[000:00:00;00] on the air of the saturday political club greetings friends angelika season good evening today is already 360 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian enigmas p vitaliy the anniversary of the invasion of a full-scale scattered on our territory is approaching i personally am a little worried and you i am not a fan of somehow measuring the risks with taxes, a more massive attack is possible missile is possible with the use of aviation. well, there can be a based attack, because then when the decision to carry it out is made by the president of russia, i do not understand how this should be related to the anniversary without construction. we are always in a logic that completely contradicts reality . we are looking for some excuses for putin to do something. you know, if there is an anniversary, it will be massed like this. and if

there is an attack on crimea , it will be nuclear. this is how he makes such a decision. he is absolutely not interested in dates or any of our actions. he does not look at us at all as a subject of his own policy. certain 23rd defender of the fatherland day 24th anniversary well they didn't attack 23 they just led to the situation as you remember before the attack was planned a week before that so simply i understand that all these reports of western intelligence from the conservatives forced him to postpone it a little. it seems to me that we ourselves live in this soviet logic, you know what we like to give the blessed one what they like to give, all the soviet people also liked to give a mass attack. it may be enough when there are enough missiles, if they are

it is enough for kyiv on the 24th, why on 24 if it is found that the missile is enough? it is necessary to spend 26, 26 will pass and then what is a mass attack, energy, what is this morning , there was no mass attack, so well, if there is a mass attack, let's say it was there today, it will be in three days, was there a week ago and it will be 2.4, then it will definitely add attacks , it will be more interesting what putin will say there during his message to the federal assembly, what signals will be there, then it will be possible to analyze although i also do not really believe that this it will be necessary to analyze but one way or another it is any statements, any explanations of what is happening. by the way, until february 21, then they have some success in preparing, it is possible to capture bakhmut, at least because they have been trying to do it for many months now, i do not remember that any such things were being prepared before the special mission because in principle, if it were so, then it would be possible to send a message when there is some obvious uh victory yes and not the other way around well, let's talk about this with

vasyl bohdan, a veteran of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine to lieutenant generals congratulations mr. vasyl the word to ukraine i congratulate you, what do you think, mr. vasyl, do you believe in this magic date that is now loved by our compatriots , you know this question is almost rhetorical because it all depends on who has what kind of life school who lived in sovka for what period who has a knack and what preferences and who suffered physical and psychological stress on a large scale, objectively assessing the situation , one must look realistically and understand that the side that has been so shamefully

occupying a large part of ukraine for 9 years now and continues an aggressive war against us, it uses everything to make the situation progressive for itself, to mobilize, first of all, russian society, and secondly, to intimidate our partners and encourage them to stop large-scale military aid to ukraine, which is seriously helping us now to fight with the russian aggressor, so of course it is in blood and the romanov empire - it is in the blood and the soviet empire to devote some of their actions to events that are already in some way in the attitude of russian society and then even in the soviet one and to show its citizens that the government remembers all this, the government has opportunities and it can successfully solve

the issues that are on the agenda. recently , the fine edition of another newspaper wrote with reference to intelligence sources that russian aviation is gathering on the border with ukraine. however, the stories of the strength of the armed forces of ukraine there they stated that they are constantly either accumulating their aircraft or removing it again, and this does not mean anything. do you think there is any threat? maybe they are reinforcing their ground offensive in this way, which is not very successful, and what role in it is played by informational and psychological operations, the powerful intelligence counterintelligence apparatus of the russian federation works for it, its agents both in ukraine and abroad, including in european countries , recently, just yesterday, it was reported that

a russian agent who worked for the aggressor country and tried to be exposed in the bnd to collect information about the location of heimers and other objects of interest to the russian federation in order to hit them with terrorist missile attacks , and therefore this information about which you have now announced she is also in this series to depress, demoralize and disorient ukrainian society and in this way to introduce certain signals into ukrainian society about the fact that ukraine is surrounded, there is no chance for it and it is necessary to accept the conditions dictated by the cream, this information in this published in this newspaper, it is clear that the russian special services are active and, obviously, the counter-intelligence

