[000:00:00;00] the armed forces of russia also have a security guard company in which, in my opinion, there are currently 7 million physically healthy men who are in the match today, veterans of the special service or the armed forces or the police, so the oligarchs still have their own potential are considered to be the guardians of their business, but when it comes to riots, they will use it, although i will say that when we are waiting for a riot in russia, that is, it is already underway , we see fires in russia and this is technology. such wood processing and other industries simply do not exist, that is, the game is being played on the deterioration of the position of both regional business

and the central government, and this climate change is, well, in contrast to our opinion that weapons war, this conflict in ukraine, uh, the war against ukraine weakens uh, inside russia, in fact, uh , regional elites fire those who potentially uh, can be included in the soil, but they keep their pocket armies to control the territories, this is all happening differently, but it is actually formative this model actually forms not just a confederal perspective, but it is possible in fact such an optimization for the complete atomization of russia, there, apart from the railway , the electricity network, and, well, television , the ruble, and other scraps do not exist, and

regional unions can all very quickly to take over electricity and railways and the ruble and even a media resource. i am now, maxim, in my opinion, uh, one of them is lost now , and i already have it, but before i do, maxim , i want to ask, i want to show you the book. this is it it's not an advertisement. it's just that i advise anyone to have the opportunity to read it, because it is very important to understand the enemy, and for the enemies to understand his current state, not the same enemy as he was under nicholas ii, but what he is now , author janusz bugajskyi, it's an unsustainable state, instructions for unwinding incidentally, the experience of russia in the russian-ukrainian war has already been mentioned here, and i will not cite a single quote from the annotation to this book , but the attempt to turn the russian federation into a national state, a civil state or a stable imperial state failed. its current structure is based on a fragile historical foundation, there is no single national identity, civil, non-ethnic, it constantly demonstrates the struggle

of internationalists and so on, the war of russia against ukraine will speed up the process of dismemberment of the state. because in reality, we do not know to a greater extent, and even the experts who talk about this do not even more so legally abroad, they do not fully know what today's russia really is, and very often people look with horror and surprise at the beauty of his gang and his statements and think that this cannot be the case somehow, this is modern russia, it is like that, and adding to what mr. volodymyr told me on the air for a few weeks is that until now there is no understanding of how many people in russia, or 140 million, as you said, mr. volodymyr, 80 years ago i have a lot of questions for you. maksym po prigozhin. if we talk about him as a phenomenon as a person in this strange modern russia, would he have suited the role of such a person so many times who would have managed to accumulate the resources of these or other groups and try to fight for the throne i do not

i say that it will be better for ukraine prigozhyn on the throne in moscow, but it will definitely be chaos in russia, please eh i completely agree that eh prigozhyn is not eh an independent eh outside the system spontaneous player eh before prigozhin became known as the owner or leader, today he already looks a little like the commander of this so-called chvk, which for some reason uses the weapons of the russian armed forces, those groups of the armed wagner, the so-called wagner , by the way, this is the call sign of the duck, which actually is the founder of this combat group . well

, he was a handsome man before he became a leader in public opinion. did he create such a pr for himself as the leader of a worm? which would have been absolutely impossible if he had not been deeply integrated into all these corrupt and corporate ties that today define the face of putin's regime, so it is clear that prigozhin is not an independent figure, he is, so to speak the resulting vector e-e of that one the policy of the kremlin, which he implements, first of all

, focusing on his own internal interests and internal needs. that is, prigozhin is such an ideological construction and pr pr and image projection that everyone imagines political technologists, led by kirienko, it’s crazy, medvedev is sitting somewhere nearby , and in fact, they are developing all these so-called meta technologies that construct parallel realities. here they decided that such a character as prigozhin, he would speaking for today falls on the best this e-e line of e-e behavior that the cream chose for itself, i.e. a certain degree of chaos, a certain degree of wildness in the e-e russian public space , i.e. a rejection of rationality as such as a fundamental thing and e-e a search for some bright, vivid images, bright, unambiguous messages

he performs this function, he produces it according to this. in my opinion , there is no stand-alone project. but this does not mean that it will not be used in some more complex combinations, that is, when this conflict is already an obvious conflict between er system politicians and some new wave er so to speak people from the street er carefully selected and carefully cultivated er russian special services this is the conflict it will obviously be on time in the near future forgive the tautology and the wife maybe in this scenario some will be highlighted, but the fact that he will not be the new ragin and the fact that he will not be the new pugachev and whether he will be the new lenin or i don’t know what kind of uh-uh, you definitely know this. i

