[000:00:00;00] we are meeting allies in warsaw, we are following our european correspondent bohdan tsyupin he is joining our broadcast congratulations bohdan so, bohdan , what is the format of the bucharest nine what was on the agenda of this meeting and what was agreed upon by the leaders of the bucharest nine - these are nine countries nato on the eastern edge of this organization, that is, from south to north, bulgaria, romania, hungary , slovakia, the czech republic, poland, as well as the three baltic countries of this country, gathered and exchanged their views, in particular, on defense issues after the beginning of the russian war in 2014, when the russians seized crimea and began to intervene in the donbass, their first meeting in such a group took place in november 2015, and it is obvious that this particular group became even more

relevant after the february invasion of russia in 2022, since then these are already countries that can be said to feel the breath of russian aggression on us we also discussed a number of issues on which we must move forward, primarily regarding the formation of advanced defense in the east of europe , which is the embodiment of the decisions of the madrid summit the second group of questions was about ukraine's membership in nato and closer political relations with ukraine, giving certain signals in ukraine that after the vilnius summit, ukraine will be several steps closer to nato . we know will be the first to call sanctions against russia a problem , refuses to provide weapons to ukraine or allow their transit to ukraine through its territory. at the same time, the leaders of the rest of the

allied countries speak of unity in the did ukraine address this question today in warsaw? hungary's position calls into question the unity of the bucharest nine countries because hungarian prime minister viktor orban constantly and even these days constantly complains about the sanctions. he says that they are bad , harmful, do not work, that they are not needed. and even talks about uh-sanctioned inflation, which seems to suit uh-uh, brussels is the capital of the european union, which includes hungary as well as nato, mr. orban had an excuse why was he not in warsaw , there was only one president instead of him the prime minister of the czech republic, the rest, all the rest were the presidents, as far as sanctions are concerned, hungary, as a member of the european union, is forced

to implement and implement european sanctions because the representatives of hungary are sitting in brussels, they , like the other 27 eu countries, agree on these sanctions, often resisting them but in the end, they are forced to put their signatures under the decisions and will obviously be delivered under the tenth package, which is now being worked hard in brussels, models are planning to adopt this package before the first anniversary of a full-scale invasion and the president of the european commission ruslana von derlin spoke about this at what stage is this issue now and what is the delay actually the delay actually in the lack of agreement uh-uh the deadline that the europeans set for themselves until february 24 runs out this week on the symbolic date of the beginning of the russian invasion but now

the achievement of an agreement is in doubt , say brussels some breakthrough decisions were reached about fish, probably not much was said behind the scenes, the issue of airplanes was mentioned, and this is how the polish president spoke about it today , because it is the west, the decision of the obschak from ivany, the aircraft, if the decision is approved to supply ukraine with fighter jets, then of course we will offer our post-soviet mig-29 aircraft , the last one we somehow still have for ukraine. it is good because the ukrainians will be able to use them right away, they have two pilots to fly on them. but will there be more? will depend on the agreements that i will reach only together with our allies. thank you bohdan for your story with us , our european correspondent

bohdan tsyupan was in direct contact from warsaw in the security council , an extraordinary special session of the general assembly of the oun, which is expected to adopt a resolution, the principles of the un charter, that lie at the basis of a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in ukraine at the beginning of the meeting , more than 70 un member states were co-authors of the document, the main appeal of the resolution peace negotiations on the basis of the un charter, in addition, the resolution calls on member states to work together to eliminate the consequences of war, primarily those that threaten food and nuclear security, energy and the environment, the meetings at the un headquarters are monitored by my colleague iryna solomko. congratulations iryna so what happened the basis of this resolution and what it will mean if this document is adopted in a practical sense. greetings natalya, the ukrainian side would very much like this resolution

