it was some kind of inexplicable catastrophe , most likely caused by some kind of treason. to the soviet union in the 91st year. well, as if the war was not lost and there was no occupation , it must mean that gorbachev is the traitor. and the arrival of putin actually coincided with positive trends , because even the half-hearted reforms of the 90s gave results , russia had a market economy, and oil went to
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waste. the leader who will now lead us to a bright future, it was almost impossible to fight with it, as i just see how many people in general they moved to these positions, well , at least they did not resist evil. well, there . look at the chechen war. look at the north-east. look at beslan. look at the case yu kosa look, there we were pryadkovsky. well, it concerned a very small number of people and a large number of people. that's how zhvanetsky spoke. it's a very thin layer of the intelligentsia. that's how it's clear that he became more than in the soviet union, but in the same way, the main mass generally felt quite comfortable, and when the situation began to change in the 12th year, when putin officially returns and the economic situation begins. suppression
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of the opposition total control of society inside russia to external aggression crimea is ours apart from ours becomes this already new slogan of putin's government and owls it is obvious that what happened to me in the 14th year, that crimea was the first step, in fact , putin was not going to stop, i wish that this is usually a terrible monster for 8 years, the west refused to recognize it, it is obvious that putin was not going to stop in the crimea, because he talked about it himself in 14 year, we all saw putin's plans to create a new russia. 10 ukrainian regions from odesa were supposed to create this new state , but it didn't work out. because putin miscalculated and the russian-speaking population of ukraine in the east and
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south was not ready to accept these little men of the land with flowers and bread and a trail, but plans that do not go anywhere. i share that it is absolutely obvious that the plan to eliminate ukrainian statehood was consistently implemented by putin as a necessary condition for achieving his geopolitical goal , namely to force the west to actually capitulate before the return of nato, as he said to the border 97 of the year, i.e. the recognition of i for russia the excluded right to act on the territory of this yalta treaty of the 45th year and yet it was not something hypothetical , i write an article and tell everything this is putin's case when the dictator must be believed and he actually laid out his plans and in this regard he is no different from hitler. hitler also did not hide his plans from mr. hitler regarding the creation of this living space for the germans, they were laid out in minecraft and were the basic documents of the third reich and until the very last moment
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no one wanted to believe that hitler would implement these plans. what he did consistently, it must be said that if the aram meme is to be believed, hitler's imprisonment was for him. the beginning of the war with england and france in 1939 was a shock. because in his opinion, nothing happened, well, there's czechoslovakia, then poland . i don't hide my plans . to cut him here, that is, it is very important that there is a feeling of absolute and impunity . putin, praising the decision to strike a decisive blow against ukrainian statehood , was deeply confident. will meet any resistance in the west, the west will swallow it, and unfortunately it would have to be said that how can it not be tragic to admit that, god forbid , putin would have succeeded in capturing kyiv and escorted yanukovych on a russian tank, because he does not know from
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whom he wanted to get the bear out there put here by liquidating what he openly aspired to by liquidating the entire ukrainian government headed by president zelensky, i have no doubt that the same leaders today in the west who are discussing the scale of military aid to ukraine, they recognized that they were scattered with cobblestones, they would admit that this happened and would begin to conduct long negotiations with putin about whether it is possible for us to keep some piece of ukraine, and maybe somehow agree on the fact that putin does not attack the baltic countries, and maybe change some of the baltic governments that are most friendly to putin there that he should not worry too much about this matter, he was indignant and indignant at the continuation of the same capitulian policy. however, the armed forces of ukraine, the heroism of the ukrainian people, changed putin's plans. chairman and what plans he is currently considering, and they tell me that it seems to me that there have been no fundamental changes for putin, he has nowhere to retreat, he has
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to win the war, and besides , winning the war for him, he can slightly change the alleged concept, it is quite obvious that he must preserve the territories captured during these years of occupation will be occupied. and this is all a moral victory that a dictator needs. for me , it is obvious that the death of a thorn is a needle for putin. this is the ukrainian crimea under the ukrainian flag. sevastopol is the end of putin's of the regime precisely because the regime is similar to the regimes similar to putin's stand for my film, mythology is a necessary part of the dictator's entourage, this is not his fallibility, his ability to lead the people, and our crimea. it will become obvious that the war is lost
