[000:00:00;00] in difficult life situations, especially now, it is a difficult time for us, the time of war. in fact, even they have created special units where there are school officers who tell the current generation, but who are the policemen, what is their main function, that there is no need to be afraid of her. and actually, i also want to add that they told us patrolmen that sometimes their work is dangerous even during patrolling during the curfew because it often happens that there are soldiers from the east and the south. they often have various types of weapons or explosives with them and due to some post-traumatic disorders, they may not use it or it may end quite badly for both the policeman and the military, and therefore their work is extremely risky and extremely dangerous , we should not forget about this either. well, we continue to patrol, and in an hour we will make such final conclusions regarding today's

raid and let's name some numbers of how many violators there were today. this night in lviv , colleagues. thank you, oksana. we will wait for your inclusion in the next hour with us live our colleague from lviv, oksana lisnytska, was there. in general, the situation in ukraine is calm, we monitor everything that is happening in the regions , the air alert map now shows that there is only a threat in the dnipropetrovsk region, in the nikopol territorial community of artillery fire, luhansk region and the autonomous republic of crimea, there is already a stable air alert signal virtual, of course , has already been in use for several months. however , our

colleagues found out whether this situation will change in the near future. next, we talk about energy volodymyra melnychenko, director of energy programs of the razumkova center, please contact us, mr. volodymyr. i congratulate you, and you too, mr. volodymyr. let's start our deep conversation with the traditional question of whether we have a threat of blackouts, because a few days ago , at the national marathon, you said that there was not . but at the same time, if we analyze directly what the electricians and ukrenergo are talking about, they say that there is a threat, and the detector also reports that the electricity deficit may increase for today, give a description of the environment in which we live. well, first of all, in fact, we need to distinguish between the issue of increasing the deficit of electrical energy , blackout - these are different things, er, blackout, when

, in essence, the general energy system simultaneously loses more than 50% of its power and the possibility of functional functioning, that is, the system is divided into islands and it becomes unmanageable. yes , yes, indeed. hmm, such an option is extremely unlikely today due to the fact that, after all, the energy system is gradually our energy sector is recovering, we have gained a serious pace of recovery, well, in addition, the air defense system is working better and new methods of preventing russian attacks are being used , therefore, in principle, there are always risks, but there are high -risk

blackout zones. there will be no shortage of electrical energy, it will be there, and in principle this is logical , since the energy system is currently still operating in an extremely unsatisfactory state due to large-scale shelling, you know that almost 70% of all operational thermal power plants were damaged there, as well as the mainline system and the mainline transmission system, and that is why the intervention - moreover , the recovery takes place according to temporary schemes, and the energy system in order for it to really leave the emergency zone and reduce the risks of deficit shutdowns, it is necessary huge funds are huge investments , unfortunately, today these financial funds

are not enough, the fact that our partners provide us with international e equipment, equipment this is very good, but the energy companies themselves they work with a deep financial deficit, almost all energy companies, because today they are , unfortunately, donors of both the population and industry, and at their expense, in principle, prices are kept at a low level , but again, the economy is so arranged that if you do not have money, you do not are capable of providing the production center on our air. andriy geyros said that such a system is currently being built, i don’t know how to say it correctly, a system of small directly mini-power plants, all mini-power plants

are a temporary salvation. will it also happen on a certain period of time and quite a long time as a salvation for our ukrainian realities. well, i can't say that this is bad. this is a normal case, in principle, the construction of small power plants of small power, from one megawatt and up to 50 mw, but again , what is it? so to speak, the power of all these is insignificant today in general , if we take power plants well, you know that recently in irpen there was a start-up of such a piston gas power plant with a capacity of about 1 mw, yes, this locally solves some issues for today, but strategically energy supply in ukraine continues to depend on large blocks from nuclear power plants, primarily from thermal power plants, and it is certain that we cannot do

without traditional energy for the time being. i think you will be able to analyze them, and in parallel with the entry, the cp approves a two-stage increase in tariffs for the distribution of electricity for a certain number of oblenergo and in the war zone , and the ncrep fines certain organizations in in kyiv and odesa oblast, it is for the violation of the organization of a power outage, that is, order must be order, meanwhile, someone will declare war on these processes and reprimand the nkrecp for improper control and we will challenge it in court. please explain these processes, as well as future meetings of the nkrecp, where they will be discussed. changes in pricescapes for electricity well, indeed, such a situation occurs when there is a mass company

