[000:00:00;00] to a number of such questions of e-e incorporation into ukrainian culture a-a we should e, well, if not immediately give a negative answer, then at least take e-e a certain quarantine pause, and i think that the quarantine pause is a wiser decision than e-e immediately without review to cross out all the names, this is a period that can last there for 5 or 10 years or 25 years, yes . and the time is enough for us to take our time and understand what truly ukrainian culture is now and then return to marginal phenomena and e give them a grade a-a from the position of well let's say the core of a certain which we protected which we clearly outlined and said it is we we live on the basis of such now let's say on the basis of pluralism yes or on

the basis of there a-a cultural er-e there monoculturality of some so ethno ethno ethno-cultural homogeneity of some as we will come to these principles as a result of the dialogue and i am definitely in favor of polyphonicism for the polyphonic nature of ukrainian culture, but still on the basis of respect for its sovereignty and the right of the ukrainian people to self-determination. by the way, hmm no it is always possible to attribute to mykhailo bulgakov. as far as i understand it, this respect for the owner has not been observed . i heard your opinion about the need for a quarantine pause, for example, regarding the figure of bulgakov, but we see that now the scars of the war are so painful for ukrainians that society

does not want to wait and does not want of these quarantine pauses , now all over the country we are observing even the spontaneous dismantling of pushkin monuments pushkinopad how do you feel about this, well, in this case, there are no doubts that pushkin may also be a great poet there, but for now let his greatness be outlined there within the framework of russia and the department of slavic studies somewhere in the west where they continue to sing odek to present clothes to pushkin and other russian classics. i think that in this case it is absolutely legitimate because pushkin is present in it was so massive in ukraine not because ukrainians were so fanatical about pushkin, because it was pushkin who was a symbol of the imperial presence and the cultural presence, and you could see it on

the footage from the occupied territories with kherson oblast where as soon as the occupiers came, they plastered over ukrainian, including images of pushkin, that is, pushkin continues to be this a-a cultural weapon that legitimizes, which seems to confirm that russia was here, it has some rights to these territories, and that ukrainians themselves simply do not understand and what does this pushkin mean? but the real masters will come and they will finally honor pushkin properly. now is the time for tolerance. when another comes to you with weapons, when another destroys you, and when another he uses your readiness for a peaceful dialogue, just like your weakness, then you need to take up arms , of course, the weapon of the writer is primarily

his works, we know that the war, if it didn't sound harsh, pushed uh, many great authors to their great novels , we will remember there, i don’t know, hemingway remarque on the western front without changes and will we wait for a tyrant? what can we expect from ukrainian literature in response to the war that

is still going on and about myself? no less powerful works will appear in ukraine that can be compared with the great names of this broken european generation and remarque and hemingway, but our generation will no longer be broken, it will be different literature, it will be a different tonality and it will be these novels will be asking problematic questions for europe for the western world. how did it happen? and i think that these will be painful but strong texts. another question. when will they start to appear, and i think that in order for really strong texts to begin to be written, a certain time must pass . that is, i i am not a fan of those lightning-fast reactions to the war that may appear there when, that is, one should not hope that really strong novels will

appear a-a immediately in the first months , i think that one of the reasons why it has to pass a certain time not only so that we a-ah well reflected on all this, of course, understood it themselves , but also in order to give the opportunity to be the first to speak to those people who, uh, who saw it , who lived it directly, this is probably ethics. who saw bucha themselves, who themselves passed through irpin, for example, and through mariupol, let's talk a little about your personal experience. during this war, we will take february 24 as a reference point. were you ready for a full-scale invasion or did you have

an alarming suitcase, where were you in general, where did you meet the beginning of a full-scale invasion, i was in kyiv with my wife on the street of the writer sholom aleichem and for me it was uh, well, the first minutes it was a certain shock, but the shock and this shock was not so deep how i how i thought he could be i didn't believe that uh this uh war could start in this way ah my wife and i decided to stay in kyiv uh we bought certain products and what's interesting well , i remember the first day, everyone needed something those people who stayed in kyiv, and there was a need to do some deed that would prove that you are not afraid, that you continue to be. i personally washed the windows. my wife decided to change the water in the aquarium, it