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. but in fact, many people think that uh, and once again it means that we will press that we have half a million reservists and that's it. we will definitely win there, but as soon as it becomes clear that the war has been lost, that western armaments, the heroism of ukrainian soldiers, the political leadership of zelenskyi and his team give results, that's when it seems to me the building will begin to crumble very quickly, and what is interesting is that it will begin to crumble, because so far i can only see an increase in the pressure on me, on the walkers, when people are simply pushed out, squeezed out of their country, and dmytro nazarov andrii hizhakov, other artists, oleksandr filipenko, who are simply kicked out of their jobs because they are simply against the war , they don't even say that ukraine should win there, they say let's stop the war of murder and all this is happening under the connivance of their colleagues and citizens around them, well, this is just
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savagery in what year is russia now, if we compare again with nazi germany, is it there 41 42 on the eve of the battle of stalingrad or 43 or 44 already after the battle of stalingrad and on the fifth parallel again principles. well, it always depends on how soon ukraine will receive the necessary weapons to move into a decisive mood . well, please, let's talk about the 43rd year. and geopolitical defeat, at the same time it is not necessary to occupy the country, it is clear that
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the occupation is one story germany and japan 45 years ago, a parallel is appropriate here but the russian economy is on the verge of collapse , in fact it is already underway information that now forced loans will begin, i.e. they will start taking money from the population, it is clear to endure it is clear that to endure this war, to endure this confrontation with the whole world , in fact, the russians are not able, and russia is not able, it will be more, unlike the ussr, the russian economy has integrated into the world, therefore there are no spare parts now, the production of weapons it generally goes without hesitation and it is clear that today it seems to completely maintain the rhythm of the war, the russian economy is unable to do so for a long time, sooner or later, as they say, the qualitative advantage of ukrainian weapons is already passing from the west, it will already become a quantitative advantage, the state is already a crippled leadership. well, if it were clear that economic resources are not limitless, everything will start to collapse if the west takes
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a principled position, and judging by everything, this is happening now and clearly states that the sanctions will not be lifted until the moment the entire ukrainian territory up to and including sevastopol has been liberated, no reparations will be paid, we are talking about hundreds of billions of dollars for the damage caused by russian aggression, and here i am, emphasizing the most important point: an international tribunal will not be created for war criminals by analogy with the nürder massacre, in which those who planned and organized and carried out an aggressive war and genocide will not be tried, just as it was in newberg in the 46th year of the 46th year, and this and this, these conditions will be attached until the sanctions against russia are lifted, russia will find itself at a crossroads. either russia will be completely isolated and turned into a chinese province, or an attempt will be made to find some option to return to the euro-atlantic space , but already under the condition
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of a split. governors. they are not war criminals after all. i believe that as soon as it becomes obvious that there is this watershed, then this will begin in russia. it seems to me that the vertical of power and you are disintegrating under these conditions. under these conditions, a stable government in russia can only be one that guarantees the withdrawal sanctions and integration in accordance with all these conditions, including the extradition of war criminals. and it may sound like such good wishes to yanukovych are fiction, but in fact it seems to me that the majority of russian society is today's interference with crimes that there are splinters and an unwillingness to accept, as i say, the values of the free world with their hearts, they accept them well with their stomachs, in fact, here, in fact, here is the understanding that russia will be rejected, allegedly from the euro , atlantic civilization is actually being swallowed up , china in some forms, i think it will become completely unacceptable for the urbanized
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population in big cities, there were big cities, and we can create a base for this compromise when the investigation is carried out to agree with the most important thing: the elimination of this imperial algorithmic management what did mikhail khodorovsky write about in his book how to kill the dragon, what do we constantly talk about with him in our interviews, articles about what the future of russia is, if it exists, it is a rejection of the empire, where is russia, in fact , should russia become a national state ? i wrote things back in 2006 in the article on the nation , this is a process when the ethnic component gives way to the national identity of the national identity. that's how it is that there in ukraine it is clear that people of different ethnic
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origins are ukrainians. in russia, this is not the case. it happened and it is clear that this process will most likely be accompanied by the splitting off of pieces of russia from tatarstan or bashkortostan, precisely because people will not have the desire to become russians in the political space ot the political space of etogo and there is nothing terrible , there is nothing terrible about it, you just have to understand that today those who try even the russian opposition plays this topic; they want to preserve this imperial center in one form or another. it is completely unacceptable and completely unpleasant from my point of view if war this war in ukraine should be the last for the russian empire of the german 21st place in 21 liquidated the liquidation of this imperial imperial management center and in general the entire imperial model of management another chance repeats russia's chance for a civilized future can russia break up into a number of independent