to be based on the so-called formula the peace of volodymyr zelenskyi, but still, the emphasis, the main emphasis of the documents is on the un charter, that any peace negotiations are based only on this document. and this assumes that there cannot be any compromises in the context of the borders of ukraine, and peace negotiations can begin only after the restoration of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine will be restored, that is , we are essentially talking about the borders of 1991, and this is such a direct message to russia, on what conditions ukraine and the world can accept these negotiations before by voting, debates are expected, who will participate in them and what support for the document ukrainian diplomats actually expect to see, yes natalya, initially, in principle, this meeting was planned for february 23, but when the diplomats realized how many countries want to participate in the discussion of the resolution, they decided to postpone

it for today to wednesday so that tomorrow by the end of the day, after all, to receive the text of the voted text of the resolution, because at the beginning of the meeting , as you already mentioned, it has already started , and 80 countries have signed up for speeches. that is, this a record number, many of them will be represented by the ministers who are coming to new york, not only to participate in this special session, but also in the special debate that will be held on friday at the security council, in particular, the idea of ​​the secretary of state of the united states states of anthony blinkin what is his speech expected in the general assembly on this issue tomorrow , as far as support is concerned, the unofficial goal of the ukrainian side is for the resolution to gain more than 140 votes and essentially repeat or surpass the success of zhovtnevy of last year's resolution condemning russia's illegal referendums on the occupied territories of ukraine, iryna, a number of countries have already declared their support for the resolution or opposition to russia, because the general assembly showed the strongest possible support

for the document. and so, a few days before the event, information appeared about the fact that an alternative resolution regarding a peaceful settlement can be offered by china, but this did not happen and as the diplomats explain, and in principle, china will never er play some game that is not a page with the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, mr. dmytro, a colleague, yes. he just said that russia is currently doing everything possible in order to reduce this support for the resolution as much as possible, and in particular, it is doing this , including with the hands of belarus, which introduced several rules, one of which for example, to completely exclude the mention of russia from the document or calls, well, that is, to stop supplying weapons to ukraine, and now you can listen to what mr. koliba tells about how russia is now acting, what russia is doing now, they are real

they are doing dirty work with the state members, they are refusing to vote for the result, the second one they put up as their proxy, belarus , which introduced amendments, amendments, too, series of amendments, russia is not to blame, in principle, if you briefly characterize characterize the belarusian amendments, now anything can appear , now everything is on the outside yes, it is very diplomatically beautiful , the idea will begin, i will make speeches in the assembly, but at this time, in the corridors, in the offices and on the phones , a bloody diplomatic struggle is going on , let's vote, it will take place tomorrow in the evening thank you iryna for this information with us on a direct call from new york was the straw for iryna on the eve of the anniversary of the full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine ukrainian authorities have documented more than 66,000 war crimes committed by russians in ukraine the united states admitted that russia committed

crimes against humanity in ukraine about this and also about the prospects of creating a special international tribunal to investigate the crime of russian aggression against ukraine and ways of bringing president putin to justice. my colleague oleksiy kovalenko spoke with batman skak, the ambassador of the state department for global criminal justice last saturday, us vice president malagasy announced the official recognition that russia committed a crime against humanity in ukraine, how will this statement affect the us policy towards russia and the investigation of war crimes in russia, this definition is very important because it demonstrates that we looked at all the evidence, evidence from open sources, classified reports of the russian defense intelligence agency, that russia is actually conducting

a large-scale and systematic attack against ukrainian civilians, it draws attention to the brutality of russia's actions, it will also lay the groundwork for prosecution in the future, it is very important to call a spade a spade, and they think this is exactly what vice president hamala harris did at the security conference in munich, which also admitted that russia is guilty of rape and murder torture and forced executions of deputies , secretary blinken stated that putin has been trying to destroy ukrainian identity since the first day. does this not meet the definition of genocide, in fact, crimes against humanity which we considered are precisely those that you voiced and executions are being prepared, not only civilian prisoners of war who are in russian captivity, as well as the large-scale use of batons. treated them we have witness testimony the third crime against humanity that we

