[000:00:00;00] thank you, mr. zhan zhan beleniuk, people's deputy of ukraine, deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on youth and sports, worked live espresso generators for the current hour you have dropped another 10,000, this is a very good result and we can completely complete this collection about 12,000 and the matter is resolved, as they say. so join the collection in your corner on the screens you will see a qr-code by which you can make a donation well, intin and i say goodbye to you like this literally in half an hour you will go to the tv channel espresso will broadcast another historic speech of president joseph biden, this time from warsaw at 18:30 watch espresso president biden will speak at me this serhiy

rudenko glory to ukraine this is a verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today february 21, 363 the day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers of poland , biden's speech in warsaw is expected today, which is already being called historic, although yesterday was the historic arrival of joseph biden to kyiv meanwhile, putin is thundering with nuclear weapons again, the president of the russian federation has just announced in his annual message to the federal assembly that russia is suspending participation in the treaty on strategic and offensive weapons, obviously now biden will answer in his speech to putin what this means for the united states of america and the world meanwhile, ukraine is waiting for help from western allies, and the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and

equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of february 21 , russia has already lost 14,440 people in ukraine only in the last day, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 760 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3326 tanks , 6562 armored combat vehicles, 2,338 artillery systems, four s-471 rocket systems, a hall of fire, 243 air defense systems, 299 aircraft, 287 helicopters, 5,210 units of automotive equipment 18 ships, boats, 873 cruise missiles, 2,023 drones, 226 units of special equipment, putin's lying speech before the federal assembly, biden is making history, and china is hesitant to join him

russian-ukrainian war or not. we will talk about all this for the next hour. i want to introduce today's guest - he is a politician-diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019 pavlo klimkin mr. pavla good day, good health to you and i am glad that you are with us today congratulations, mr. serhiy. congratulations to all my friends and let's play be with you . let's start with the current one . putin just finished his speech in front of the federal assembly and the most important thing is what he said afterwards that russia is suspending participation in treaty on strategic offensive weapons and he thundered nuclear weapons today, he accused ukrainian punitives and neo-nazis, as he said and rebuked the united states of america that they want to change

the world order that existed after the second world war, you listened to putin, i watched the guilty tape, uh, i'm listening well in principle, we don't want to spoil the morning like that, but if it's serious, i had a meeting with german friends, so i didn't have time, but i watched in detail what he said and also watched some scraps , so for me he didn't say anything new there and that's what they say from their nothing. what i paid attention to was that he was more radical than , er, during the previous victories, he spoke in the same words, but the tone was chosen deliberately more radical, as for arms control, that's how they spoiled and

completely destroyed yours. they started with treaty on conventional armed forces in europe and then they finished the entire regime of super-armament control. and as for strategic weapons, yes, they did not go to the meeting, they did not allow inspections , the americans did not just say that in fact russia is already fundamentally violating the treaty, so here, as far as i'm concerned, nothing new, but pay attention to its key signals. he repeated his argument about the fact that ukraine is a project that the west has been developing since the 19th century. well, just imagine the depth. he has a conspiracy theory about the west that goes back a century, that is, there are people who believe there is something wrong, they have martians, there are

people who believe there with kavid something. and putin , it is real that the west has stood for hundreds of years and is somehow trying to destroy russia and it's not for nothing that he never used us either as a nation or as a country, or as those who have their own history, you don't know, if he thinks that we started to build in the 19th century, then i don't understand. and the cossacks, who are they, probably some russian cossacks, khmelnytskyi ours well, in general, my students know uh, i’m not talking about early history anymore, but the graffiti on the holiday and sofia, what language are they written in old ukrainian , it’s written

in old ukrainian, it’s not our statement. sitting like this obsessive i would say he made her to himself, he looks at her, drew a picture, hung her, he won't get off this, what else did i pay attention to, he 's trying to somehow uh-uh jump everyone up uh-uh, spur them on there in what will be the consolidation he he says a factory built there is a victory, a kindergarten built, a small business built is a victory , and i think that here he is deliberately trying to probe the russian population, i won't say society, and wants to return uh all his