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states well, it seems to me that the question here is how to qualify the word some, there is a tree of the cycle, both, in fact, there is even a number, in my opinion, eh 34 it seems to me that the question should be so this or uncontrolled disintegration when already such powerful players as china will start their game by generally absorbing all parts of russia that will be in a free plan will be free and fluid preservation, after all, of some kind of management center with the understanding that a number of regions with a strongly expressed national color are ready to simply leave ready just leave here chechnya dagestan i don't know this and the process this is, in my opinion, an inevitable view as if it were inevitable that in 1991 the process of the collapse of the ussr was actually supposed to lead to
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the fact that the russian federation passed through such a transformation did not happen because of such a transformation, the force in chechnya somehow came to an agreement with tatarstan. well, it’s quite hard there, too, and the whip and gingerbread used it, but it’s obvious that there was a frozen process , a very frozen process, because of the russian federation, because the russian federation is, in fact, also an empire this is what had to be done in 1991, this is the path of historical transformation of transformation. and was it possible to stop putin by democratic means, after all, any dictator becomes a dictator during his long rule if he is democratically re-elected after the first term or after the second, these are probably tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of deaths that could have been avoided . was such an option possible ? a lot could happen. well, a lot can happen in 22 years. already in my head now a change inside russia, let's say at
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an earlier stage. i doubt it very much. about the threat of the transformation of the frankish regime into fascism, it was just minimal information about fascism, it was just minimal. well, again , to be loud, you can read all our disputes, 2007, the eighth year of moscow, the 9th year on that echo of moscow website, when all this criticism of the liberal camp fell on me. are you actually panicking ? and here you have to look at things globally , the problem is that this approach has not changed much after the crimea. speak yes, of course, putin's regime is authoritarian over this, what kind of authoritarianism do you know, it is such a side effect
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of the historical process of the italian process, and it is not necessary. how was it now? let's go we're here on the spot we're fighting here we're over there now in the kamyanka-politet we'll break through here we'll paint the benches blue and everything will be fine with us unfortunately this is yours which was created in russia, with all these groups, for many years, it prevented the west from seeing the real picture, it prevented the west from seeing the real picture. is it possible or possible to stop the tragedy of today ? would send a signal to putin that there will be a price, a new political will there, in principle, it is necessary to start something there with sanctions against the oligarchs there, sanctions against the sector of the russian economy, would bite putin, in fact, a lot
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of what the west claimed, well, the west - english merkel barack obama said, well, they did nothing is possible, especially merkel, you understand, the european economy depends on russia, we can't give up russian gas , the dead had 16 years to do what the german government did in 10 months here, in fact , there were opportunities yes, along the line, that is , to find alternative sources of energy support, a lot could be done. to destroy a profitable business, well, they gave it there, they gave it there, they did a little bit here, there, they seized crimea, well, there in syria, they really staged a genocide , well, this is all possible to live, you can live because if in the absence of political will you can always find arguments why you should not oppose dictators, i return to that that a large negative role, in my opinion, was played
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by the liberal russian opposition that did not want to recognize the inevitability of transformation into overt fascism, the inevitability of transformation into overt fascism, and despite the fact that again everything was obvious does the amount of blood on the teeth of a dictator depend on the openness of his stay in power continues uh i think so directly i think there is no such direct dependence there babble a few years ago as a percentage killed more people in kamboche than any other dictator if the percentage ratio brother, it is absolutely obvious that the prolongation of the dictator's rule inevitably increases the amount of blood that will be spilled rina, because again the dictator will still come to repressions, and as soon as
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the internal potential continues to grow. as they say, the search for enemies outside of one's own territory begins , and taking into account the fact that putin was not just a dictator , he was not just another house. expands, because in fact, if you go back to soviet times, the collapse of the soviet union was determined on february 15, 1989, if you remember for sure the moment when general gromov received a parade on the bridge, soviet tanks and troops were returning from afghanistan, it was it is not organized like saigon when the americans were fleeing there, the helicopter was all from the roof, everything was organized for us, but the psychological moment of retreat affects the consciousness of all the people who live on the periphery of the empire in february 1989, the ussr leaves afghanistan, despite the fact that the soviet the regime remained there for almost three years . well, after literally 10 months, the entire
