[000:00:00;00] the sea of ​​tears and to the atlantic because novorossiysk does it well, it doesn't turn out so well that is the black sea it provides well and in principle it is not only there the russian vision , there were many theorists who studied the black sea and say that well the one who controls the crimea, he controls the black sea, well, we are there, so, well, this is such an important factor , especially if you want to have some military influence there, well, i want to say that now ukraine controls 20% of its coast - but 60% of which it will be it controls the crimean peninsula, and crimea, well, from a rural military point of view, it is a very profitable place for the basing of surface forces and

submarine forces, missiles and aviation , especially thanks to its fop. like sevastopol, for example, and novorossiysk. by the way, odesa also has worse conditions for basing surface forces there, and sevastopol is very ideal for this. and they are, in principle , the last, well, at least 100 years worked on building such an impregnable base in sevastopol, on the southern coast of crimea, you know, there are many citadels built there, i don’t know which ones hold these, nuclear explosions and so on, that is, if, again, russia holds crimea then she will use it for the projection

of force , we have a very serious such geopolitical distance, that is, at least on the sea and the atlantic. the current situation at the front and about the strategic interests of russia. that is, now we will talk about european politics with our next guest, the member of the european parliament from estonia, marina kalirant, good, good, to see you. i would like to see you under better circumstances. in history and in brussels that we always meet under difficult circumstances, you have such a fate , by the way, i remembered you a few days ago, i will even tell you what we will do about the dismantling of the monument in kyiv general vatutin, you know that he was standing literally near the ukrainian parliament. it was a little lame, the main monument of the city from the point of view of location. now he

dismantled it, and i remembered how 15 years ago your car was attacked in moscow by the estonian ambassador in moscow. we understand. that's all there were people connected with the kremlin when in estonia, under similar circumstances, they dismantled a monument in the center of tallinn dedicated to the so-called soldiers of the liberator, herd by the occupiers of estonia, eh and i, you podol, that we are 15 years old you don't understand, you still don't have the feeling that these are the same processes, just in your country, they happened to us much earlier , yes, you know, i also thought about it many times, but of course i wanted to tell the truth that the monuments were not dismantled, they were moved. yes, because this it was for burial, there were preservations , they were moved. but if this, uh, center of moscow was plastered with my portraits , hitler's mustaches were drawn on me, and it was written that the ambassador

of the fascist state is wanted. fascists, nazis were preparing the public for the fact that these are abnormal people, we have to fight them. huge propaganda was brought to our embassy, ​​children were brought and we told how fascists work in this embassy, ​​who kill their fathers and grandfathers. one of the attempts to try how does propaganda work , if you talk about how the public mood changes, you see real changes in the public mood in estonia, i would say in the wrong sector of society who always perfectly understood the danger of the russians. and it is precisely in those sectors that there is a danger that he did not want to see among the so-called russian- speaking population. changes well, first of all, as for the official position of history and our

parliament, i myself belong to the central democrats and all other political parties that are now in the parliament in estonia. they are a united front against the war, history adopted a resolution sometime in september or october that russia is a state that supports terrorism and is an aggressor of the state, that is, but at the official level , there are no questions about individual politicians and what they think in the middle. i think now they are silent, as for our russian -speaking population, then i would say that in 2007 there was a crisis. in the 14th year there was a crisis when crimea was occupied. then the russian-speaking population in history literally split into

the families had different concepts. i think it continues. and now, but i think now, those who support putin, sections of the russian -speaking population in estonia are getting smaller and smaller and smaller. because they just see this war, they may not believe the same channel , they may not believe the western channel they have acquaintances, they just see these corpses that are returning, they see what is being done in bucha and irpen, but what is happening today in ukraine, tell me, leon, that’s all, if you talk about the situation that has developed in eh, the very security of estonia, you understand what i mean. in ukraine, they always believe that in the event of ukraine's defeat, an immediate threat is created for the nato member countries. but these are not abstract countries. the story is called a bit of hypocrisy. number one, did you ever feel such threats when you were in charge of the ministry of foreign affairs, for example, when you had access to all this closed