logic to the second world war and so to speak we unite, we move forward, but it actually sounds somewhat tragicomic, that's it. actually, that's what i heard from what i read the text. well, actually, i'll try again to listen to it. well, it's not very pleasant, but it's actually a professional obligation, you know. there was a mix, i re-listened to putin's speech, rather i listened to him live as he spoke, it was some kind of mix of brezhnev and andropov and maybe early stalin well, roughly, somewhere like this mix at the beginning, putin started talking about determining the time, he says that now is the time the herald of drastic changes in the world that affect the future of russia, let's hear what putin said with

today's message, i am speaking in a difficult we know everything about it well, rubezhnoe for our country, time in the period of cardinal irreversible changes in the whole world, your most important historical events that determine the future of our country and of our people, i want to repeat it , they started the war, and we used force and we use it to stop it, this is the thesis that putin constantly repeats that it was they who started the war, well, it does not even mean ukraine because he constantly refers to the fact that the west and the united states of america have been leading the master of the kremlin by the nose since 2014 with the minsk agreements. you were witnesses of these difficult negotiations in 2014-2015 and until

2019 as foreign ministers . putin's rhetoric is out of public space, it is clear that now he considers all of us punishers, not nazis . well, different people there are called ugly people. he considers all ukrainians to be um, so in communication at that time, was it felt from the side of the russian federation and why do they constantly say that they were driven by zanis? and i don't think mr. serhiy that he considers us nazis, but he 's not a complete idiot anymore. we are third-class people who have to simply obey moscow, look at what was happening there a few weeks before this message, everyone

was just speculating, and what will putin say to us? this how does it differ from what stalin actually said, this is the absolute logic of the pyramids, they are built on this, they are mostly happy with this logic. pay attention to the last interview of uh macron, which he gave on the way back from the minsk munich conference on security issues. it is actually a lot what is reflected in such a standard view of macron? yes, russia is bad, but one day there must be dimensions with it, but he said one completely new thing, he is a preposition in the text of a neighbor that it is not only putin and that

putin's changes, as he says, i am not sure what it is will lead to something better, and this, in my opinion, is the first statement of a european politician of this rank who says, yes, it's not only putin , it's not only the russian elite, it's the whole of russia in general, and this is absolutely clear to us . putin will continue to spin this topic. for him, it's a part and dialogues and we all have to understand from us his ideology, all his so-called, as they like to say, creaks , they do not make any sense, they are so marasmatic, and without us, they do not make any sense at all. well, without his logic, there is nothing about the so-called one people there is no sense. well, besides, he understands that all the empire has always held

on to that mythology, one people, and now look at the demography today in russia, it is a complete disaster, but if there is a caucasus somewhere , well, there are different numbers, somewhere there, 15, somewhere, 20 per thousand population and the whole of central russia is somewhere six somewhere seven somewhere eight, that is, he has all the logic, the entire structure of his empire is being reloaded and he perfectly understands this and that is why he never recognizes us, he says that they always prevent me from eating ukraine and i am offended by this give eat me after the collapse of the soviet union, i have to return all this. well, of course, he will eat moldova, but he almost never saw moldova, and now we actually keep moldova safe, and it is absolutely obvious, so there is no need to think that putin can make progress someday, he

can hear any rational arguments someday he will talk about values ​​imagine he says it's only us who have trust and decency and all the others are really like that although everyone perfectly understands how putin has been lying since the 14th year merkel when she realized that putin was lying to her somehow she got a p- p p p, she says yes, he is the first, we will say so of course and what about the pro-russian troops in the donbas, well, but he says that you don’t seem to have anything for him, i’m lying , he is the president of russia, that is, it has been going on for a very long time, but now the end has come and gone and we will not do anything by putin. putin cannot be tamed. he can only be defeated, and this victory must be complex, of course, military, but complex so that the entire

essence of this regime and this empire is reloaded . there are absolutely no other options, especially when 130 or 140 million of these little putins to whom he addressed today. then he started his speech today and for about 40 minutes he spoke exclusively about ukraine . the first 40 minutes, then he was already there. they gave some information about social projects. by the way. he is going to build roads, well, they can't invent anything, it's all borrowed in ukraine, roads are going to be built because there are only directions, days in russia, but what did putin say putin said that the west turned the economic front, he forced

