[000:00:00;00] de-occupation, how can you live without garbage, live without fools , it is possible, the history of the liberated cities of ukraine is gone. let's see how our brothers helped us. есть yes, we are all nationalists here, did the people resist, did the residents come out here, stop them and send them back and become heroes, the novel was, is , and will always be ukraine about unbreakable cities of ukraine from the ukraine project in the documentary cycle de-occupation that saturdays at 11:10 am not espresso greetings dear a-a tv viewers er-e greetings friends my name is vasyl zima, this is a worldview program on the espresso tv channel

, today we will talk about important things, well , first of all, how they say it's still fresh and a little hot, let's taste it, we want to understand, in principle, what it tastes like and feel it . at the smell of vladimir putin's speech before the federal assembly in the russian federation , what did he say there? well, i'll tell you briefly putin lied, medvedev slept everything as usual, uh, failed, neither one nor the other, one spoke in the match, well, the other somewhere in the middle of the speech of his friend and partner vladimir putin, as usual, already fell asleep with sheepish eyes, valentina matvienko was sitting, some such activity, dynamism , tried to solve the head of their opinion , well, actually as always , we will talk about what putin said, but the topic of our conversation today will be the anatomy of the russian rebellion, and for some reason the wall of razin appears in rap . in fact, we always talk about what we we are waiting for a riot in russia, on the one hand, we are not waiting, on the other hand, we are waiting, because we understand

that the mind of russia cannot be measured by a yardstick of understanding in russia , we can only believe that there is something special in this country. will happen or russia, it is not foreseen and not predicted, and the russian rebellion can happen , as it has happened, er, in the course of its history , quite often. what it led to in different ways, but now we perfectly understand what a rebellion can lead to in principle. to the destruction of the state formation that exists today on the territory of the russian federation, i will introduce the guests who will be with us today, well, we are already with volodymyr tsibulko, he is a political expert and he is also a people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation , a poet, a public figure . to see you and also with us is maksym the smart. yes, he is also a political expert. maksym, i congratulate you. good afternoon, i will start. as they say from a hot dish, although

the latins usually say that they start with eggs, but today we will not taste eggs we will try to immediately eat what was just prepared, we are talking about vladimir putin's speech before the federal assembly , i will only briefly say that putin again did not call the war a war, he again said that they did not start the war, but they should end it, as if it was not him i said on the night of february 24 that i, er, made a decision, which means a special military operation, well, this is such a thing , a 70-year-old man has forgotten, maybe some kind of domen or some other thing is happening to him. well, actually, this is the main message that we will continue to fight. vladimir, i would like to ask you how you evaluate. i think that you have read at least excerpts from his speech. maybe you even listened to what the president of the country of the aggressor said . how can you evaluate, uh, his words, which vladimir putin did as hard as he could, well, uh, there is such an old joke

about the japanese delegation that was first fed with red caviar and then with zucchini and on zucchini, the japanese say that someone has already eaten it, it seems that's why the smell of putin's message was the color of zucchini caviar, and the smell is not caviar at all, in fact, it is such a chewing of some comfortable ideological putin, as a primitive debater, he has a set, in his opinion , of uninterrupted arguments without interruptions, so to speak, not interruptive arguments, and here he pulls them out, sorts them in the absolute order of the tarot cards , that's how they lie, that's how it will be, but the best evidence of that that putin simply exists in a parallel world and he is listened to only by the sticks, we are divided, that is, let's say the physical configuration of those who listen to this speech

, and these are absolutely people with stone faces , they are quite scared, and it is felt that, well, they they were driven there from under a stick, and the funniest thing is when you look intently at these benches, among the uh, big dignitaries, well , it seemed like the guests were sitting guards with darts in their ears . it looks even funnier, that is, the level of internal fear in which putin found himself and the entire collective cream he reaches - to my apogee, that is, this bubble is a bubble, how much smoke is it? it must burst and scatter in the square, mr. maksym. what are your impressions, and most importantly, what thoughts arise after listening to the main messages that

he voiced today for how do they say orbich orbit orbi city and world well, he said this for the city of moscow and probably for the world as well, please eh yes, i agree that there is a certain shuffling of already known messages and, so to speak, eh words that are used either war or a special operation recently lavrov said that it is still a war, but for this as you know in russia they give a prison term eh, nevertheless , eh, this is such a game, such a specific hmm political culture i would say so academic eh and eh it is very important that exactly at what moment what is the tarot card as the previous one said so would

say the commentator lies down on the table, in fact, these are important signals and of course, what to expect from er putin, some er, some opinion, some idea er. it is absolutely useless, as well as any adequate assessment of the situation, but er, that's exactly what is pulled from the deck in at a certain moment, this is a very important indicator of the mood in the kremlin and what this collective putin is leaning towards, so to speak, who is standing behind him somewhere, obviously in the form of the corporation of the owners of the joint-stock company russia and actually these political technologists who form these messages and push them and add certain ingredients to each dish