information, did you see that russia could really hit estonia, or at least how can you call a provocation against your country? you can say that the provocation was organized, so we were always ready. as for the attack, i think 2004 was a very big step for us. then we became members of the european union and when we became members of nato because i i think that then putin was not yet so cornered, he was still at least a little bit predictable, they do such stupid things as they are now. we know that the fifth article of collective defense works, and on the other hand, we, as a state from our history with russia , also built our armed forces, well, for many years we were among the five states, so we

actually sent 2% of gdp to military armaments, other states, including germany they didn't do it because i think we were quite realistic, well, they understood that i can do it well, that was our lesson in the forties never to be alone allies, you now see a situation in which your position. this is the position of estonia in the european parliament and in the european union in nato. to live and trade peacefully but this is the same this is the fact this is the fact this is how i myself remember when i met with my western colleagues and told them how the kremlin works

i worked in moscow for three years. i saw this propaganda from the east since 1991. i was all the time under a wave of information propaganda and military disinformation . that it was necessary to listen to the baltic states and poland and eastern europe in general, this is positive, but now the second step . for now, the best thing that can be done for the security of history and the european union and nato is the victory of ukraine under the conditions that ukraine presents, it is the change of the regime in moscow, it is the bringing to justice those who committed crimes on the territory of ukraine, and those who are now sitting in the kremlin, and that is why this is the initiative of the parliament to create

a special tribunal, in my opinion , this is very important, just now, i will work on those who will get as much international support as possible for this tribunal. the nato tribunal or the european union, he took advantage of the widespread international support. what do you think about the real euro-atlantic european prospects of ukraine? i am relying on the estonian experience, because you know that there is a great desire in ukraine for this to happen . be the speed at which you count, well , first of all, let me tell you that i was very disappointed when ukraine asked for candidate status and received it only 3 months later, in my opinion, you should be it was immediately in march, when they again declared well, this is what we discussed for three months and we are talking about candidacy status, which legally, it seems to mean nothing, this is a strong political signal, unfortunately it would not be, i do not see that today there is a readiness for

expansion in the european union, it is not only a beauty ukraine, this concerns general expansion. i feel that the european union still has people who believe that the expansion is history and that another state has joined us. it was a mistake. ukraine will not join the european union, but the negotiations will begin and a lot will depend on you. a lot will depend on how we can help you with our experience and the topic from that point on. ask some of our olegs in the european union who are now dealing with kemptitichesky and can it be too you said, what is the difference between the history of one and a half million and one decimal place of 3 million, the birth of ukraine is something completely different, this means that everything must be changed from the laws of the european union, all the provisions in russia are already a common market, this will not happen in a month in two, i think it will take more time. well, we need to prepare for this and start doing

it when already because for ukraine this is an opportunity. and this is a window of opportunity. candidacy status of seven for ukraine and for moldova, not for georgia, this window is now open and this is what you need to use and once again, as i said at the beginning, believe me, you have many friends, you have many people who support you not only with words but also with theirs actions and naturally well, they will help speed up this process, but i would like to tell ukrainians that you will be in the european union when that day comes. i don't know. it will be patiently . estonia submitted an application to join the european union. you were invited to the negotiations in 1997. we joined in 2004. it will take time because it is necessary to make reforms throughout the state, i perfectly understand how you are now

a sufferer, that is, i think i don’t even understand the gender part of it. i see the news. but i don't feel it the way it feels, and maybe it sounds wild. well, patience, patience, and with the help of those who support you . well, you will reach this goal because, in my opinion , the ukrainian people have very clearly stated where and how they want to see their future car example on this, too, because it’s only a matter of time. well, i just don’t see it. you don’t want to join the european union. the logic works the other way around. what do you need to do with all those reforms to join the european union, and then the ato was on the contrary, well, two joined organizations at the same time, but again, we are like that, well, that we

