[000:00:00;00] i was given this yesterday, i just researched the russians, they say that nothing actually changes, that is, on the one hand, they write that the factory has switched to three shifts, and on the other hand , the supply of some units to the factory remains the same as it was six months ago, nothing increases, the number of people at the factory does not increase they do not hire more people because well, there simply must be specialists, they must be trained for six months to a year. in short, we can believe that the real transition to the military rails of the russian economy or, as usual, the russians mistake the wishful thinking for the real transfer to the military rails instead of eight-hour shifts, introduce them at 12 o’clock, it’s like some of the less qualified personnel to expand

the staff to hire and switch, let’s say, to the production of weapons samples. the necessary ways to import primitive chips but fortunately for us, this is the maximum that they succeeded in terms of the transfer of the economy, military things, which, roughly speaking, is what they have there on paper, you brought to the military paradise, which is the whole vpk well, ours simply forced their employees to work more for the same salary with the same efficiency as at the level of last year 2021 no more thank you ivan krychevskyi military expert defect express was with us and explained to us that nothing changes in russia they continue to lie and instead from another side, i.e., from the european side of ukraine, and it is still happening in our country, or

is already ending, at least it is coming to an end . the munich security conference, let's listen to the vice president of the united states who said a lot of interesting things yesterday let's listen to eh ms. kamala harris friends today one year later we see that kyiv is still standing the atlantic alliance is stronger than ever in russia's actions in ukraine we checked the evidence we know the legal norms and these are undoubtedly crimes against humanity for the new lubkiv diplomat, the director of the kyiv security forum, is the same as in munich, but in kyiv and in a year or two he will be better than this one, where

they will travel much more than in the premiership of the presidents than before munich good health, mr. danylo. thank you for always having time for us. good afternoon. thank you for your kind words about the kyiv security forum , which stands out from the competition. oh. beautiful, beautiful, mr. danylo. well, please tell us what surprised you. i am sure that you listened and watched attentively. everything that is happening, everything that has been broadcasted and continues to be broadcasted from munich these two days, did something surprise you, or something that you were not ready for, maybe in a positive way, maybe in a negative sense. i don't know what you mean by something that might surprise you grandson, but in any case, i will share my impressions about er, what we are seeing now , in fact, in the last 2-3 days, a very important event is taking place and there are many interesting

trends at the munich security conference, this is one of the most important security conferences that is held annually in a world where a lot of respectable and authoritative participants come and very important public and backstage conversations take place, and it is clear that there are many interesting trends, there are also many nuances, so if we talk about trends from what i see in contact now with our partners in munich and what is happening in general in conversations and on the sidelines, there are several such guidelines, several main things that would surely be interesting for the viewer, the first uh-uh is definitely the support of ukraine of the historical significance of support. that is, it is a clear declaration is clear next to such a political commitment about the nuances. we

will talk more, but this seems to be the main point. at the munich peaceless conference, it does not even look like, relatively speaking, the deterrence of the aggressor, and how frankly disdain for this regime , the third important point is the arrival of a high-ranking representative of china. of the united states to anthony blinkin, where we were talking about uh, it's important for us very rarely today syanenko i'm reporting that american government officials believe that china can covertly approach , as they say, the limit of lethal transmission weapons of russia and very clearly and clearly throw it clarified what about er-e possible consequences thus, the americans talk about the fact that china on

the one hand er-er publicly er or outwardly trying to demonstrate that he is a peacemaker and on the other hand secretly er-er or secretly, as they think, everyone is preparing to provide more serious support to russia, these are alarming signals, we know that a message from the leader of china is being prepared, all of which will be announced in the coming days, where, as they announce, they can give it to the chinese peace initiatives uh, you have it, it flies off to moscow, if i'm not mistaken . that's how this chinese track appeared, and to which we also need to pay important attention and do everything to ensure that china does not cross the borders of uh, which will only complicate and not just complications and will put the global situation at a significant risk if beijing decides to go further in its support for russia and it is clear that it is very important that

you showed a speech uh he is the president of the united states harris channels with absolutely clear clear assessments as well the very grades were separated in anthony blinkin's performance his same assessments were made in the speeches of the senator, the leader of the republicans, he started makonova, where it is clearly and clearly said about russia and that russia is losing, and look at a very important question, danylo. the case of bailey was constantly in my head. and why? because, well, this is the official position of one big country, or one of the leaders of this country, the vice president from this country to another big country, i.e.

