[000:00:00;00] threats. he said that all this was instigated by politicians and the media, that is, the rhetoric was like that, i don't know if he was to blame for it, the rhetoric was the same, and the people were not. well, not that they were informed, but warned, but that's how it was , the mayor of mariupol, who in the past was a corporate a manager in the business empire of rinat akhmetov turned out to be completely unsuitable for managing the city during the war, he fled the city , he fled the city in the first days, leaving mariupol a-a. that's all not true and that there will be no war because it was, let's say, the political course of its corporate superiors, let's not forget that one year ago the day before yesterday will be the anniversary of rinat akhmetov's visit to mariupol, he

was not there at all, they were also together, and in the evening also president zelenskyy, that is, in general the mood was such that people should be calmed down as much as possible to show them that everything is fine. and of course, none of them predicted it, and i think that this is. of course, maybe the mayor vadim boychenko will tell about it someday, what he thinks about this and will answer the question in his opinion, did he do enough to save his city or not? in my opinion, not enough. you know, i don't know if he had any other option than not to leave the city in the first days of the war. for the mayor of the city, it meant death, obviously if he does not cooperate with russia by the authorities, in fact, it was an ongoing process, and all that he had to do for a certain time was evacuation, and we know the leaders

of small towns and small towns, as they remained even in the occupation, somehow they will remain in their own cities and help to his people, therefore, it is his duty. unfortunately, the head elected by the people is to be both an example and a leader, and this is a difficult duty. they simply do not have to do it if a person does not have an answer to the question, how will he behave in a critical situation? konstantin, thank you very much. for the conversation kostyantyn batozki, political scientist, director of the priazov region development agency, we talked about what mariupol is living now, a year later, actually, after the russian invasion, thank you , the largest german arms manufacturer rheinmetall expects that the first batch of ammunition for cheetah anti-aircraft systems will be delivered to ukraine by july, and 20 marder combat vehicles will arrive in ukraine by the end of march. this is reported by cnn with reference to the statement

of the company's director, armin paperger, in addition , he stated that his company has doubled its capacity, and in some sectors even tripled it, this is important because just the day before, the ambassador of ukraine to germany, oleksiy makeev, said that ukraine has big plans to establish a joint production of weapons with germany. they are taught to drive german-made leopard tanks, the day before ambassador makeev also published this very video, which we show this training from the german training ground, where german instructors teach ukrainians to drive bmp-marder and leopard tanks, a year ago it was actually conceivable that the ukrainian military would undergo training at a german training grounds where german instructors will teach them to drive german tanks a little more than a year ago at the end of january. i will also remind you that germany announced that it would transfer to ukraine 5,000 of military helmets this is an absolutely clear signal that we, on the side of ukraine, declared at that time in

the ministry of defense of germany in ukraine that the news of the prank spread on memes . declared the then ambassador of ukraine to germany andrii melnyk last year and it looks like this reversal is happening right before our eyes, anka feldguzin, the ambassador of germany to ukraine , joins the air already showed a video from the german training ground, the whole world was actually watching. how difficult was the decision about tanks for ukraine for alla fusholtz to convince berlin to allow the re-export and transfer of tanks . washington even took a counter step and announced the transfer of abrams. please explain to us what the chancellor meant. here is this the complexity is bureaucracy, this is some kind of historical trauma, this is really a fear of escalation, or is it

something else? i think that the kanz really wanted to create this tank coalition . well, what we are seeing now. he does not have experience with tanks for ukraine, no, that is, they have to be picked up in different countries , and he wanted to do it, he also went to find out that there were no american tanks with us , and in the end, i think that this is what we now have a political decision. well, there will be tanks, and if you look, look at what happened. we, uh, all this year, i'm sure. well, what in this number are there, which ones we are talking about now, there will probably be more, that is, i really i really hope that these battalions about

which he said will be and i hope soon in ukraine, do you already have any information on when exactly these tanks can be in ukraine , it is the end of march, the beginning of april ? we see pictures here, no, hmm, with a training ground in germany and then. well, i think that spain is also today, i think that there will be none this march . it seems to me that in april there will already be not such a serious number, well, the next level after tanks is is planes if listen to the statements and requests of ukrainian officials, and now olafsholt categorically excludes the delivery

of combat aircraft to ukraine . not first of all the appeal to us because as your minister reznikov said after meeting with our minister of defense, ukraine is now winning this platform of aircraft as it wants and needs. because ukraine almost said from the first day that it really wants leopards as a platform, er, tanks, er, actually, no, ukraine no longer wants 20 different systems in one, neither weapons will work, that is