of the country where this publication operates, there is something to be involved in and what to be interested in. this was refuted by the military-civilian administration of the sumy region and our by military commanders in this regard, therefore, it should be considered as an enemy's actions aimed at the ukrainian side withdrawing its military contingent from the main directions, not giving it the opportunity to repel attacks in the east in the donetsk and luhansk regions, especially the cyborgs are behaving near the ugledar near bakhmuta kreminnoi matchmaker there is a estuary and so on and so on well, in this way, somehow , i will contribute to the implementation of my own plans, which , even after additional mobilization, there

is no success because the contingent is inexperienced they are unprepared, demoralized, and have no desire to fight for some values ​​and interests unknown to them. well, the professional part of the marines from the amphibious assault troops there has already been largely crushed and beaten out by our ukrainian military guys, and this creates serious problems for russia and in terms of the availability of ammunition and the same missiles of the corresponding range by class and as we observe now, russia has changed certain tactics from massive missile attacks, and some episodic point attacks are aimed at

the use of various of these balls there in order to er spoil the mood of our air defense so that it is disoriented and er spends on insignificant objects very valuable in financial terms missiles there and yet another reason er in this particular case i i am convinced and confident that the higher military and political leadership of our country, the general staff and the command of the operational commands of various regional levels, they have this information, they understand what is happening, they hold the front, albeit tensely and rigidly regardless of the quality of the efforts of various categories of soldiers, we can see that the wagnerites were already under the targets, in fact , they were beaten there by somewhere around 30,000 and qualified military personnel, both in equipment

and in manpower, the enemy is suffering quite significant losses and is practically exhausted because of this and is making every effort to do so so that with these informational and psychological attacks somehow demoralize, shift the emphasis and create some kind of panicky mood in the ukrainian society itself, which by 85-90% stands on the position that ukraine should lead this war in such a way as to liberate all the territories temporarily occupied by the russian federation. well, i will just say a few words about the recent summits and the women's service in relation to the munich conference and within the framework of rammstein. it seems to me that ukraine

ceases to be a hostage to geopolitical clashes and it is already perceived as a serious , effective and reliable partner of the geopolitical field of the global world. will lead to an unwanted escalation, this is the same western formula and how can you not understand where it is, where is this formula, what is the amount of weapons , how does it fit with putin's possible unwanted reaction, who knows this proportion, do you know, uh, i 'll tell you this this proportion or this thesis is imposed, it is clear by whom and for what in the context of slowing down the supply of weapons to ukraine, but there is, i will send to the speech at the same munich conference, the prime minister

of great britain's decision, which, in my opinion, is quite clearly, concretely and categorically urged and partners and allies to provide all kinds of assistance to ukraine militarily, he said that it is necessary to double the supply of weapons to ukraine in order to implement both a military strategy that foresees a victory for ukraine in the war with russia and a political strategy to achieve, as a result of all this , peace that would secure ukraine in the future and the global world and made serious corrections to the guarantees of global security for the long term, and those statements made by mr. scholz and mr. macron and, by the way, mr.

stoltenberg in the context of providing increasing the provision of aid to ukraine, and mrs. kharich, who also spoke at the munich conference about the military crimes that russia is committing in ukraine, and this has already been proven , and she stated that the guilty will suffer the punishment they deserve and everything is forming. at the very least, i have a certain optimism and confidence in the fact that the rubicon of doubts is the rubicon of doubts about the fact that each supply of weapons will lead to an escalation. this has already been passed in the west, who clearly understood that putin can be stopped in ukraine and not only only by force of arms because that policy is national, chauvinistic, russian aggressive, it is aimed at only one thing in this

particular case, to destroy ukraine as a state and then move on to europe and the world thank you thank you today general oleksandr was in touch with us and now we let's move with you to the united states let's talk with the professor of new york university igor eisenberg congratulations mr. igor congratulations congratulations congratulations to you friends congratulations to all the viewers god well let's try to start with the american-chinese escalation another hot air balloon today was the speech of a member of the poliklipil central committee of the communist party of china in england, the most authoritative chinese diplomat at the munich conference, he specially arrived there and for the first time in many years, he said that china is not even satisfied with this , the united states is making up for the situation, that they behaved this way to the balloon that they too cannot be a guarantor of security. well, along with that, they are meeting with europeans