the russians are suffering like this, the agents of russian sanctions, we will hear putin against us, not only the military information front, but also the economic front, but nothing has been achieved anywhere, and the russian sanctions will not be achieved - this is only a means to an end, as declared by the western leaders themselves; from what mr. pavla putin says, it seems that he is deliberately going for this complete isolation and the creation of north korea 2, that is, russia is turning into north korea 2 because today he spoke about entrepreneurs, they say that they are buying villas and yachts abroad, let the one who invests more in russia come to russia. whoever has money left here and will teach his children here is a real patriot , well, that is, he has a completely articulated

goal - it is to transform russia to the soviet union with the iron curtain, because the whole course of historical events of the last eight years shows that he was going to this, that 's the truth, well, absolutely. i think that he was going to this for 20 more than 20 years. i absolutely i am sure that his desire to destroy ukraine as a country. but he never considered us a nation . it appeared in 2003. i remember it very well, because then they wanted to impose the so-called common economic space on our heads. maybe you remember it. something like that now

they put it on lukashenko's head, well, lukashenko is already trying on everything, he just wants to keep power, and we fought back. a tripartite gas consortium from germany, but to take 51% of the shares and thus eat our gas transportation system, and they failed, and i also remember this very well, and then tuzla began. then the fourth year of yanukovych began and the history of us all we remember very well what he says. this is his sincere conviction, this is also his understanding of his mission . he really wants that in russian textbooks , he will not be present in any other textbooks, or will be present as a criminal, and in the russian ones he thinks when he will protect himself there from all the topics from whom they will write peter the great, there is putin, who is kepler, we don't know volodymyr the great, he doesn't know, they are like

medicines already available. so, unfortunately, he did not fit in here, that's why he will beat about it and very- very consistently and try to destroy everything around me. by the way, we will probably talk about china a couple of weeks later . it was very interesting such communication with chinese experts. i say, you see , putin also wants to make a big northern korea you are one north korea somehow you are keeping the second big north korea . you definitely cannot stand it, so think very, very carefully about what you are doing, and the chinese said , yes, this is a fact, this fact is troubling . in fact, what putin says is the same, we are an original civilization, well, this is a fact, e- let's leave that to cultural experts, but i do not recognize and do not understand russia as

an original civilization, but he says that we are also open. so when he says that we are open, it sounds like a bad victim, so he can say a lot of things. but nevertheless, we understand perfectly him personal thoughts and we also understand that a large part of the russian elites, even though they are very successful. they really want to return to the usual for them, uh, some kind of lifestyle of earning money or raising money there in russia and then spending it. they still understand and what do they without putin and they are very afraid that after putin there will be an unknown collapse. by the way, what is feared so far, unfortunately, and part of the west, but the west is also not as fast as we would like, but i see that it is maturing. so,

in the west, thoughts are going in the right direction but unfortunately too slowly, mr. pavlo, we already have putin's synchronicity about what he announced about the suspension of participation in the treaty on strategic offensive weapons. what does this mean, let's explain to our viewers , that is, there are two countries, the united states of america and

russia, and they control each other in strategic offensive weapons, well at least they allow each other to control strategic weapons, i understand correctly, in fact, the treaty on 14 offensive weapons is about two things, it is two in one, it is restriction and control. when i began my modest career in the ministry of foreign affairs, my two first treaties were which of the treaty on the limitation of anti-missile systems of defense and the first agreement on the limitation of strategic offensive weapons, this is already the third, that is, the limitation is that there is a number of warheads that can be deployed with 1,500 e-e and e-e there is a limit on how many and where you can keep e-e and the second is the control procedure

inspections, russia withdrew from the inspection a long time ago. that is, it actually suspended its participation a long time ago if it does not allow inspections , so where is its actual participation in the contract, then they withdrew with mandatory consultations, i emphasize that consultations are not what you want there - no do you want to go, not in the end, i will talk, you will not talk, it is written in the road, here is the contract, it is written that it is necessary to meet and talk about the issues of the implementation of the contract, therefore, russia is fundamental this contract has violated and this is another lekal kaputina and i believe that he shot himself a lot, but most likely twice, i will say why now the west , and not only the west, will think about what putin is doing, and whether we need to strengthen our nuclear deterrence, and i believe that this is