seems very strange now, such actions were so, but this absolutely after you figured out where the storage room is closest to the house. you go and you have an aquarium. and even though we didn't sleep in the literal sense, well, that is, we didn't, we didn't , we slept as usual. it will be at night because they were afraid of shelling, but somehow these were the first steps to get grounded and continue eh well, these are the first first five days and these were attempts to somehow get involved in what is happening and hmm i made a decision not to join eh to tereo i realized that i need to stay in my position as a writer now as a volunteer. hmmm, and that's why i tried to partly help with housing for my colleagues and partly

to help as a medical worker. and invitation to mobilization how will you act i will definitely go i will definitely go and uh i am a fatalist in this sense and i believe that right now i am more effective ah in the field in which i am uh this is my conscious decision it was not easy for me, but i am responsible for it, but when a summons comes to me and i direct it, it’s like, well, it’s probably a sign that my role here is over and i need to move on and do something. and what is expected of me

in the future p lubomyr, for this almost a year, it is a large-scale invasion, you are something they wrote a good question for a writer, and i wrote a certain amount of non-fiction and a little bit of fiction, but it’s not surprising , uh, to a greater extent, what i did was uh, teaching work, and before the invasion, uh, i was engaged in, well, let’s call it teaching, so and i am a teacher of literary skills in several literary schools in ukraine, but right now, starting in may of the 22nd year, i saw a special, special request to learn to write because the

number of students who registered in schools of literature, it suddenly turned out to be twice as large as usual, that is, when we talk on the one hand that the economy is in crisis and we see, well, it is really so, but on the other hand, hmm, people felt the need to speak out and a lot of people appeared who realized that they have a certain experience that they really need to share, and starting from may of the 22nd year, i conducted it is difficult for me to say how many dozens of lectures, and not lyubimer , you teach writing, i have a question, who will read all this, uh, there is a two-year study it seems ancient how many books ukrainians have read, a third of ukrainians 30%. they haven't read a single book in a year, a third is still a very good result, you know why they haven't read it, it's not because they don't have money and books are too

expensive because there's no need to read as a habit , there's no desire what to do with it, who do writers actually work for, uh, they work for their readers, and these readers exist, and i may surprise you, but at the beginning of this year , a large study was published that analyzed the state of the book market in ukraine and abroad amazing trends during the time of the invasion, the market not only a-a came to its senses, it recovered and it went to a-a to military indicators with trends to er adult, this indicates that books a-a are being bought , and even more actively than before

war because the book is now becoming a symbol of the ukrainian resistance because through the book i can feel better about myself to the ukrainians, i can feel that i am more rooted in the ukrainian a-a space because the ukrainian space is not a sausage at 2.20 it is not not what is possible to take and to something to touch yes, we are fighting not only for those things that can be eaten or that you can have in your hands, this is something that the russians could not understand. they think in terms of concrete things at the price of a sausage, it is possible and it would really be better to pretend like this and get this sausage there but we are fighting, after all , not for a sausage, we are fighting for certain invisible er values, for which exactly formulate as

a writer what we are for now we are definitely fighting that two words have become uh, we are fighting for freedom and for dignity. and this is the first thing that we suddenly outline ourselves. we can list some other things. connections a-a or for example e-e hmm e-e defend some european values ​​or western values ​​there such as e-e legitimacy of democracy a-a yes we can continue to name such e-e such things but first of all i i think there are three things: freedom, dignity, and rootedness in the history of ukraine. well , how exactly, like the history of this territory, they formed some kind of triangle within

which it fits . the episodes of this war impressed you as a writer, the most you watch the picture and well, i imagine that you at least think to yourself that this is it there ready-made novel , this is possible, the movie is so dramatic, everything happens so dramatically, what real episodes did you remember during this year well, i think that in first of all, this is the feat of mariupol, this is azovstal, and the whole story is connected with the azov regiment, with mariupol, with the defenders of mariupol, let's say, with the history of azovstal , well, this is the myth of the newest ukrainian