remember such a character. they won't remember, but general rowling was quite a strong person, popular in the army, popular among the people , well, he's kind of uh , he can be connected to a certain one, well, he can be compared with heroes, well, a historical character. i will remember on c well, which one in tsarist russia, yes, do you remember? well, the swan. the swan, the truth is that he got caught there because of the snags. which helicopter did he fall? rokhlin was simply shot and said that it was his wife who did it. well, i suspect that for years he wanted to make a military coup, that is, such characters, but they were strong people, er, structured with military training, with a military mindset, and who, all the same , they did not manage to achieve anything in the russian army , now we still have two more characters, on the turn, about which we will talk briefly. well, i

want to be shorter to mention the statement of navalny, who from the prison uh, how did his comrades from the prison write uh, he called and said that it would be good, he even says what else we should do, writes navalny uh, but he says nothing, we just have to go back to the international recognized borders in the 91st year of ukraine, how were the internationally recognized borders of the russian federation and to return to these borders to pay reparations to ukraine, but before that it is necessary to unblock and remove sanctions from russia so that it can pay reparations to ukraine from its oil and gas dollars, we must live on, this is the vision of the future of oleksiy navalny and here they are already talking about what this means: the second tower of the kremlin has been activated. so , he is also trying to send his messages to your opinion, volodymyr, and it is clear that navalny is not even similar at the moment to, although again, who i saw it in the case of an inanimate person. maybe somewhere it is similar. although from those pictures that i am, and in your opinion, what role can this person play, a person who, in principle, is not free

now ? it is actually not related to the date of the beginning of the special military campaign, i.e. aggression against ukraine, it is related to the fact that china is starting to put pressure on russia and is expressing itself on the subject of preservation. peace negotiations on the basis of the statute, therefore, on the one hand, the cream launched a mass campaign with the idea of ​​reparations and returning to the borders with the aim of mobilizing all, let's say, unburnt turbopatriots, and this is such a mobilizing cry, on the one hand, and on the other hand, they probe the mood. how does the population perceive will accept the idea of ​​returning to the border in 1991 on a fish. of course, reparations will have to be adjusted so that

they will not be called reparations. but if it will help to keep russia within the borders of er, well , the borders that existed in 1991, because here is the question it is no longer the restoration of the territorial integrity of ukraine, the question is the existence within the borders of russia itself, which is torn both internally and externally. maksym how do you assess the prospects of appearing on the political map in reality, not from prison, but in reality, but in bulk, and again, is it possible to speak about perhaps some independence of this person, who, i think, has lost many supporters now, not because she has become different . navalny is meant. now he is ready to give crimea away, so i don't think that his supporters have disappeared just now, this is the hysteria that is caused by the war in russia, cheers, patriotism for patriotism and so on. well, i think that his supporters have definitely left somewhere in the direction

of the armenian, georgian and estonian borders. in the times when the russians were actively running away from mobilization, please, mr. maksym. yes, i also think that this last statement took place against the background of, well, let's say a decrease in the capitalization of the bulk project as such, that is, hardly navalny can already be considered as a serious political figure in the near future and most likely i am connected with his significant controllability and the fact that it is similar to what is behind his back and actually this message was formulated by some influential groups er, in the russian elite, who cannot express such things themselves

, but use navalnoy , so to speak, as an informational excuse, because , to be honest, they expect some kind of messages from him , well, at least some part of russia 's russian population. to mean er as an indicator, this indicates that russia is looking for a way out russia in the person of the kremlin russia in the person of er is closer to the closest circle of the remote control but also russia in the person of various pan-ilitarian groups are looking for this way out , so to speak, looking for an option in which it would be possible to survive and uh navalny at the moment at the moment uh plays the same official role as prigozhin and throws in some messages forms some uh images that , so to speak, perform a purely technological

role uh russia must leave this situation er china yes, this is a very important factor and very er what will be the message of er finn er at er regular meeting of the un general assembly scheduled for february 24, as you know, china announced its own peace plan er he er, so to speak, the west continues to accuse america of igniting a war in ukraine, but china, at the same time, consistently emphasizes those principles of international law that russia has obviously violated . therefore, of course, the solution can er, so to speak, be

programmed already in those who perform all squealing, but this could be another chinese warning, i.e. some kind of statement of abstract principles of abstract theses. and then everything , so to speak, hangs again on an uncertain perspective and the warlock returns it to the prison cell again and will not say anything , you know. i think that in china too by the way, i would like to remind you that china has a huge turnover with the european union and in general with nato member countries, including the united states of america, therefore it is more profitable for china to make friends, at least let it be cold and cold friendship, but friendship from europe and the usa because actually it is money for china trade with russia there is maximum import from china to russia minimum export well minimum import from russia to china that is why here the story here is simply about money but i think that if drinking is actually so please, please, mr. maksym. if i may, this is one second short remark