have considered is sexual violence as well as a massive track national structure for deportation of ukrainian civilians, including, as we know, many children who were forcibly removed from the country and then sent to remote parts of russia, these are four crimes against humanity based on the study of which the decision was made, although it does not exclude that other crimes against humanity may be established or eventually genocide and all this rhetoric of russia that ukraine does not exist as such or is a national group that it is a fiction , similar things correspond to what we heard in similar situations where genocide was carried out it is about the brutality of violence, such as sexual violence, which has no military purpose or attacks on ukrainians who are trying to evacuate. ukrainian and international experts have often stated that they have seen many elements of systemic genocide

. during this year, do you think war crimes have become one of the main ways of conducting wars of russia, this aggressive war of russia is an aggressive war that russia is waging, committing war crimes literally everywhere russian troops have been deployed, starting with deliberate and selective and disproportionate attacks against civilian infrastructure and when investigative journalists and lawyers get to the place from where russian troops retreated, they see violence of a completely different order , it is between personal violence, torture, sexual violence, the issue of deportation of children, yale university recently published a report according to which 6,000 children were taken from their families in ukraine and forcibly deported to russia they have no contact with their families and do not allow contact with them this could also potentially be a third sign

genocide, it is very important to have a complete list of all children taken to russia. these children must be given the opportunity to contact their families. it is necessary to convince them that they will be able to do this successfully. this is the work of human rights organizations and, as you noted, the red cross. they must have access to different regions. or are in civilian custody to make sure that they are treated adequately and that they have direct contact with their family members at home after the meeting with the prosecutor general of ukraine in washington you noted that the layer is considering different options regarding the establishment of a special tribunal to investigate the crime of aggression by russia against ukraine, now a year after the start of the full-scale invasion, what is shai's position on this matter, a core of states has formed in europe that are interested in implementing various ideas regarding the establishment of a tribunal on the issue of aggression against the united states, participated in the last meeting of this group of the czech republic we are considering various options, the international

community is still studying which of the options would be the best, one of the models being considered is the creation of a hybrid tribunal, which would be by a ukrainian court, but would have a lot of international support, including potential judges, prosecutors, representatives of the russian defense forces, and at the same time, in the end , it would be a ukrainian court. other models are being considered. heads of state , what is the position of the usa on this matter, it is true that putin and his closest minister, whom we call the troika, the head of state, two governments and the minister of foreign affairs is used by the title of head of state in the courts of other countries, so if ukraine attempts to bring president putin to justice while he is

the current head of state, he will have the immunity of the head of state. in any case, it is incredibly important in many cases. it is necessary to take the accused into custody, and in all probability , if putin is taken into custody , he will no longer be the head of state. so he is not will be in a position to use such protection in january, president biden signed the justice for victims of war crimes act, which this law changes to investigate and prosecute only russian crimes in ukraine . these are very important changes that are welcomed by the administration and all agencies of the us administration. previously, the legislation allowed jurisdiction only if a us citizen were you a criminal in these military forces, that is, in the event that this crime was committed by a russian criminal against a ukrainian civilian, we would have no means prosecuting this crime would have to use other ways such as prosecuting migration fraud or

we could deport such people back to russia so this is a very important development the ministry has created a war crimes prosecution team and appointed lao rosenbaum as an advisor to the attorney general and they are focusing specifically on war crimes crimes committed in ukraine we will have to wait until the russian criminals come to the united states under some pretext and then we can use these legal legs russia's war crimes powers in ukraine can be compared to the time of judges against nazi war criminals , what do you think is the highest form of justice that ukrainians need , justisfo ukrainians, the world community has never been on the issue of justice, the level of attention is comparable to the period of world war ii, and the process is much work is more decentralized than then at the national regional level, a betrayal of europe and the eu, and