, which is itself created and which seems to me to have no analogues, so in what kind of completeness, in its perfection, it is already completely ready, just like, like, the myth of prometheus, so it also enters. and i digress, and here is all this accompanying history connected with cities and the towns around kyiv and the history of the defense of kyiv is the second second story. well, the third is the third landmark thing that also seems to me to be very well worth a separate chapter or a separate book - this is a story, a story without light, this is the story of our darkness, when we meet, when we how how the nation suddenly met the darkness and

in this darkness we managed to shine the light when suddenly in the midst of this darkness you found that flower shops and coffee shops are working when hospitals and television studios are working when lectures continue in universities and in literary schools, for example, when it suddenly became clear that not even the darkness is capable of subduing our dignity, it is not capable of breaking us, and from this darkness, it seems to me, a new understanding of ourselves has grown, why did i ask you about it, and all these milestones important. and all these features are painful on the body of ukraine during the war. they will later become our latest history , become our epic, become our novels

, become the basis for some important cultural things, to which narratives of the new ukrainian spirit we go, the sense of sacrifice the feeling of being a driven animal, i don't know how, the force of history somehow happened like that, er, evil neighbor or something else, it seems to me that we will be pulling out of ourselves for a very long time and only victory will put the last, well, put the last point in this uh, well, let's say yes, in the geopolitical dimension, the dimension of this ukrainian feeling of some kind of deprivation, but that's why when i listed these topics for the romanovs, i didn't mention the history of, let's say, the kharkiv operation or the liberation of kherson, because it seems to me that these are the stories that still exist

are ongoing and which ones should be completed and brought to the end. although i am sure kharkiv residents could tell a lot about their city, chernihiv residents about their city , sumy residents, about their sumy residents, about their city, and so on, but we are still in the process and we have understand that nothing is over yet and everything is yet to come, but already this sense of sacrifice is beginning to recede to a large extent. how do you see ukraine after the victory? i am sure that when ukraine fully recovers after the war, it will be a pan-european leader, that is, it will enter this resort of leaders because the very idea europe's consonance with the idea of ​​ukraine. because ukraine is what we saw, it is networking and the idea of ​​the european union. in fact, it is also the idea of ​​uh , worthy equals or equal worthy of each other, the idea

of ​​brotherhood, and ukraine does not need to become a leader over everyone, but to enter into this brotherhood and bring this brotherhood to renew this brotherhood with its understanding of the values ​​of fairness and so on and so on . and then already in the family there is a new freedom, yes , then the european or wider western world , renewed, can offer some better prospects for the world community in general thank you for such a beautiful vision and at the very end i will ask you as a citizen of ukraine we love rather how you plan to celebrate the day of our victory when it is finally declared what exactly you will do on this day . in your opinion visually it will have to be somehow

separated if i in kyiv, if i am alive at that time and everything will be fine, i think that i will be together with all other ukrainians on the maidan in kyiv, then we will meet there. see you on the maidan. i am grateful for your position. thank you, anastasia. grateful for that you hold the literary front and we are all waiting for your new works . thank you. see you. thank you. this was the my story program . and today we listened to the story of a writer who loves to live in ukraine. we must protect her with soap. protect

ours. we chose our country. she chose us. we value brotherhood, we protect our own. glory to the brave . glory to the territorial defense forces of the armed forces of ukraine. tell me honestly. what do you think ? i started running because i understand that i somehow need to let go, it becomes easier, focus on your feet, feel how firmly they stand on the surface of the earth or the floor, if it is