on this matter, uh, you know. well , it was completely unprofitable for russia to attack ukraine uh, a year ago, and it was clear to everyone. but putin made this decision because he has to to preserve power, these actions also want to preserve power, he also wants to be some kind of eternal ruler, therefore , our predictions are rational, they can sometimes not come true, you know, just like maus zadun was looking for the energy of eternal life, and by the way, in genghis khan, all rulers for some reason they wanted to live forever and i think that they should rule forever but i think that it is logical everyone understands that despite the huge losses that you can know ukraine and russia are in living gray in fact, it is unlikely that this will significantly change the map of hostilities. well, only we hope for a ukrainian counteroffensive of the strengthening of mobilized weapons, mobilized scientists will be able to achieve results with these weapons in one or another direction on the fronts, but in any case, everyone understands

that it is necessary to think about the new the world that is emerging today from the flames of this war, this war, i will only briefly say that the prime minister of italy, george malloni, arrived in kyiv, visits irpin and bucha. this is another important visit to our state, our partner country of the italian republic and we will talk about one more in person. as they say, kadyrov and ramzana akhmatovich kadyrov are the 46-year-old president of the chechen republic , which was occupied by the russian federation. well, this statement does not concern his creation of his pvk, but it is important to hear, please , all these cities that are there, all of them there, eh

, places where they don’t see anyone , you know, the thing is that the radio also praises kadyrova well, he doesn't remember if he was once at a gas station in buchach or in irpin, he was there somewhere, well, he was there once, he wrote a video in march of last year , and well, do you remember that skabeeva is standing in front of him , they called her i so i understand grozny stands in front of them and nods his head, the pack said the punctuation she said what kind of ukraine we only need something here and there and everything and ukraine will not be and i said solovyov in the story. well, the same with his 20% . but kadyrov said that when he will stop engage in political affairs and, so to speak, understand society and the federation with all your heart. he plans to create his own private army. as far as i understand, there is currently no such flow of kadyrivs to the ukrainian war as it was before. and they send these temporarily mobilized and prisoners to the front lines, but they do not particularly take

part in assault actions and certainly do not freeze there at ground zero somewhere in the trenches, please, mr. volodymyr, this person comes to you how do you assess the prospects of his battle for the moscow throne well, he is absolutely not an independent figure, you have to understand that the economy , er, mr. volodymyr has disappeared, in his place there is an inscription varnish on espresso, so let's wait literally a second, maxim, i will then address this question to you a. p. volodymyr, what will appear then in the artery and he will voice his opinion to us. i hope that the light is not turned off there . volodymyr tsibuluk. i understand that he is somewhere among the beets, and this may happen . it is possible that he will turn off the light, although the light has not gone out in ukraine for a long time, well, at least on most of the territory controlled by ukraine would place the occupied territories there, the issues of the world today ukrenergo cannot regulate in any way. so, maxime regarding the prospects of a battle or campaign for

the moscow throne in the performance of ramzan kadyrov and his army, which we have and so i am his guard we understand this very well, but he wants to create another private military company. maxim, please. if you hear and see me, it is also obvious that he is not an independent figure, but he is, er, quite an ambitious man, it is visible in everything and it is possible that in this sense he is a threat to the kremlin or to a certain part of the russian elites, perhaps a much greater threat than navalny himself or handsome , but of course this is not a state threat , it is not a political alternative for russia and

this is some kind of robber bandit threat that uh, which, so to speak, looms over uh, the russian elite and which is used by the kremlin. by the way, kadyrov . as you have noticed during the last six months or so, the uh activity, media presence, and it is obvious that this also depended on the technological solutions in putin's headquarters, eh, they must have decided that such a character, eh, harms the image of the russian government, and actually, eh, the image of the russian state or the russian idea, because it really an odious character for everyone, not only for people with a liberal worldview, but also for e russian nationalists, for example, and statesmen from the same e-e general staff about-

a lot is written about it, a lot is said that kadyrov is not liked there very much, that's why hmm the fact that today kadyrov appears somewhere again and with such uh ideas uh , it's not surprising, but the investigator also marginalizes him and the official role of a private military company well, what can this indicate today it is known that , for example, shoigu is creating a private military company. gazprom is creating a private military company , that is , kadyrov is already . that is, so to speak, the messages that are on today

today, somewhere on the time on uh, on hearing, he was told by the eyes of his nukers, they can be called a private military company, but it is obvious that uh, it is such a private military company. such a marginal role in russian politics and simply to this day is fighting for er, well actually that feudal er piece of the er pie that he currently has, but of course kadyrov hm is possible to a greater extent than any of these er e characters has spare airfields, i.e. he of course, he maintains ties with the arab east . he should