, so to speak finally it will end here, i fully agree that those stony faces that we observe from that memorable picture about the meeting of the security council of russia, uh, they were already scared then and so they were scared all year with stone faces and are waiting for what they will say from the highest tribune to prepare if we talk about the opinions of the interpreter, it seems to me that it is possible to talk already today, uh, quite confidently, about the fact that there is no unity in the kremlin, uh, about the fact that uh, part of the uh, elite of the russian uh, from the very meeting of

the council of security waiting for all this to finally end, this horror, these losses of assets, this uncertainty is, so to speak, a cold under the skin that constantly haunts them, and another part of the same elite is close to putin, it insists on a fundamentally different scenario for the future z- tightening the nuts inside russia on the continuation of the war on the uncompromising confrontation with the west, here is today's speech of putin. it showed that this radical part, apparently, putin er-er leaned er-er a year ago, exactly this one can't push e either general mobilization or more actively er-e political mobilization

no tougher rhetoric of putin and putin continues to balance on the brink of the desire to agree on something with the west and somehow get out of this adventure that he got into a year ago now, as the facebook contributors say, let's look crosswise means tired toys are sleeping, books are sleeping, a blanket and pillows are waiting for the guys in the back, we are tired, we will say good night to everyone, close your eyes, bye-bye, well, actually, this is stability , uh, dmitry medvedev fell asleep again well, i don't know, maybe he doesn't sleep at night and thinks about maps , looks at some kind he is writing a book on how we will build russia, part two. i don't know what he does. well, during vladimir putin's speech, dmitry medvedev is constantly connecting to the astral consciousness, so to speak, trying to find out something there now we will talk about the uprising because, you know, many people can say that nothing will happen in russia, no one will rise up , nothing like that will be possible for rights and freedoms and they will not rise up for rights in russia either.

for the power that can be swayed for the resources for this in russia they can always rebel and in fact this is how it was in history like in chakapelanik's novel fight club there in the first chapter in the first or second chapter corresponds to explosives and this is the russian rebellion - it's also a kind of bread roll in which you have to put all the necessary ingredients for it to work, detonation happened and it exploded. why did i call today 's program, well, the topic of our program is somehow the shadow of karazin, a sudden natomy of the russian rebellion appears. i just want our viewers to return a little to history it was still the muscovite empire because it was the 17th century , but the ledge and the walls were different then yarmak timofeyvych well, not ours, but their russian , and the main reason, of course , is that they call it robbery of the official russian sources write that there were so many times that he looted and committed robberies. in fact, it was a battle for the throne after there was a turmoil in russia and the government collapsed and

the romanovs were there to occupy the moscow throne. so many times that he strengthened his rear by looting certain settlements there and entering into battle even with the shah of paradise, he tried to get resources in order to go to moscow and seize the throne, and this is the real anatomy well, actually, the rebellion of timofeevich was also connected with the fact that seizing power in russia, of course, such a big, big war that suvorov himself was sent to conquer , it could not have been just some bandit raid or hmm, it was a regional local uprising, it was actually a big war, and that’s why the main goal of these riots in russia , such well-known riots, so on some small ones there for a hat or a ruble, it was an attempt to occupy the moscow throne and manage and control the resources of everything of the muscovite empire, etc. today, we come to the fact that in russia , such people can actually appear so many times and not so many

times - it is by the father of a lady cossack by the mother, er, crimean tatar, there is such a mixture of his blood in him she is peculiar. that is, she is not a pure-blooded brain, but that is not the point. kadyrov is also a pure-blooded muscovite. he is a muscovite. well, it is difficult to say who is beautiful there . well, the sheik, for example, is generally a tuvan , so i am not a muscovite either. today there are new types in the russian federation who can claim the role of razin's wall. we will start with such a person as prigozhin, putin's chef, now he is in charge of the wagner chamber of commerce. let's listen to what he said to the russian prisoners when he came to speak at one from many russian colonies, the ideal candidate is, let's say

, ilya muromets, from the strict regime, not the first time being tried, it's 30 in 45 years, strong , self-confident, hardy, desirable once for murder, aggravated robbery, robbery, if the administration is a tool, otpisdylyshche we need your criminal talents, i myself sat ten before becoming a hero of russia, i myself sat ten we need your criminal talents, the parishioner is gathering his own gang, mr. volodymyr. what do you think of prigozhin for the role shadows, razdina will agree or not. the campaign for the moscow throne can take place under these conditions, which i am talking about now, it is not enough