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empire of eastern europe fell. and after another three years , less than three years later, the soviet union could not retreat or economic expansion what putin has been doing for many years using the huge funds he received for bribery to expand his influence or to exploit these opportunities and military aggression. therefore, it is necessary to understand that putin in power is a continuation of the war precisely because he already has no other justification for staying in power for a quarter of a century not by the way, well, at the end of our discussion and perhaps a final question, will russian society repent for the crimes committed in ukraine by the russian armed forces , the russian armed forces, all the same, all the same germany repented, it was cleansed and it continues to develop socio-economically, will there be a similar thing with russian society, which society and how long will it take us to forget all this horror
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of this war, say years, but most likely decades, in fact, this is not a one-time station, it is not the question of the fact that i repented and everything, as they say, everything is gone is a collective responsibility. there is also, as they say , personal fault, but there is also a different fault. and i consider i consider myself the test partially responsible for what is happening what is wrong with me, twenty years of experience in resisting the putin regime , i understand how all the germans who resisted the hitlers felt . to say then in the 41st year nobody knew for sure what was happening between auschwitz in the 45th year we will learn the tragedy of today 's situation and its simply cosmic possible scale of this tragedy is that today
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for the first time genocide is happening online genocide is happening online, then actually ugh, people see it. it’s not the same as on. here it is. somewhere in cambodia, he did honor or something happened even there in bosnia. it was the same. we know that everything is happening, but we didn’t see it now. there will be rockets flying live, but here just rockets are flying live, we just see how people are being destroyed, how war crimes are being committed, what is more, to add here, if even before this tragedy, russian propaganda from the submission of the russian authorities she is proud of this propaganda from the submission of the russian authorities she he's proud, he's never been like that, he's never been like that, terrorists of all stripes in the world, they always try to win something. well, that 's why we're going to start a war, rightly , they tried to hit a military facility there , well, they got there through school, well, at least they always try to find some kind of gap so as not to look like they are there only against the civilian population, here the strikes on civilian infrastructure are delivered as part of
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a military strategy, this did not happen before, so the road to repentance will be long do you remember this film genghis was a penance, it was not shown in the soviet union for a long time, but i don't know if it will be passed or not, so i think that the future of russia is rather vague, for this it is very important that the free world sets the goal of trying to achieve the transformation of russia, liquidation empire is a matter of consciousness, yet to understand that the empire is over, here is this . here is the entire set of these archetypes. the golden horde of russia has passed. the brutality of the military machine by the byzantines. sovetskaya mithologiya and all this is seasoned if you look at putin, this is this thug with this criminal world, this is this so-called romance of the criminal world of the main myrhorod, this is what created
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an absolutely unbearable combination, there are different parts of evil, there are different parts of evil, and this is all necessary toss it to the dustbin of history. if we talk about some chance , it is possible that people's awareness will really appear , as if the understanding that it is necessary to find a way to return to european roots was still the republic of novgorod the pskov republic then had connections with europe, in the end it was not kyivan rus , in fact, today it can also be viewed from such a global historical perspective, you can look at it from such a global historical perspective, the european part of the slavs of the east slavic confrontation with gold rejoices at this nightmare that is coming from the east , this is divination on coffee grounds, what can i do , i will do so that the processes of the integration of russia, what will be the future russia, come as
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effectively as possible, because my view is that this war between it does not end with tyranny and freedom today, ukraine is at the forefront of this war, but it is a victory. i have no doubt that the victory of ukraine is actually only an important step towards the world changing because there are so many dictators in the world from north korea to venezuela from belarus to zimbabwe, a ukrainian victory will change the balance well, let's not forget china, in fact , the totalitarian tendency will not go anywhere, and in this regard, of course, if it were possible to create a real national infrastructure of the state in russia, which would become a part of the euro-atlantic space, this will help us to win the global battle between freedom and tyranny, well, let's really hope that after all, freedom will win over tyranny and good will win over evil, light will win over darkness. well, now one of
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