, they said from the first day, well, leopards would be the best. well, and because of that, i stayed in germany. well, as i said tricks with airplanes, and it seems to me that what i hear is that ukraine is thinking more about about 16 and it is no longer ours, that is, it seems to me that it is possible that there will be another country not to create e- i will only say that such a coalition regarding aircraft is a military one experts say that germany has 88 tornado aircraft, which it wants to replace with the american f-35. and that they say there may be extra aircraft, and in addition , germany has, so to speak, extra combat aircraft of the european union, and three such aircraft were sold to the air force the media wrote about this to the austrian forces in october last year, that is, berlin cannot say that we have no

planes at all, there are planes and it is possible to understand. the fact is that oleg scholz says categorically no . germany currently does not have them. even the driver of such a discussion or the initiator of such a discussion, they say, let's still collect planes for ukraine, although we all understand that this will not happen soon, because there is still training and so on, but so far we have not heard from germany categorically. and this is important when such signals sound. well we already rarely talk about the supply of weapons and we are no longer following a very long way, you mentioned the days of the beginning and since then we have transferred to ukraine we are very, very heavily armed and we are in second or third place in terms of the supply of weapons and

it seems to me that we gradually expanded mine extended, no, these videos are weapons, what medals are there, now we are exercising, the discussion is about airplanes, no, let's see where the days go this day, but you mentioned the tornado, i say fall , that's right, but what i hear is really separate, i want to focus on this understood. and also at the munich security conference , olafshol did not rule out that the war in ukraine will continue for a long time, and by the way, this is very contrary to the statements of the ukrainian side, we often hear from ukrainian high-ranking officials that the war should end this year, and it is obvious the west is not only germany, the west in general and germany in particular does not share such forecasts is preparing for a long war, what is the current vision in berlin of how the war in ukraine should end there we are on the side of ukraine how long no it will take

how much ukraine needs our help and uh, i think that uh, it will be until ukraine wins against the aggressor , you can hear it too this is pure speculation that i live in kyiv is with you. i understand that people are also ukrainians . we are the leader, they want to end this mobile as soon as possible. i want victory . today i spoke with people who did not survive the occupation in kherson. they finally say this not only. we think and pray

for victory and so that the victory would be faster, well, faster, above all, that is, the feeling there is completely different, we are like berlin berlini. maybe the experts there are looking at the possibilities that russia has, well, they will compare it with those possibilities. in ukraine, that is, there it is this is the military logic, and maybe they think that it can last a long time, but if you are here in ukraine , i will give it to the hospital. this is the feeling . how is it? we need to end this war, well, very, very quickly, but if we are talking

about the end of the war, after all, i am. let me clarify once again in berlin, after all, how they see the end of the war . ukraine regains all the territories of the 1991 borders, including crimea. well, we always they said that territorially, well, the value of ukraine is the reason for our sanctions. we are already in the 14th year. that is, we believe that ukraine does not exist in these borders, as it was in the 91st year , nor the borders. by the way, which russia also recognized, well, in the 97th that is, these are the internationally recognized borders of ukraine, and ukraine must return its territories. and if to russia, what kind of russia does berlin see after the end of the war, because now there are different currents, movements, and even the russian so-called opposition, it is divided in half, which

happens outside the borders russia some people say that it is russia yes, russia is the aggressor, but it has to preserve its integrity, while others say, no , it will be a victory for ukraine if the disintegration of russia is also a victory for ukraine, but it also includes the victory of ukraine, do you agree or not? i am not an expert on russia, honestly. for us, it really was well, as you first said, the change in french policy, this siding will probably be such a word even in other languages ​​because it is such a drastic change in our foreign policy. of foreign policy and different governments, different coalitions - it's not just that they haven't changed, now, foreign policy has changed, and very sharply