convenient, take off your shoes, feel the force of gravity, imagine that your feet are powerful roots that grow deep into the soil or that it is a solid foundation of a reliable house, a tower or a fortress , concentrate on the sensations, breathing, thoughts , soon you will feel relief, add this technique to your self-help kit, more here under the bombs on azovstalia decreased and we just came to terms with the fact that we will remain there in captivity, they said that your child will remain in the territory of russia, then it will never be proven that it is your child in the occupation, i was in the last months of pregnancy without doctors, water and light , and you understand that you cannot do anything

when the enemy i sowed death, they gave life, i constantly talked to my tummy, you and i are strong and we will hold on until the end documentary film when life is stronger

tomorrow 9:30 p.m. courage is when you don't think it's scary or not, it's something that everyone has we are ukrainians, we are all the same, we are one nation, we are working towards one goal and we have only one goal - to defeat evil, life and death, fear and courage, what is a feat and why is it worth risking to give your life to everyone, this is quite a strong act, because not everyone can do it to ask difficult questions to which not every adult has an answer, we talk to boys who are 16-17 years old, a student of the 11th grade named glib, his friends, students, first-year students andrii anton viktor i believe that to give one's life for someone

is to provide future for for those for whom it is expedient, we chat in the gazebo of the kindergarten where a terrible tragedy happened a month ago, the sound of a helicopter was like that, the fog looked up , nothing was visible, well, it was like that, and then all of a sudden, i turn around and they run from the kindergarten, and that's it, and he flew very close to the entrance people were running, of course, children were being carried in the arms of their parents, just as the children were coming to the big school, you could immediately see the smoke and, well, fuel, such a pungent smell, some were running out in tights, some were barefoot , some were just wearing t-shirts, and it was

cold outside, there was a very strong fog, low visibility well here it's just , well here i think it's the real hell that could have been which belongs to the state service for emergency situations, there were nine people among them the leadership of the ministry of internal affairs among the dead, minister of internal affairs denys monastyrskyi his first deputy yevhen yenin, state secretary yurii lobkovich, members of the operational group and the crew

later in the news, shocking statistics will be published, the disaster took the lives of 14 people in total, 25 more were injured, about half of the victims were children, children's legs, one body, or let me remind you, there was also euphoria , also in adrenaline, you run on the second floor , it seems that two bodies were found, they found the whole of the dead at the scene of the disasters, there is nothing professional rescuer roman yura admits that there are more terrible things, especially when it comes to those who are just starting to live. at the scene of the tragedy, aviation kerosene was spilled and there was a fire, who knows how many more people could would have suffered if it were not for the courage of those who at the right moment happened to be nearby, through these windows that are now being sewn up with wooden plates , in the first minutes of the tragedy, the children were handed over from the flames to the boys who were the first to come to

help . there were no people at all thanks to the local residents and the teachers. also there were 14 schoolboys, students, also a schoolboy, four very young boys, they were among those who did not get scared and did not make a mistake, they were just somewhere there, they saw it everything and immediately rushed to the aid of the children, the teachers pulled the children out of the kindergarten itself, because as far as i heard, the children there were used to being thrown out, well, they handed over their hands to the second. thank you very much, they worked perfectly, all the children were completely pulled out . there was no alarm on the phone. my dad had already started to get to work and then i heard from the windows

a sound like not an explosion but more of a blow. it started to smell like something, something, slippers. well, my house is 600 m away. from here and all the way to this place, nothing could be seen, and it was very difficult to tremble. it was very difficult to see the fire. you can hear the screams of children, mothers . everyone must go to help. how exactly does a sensor turn on in a person's mind so that, despite the numerous risks, it pushes to be there where the trouble happened? this question can probably to become the subject of research by psychologists and scientists, but then this sensor worked for anton viktor gleb and andrii after the first impact. my father jumped out of the apartment 15 seconds later, he was already in the middle of the kindergarten with two by the police, my mother is near the fence on the other side, and when she comes out, she has already started handing over the children. my frightened children had to be taken as far away from