will join nato. to rebuild all our economic ties to rebuild our entire economy, it will turn from the socialist republic to a normal democratic state, this was our goal. and we also had an opportunity. how are you now supported by us under the regime and we just used this window, i really hope that you will use it with the help of those who are helping you now, tell me, this is it , finland will now join nato - this will increase your security, do you think or increase it finland's security well, you know, in principle, finland is such a close partner of nato that, for example, on some issues we cooperate with finland much, much more closely than with some other nato allies. no naively, he saw these maps that you showed when you were general gerasimov, they didn’t make a difference where nato nato begins, where

nato ends for them, the baltics, finland was one sphere, it seemed like one territory for them it was one single piece so of course it’s a very joyful film they will step in, but we hope they will do it together with the swedes . but if it doesn't work, then as quickly as possible, one after the other, because this is already somehow morally and politically, it's a very strong signal, it means that the baltic sea will be a nato sea, and that it means that of course we are all feeling even more confident, but i would just like to glean that and now the finns are very good partners. yes, it's a beautiful winter. thank you, marina, for this meeting. it was a success. thank you

for your support . ukraine 2050, honorary consul of ukraine in montreal, long-term president of the world congress of ukrainians, we are in touch. greetings, panel of things , vitaliy, i am glad to see you. so , let's try to understand . i want to say that canada has already taken an important step when on april 27, the parliament of canada did not know

what russia is now committing acts of genocide in ukraine. this is a very important unanimous decision of the canadian parliament . now there is a resolution in january to recognize the wagner group as a terrorist organization, which came to the canadian parliament. in the parliament, it is in the palace of the community and in rehabilitation , and there is a contribution from one deputy to recognize russia as a country that sponsors terrorism, how the government will react to this , we will see in the next days and weeks in in principle, if we talk about the further sanctions policy, do you think that something else can be done that is effective both for the countries

of north america and for europe so that russia really feels the consequences of the sanctions pressure, what should be done in your opinion, i think that it is obvious by recognizing russia as a sponsor terrorism it will be a very important step, so how could we? congratulations, see in my article, when a country in canada is a sponsor of terrorism, it loses protection in the courts of state immunity, which means that your assets are currently frozen by the sanctions regime in canada will be able to have access to them. they will not only be frozen , but they will be able to be arrested and er and used to compensate the victims of the genocidal er war . so i think this is a very important step

, obviously canada as well united states er, there is er not er much to this issue er slowly er i think that to a certain extent because both canada and the united states of america believe that it is possible the advantages of such a decision are not er greater than it is that it can actually provoke that all diplomatic relations between the countries will be disrupted and canada and the united states of america probably believe that in addition to helping ukraine and protecting its territorial integrity, diplomatic roads should not be completely covered and there is such a debate or such uh or such a decision will be more

is it useful or harmful in general? how can we act today in the best way to help ukraine in this difficult time . let's talk about diaspora assistance . what do you think is the most important in principle ? what do you think is the most important thing for our country in this difficult time? i think that the most important thing is that we influence the power structures of the countries where the ukrainian alliance lives, in particular in countries where the ukrainian voice is powerful, it is probably the most powerful in canada and it can give as an example of this is that 20, just as the genocidal war was beginning, there were meetings of the board of directors of the congress of ukrainians of canada, and during these meetings, the prime minister of canada

and about four or five ministers participated in order to discuss with the guidance of the ukrainian community in canada, it is best to help ukraine protect itself in november. when was the congress of the canadian ukrainians not in ataba, but far away in winnipeg? also, in honor of this. west, the minister of canada arrived directly on the 4th or 5th ministers and other influential people to actually discuss in detail how best to help ukraine today. so i think that the most important task of our comedy in the united states of america is

to influence the power structures of canada the united states of america was the best and that the approach was changing. i think that now he could probably notice. i was interested to hear the former general of the united states of america, who about two or three years ago said that the american - america helps to ukraine, but that its approach to military aid or military aid is less, more like this, at ukraine's calls, no, no , and then like this and why , what are these secretions? now, in my opinion, there are those who need to help ukraine protect its territorial integrity, because this is the right decision