, and we're still, well, now with this russia , what is it today ? what is this war? which russia is waging against ukraine? what is it? it is all in russian , in society, whether there will be changes, but for now, it seems to me that we all have it is necessary to protect ukraine against russia , and even victory songs to ukraine knew what can not defend itself against russia and russia - it also knows this and does not attack us anymore. i will then return to the mood in german society. there was sociology for december last year, 2022, and it said that sociology in germany said that 57% of

german citizens believe that russia's war in ukraine will not end for the first time in the 23rd year, and when they were asked whether ukraine needs to start negotiations with russia at this stage, 55% of the participants said yes. what is the current consensus regarding the end of the war in german society? is moving because i understand that the mood in german society also depends on the decisions made by the german government , there are very, very different polls. we are in this war, i.e. we are the suppliers of weapons, we are what our government is doing , this is a very large number of germans, 72% for society

, which is not for long. it seems to me that despite this, other things have changed , for example, our policy, well, our energy policy. and i really feel the consequences of this, that is, there is unity, as always, there are all parts of society that are completely different to me we think this and say that we did not see it during the pandemic, erm, and by the way, it is very often the same people, no, that is, there is no need to do it, because it is a large er majority in the center, so that it is preserved, but also so that the medals can, er well

, it means to be sure that this well, somewhere around 70 eh well, on april 4th, 85% of germans support it with the help of the government of the government. and how do you yourself explain such a drastic change of opinion among the germans ? 72% of you say they support the provision of arms to ukraine . the war is live, you know, and they see it all from their gadgets, phones, or is there some other thing ? i think it was this shock on february 24. last year, when the bombs and rockets did not fly to ukraine, it is still very close to us. and putin showed her there what he did not do in in turkey in the 14th year, not then. well, i worked in kyiv then and i remember. we are these little pieces of paper. in ours, it is written where to go. well , the nearest is still there, and for me then it was already

a shock. but the germans are only now really us i am aware that they fly to these countries, it is far away, they can attack the whole country, and this country is still ukraine - it is a neighbor of poland and the paltian countries. that is, we are a nato country. i think it really has changed. this figure of 72%, it including, it is surprising because the first time was a year ago people living in germany had a different opinion, and secondly, that for decades before that, germany lived in such a paradigm of very stable friendship and partnership with russia, and even the annexation of crimea did not prevent this friendship from continuing. just after that , the construction of the northern stream began and germany was called the most reliable

an ally of russia in the west and now a year has passed and germany is learning to live without moscow, i am not talking about ordinary people now, i am talking about the german elites who were strongly connected with russia . what do you think? they don't say it because somehow it's not on time for everyone, do you remember what our president-general said, he said out loud i was wrong, well, i was indeed one of those who, unfortunately, until the end, it's better to say no to the countries no like russia, i wouldn't say that it was friendship already in place or it was in the 20th year , but it was definitely still cooperation there. we have a lot of atmosphere, but it's a battle field, but people now know that they just didn't see what putin wanted what he we wanted all of ukraine, not

only those territories that he already took in 14-15 year, your colleague, your colleague, oleksiy makeev, the ambassador of ukraine to germany, he said that he compared, perhaps this is not a very diplomatic comparison, but he first said that the number of german politicians who are aware of the toxicity of russia is increasing, and he said that now there is a breakdown due to the obvious need to change the attitude towards there is a breakdown in russia and many german politicians, this is such an undiplomatic comparison , i don’t know if it has the right to exist or not . maybe yes, the lectures are now active in germany than i am, he probably can do it better it seems to me that a large number of ukrainians who know asylum in germany also played a big role in you. there are a lot of them who live in families

. for example, one of my friends is a bookie and she has had two families for almost a year. she is from ukraine with children and she just lived somewhere in another world before that, but now they are with them, your number does not bother her and she also changed her er her thoughts no, that is, this closeness is people , that is what is very eh well, really , people's diplomacy played a very important role, well, i guess i may be wrong, but the average german probably did not have such a clear and clear idea of ​​who the ukrainians are and what ukraine is because it always existed in the paradigm of the soviet union, which is somewhere near russia, and maybe it is part of russia, that is, it was not i have such a persistent idea very often when i have been abroad and when i was asked where did you come from when you said that