of fines that are imposed on our energy workers well, i am not sure that this is on time for today, because you know energy they do everything possible and impossible in order for us to be with light in essence. they work today in 24/7 mode and uh, kp demands the impossible, and sometimes there is a reaction to fake calls and fake complaints, you understand , that's why you have to understand each specific situation but then again, sometimes such a situation happens that uh, for example, to come, the brigade wants to come. that means disconnecting the houses in uh, that means those that have somewhere there 100 kw

or 150, then they spend more money on gasoline and spend more time which necessary in order to deal with the repair of power grids, that is, therefore, it is not expedient, that is why it seems to me that there should not be some kind of massive campaign of fines on the part of the nkrekp to play on the public. yes, it would be better if the nbrekp really took care of the situation if, uh, if the energy companies were provided necessary funds for the restoration of the energy system, unfortunately, this is not always done by the anchors of the kp regarding press caps - this is one of the key issues, because you know that today because of these, so to speak, unsubstantiated press caps, we have all the energy

system and almost all energy companies. they are in the zone in the zone of losses, that is, almost in a pre-bankruptcy state , and yes, in such a situation, they simply will not be able to restore either the energy networks, it does not mean energy blocks, and we will be able to simply be in sana, the emergency of the emergency of the energy system, which for a long, long time that's why you know price capta , they really exist here, they really exist in our country and in the european union, but there the level of pressscopes is completely different there, er, they are professional, they are ten times or more higher than ours, and yet the european union primarily operates on market mechanisms and is not replaced by administrative regulation, we are essentially a competitor in the kp, it has been transformed into some state plan of the ukrainian ssr, where under the guise of meaning the market, prices are set and through

loopholes are set planned, and without sources covering the deficit of e-e funds for energy companies, therefore, this system must be completely changed and switched to the european model, then, after all , i will ask you the last question about the activities of nkrekp as regulator, you expressed yourself quite diplomatically and said that it is not the time to have such a massive company directly and fine the licensees who distribute electricity, but at the same time, see if this is a regulator that directly controls e-e and regulates compliance with e-e in the fields of energy and communal services, then is it possible he can be blamed if he acts according to certain norms and rules of his own, although you are absolutely right here, it is not at the right time and so our electricians are now in such a crazy tightrope

between many processes, who then will pass and therefore it is clear that there is a lot of complaining about the activities of the ncrecp. who then is capable of redirecting the activity and the direction you talked about, it is better to let them deal with it . who should control the regulator? well, in fact , no one should control the regulator because it is an independent body and you know that this body was created for many years to to be independent and unbiased, so to speak , to be free from the influence of politicians or businessmen, and that is , tens of millions of dollars have been invested by our international partners yusei and the european commission and others international partners in order for the commission of our ncrecp to work according to european and international rules as an independent regulator, and therefore simply enricp needs

to work er work in accordance with the legislation and er and adapt and implement the legislation, well, this does not only apply to the ncrecp, it also applies to the committee of the verkhovna rada of energy engineers in general, in general, so to speak, of the verkhovna rada of the cabinet of ministers in order to implement and mean the legislation or how it would really allow such to be independent in order to it doesn't mean some kind of external influence, well, it means political or business business, business influence was to avoid this. yes, that's all, but today, unfortunately, there are other influences, political and commercial influences .

the one from the back who was passing through when this regulator was created so that it was impartial and independent and regulated the energy system in the interests of both consumers and producers of electricity volodymyr, you see there is a lot of work ahead to control what is not to be controlled. and what actually should be working , let's talk about regulators. thank you for this conversation. volodymyr melnychenko, director of energy programs of the razumkov center, was in touch with us. any steps to restore peace in ukraine must be based on the principle of its territorial integrity, according to the head of the office of foreign of china's affairs , ivan yeh talked about it with the top diplomat of eastern ukraine, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, the conversation took place during the meeting at the munich security