russia, you are criminals, and when a person says and the person still fails. she says i was a prosecutor. when i was a prosecutor, i investigated the verifiable evidence of the guilt of this or that criminal, well, criminals, it is definitely a judicial process, and she says, and we have these evidences, and this is a crime against humanity, and this is a crime against humanity. i am sitting and i think well, what is that well, at one time it was quite easy enough. then i reread the ganges conventions of the seventh year of the 74th year. something crept in here and there. then say it with that is. and i translate it. yes, if it is hari , she said she was absolutely convinced and

the american leadership is a dragon that nuclear missiles will no longer fly, that they were told somewhere in their ear well, today is a charisma the day after tomorrow, we don't know what biden will say in warsaw, but everyone knows that he will address putin and the russian people well, if it was an unusual event, i don't remember that i ask him to come to the border with russia, in fact, to poland , and he says that i am going through belarus to go there directly. this means something. did you learn something from an american, american intelligence, american diplomacy, can you somehow comment on my doubts change confused doubts first of all i am very envious of uh your ability to make such unexpected and interesting intellectual connections accordingly i can only uh admire this and on my uh side , if i'm allowed, i'll say something restrained more

restrained assessment of er in and i explain as if i mean first of all what concerns the general assessment of the international assessment of russia's actions er russia has committed the greatest er crime that exists in international relations aggression against another sovereign state this is the highest crime and all the main players in the world have already given this assessment, with the exception of a small club or neutrals or states dependent on russia . evaluate er russian actions are crimes against humanity that is, it is one of those three major er international crimes for which responsibility inevitably arises and by

formulating in this way we are not talking about another issue that concerns the rules of war as what you are talking about we mentioned the case of baby, a pretext for military action, we are talking about the reaction of the civilized international community to criminals, bandits, and uh, in the aggressor, in clearly formulating, giving an assessment, uh, in the very act of aggression, a crime in russia, and the united states shows that there is no way back for putin, here in why is the meaning of this message eh in eh putin will not be able to return to eh or the russian leadership will not be able to return to some form of dialogue that could turn this page if moscow wanted and in this the power in the message in

the place of the president of the united states is another important point that uh in thus washington and what he is doing he uh is showing putin the first thing in a year of war you lost says this and miley says this and blinken says this and biden says this all official washington this the world understands you lost, you did not achieve any of your goals second e president biden arrives in warsaw in order to give a clear signal to putin that he is quiet and not to achieve some even ghostly victory third e-e the united states together with other allies consolidates the eastern flank e-e nato and a meeting of the leaders of the so-called bucharest nine will take place in warsaw, these are the countries that belong to all nato members that are in the east of europe, unconditional support for ukraine in

the outline of the statement, and what they are, what putin is, and what awaits him now, finally, finally , and yes the very thing that can be seen during the conversation was at the munich security conference. in general , all of your work, which is very actively now discussing the latest developments without any too big there or anything else, but it must be said that a lot of specialists, many experts agree on one important opinion that putin actually does not have any strategy for victory, he does not have an elementary plan for victory, and he , accordingly. the last question is literally two minutes , but it is important. and there is such a discussion among people who look at diplomacy, look at inter-water

relations. look, you already mentioned china , and this seems to me to be very important in china as well at the show, ukraine should first of all pay attention to the fact that it is possible to supply weapons or some kind of flying capability from china to russia , or to the fact that it unconditionally advocates for the territorial integrity of any country . bearing in mind its taiwan, that is, this moment is more important let us look at the first component, we think china says very often that they provoked nato, everyone means russia for such a war, but on the other hand, without a caveat , the integrity of ukraine is not subject to any doubt .