at the international level it will be a challenge for generations, but the world has formulated its obligation, these crimes cannot be left unpunished. thank you for the interview. you have watched the interview with the ambassador of the us state department on global criminal justice. and on our pages in social networks on the large-scale invasion of russia, we prepared a series of interviews with american officials and legislators, among them congressman democrat, co-chair of the group supporting ukraine in congress, mike quidgley the politician emphasizes that the war cannot be won by half measures and is in favor of providing ukraine with all the necessary military aid, including modern fighter jets, about how in washington they decided

what kind of aid to provide to ukraine in the first weeks of the invasion, about negotiations with moscow in istanbul, about the forecasts and realities of this war , the congressman told ekaterina lisunova let's go back to february 2022 what did you think then what were your predictions and expectations and a few months before that i thought it would happen a year before that previous spring the russians conducted test training on the border and then withdrew their troops. so there were people who believed that the russians would do the same this time. but i believe that american intelligence is not wrong in this case and the invasion will really happen. i was frightened that many in europe and in kyiv did not they saw, maybe it was a certain nadiya zelenskyi said that panic would harm the economy, i thought it would happen and we were not ready, it was a shame

to wait, then they said that it would be a modern blitzkrieg that the russians are mocking and fooling their attack and everything will end quickly, and the best and the brightest, we said the same thing, that's why we thought about how we would have to help ukraine in the event of a guerrilla war, and how we would punish putin, as well as how to prevent it from killing outside the borders of ukraine . happened. what surprised you when the war started? i think that many were struck by two things: firstly, the extraordinary abilities and spirit of the ukrainian people and the military ; the russians despite the overwhelming force. i think if the russians did everything tactically right , it would be very difficult for even the inspired and extraordinary ukrainian army to resist. last

year, i was twice on the border with poland and also spoke with western military leaders and american ones, and they talked about the terrible mistakes they made the russians and thank god, but i am afraid. what the russians will learn. this is why i am very worried when they are talking about a new offensive. what conclusions have the russians drawn? putin is changing his tactics, he has already done so. it's four or five times they change the military leadership they all have extraordinary power his disadvantage is that he doesn't have unlimited time and not the will to frontline untrained conscripts, a large part of their military power turned out to be ineffective in the end, this is not an ideal scenario for both armies in march 2022 there were talks between moscow and kiev in istanbul whose idea was to start talks during a full scale invasion i'm not sure how

that was decided from the middle but i always felt that the russians were never going to to really negotiate, there was always some other reason, among these reasons, an attempt to show the world that we are supposedly behaving in a balanced way, they need this to improve their image, it will be just to buy time, so their supply logistics had big problems from the very beginning. we never thought that putin really wants some kind of negotiations and i don't know if i ever really believed that a lot has to happen for that and even then i think that putin will demand things that are not acceptable for any person in their right mind as for ukraine yes and for the third, who would be a witness to putin's distorted thinking , believes that they have the right to occupy lands that do not belong to them, that they began to provide new military aid to ukraine in may 2022, what

discussions about aid were held then behind closed doors, what was planned to be provided and were there any questions or is it worth providing anything at all at the beginning the main question was what do they need how do we know what they need ukrainian congressional caucus marcy kaptor i and others asked members of the ukrainian council and representatives of the government what do you need instead president biden's office and the military talked to their counterparts so basically they asked what do you need how do you get it delivered as soon as possible then i made one of my first trips to the polish border on we met with the 101st airborne division of the us army and figured out how to eat yes, the american legislators went through an emergency training course, i don't think that many of us knew what ethics was, we didn't know what was needed, what it was and what actually works now, we and actually the whole world