conference, earlier he also stated that china supports the territorial integrity of ukraine, according to him, as the anniversary of the war approaches, china will publish a document with a position on the ukrainian issue . in the presented document, we will repeat the proposal of the president , including that it is necessary to respect the territorial integrity and sovereignty , adhere to the principles of the un charter, and support all efforts for a peaceful resolution of the conflict. to the european union at the troubled munich conference, the high representative of the eu for foreign affairs and security policy, he emphasized that ukraine should transform its political structure , fight against corruption and develop democracy, ukraine belongs to the family of the european union and it will be a member of the european union by definition after what has already happened after they were bombed after they were killed after all of these waves of russian aggression, history has already

come to pass. therefore, the future of ukraine will be in the european union, zhuzev borel, high representative of the european union for foreign affairs and security policy on the eve of the full-scale invasion , the president of poland angeli duda knew that russia was attacking ukraine. what did he do to warn or hinder and reduce the consequences? was it possible to prevent the attack by the russians? nothing could be done and in any case nothing could be done exactly at the moment when this war was actually supposed to start, well, because the russians had been accumulating military units for a long time, we had information that their

the number already exceeded 150,000 troops, they were slowly approaching 200,000 russian troops concentrated around the borders of ukraine, in fact, such an opportunity did not exist for everyone somewhere, there was a quiet hope that russia would not carry out an attack, where it is quiet there already, but russia has not attacked but we are all very well we know what happened on february 24. yuriy roman yedolev from international associate professor of the department of international law of taras shevchenko national university of kyiv join our broadcast on the novel congratulations congratulations talking about anniversary of the full-scale invasion of the russian federation, i remember that washington was talking about the fact that it would be good to start a process similar to a tribunal by february 24 of this year, whether the prosecution of the russian federation for its aggression, but most likely it will

happen in the summer, as of now, how realistic is it , well, look, the process of bringing the russian federation to justice is taking place, and now we cannot say that it will start only with the creation of a special tribunal regarding aggression, a special tribunal can really be created in the summer, it can be created in the fall, eh, the main thing for us is that it be created, so we cannot demand from our eh partners to create it as soon as possible so that later there will be no questions about its legitimacy. he was recognized by the whole world, and here is the responsibility that is already three. this is also the activity of the international criminal court , which cooperates with the office of the prosecutor general and conducts investigations on the territory of ukraine. this is also the activity of the bodies

of the law and order of ukraine, because we know that thousands of criminal cases have been opened against war criminals. this is the activity of law enforcement agencies based on the principle of universal jurisdiction and they will be able to bring to justice this and the responsibility of the russian federation as a state following the lawsuits of ukraine in the un international court of human rights in the european court of human rights . the process is constant, it does not stop for a single day. and someday, at some specific moment , we will see quite a lot of solutions, and they will mostly be uh practically momentary but uh we are now we have to do everything possible to make these decisions as fast as possible eh it could be years let's be honest because international law international judicial institutions they don't work

slowly they work very carefully very detailed investigating every aspect of what is happening and that's why it leads to such a long period of consideration, but we are going this way if i'm sorry to take the example of almost 17 cases, how much did it take 8 years for us to hear , we've already seen the verdicts on four executions in all of these, we have seen evidence that links at least this way, it is now legally correct to say that putin is responsible for this tragedy . you are right. it has really been about 8 years, but it must be understood that this is a national judicial procedure in the netherlands, so if we are taking

an international judicial proceeding, then here with on the one hand, this review may be longer, as for example the international criminal court will be because proving every war crime is very difficult, but if we create a special tribunal for aggression there, the verdict will be faster. therefore, precedents show us that the process continued, but each specific case with each specific case must be considered separately, and we cannot say that it has been here for six or eight years, so we will have six or eight years here, no, it all depends on how we work, it all depends on the extent to which the world community is interested in such verdicts and in bringing the russian federation to justice, that is why we are doing everything possible to speed up this process .

the prime minister of the netherlands, and since the case of this boeing directly concerns the dutch people, well, it seems that he has an interest, but again, he does not undertake to make any predictions, although, because he understands that putin has immunity here is this one. what kind of presidential immunity, so to speak, does he have left, although the process is ongoing. and we see that a joint group of investigators is working and a center that will also investigate the cases of russian aggression in ukraine, and how can we to consider the options when putin gets rid of this immunity, one of them is probably even more obvious - it is when he ceases to be the president of the russian federation. and besides . well, look, you are talking about for us the case when there is a change of power in the russian federation and