, translating them into something, how much at all now washington is worried about the current conflict, calm as it is reflected in the general situation that i see it very clearly that washington is very worried and it was still a wind balloon because well washington is i think that this is such a consensus between the democrats and the republicans between the political establishment that china's greatest threat in the medium-term long-term perspective provides the security of the united states and generally liberal education because russia and russia as defined even in defense strategy of the usa that russia is an acute and urgent threat right now, but in the medium-term, early-term and long-term perspectives , the chinese are the biggest threat due to the fact that china is a country with a very strong economy, which, despite all the formations

, is growing, has a tendency to further growth, and china can use it is for its coercive practices in order to switch certain countries or groups of countries to its side because the concern of china is generally very high and this event is with a bullet added, of course, added you to the perception of china. the fact that china is an adversary is not the first bullet. by the way, it seems to be the fourth , at least the first two, in general, the usa was simply not noticed, even uh. you may have even more of them so that they were not noticed anymore er, and they still perceive this story with the bullet. well, as such, you are defiantly certain on the part of china , because the americans, american specialists believe that, in principle, it is possible to do much more

intelligence, investigate information, collect satellites, er, not with the help of such bullets that china itself sends a second in order to show that we can do what we want, even send uh, these bullets uh, into the airspace of the united states so that relations escalated significantly escalated, although you must see that the secretary of state blinkin met today in munich with the chinese e- minister avan and ah, that is, they talked about something , eh, i think that despite these escalations, eh, the usa is certainly not interested in a hot conflict with china in order for these relations to have some kind of framework. i.e. that it would be. it was possible

such a cold war that would not have the opportunity to turn into a hot war in the period of 21. what do you think vladimir putin will address before the parliament of the russian federation, will it be similar to last year's address? before a full-scale invasion, will his theses change in any way, or will we to hear again that western nato countries pose a danger to russia and that here in ukraine they are conducting a special operation in this regard to eliminate the nazis as well. well, i think that this is exactly what you will not say so that from the last one what did you say? well, that the west is a danger to russia, that the west wants to deprive russia of its sovereignty, that the west is a threat to russia, that in general, russia, russia started what they call a special operation precisely in order to protect itself, so to speak , from from the threat of the west, that ukraine is simply a tool of the west in

the fight against russia. i think that he will repeat almost the same thing that he repeated before, he will concentrate. after all, there are almost no of them in the field, it will be like this a propaganda speech, he can call everything a success, he can say that they almost liberated the donetsk luhansk people's republic , so to speak whatever , the vast majority of the population of russia will perceive it as how it is and that is why he can afford to talk about what he has great successes there, that they

are successfully fighting the western weapons by the west and so on. that is, of course, it will be calculated on the russian population, of course, there may be some messages for the west. but it seems to me that it is time for western leaders to listen to such messages. he passed putin putin missed the moment when you could still talk with him well, do you remember how many times macron called him , for example how many times scholz called him, this conversation stopped. i think that at some point all western leaders came to understand that if in fact with putin imagines that he is not a political figure

as they are, that is, that there is nothing to actually talk about with him, and putin at this moment missed when such an understanding came and what he would agree on . whatever public messages you send to the west, i think how much more information can the party receive through such contacts in a half-arranged manner, when, say, the director of the central intelligence agency meets there with the director of the russian foreign intelligence service, or the national security officials hold a meeting or conversation there with patroshev, i think that through such contacts, the west can get more information about russia’s intentions and what you can’t expect than putin’s public law. although of course it is important to listen , at least to check whether his mood has changed or his approaches to propaganda , even to his own population, have changed. only for the event. and tell me now, when

representatives of the congress from both political parties turn to president biden and ask him to give more modern weapons to ukraine, including fighter jets, how important is this? is this a symbolic act? is this a change in attitudes that sooner or later will lead to a change in the administration's position regarding the planes? i think i plan to mention that it is both one and the other, because of course it is a symbolic act that is important. they say that there is a discussion about this issue , in fact, look at the sulunok. the prime minister of great britain said today that great britain is starting to train ukrainian pilots to work on western fighter jets, that is, it is starting. so this means that the decision has actually been made. i think that we must understand that the problem with western planes is such a complex, big

problem, and it cannot be solved at one moment, but if we say today that r16 planes will fly to a certain number of ukrainian airfields, this does not mean that tomorrow they will be able to be used by the air force of ukraine because you must learn to use them unlike the soviet-made aircraft used by ukraine, let's say in 16. these fighters and attack aircraft are in one plane a bomber, i.e. pilots not only have to learn to fly them, they have to learn the tactics of their use according to the regulations, let's say the pantogon, retraining a pilot for an f-16 takes 6 months, it is necessary to prepare the infrastructure of the airfield, it is necessary to prepare engineering and technical personnel for aircraft maintenance, that is, this is not the kind of thing that it is possible to decide to take today for tomorrow or even in a month. another question is whether it was possible to start solving this problem