if china believes that it is not possible to violate territorial integrity, then it should put pressure on the kremlin and force putin to clean up and leave the ukrainian territory here in the version in the version and you know such ambiguities as you can often hear from beijing that they say the war was provoked, but not everything is so clear-cut . we are for peace, this is all good, and the position of such an important country in the world as china is fundamentally found by we for ukraine. but nevertheless, there must be categorical clarity except i want to remind you that china at one time joined the budapest memorandum , which guaranteed security in ukraine after the transfer of nuclear weapons. what is important in this composition today is that china as a member state

he is a member of the un security council he did not provoke russia to escalate with his actions he did not harm global peace and security and he did what a civilized member of international coexistence should do condemn moscow to force moscow to peace because this war is to a large extent and if you look deeply and not superficially, it is disadvantageous even to china , and finally, of course , the chinese agenda has many ambitious plans in front of it, and the main question is china's support for russia theoretical potential or which is simply announced , there are two questions: what will be the consequences for china if it ignores the warning of our western partners to provide weapons to russia, and secondly, what will it cost for

russia, this support, and how russia will settle with china for the one that prykin will send to moscow thank you danyla lubkivska diplomat director of the kyiv security forum if mr. danyla didn't like grandson then i apologize right away without waiting for the end of the program yes please excuse us now people's deputy of ukraine head of the permanent delegation of ukraine in the parliamentary assembly nato yehor chernev uh, if i see him, i will be very happy. thank you, mr. igor, for finding us on sunday . first of all, i am not talking about nato, but since you are sitting in the verkhovna rada, i am just briefly while preparing for the program, i looked. is there already something in the osce or the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe? in short, some ukrainians refused to go somewhere to vienna

. can you explain a little bit what happened there ? why is the ukrainian delegation not going? well, somehow i was a little smart, mr. igor, please have a word of good day. there really is a problem in ours, this is the osce parliamentary assembly, which is still present in the russian federation on february 24, which was last year, when it was supposed to be just the same the meeting of the session since then russians were not physically present there at these sessions that took place for a figure now they have decided to return and the head of the delegation of the russian federation is none other than fan tolstoy well such a propagandist is just a terry cloth what is it called and it is very surprising that the austrians really issued visas to everyone that's slutsky tolstoy and so on somewhere, if i'm not mistaken

, or here 30 or more people, and moreover, these people are under sanctions as a propagandist and they still got a visa, our position is our delegation, well, the ukrainian parliamentary delegation ah, boycotting is boycotting, but anyway, the delegation will go and it will not be at the official part or where to hold bilateral meetings with other delegations and solve, in principle , the same problems that should be solved at the level of the session, moreover, we proposed a solution of this problem, because it is necessary to make changes to the charter in order to expel the russians from the assembly, there is support with us , the baltic countries and poland will also join, but other countries

will also join. i think that they will join. in austria, on the one hand , they constantly catch russian spies and send them out in packs, and on the other hand, they invite russians, maybe non-spies and maybe spies. can put pressure on governments on self-organization of nato in order for some very useful things necessary for ukraine to happen there, please explain ah, this is more of a body, by the way, but here it is important that ah, parliamentary delegations take after there the discussion of some issue leads to this, the results of the discussion, their parliaments, yes, parliaments make decisions , including coordinating or co-ordinating, relatively speaking , the work of governments, and that is why it is very important here , precisely at the bilateral-external level

, literally yesterday i also had a meeting with the americans on the sidelines of the ministry of finance conference, if only half of those deputies , which congressmen, were they from the delegation of the nato parliamentary assembly from the united states, and we are on bilateral at such meetings, we decide on aid to the country, armaments, tanks, and now this is a question for the politicians on the attack, well, that is, in addition to the work of the parliamentary assembly itself, it is very important , very effective, and you can work with parliamentarians and convey your own opinion. position so that they defend it inside and from this session that will take place in may. we want to leave it with concrete proposals that should be heard at the june summit in vilnius

on ukraine so that it does not become a politics again open doors and there were concrete steps as we move towards each other in the direction of nato to ukraine ukraine to us well, then please open up to the secret that i am a journalist i have to somehow extract secrets from the officials well , when you have bilateral conversations behind the scenes over coffee for with beer, diplomats say something, politicians say something, deputies of various levels in europe and in america and canada, when you ask them what well, are you more inclined to admit us to nato in two or three years , or are you more inclined not to admit us to nato

nato can only promise, that is, there are some options that can help ukraine, they say. and you, let’s do this and that , and then you will be faster, and if you don’t do this and that, then you will be even faster, that is, where we are , maybe not even in the paper sense, what you wrote on the 20th, you do it and we do it on the 30th and if the mood was like this, the general mood, how favorable is it for ukraine , mr. ihor, please, the mood is dynamic , because until february 24, of course, there were three categories of countries alone, they supported us everywhere and it's always our close neighbors, the baltic countries, poland, the czech republic, ah , there were countries that, uh, took a completely neutral attitude , ukraine won't be there.