putin is in one of the international judicial bodies , which is sooner after all, it will be located in the gas , it is of course ideal, if putin remains the president, then there is a legal obstacle, this is the immunity you mentioned , and this immunity can only be overcome by international judicial institution ot that is why we need to create this tribunal and no national law enforcement system can prosecute at the moment while putin is the president his evidence uh . if uh. putin ceases to be the president, then he can be brought to justice in ukraine and in poland and in in the united states of america and in any other country in the world , until the president, only an international judicial body, in particular a special tribunal on

aggression against ukraine , said at the munich security conference that the united states had studied the evidence of the investigative is a quote, we know about combat standards and there is no doubt that these are crimes against humanity, their actions are an encroachment on our common values, an encroachment on our common humanity , she said, legally, these categories are crimes against humanity, how do they differ from war crimes, war crimes have a close connection in relation to an armed conflict, crimes against humanity do not require such a connection , but are committed as part of a large-scale or systematic attack against the civilian population

hostilities are being waged and during these hostilities murder, rape, torture and other terrible things are committed, then these are war crimes if hostilities are not directly waged and the territory is occupied by the russian federation and the occupying power currently operating in this territory commits attacks against the civilian population, roughly speaking those the actions themselves, yes, the same, murder , torture, we are talking about the fact that these are crimes against humanity. the international criminal court has jurisdiction over war crimes and crimes against humanity, and the responsibility for these international crimes is more or less the same, but in our case, you see that we have all four international crimes. yes, we

also have war crimes, we have and crimes against humanity, we also have the crime of aggression. we may also have the crime of genocide, so here you see the russian federation is committing almost everything that is prohibited by international law, as a special possibility we have the crime of genocide with the crime of genocide, the difficulty of proving it, it should be directed specifically against the ethnic group, in our case, ukrainians , that is, the removal of children to the territory of the russian federation, to us, children living in the territory currently occupied by the russian federation, namely, ukrainians, are being removed is a defining requirement for proving

the crime of genocide, it is a very difficult process, we need to prove it, of course there is no doubt here, but it is extremely difficult. as they say, we need to get into our heads criminal and see this genocidal intention that he wants to destroy ukrainians as a nation. well, then at least he declared it on february 23 or 24. it is not known when this record was made . last year, about the denazification of ukraine, as he called it. roman is another important topic in ukraine today. day of the heroes of the heavenly hundred on february 20, we commemorate the feat of the participants of the revolution of dignity who died defending the ideals of democracy and the european future of ukraine. the heroes of the heavenly hundred 9 years ago showed courage and dedication, strength of spirit. and stability and influenced the course of history. from february 18 to 21, 2014, in the center of kyiv , security forces of the yanukovych regime shot peaceful

protesters during these four days, they killed 79 participants of the revolution of dignity. february 20 is considered a turning point in the course of the revolution of dignity, because during the next day, yanukovych fled from ukraine to russia, and so mr. roman and yanukovych, who is hiding in russia, and part of the golden eagles, they are still there, they received russian citizenship, some of them even came to fight in ukraine after our victory, what are the chances that we get these people so that they serve their punishment? when the russian federation will change the government that wants to return to the civilized world and restore the russian federation as a state, because now it is rather just a territory i hope that between

the authorities of ukraine and the new authorities of the russian federation, some negotiations will begin about our future coexistence, and it is necessary that one of the issues of these negotiations there was the extradition of those persons who are hiding in the territory of the russian federation. this issue is extremely important for ukraine. this issue is important for ukraine. well, one day we will have to talk about this. of legislation and ukrainian law enforcement agencies, the ukrainian judicial system can and should bring them to justice against certain individuals, we already have convictions against other

individuals, we will conduct a proper investigation ensuring their judicial guarantees, but they will all be punished for sure, mr. roman. thank you. roman is next, an international lawyer , associate professor, authors of international law at taras shevchenko kyiv national university. the first group of ukrainian rescuers returned from turkey for more than a week. our specialists helped turkish colleagues to search for people . under the rubble and eliminate the consequences of earthquakes and further quote despite the fact that ukraine itself is currently in the flames of war, we are ready to provide support to those in need in times of need wrote this of the head of the ministry of internal affairs of ukraine ihor klymenko, our colleague olena morozova is picking up the air. she already has an updated issue this morning olena , i congratulate you, friends. i congratulate everyone who joins the marathon at 5 o'clock