, it is not profitable, it is an element of the criminal system, it is not anti-static, the wall is now he was an anti-system, that's why you, vasyl, mentioned the elements about suvorovna, it's related to pugachev, but the essence is different, the essence is that the system can be dismantled by the russian system, only a system person , prigozhyn, is indeed an element of the system, but he is in to this system, well, the cook, that is, there are kovalchuks standing over him and his channel directly to putin, these are kovalchuks, but the fact is that all such characters are perceived in russia as recyclers of the destructive mass, that is,

the main task of prigozhin is to fire as much as possible criminality so that when mass riots and criminality begin, he will break out of prisons so that there are so few of them that he cannot influence the e-e front e-e of power between the e-e large major system players i want to remind you that even the russian armed forces are not well, let's say, the owner of the package of power shares in russia, because in addition to the russian armed forces, there are also security companies in which, in my opinion , there are currently 7 million physically healthy men who are in matches today veterans e-e or special service or armed forces or police that's why the oligarchs still have their potential, they are considered the guardians of their business

, but when it comes to riots, they will use it , although i will say that when we are waiting for a riot in russia , that is, it is already underway, we see fires in russia and this is technology. the fact is that already somewhere, up to half of the woodworking industry on the territory of russia has burned out, there are regions with such woodworking and other industries simply do not exist, that is, the game is being played on the deterioration of the positions of both regional business and the central government, and this is a disaster well, in contrast to our opinion that the war, this conflict in ukraine, the war against ukraine weakens the inside of russia , in fact, the regional elite fire those who could potentially join the soil

, but they keep their pocket armies for control over the territories, it all happens quite differently, but it actually forms this model actually forms not just a confederal perspective, but perhaps in fact such an optimization for the complete atomization of russia there, in addition to the railway , the electrical network of communication and er, well, television and there is no ruble of other scraps, and regional unions can very quickly take over electricity and railways and even media resources. i am now mr. maksym, in my opinion , i have lost some of them now, and i already have them before mr. maksym i want to ask a question. i want to show you the book. i received it today. i ordered it for myself. it’s called it’s untenable. it’s not an advertisement. it’s just that i advise anyone to have the opportunity to read it, because it is very important to understand the enemy, and

the enemies are not the same enemy as he was under nicholas the second. and what is he like now, the author is clearly a bugayan, er, an unsustainable state, instructions for the unraveling of russia, by the way , the experience of the ukrainian russian-ukrainian war is indicated here, and here i will not cite one quote from the annotation to this book, but an attempt to transform the russian federation on a national state , a civil state, or a stable imperial state has failed and the current structure is based on a fragile historical foundation , there is no single national identity, the legs are civil, non-ethnic, and it shows constant the struggle of internationalists and so on, the war of russia against ukraine will speed up the process of dismemberment of the state, we actually know to a greater extent and even an expert who talks about this, well, the type of law abroad, they do not fully know what today's russia really is, and very often people are horrified and they look at the beauty of his gang with surprise at his statement and think that it cannot be clear, is it some kind of sur no, this is modern russia, it is like that, and here the question

is about what mr. volodymyr told me a few weeks ago that until now there is no understanding of that. and how many people is there in russia, or 140 million, as you said, volodymyr, 80 years ago, i have many questions for you, mr. maksym , by prigozhin. if we talk about him as a phenomenon, as a person in this strange modern russia, would he be suitable for the role there are so many different people who would be able to accumulate the resources of these or other groups here and try to fight for the throne. i'm not saying that it will be better for ukraine, beauties on the thrones in moscow, but it will definitely be chaos in russia , please. i agree that he is beautiful is not an independent outside system elemental player before prigozhyn became known as an owner or a leader , today he already looks a little like

a commander of this so-called chvk which for some reason uses the weapons of the russian armed forces of the armed group of wagner, the so-called wagner , by the way, the call sign of utkin, who is actually the founder of this combat group. than he was the leader in public opinion, did he create such a pr for himself as the leader of the worm, you know he was very as a system man, he sat down on such serious flows of providing the russian army with huge contracts that would have been absolutely impossible if he had not been deeply integrated into all these corrupt and corporate connections that today define the face

putin's regime, therefore, it is clear that prigozhin is not an independent figure, he is, so to speak, the resulting vector of the kremlin's policy, which he carries out primarily focusing on his own internal interests and internal needs that is, prigozhin is such a construction, ideological and pr, pr and image projection, which all the political technologists, led by kyrienko vaino, imagine medvedev sitting somewhere nearby, and in fact, all these people are developing there. so-called meta technologies that construct parallel realities. here they decided that such a character as pregozhyn , so to speak, today falls on the best

line of behavior that the cream chose for itself, that is, a certain degree of chaos is certain the measure of wildness in e-e russian public space i.e. the rejection of rationality as such as a fundamental thing and the search for some bright , vivid images, bright messages, unambiguous, etc. he fulfills this function, he produces it according to this . in my opinion, there is no independent project of his. it will not be used in some more complex combinations , that is, when this conflict is already an obvious conflict between systemic politicians and some new wave