, so to speak, receive support from the countries of the persian gulf or the arabian gulf, as the arabs call them. in moscow, like other characters in our history. well, i think that he is definitely not opposed to controlling the north caucasus in general, which is part of the russian federation, there we are talking about dagestan and the incushites, all these peoples. i think that kadyrov would be like that i don't know if there is a caliph there, from time to time we have literally 6 seconds out of the full minutes, i will tell you the information and then i will ask you briefly and comment . putin well, of course we are talking about strategic weapons, we are talking about strategic missiles , we understand that we are talking about automatic weapons and t-90 tanks. comment on this statement by putin, is it such a scarecrow? is it true? they will now change something in their pck, please. well, first of all

, the fact that skabeeva returned to the all-russian field, eh, kadyrov, means that the gift was hinted at, that he will sit on the uvva in the gas next to putin. his maneuvers in recent weeks er trying to lead a post-putin ichkeria is unlikely to succeed so he announced the creation of a private military campaign and he expects to emigrate somewhere in the arab world and protect the oil fields there with with his nukers, that is, he is a signal to his nukers that all those who went through the war in ukraine will not sit on the bench and he will take them somewhere to the arab world. it is clear that his place is human and will not be putin's. the fact is that he will not become the caliph of the north caucasus he will be able to because intellectually he has a lot of heavy objects, so to speak, 120,000

trained light infantrymen, but in terms of intellectual potential and capabilities, he is the same dagestan, he is simply four times more than the points and dagestan he will not allow himself to be paraded around, so to speak, that's why kadyrov has a very sad prospect if the arabs at the request of ukraine, suddenly, a request from ukraine will appear , they will hand him over to ukraine, and literally for a minute and a half i i would like to ask you to comment on putin's statement russia is suspending its participation in the treaty on strategic offensive weapons i understand that they will now have something to do with the new governors and sarmatians maxim i think that this is some kind of information dump and i would attribute it to so to speak

of a personal fact the fact is that next to putin there is a less public but much more influential character, nikolai patroshev, who has long been toying with the idea of ​​a nuclear confrontation with america from the west. klienia patrusheva about his word, somewhere in this kremlin field, it turned out to be the first place, mr. volodymyr. and what do you think? yes, this is this, this is the response to the business card of the bide to kyiv. the fact is that this is an agreement called two servers and exit from e- well agreements on strategic offensive weapons. this is simply a weak response to biden’s visit to kyiv. it is considered that this is sensitive information for the americans. well, the americans will, so to speak, put a bird and then

a cross . thoughts about the fact that unexpected things happen in russia, as a man wrote just so that in the dark he would be in the head, what kind of blazhkolomiya ottudovany vybyesh ny vybyesh ni for chto not because of his poems, the communards live well, that's why , well, in principle, some man can be happy and russia, in principle, i say once again that russia for ukrainians has not been studied with the world, and even more so russia, which is now in its uh , as they say, continuous ten, it is well, in your long time, what is it like now, it is very, very it's mysterious, so we'll see how it can all happen in any case, and my people must do their job, and it seems to me that the death of the gods. how is it? the death of the gods or the death of the empire is already quite close in russia. i thank you very much that you joined thank you for a professional, intellectual and interesting conversation maksym, the intelligent political expert, was with us. thank you, mr. maksym and volodymyr syborko, political expert , people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation, poet, public figure , we have a few minutes left, i want

to urge you once again to read literature . of my good friend volodymyr ogryzka, he showed me this book jamestown fundage insolvent state instructions for unraveling has already spoken russia yana zhbugalsky this is such a book if if you want, you can order it to read, it’s there for a few hundred thousand, e-e. how many minutes, a few thousand, a few hundred hryvnias is it worth, well, 400 or so hryvnias, but i’m always interested in such things because it’s a study of people, just as i once read a book by volodymyr ogryzka about how to disintegrate russia by the way, this is the presentation of this book. volodymyr invited me. i was there with my wife. it was in kyiv and it happened. literally a few weeks later, it was january. it was a few weeks before russia made a full-scale invasion of ukraine and we then sat at this presentation and talked about the collapse of russia as if it had to happen a long time ago, but volodymyr hryshko, he understood very well that it could happen faster and

that russia is beginning to get the impression that it wants to speed up its disintegration. why is this book interesting? i just received it and today i looked at the content , there is a lot about the demographic state of russia, about anti-federal offensives, economic ingredients, ethnic dimensions, reviving communities, it is necessary to be, you know, i understood that we must be smart and always try to be smart is important that's why thank you for being with us my dear friends and dear friends e-e subscribe like comment us on instagram twitter telegram facebook support us on the youtube platform we will become better only thanks to you and through your criticism, comments and support of course we want and the support of ikritka is important for us, we are ready to grow, change and, er, do our work better, better and better, and together we can come to our victory. well , just now, the broadcast continues, colleague serhiy rudenko, the program, the verdict, and serhiy, welcome laska. congratulations to vasyl. literally in a few seconds