germany and france are actually original here. but after february 24, a lot changed, such tectonic upheavals took place and they and the dynamics are basically preserved because if there were earlier there was an argument that well , i think i mean until february 24 there was argument we don't want to provoke russia well, plus there were a lot of technical connections and through which these countries were connected, now it's more of a question how when, well, that is, now there is a division into countries that are ready even tomorrow, but there are the division of the country, who say, let's return to this issue after the war, after the end of the war, we are there, we are not against it, but in what form, with or without a federal state, in a month or a year, let's discuss it later. this is how it is, in

principle, general picture but i want us to well, if not a time frame, then at least a specific plan of action of what we are doing for our part. by the way , despite the war, we are still continuing the reforms that bring us closer to nato and ours are such ambitious goals for this june summit to vote on the reform of the sbu and to vote on the law on state secrets, which will be absolutely uh with the same approaches and standards for information protection as our partners in nato countries and at least there is a law on civil supervision the security sphere so that we simply come to ourselves and say that look , we have done our homework. let's somehow also move towards us. one more question, mr. igor, another important

question. we literally have 5 minutes, but this is a lot . americans already have an understanding of europeanness. i don't know diplomats and intelligence officers, which is often the same that russia is not the eu is not a factor, that russia is not a power , that russia has shown its powerlessness, that russia has shown its short-sightedness, and what's more, if they have nuclear weapons in the same condition as its all other military topics, let's say yes, that means they don't have nuclear weapons either. i constantly think about where were you in munich and about yesterday's speech by kamala harius, who simply accused putin of

crimes and i discussed with others today by diplomats that this is a case of whites in a normal state of affairs that it's just a person said to an official of one state about an official person another way you are a criminal and we have evidence that you are a criminal well listen after that i don't know should we declare war and no nothing like that happened, the only thing i guarantee is that yesterday, yesterday and today, putin did not sleep, please, mr. igor, this speech was kamala harius, and it is really the most important thing here. i thought she would take another next step . to be honest, what will they say? we are from biden in warsaw they will say that after all those uh statesman , how did she do it, what will she say and we support the tribunal regarding aggression against the top of the kremlin, unfortunately, this is the last step was not taken. i think that

they really leave him there for the nearest the future, but it was very important that that the cavalry declared that these are not only war crimes, but crimes against humanity, and this is already an absolutely different e-e level in all investigations, which just says that not only the perpetrators on the ground in buch are to blame, the same soldiers or officers, but the top of the kremlin is to blame and here is already such a concrete signal not even to putin, but to his entourage that you guys will now think about your future, before that you just stole money, and now you are changing from kleptomaniacs to war criminals, who will be answered, i think that this is precisely for the sake of imbalance inside, there was a specific message from the united states yesterday, well, what about russia? how

is it perceived as a powerful force? unfortunately, for quite a long time, i spoke about this directly to our partners in russia. it seemed that these disinformation attacks were being prepared. what are you provoking? don't give weapons to ukraine there because we will do something there because and what. honestly, well, that's why we received half of the tanks. we could n't, uh, solve this problem . however, this is a question of our partners. after the end of this war with the russian federation, how to build relations with it, with whom to build relations there, and how to disarm, relatively speaking, the russian federation, because as long as it has nuclear weapons, it will be a

threat to humanity. partners, well, in the supply of weapons or in support of ukraine, the last question is literally 30 seconds, mr. ihor, i’m sorry, but at least the conversations about what to do with these nuclear weapons and what to do with the betrayal of un security are starting, where do you sit in russia absolutely violating the un charter . well , macron told russia that the un charter is not effective at all because of its presence there, and that something needs to be done about it . and this is already a direct breakthrough, in fact, because for a very long time this story was somehow brushed off . and regarding the nuclear armament or disarmament of the russian federation, there is still no unified position, but we, for our part, propose, for example , to link the lifting of sanctions as the last such border as the last action that must