, including the russians, have learned this war now we know what works, and what doesn't, most of the weapons are used during tests and maneuvers, it's like a laboratory experiment, only war can show what really works , so important behind-the-scenes conversations, some of them were public, were about what really works, what they need, how to deliver it to the ukrainians what do we need for this, in fact, the current questions are also about what they need, what actually works, for example, a german tank runs on diesel, it is easier to train and maintain american and incredibly powerful, it runs on a completely different type of fuel and requires different logistics, it will be much more difficult for you to maintain a mushroom house in germany logistically, i am closer, it is easier , she is nearby, so we will see new challenges with the development of this war, why then in may congress decided to include the law about lend-lease for ukraine to the first package of military

aid i think it was a simple term familiar to legislators and it was a plan that worked during world war ii, it directed the germans long enough so that the opponents increased their forces and the usa was able to enter the battle. so, i believe that this was a term that the legislators understood and were oriented in its mechanism, but hardly anyone really believes that it will be a lease or a kind of loan of weapons, i do not think that anyone expects that these weapons will be returned today we provided tanks, and it may not be there tomorrow, this is a war , do you support the provision of fighter jets to ukraine with measures, the war will not be won, i am not saying that we are now using semi-defenses, but i remember how the deputies of the verkhovna rada came to us. it was very powerful five women showed us notifications on their phones that a missile attack is happening at this moment and

they have children there one of them said something that really struck me she said that now weapons are humanitarian aid speaking of lessons can you you list mistakes and achievements achievements such as if you had told me in february last year that we would be sitting here today i would be in shock i would never have foreseen this the russian army was a scary bear and who would have thought that her real the insides will be revealed like this, they are still very dangerous, the rest, putin still holds important cards and he is capable of everything, including nuclear weapons, and this should scare anyone. it would be difficult to imagine the victories we have today, and again, who could have known what exactly will work in advance, what tactics were successful, what weapons, sometimes what we did not think about turned out to be amazing in practice, in particular ballistic missiles, ethics played an important

role. i think in the end, if we knew that this would not turn into a guerrilla war, we would more complex heavy weapons, but at the time it was hard to predict, watched the interview with the co-chair of the support group for ukraine in congress, congressman mike quilley, download the voice of america mobile application, the application allows you to automatically bypass blocking thanks to the built-in vpn service, read the news, watch informative programs and videos, and also listen to ukrainian podcasts voice of america, we will say goodbye to this . did you watch the ukrainian voice of america program? time. also join our daily briefings at 18 sometimes on youtube and on facebook, where i was live, you can ask our presenters your questions. thank

you for trusting the ukrainian service of the voice of america. i am nataliya leonova . have a good night and a good morning . we are looking for two sisters, victoria and eva zhuravlovyh, who disappeared in odesa on february 9 , the girls left voluntarily a specialized children's institution and no one knows where they are now, so i ask everyone to look carefully at the photo of the missing persons. 13-year-old victoria looks her age, she has blond hair, and the girl is 157 cm tall. one of the disappearances, she was wearing

a red coat a crimson hat and blue jeans her sister eva is 15 years old she has dark hair and is a little taller 170 cm the girl was wearing a white jacket a black hat and gray sweatpants if anyone has seen the crane sisters do you know where they may be now call us on the hotline of the magnolia children's search service at the short number 116,000 of which mobile operator is free, i have another story of the disappearance of a child, this time in kharkiv oblast , it is about five-year-old yaroslav major. i know that he, together with his parents, fell under shelling and in the end i lost my mother and father, yaroslav himself luckily survived the child, as if completely accidentally , he saved the godfather , the grandfather of the boy, who is now trying to find his grandson, told us about it. the history of his family says that the grandson and his parents met the war

in kharkiv and since the situation there was quite turbulent in the first days of the full-scale invasion, the family immediately decided to evacuate, they were in kharkiv alive apartments, and they are called war, they did not leave somewhere, they were under occupation, but there was no way to go, there was no opportunity, the kupyan district of kharkiv region was occupied almost from the beginning of the war, so for about seven months, mr. serhiy could not contact his family in any way, but he believed that everything was with them ok - five absolutely nothing to start at that time, i knew that well, you understand, and lugov's cube seems to be under occupation, they can blow it up there and it is not possible to go over the village, let me remind you that the liberation of kharkiv oblast was in september of last year by fighters the armed forces of ukraine quickly entered kupyansk, but kupyansk