, let's say at least six months ago or even earlier or or at all until february 24. last year before this. by the way , retired american generals called on the baidu administration in the first days of its coming to power . let's say when there were such articles on the atlantic website. i don’t know there for reasons that uh, if uh, the event was supplied for such a thing in ukraine for everyone until february 24, it could provoke russia. well , there were probably considerations, but i saw from what i see what i see now that it is i understand that it will not be done direct today to tomorrow, but uh, from what i see today i understand that ukrainian planes will appear and when it will happen, we can't tell you how many months it will take, especially from the fact

that i still sumakh said this in full today. it became clear to me because there is no point in training pilots if there is no principled decision on the transfer of languages , that is, if pilots start training , then sooner or later they will be on planes . yes, mr. igor, let's summarize the meeting between lukashenko and putin. yesterday's audience with russia, and first of all, what did they agree on, was it just a meeting, well, nothing, let's talk about it to make it look to the western countries that they are still such partners , allies and support each other, and lukashenko recently made statements that belarus allegedly can enter into a full-scale war with russia against ukraine if, say, at least one soldier crosses the border of belarus, what kind of hint is this, well, actually

, look, they can provoke a provocation, just do it. they know how to do it. well , the same way, let's say, the soviet union did when he started the countermeasures against finland in 1939, just like hitler did when he started the plan against poland on september 1 , 39 will be how he has done this until now, he will do everything possible so that the belarusian troops do not directly participate in the war, because he understands that it is up to him, for him personally, it can end badly, and for him personally, the most important thing is to be in power, uh, for sure until the end of his life, how he understands it, that is, he probably thinks that he is immortal in general, that

is, he will interrupt forever, for this he needs to avoid any upheavals in belarus because well, from what i see and read, let's say from what the representatives of the belarusian position say, participation in belarus in the war would be very unpopular among belarusians, unlike russians, who the majority of russians support the war, the majority of belarusians will not support it, that is, i can, i can not assume that putin ordered lukashenko again what is necessary lukashenko found some reasons why why we still have to wait well and quite quite funny statements lukashenko made regarding the production of airplanes seems to be a court 25 belarus only about itself so that everyone is technical assistance or sifted that provided and we will do everything everything everything well that's it

i think that such statements are made out of internal consumption , but i don't think that honestly you took place at their meeting, does it already take place or something - every month or two months approximately the same thing happens, that is, for sure putin would like involve the entire belarusian army, which is about 70,000, to participate in the war. lukashenko does not want this because he he he does not want to create any threats to his power. from there, he did something, but if we talk about this audit , we often talk about it, but now there is a message that the american deterrents will go even to the combat zone

, why is this? i think that this is such a delicate moment the audit is carried out because in the united states, a lot of attention is paid to this, not only in relation to the audit, aid to ukraine, because here the spending of funds is, well, it is such a very important thing, that every every sense from the budget should be the world. where did he go ? if he goes somewhere, here and there are these general inspectors who are in all departments in all institutions, they are sounding the alarm about this and what they are checking. where are these billions of dollars that are allocated for aid to ukraine going? this is absolutely this for their work. i think that it is possible that some other terms of the inspection are due to the fact that, well, the republicans of the house of representatives are in the majority, they exclude this from the administration, that is, they demand a report , that is exactly not how - there were no abuses from america, you have money with american aid, with american weapons, that is

that the administration wants to show that everything is in order, everything is under control and everything is checked , we must not forget that the congress must approve new budget allocations with the help of ukraine, although almost 45 billion dollars were removed from the scientific budget by september 30 but they may finish earlier and it may be necessary that even earlier the congress should approve an addendum to the budget in order to allocate more money for aid to ukraine and the republican house of representatives is in the majority, so if they turn it off, the administration must go to a meeting to show that well, everything is in order. all the more so that there are representatives among the republicans, there is a mo-ultra-right group, one in 11 of these ultra-rights in general . they introduced a resolution on ending aid to ukraine, or cynically called this resolution