based on international law, but the approach is also with a great emphasis to prevent the escalation of this war and our tasks of the ukrainian community or ukraine and our the superstructures of the world congress of ukrainians, the congress of ukrainians of canada and a number of other organizations, including the public organization ukraine 2050, which i head, is actually to change the approach, even if the approach was not helping ukraine, but uh, we have to bring it back so that there are no escalations, change this approach in order to we are really helping ukraine so that ukraine can win this genocidal war as soon as possible, because this is the best guarantee of security in europe and in the world. these are very

important. it would be an important change in the approach that will be reflected in the help because we will not say to ukraine that we can send a certain number of tanks there to help ukraine after a certain time and so on, but rather an expert then, if there was such a political will, would have been tortured with ukraine , er, to decide strategically what help is needed now, as soon as possible to win this war, i wish that this is one of the biggest tasks of the ukrainian diaspora today, obviously we have to continue you continue to help ukraine, humanitarian, non-humanitarian and

various types of help to the armed forces ukraine is also doing this and the shield congress of ukrainians is doing this to the congress of ukrainians in canada. our financial institutions are doing it, so there is that help. i have to go further , and i think that ukraine can obviously count on it. and what do you think of this fact? that the west is really trying to do everything to prevent this war from happening. if you want a foreign post-soviet space , yes, yes, we help, we supply weapons, but there are conditional borders of the former soviet union, you have to fight in these borders, we are not a party to the conflict, where it ends the soviet union is ending the war there, it's dangerous in general, how to convince western public opinion that this is not a very far-sighted approach. i think that the first step is to convince that russia is clearly going to continue like ukraine, god forbid

did not protect its borders and this is what russia has already shown, and i think that ukraine is possible enough, this does not emphasize that uh, in my opinion , it is a very important date, uh, since when this genocidal war began, on march 4, if you remember, at that time, they fired at the largest nuclear the largest power plant in zaporizhzhia power plant in europe and how a fire started in one side building not so far from the rectors and at three o'clock at night the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine gave such news that if these reactors were blown out, the consequences would be 10 times worse than the catastrophe

in chornobyl and at the time when ukrainian firefighters tried to put out the fire during the shelling, at that time ukraine not only made statements, but really defended the whole of europe , because it really wouldn’t even be necessary to talk about uh 10 times if there were 2-3 times like this themselves are like that such consequences as there were in chernobyl, then we would not talk about the temporary relocation of ukrainians who are in sinful countries . to cross the borders, and that is why i think that ukraine now, when we celebrate the first anniversary of the genocidal war by 9:00, the anniversary of the general military invasion of ukraine, should emphasize

such moments when ukraine is really already defended europe and also show that you are actually shelling shows that russia has a much further goal as ukraine will encroach on other countries and other countries will have to defend themselves, this will come at a great and much worse cost for them, it will not be just financial means the human cost that ukraine is experiencing today and ukraine is therefore in the best interests and we must present it to the western countries so that ukraine can protect tons and other countries do not have to defend themselves as ukraine did during in 2022, i think that they should be like that, mr. vitaly, our main

arguments are to convince the western world, yes, to give that assessment. i think that there are a number of different examples that already show that russia is already detecting when it comes to the fact that in ukraine, the idea is genocidal war but russia has long since launched a hybrid aggression against the west, we can see it through a number of different cyber attacks, such as interference in democratic and various election processes, even in the affected states of america, and you can see disinformation that is extremely harmful , so there are already and there are a number of examples where you can already to show that russia is an enemy of the west and i think that we are such examples, i should not use you to convince that the approach was changing and that the approach was not so that we can

help, but we must prevent escalation, because putin must be presented two days before the start of this genocidal war, clearly stated publicly that the united states and nato member countries believe that russia is their enemy and that russia must defend itself and that it must therefore start this so-called special operation in ukraine because the western attack against russia will go through ukraine therefore, there are clearly a number of different examples that need to be used in order to actually change this approach in favor of ukraine. congratulations mr. yevhen yevhen, the president of the holy congress of ukrainians was in touch