i am from kyiv, and people often answered me oh, i was also there once in st. petersburg, that is, an average european could have such an answer from him was to hear so it is that's right, when i was sent to work in kyiv in 1994, my mother said i would work in russia, i said no, my mother , but i will work in ukraine, no, but my parents' generation. it's really us. for them , the soviet union was one big thing. well, after that, they simply do not realize how many new republics there are, but my parents have known about it since 1994, and they often talked about it with their friends, friends, friends, etc. the war in ukraine brought

ukrainians and germans closer to each other so well recently angel merkel, the former chancellor of germany, once again repeated her previously voiced thesis that the minsk agreements gave ukraine time to prepare for a new russian invasion . this statement was received very sceptically with such sarcasm . here the minsk agreements were prepared for them. and in general, how should we understand this statement ? well, really, what she clearly meant, we need to ask her, i can simply tell you about the fact that i lived here. i very much i also worked as a teacher since the 19th year in kyiv, and i really remember that in minsk well , first minsk eh it was right after eh after the battle of lyubaisk and really the first

task was to stop the eh blood-conducting which was eh there was ilovaisk and in the 15th year in february it was a debacle, that is eh there were very urgent goals of these eh hmm agreements and it was really to stop it must be said that at that time the ukrainian armed forces were not at all during their time, especially during yanukovych's time almost destroyed and it really was very difficult for them for all eight years eh hmm after the 14th year we had full-scale invasions with them. last year there we saw how the armed forces of ukraine changed, well how they developed . we, they studied together with partner

countries there are, including from nato, but they already received modern weapons, no, and they and how it almost always remembered, well, their swords, and it was not a conflict, it was already a war in us in the 14th year, and they lived with this war and they were there. well, not used to it, but they are there every day they fought, that is, they had a very, very, very big experience, this is fighting with russia, that is, these eight years really changed the ukrainian armed forces, and it seems to me that it probably helped because ukraine could defend itself against the attack of russia a year ago, that is, is it

whether or not there were minsk agreements, the fact is that ukraine had these eight years to become stronger , ukraine has become stronger, especially in the sphere of the armed forces. counselor angela merkel crystal holsen said that everyone should be deputized in order for german-russian relations to be restored. you live in kyiv and you know that there is such a narrative in kyiv that nothing will change in russia. if putin simply disappears, there is a system that needs to be destroyed . but in germany, i heard the opinion that putinization should be carried out and then everything will be fine. you agree. it seems to me that putinization is just words and it is not only putin, it is not all his. we are there

, well, who do we work around him and if we, all these people, would no longer exist, and it is possible. what has changed? but as i said, it's just , uh, well, the word is to, well, to make it easier for us, no , it's easier for people, we. it seems to me that in germany they understand very well that it's not only putin is what is this whole country, after all, and there is still a difference with the 14th year , you remember without knowing us. but after ilovaisk, the russian public organization has soldiers and they reported that we are 500 russian soldiers died not there no

it was a few days before minsk and now tsia the organization has already been banned by us, no one in russia is talking about the fact that i don’t know how many dozens, or 1,000 of us have already died , that is, society is not talking about it at all. that is, our society has also changed, and that is, it is not only putin, well, it is the whole the system that we need to change, what again? hmm, again , i don't even want to say cooperate, but co-exist first with russia. my last question, returning to odeool sosolets, with whom we started, is his visit to ukraine being prepared in the near future, can he again will take the example of boris johnson, who has already visited kyiv several times, we are actively traveling. he will soon be in india. i think it is very important that because the name is not currently the head of the group of 20 and can influence

, we hope, positively on the global filter none, very important, especially in new york, tomorrow we will vote on this, another resolution, well, bright. it seems to me that washers are only in ukraine, but we do everything for ukraine, and i have taught in other countries, ms. wrote, thank you very much for this a window to germany i would say so thank you very much for the conversation of anka fedguza, the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of the federal republic of germany in ukraine, was on radio svoboda, thank you, thank you. well, i also traditionally remind you that the youtube algorithm works in such a way that the more likes, the more people will see this broadcast, so i urge you. on the internet, like this broadcast, and questions for clarification of comments are always welcome in the chat under the broadcast, and i also encourage you to subscribe to the pages of radio svoboda in social