an absolutely logical question for the west. things are not only for the west and a logical question. and what to do next, and i am absolutely sure that now nata will work on it, the americans , er, there are also nuclear countries separately, but nato and before the freedom summit, and maybe even before that, decisions will be prepared, and i emphasize not proposals because the proposal we know this is a serious matter when it concerns nuclear weapons but i think that there will be solutions and here putin has already miscalculated, he has miscalculated with us, he has fundamentally underestimated the fundamental , worked himself, that is, underestimated russia, the west . i think that he once again miscalculated fundamentally and did not i assessed the event and the reaction will actually be very systematic. the west knows how to raise rates. the west has a technological

advantage and the west understands that it is necessary to move forward, so i think that the west will now be a conceptual reboot of the entire logic of deterrence, but i've been talking about this, remember for months i've been saying that we need a new concept strategy and concepts and a strategy of deterrence of russia, we need a new concept of the strategic weakening of russia , what is being done now, we touched on this, then he says, and here we are economic there, but in fact he is very, very early happy, do you really remember when sanctions were introduced and everyone said russia would have a minus six minus eight gdp, but it did not happen as putin says well but there is somewhere -3%, but there are sanctions. where do they actually work, unfortunately, and how i really

emphasize as a ukrainian, as a person who understands from the heart that it is a pity, but they are working . they will surely and they will strangle 100% of everything will be china's behavior in the whole situation because china has already started to say that the situation may get out of control well, but this is probably a separate topic so we will talk about china a little later, let's still remember one more event because it is very important joseph biden's visit to kyiv is historic visit without exaggeration volodymyr zelenskyi says that during the negotiations it was possible to agree on the supply of such types of weapons that were not yet included in the aid packages and that ukraine and the united states of america are true allies and our relations have reached the most meaningful level, we will hear zelenskyi

we are working on the supply of long-range weapons and other types of weapons which it was not in support packages before. thank you for another package that will definitely strengthen our guys on the front line. thank you also on behalf of all ukrainians, to all americans, of course, to people the leader of the communities, the members of the congress from the two parties and all the members of president biden's team for the fact that our relations between ukraine and america have reached the most meaningful historical level, we can be called true allies and our alliance with america really strengthens the world, mr. pavla, what happened yesterday, biden's arrival at the the capital of a country that is at war and under the aggression of the russian federation, this is a completely unprecedented step. it seems to me that none of

the presidents of the united states of america has done something like this, they flew in the military bases in various countries where hostilities were taking place, but no one expected such a thing from biden, and even more so vladimir putin, can it be considered that what happened yesterday was a 100% public humiliation of the president of the russian federation on the world stage. there is a special one, he called his friend, who has american military stands , and specifically asked if he ever remembers that the american president went to a war zone where there are no american troops . he said no, pavlo, 100% of this did not happen. this is the first time throughout the history of the united states starting from the end of the 18th century, and it was biden who made his

actions on the so-called president's day, uh, it was yesterday in the united states. by the way, the republicans tried to carefully criticize him here . well, well done. of course, baiting that he went to ukraine is cool, but it would be nice to be in the states on this very day, but this is already internal politics, however, biden, in my opinion , has demonstrated that he is devoted as president , as an american citizen, not just as a person to these values ​​that he, as a politician always proclaimed, that is, he does not proclaim something and then says, well, maybe , there, there, we will go to the left this much, there this much, we will go to the right. he always says yes , i proclaim it and i adhere to it, and i respect it very, very much in him. he is a very believing person

and he has very, very much and humanity in that he will support ukraine, but today i remembered when i met him there for the first time and it was such a meeting in his office and he said , do you understand pavlo well, i am there, i have a different opinion than obama about the supply of weapons and i say it out loud i say of course when we have an internal discussion there and i am telling you here that you can always count on me there and you, as ukrainians, but unfortunately i cannot break the ban and there were people who advised him to take a more cautious position on armaments but nevertheless he took exactly such a position. of course, this is still not enough for us, both in terms of scale and pace. but nevertheless, we have great respect for him for this visit, as well as for this visit, and you and i said at the beginning of our conversation that he is now