, so to speak, people from the street carefully selected and carefully cultivated by the russian special services, this is the conflict. it will obviously be on time in the near future, pardon the tautology. it is possible that some kind of rover will be selected in this scenario, but the fact that it will not be the new razan and the fact that it will not be the new pugachev or the new lenin or i don’t know what you definitely know this. i remember such a character. maybe when our viewers who are watching the world view are younger , they won’t remember it, but general rokhlin was quite a strong person, popular in the army, popular among the people, well, you can certainly have him connect well compare with the hero well and with a historical character we are also the hero of akunin's novel about the death of achilles, the general , now i will remember about c well, which one in tsarist

russia , yes, do you remember ? he fell, rokhlin was simply shot and said that his wife did it, well, i suspect that he wanted to make a military coup for years, that is, such characters are pouring in, but they were strong people, er, structured with military training , with a military mindset. in russia, we still have to achieve something . well, we still have two more characters, about whom we will talk briefly . what would be good, he even says what else should we do, navalnyi writes, eh, he says nothing, we just need to return to the internationally recognized borders of ukraine in 1991, how were the internationally recognized borders of the russian federation, and return to these borders

, pay reparations to ukraine, but before that it is necessary to unblock and remove the sanctions from russia so that it can pay reparations to ukraine from its oil and gas dollars and we must live on, this is the vision of the future of oleksiy navalny, and here they are already talking about what this means, the second tower of the kremlin has been activated , so he is also trying to send his messages in your opinion, volodymyr, and it is clear that navalny does not even look like at the moment, although again , well, who has seen in the case of an inanimate person, maybe they are similar somewhere, although from those pictures that i, and in your opinion, what role can this person play a person who, in principle, is not free now, i am completely under control because she is in a prison in the village. the timing of the publication of this message is important here. it is actually not related to the date of the beginning of the special military campaign, that is, aggression. against ukraine, it is connected with the fact that china is starting to put pressure on russia and is expressing itself on the subject, well, let's say so, the preservation of peace

negotiations on the basis of the statute, therefore, on the one hand, the cream launched a mass with the idea of ​​reparations and returning to the borders with the aim of to mobilize all er, let's say unburnt turbopatriots and this is such a mobilizing cry on the one hand and on the other hand they present the mood how the population perceives the idea of ​​returning to the border in 1991 for fishing of course reparations will have to be made so that they will not be called reparations but if it will help to keep russia within the borders of er, well, the existing borders for the 91st year, because here the question is no longer the restoration of the territorial integrity of ukraine, here the question is the existence within the borders of russia itself, which is being torn apart

both internal and external maksym how do you assess the prospects of appearing on the political map in reality, not from prison , but in reality, but massively, and again can we talk about at least some independence of this person who, i think, has lost many supporters now not because she became different. navalny is meant. well, we will simply remember his words that russia cannot transfer crimean sandwiches back and forth. and now he is ready to give crimea away, so i do not think that his supporters have disappeared just now, this is the hysteria caused in russia war, cheers, patriotism for patriotism, and so on. well, i think that his supporters definitely left somewhere in the direction of the armenian, georgian, and estonian borders, and at the time when the russians were actively running away from mobilization, please, mr. maksym. yes, i also think that this last statement it took place against the background of m. well, let's say, the decrease in the capitalization of the navalny project as such, that is, it is unlikely that

navalny can be considered as a serious political figure in the near future, and most likely i am connected with due to his significant control, and what is similar to what is behind his back. actually, this message was formulated by some influential groups in the russian elite, who themselves cannot say such things, but use the bulk as an informational excuse, so to speak, because to be honest, they are expecting some kind of messages from him, well, at least some part of russia's russian population. yes, it is, what can this mean, as an indicator, it shows that russia is looking for a way out. russia in the person of the kremlin

, russia in the person of putin's inner circle, but also russia, in the form of various analytical groups, are looking for this way out, looking for an option, so to speak, in which it would be possible to survive , and navalny at the moment, at the moment , plays the same official role as prigozhin and throws in some messages, forms some er images that, so to speak, perform a purely technological role at the regular session of the un general assembly