[000:00:00;00] first of all, the west convinced itself that we are worthy of being supported, because we practically did not see this in the 14th, 15th, and 17th years, except for, let's say , diplomatic concern. we did not see the kind of help that would help. not to mitigate the threat from the russian federation or to cause more damage to the russian federation itself. we have seen a very slow debate about what sanctions should be imposed point by point, there was no determination. now, the determination is present and we see that only bureaucracy and wasted time preparing for repulsion aggression will slow down the provision of appropriate assistance to us but again uh i repeat that all our decisions have weight and consequences uh this must be realized especially when you are responsible there bureaucrat uh state

machine you must understand that if you do nothing this it can also be criminal inactivity, it's a pity that many people do not understand this and try to sit idly by or simply do nothing while in authority and then try to take advantage of the rule that war supposedly writes nothing will be written off and i will not forget anything. i think that otherwise we will simply expose ourselves to the repetition of these regrettable mistakes and again to the retribution. because life is a very strict teacher and he will definitely not forgive the mistakes that we allow ourselves to do, just make him pay for it. thank you, mr. andriy, andriy and teruk-officer of the resistance. free ukraine was with us, and now let's talk a little about what's happening, and

at the front, we are waiting for igor shvayka , a serviceman of the armed forces is already with us ukraine's minister of agrarian policy , as far as i remember . well, he is in the government. glory to ukraine in the first government of ukraine after the maidan that was formed. the battalion was transferred to a rotation to restore the personnel and give a little rest to the guys who kept the front line under their eyes and what are you doing now

? by the way , we are just watching that. of the armed forces that directly participated and for the whole country as a whole, i wanted to ask , what do you think, by the way, in this regard, about the fact that by order of the minister of defense they can also conscript employees of the military commissariats into the army. well, in fact , the employees of the military commissariats are in service because the regional territorial centers of the rtsk assembled equipment or the joint territorial centers, they also have their own facilities, and when, for example, we

left izyum, we left izyum as the place of our service, instead of us , the company of the protection of the raisin artichoke went to these objects . the situation is the same throughout ukraine, in particular in the kharkiv region, they have their own units, they carry out their service, they perform the same combat tasks of security and defense are not on the front line of the conflict, but somehow it was disconnected , although the connection was actually excellent, well, it happens when in fact there is just a parallel call , and then it just knocks the person out of the video connection, i hope that we will restore it, sir, we will restore it connection with mr. igor, in the meantime , you know, i want to s- there is already there is already there is already a subdivision they it is not much different, this is a conditional division, just as there is a rather conditional division of the armed forces into ground troops and forces of the territorial

there is no defense between us often enough absolutely no difference, because the law on the foundations of national resistance was written conventionally speaking for myrny at that time, which predicted the possibility of a war, and in the conditions of a full-scale war , the territorial defense battalions turned into absolutely normal military units of the armed forces of ukraine. such as land and so on. well, i have, i have ears and i hear a lot of purely everyday conversations on the streets somewhere and so on, when they say that they called my husband, but they themselves are such faces . i apologize, and they take bribes there and let they go to fight by themselves, why aren't they taken, for example, to the frontline? that's what people say, you know them, you can understand it, but you know the best experts in the court , the threshold of the court did not fall once, well, they know for sure that all judges are bribers, the best experts in the prosecutor's case, believe me a graduate of the prosecutor's faculty

of the yaroslav the wise academy of law , those who have never been in the prosecutor's office are the best at reforming the prosecutor's office , let's give military affairs a chance a sofa expert, well, communicate with each other and not with them, pay attention to them, are there any distortions? of course, there are cases of bribery , it is obvious that there are. with people for whom there are business interests and well, here is a small example. tell me, please , is january 7 in my country a day off or not a day off? it is a holiday. he is not a working day. what, well, six hours of working time, including the issuance of documents, we spent with the izyum e-e rtsk precisely on the seventh of january, and when i later paid attention to the dates of the issuance

of documents issued by soldiers to sergeants, and they ask, and you just wrote this in january i say no. it's just that january 7 was the day when we actually worked for these people . there are no saturdays and sundays either. well, i'm probably so lucky. i don't get real service and fortunately i can communicate with real people . are there any distortions? well, surely there is. these distortions should be blamed on the whole system as a whole , and these distortions that were directly corrected should be corrected. who see the situation from the inside, mr. igor, good day in russia, and it seemed to me that already in ukraine , well, this soviet atavism, especially after a year of a full-scale invasion, is something unreal

, but you are the one to say it right away something must be flying into that person, something difficult. well, it's just that it's silent about the one who, even today, congratulates some of their relatives who once served in the soviet army or even congratulates those who are currently serving in the armed forces of ukraine. well, those young guys, there is only one guy i wrote that i also congratulated him, and he said that it was so nice that she congratulated him with we have today with ours. there in viber or in some other messenger. so far, no one has had such a thing. so far, no one has to wait until the day after tomorrow, or to check whether this kind of thing will reach someone by chance, so far , god forbid. it didn’t happen last year or this year

, but here in your opinion, why is it in the people, why is it there after a year when they saw what these russian defenders are doing to the ukrainian people well, there is nothing strange , in fact, it is the inertia of the execution a-a inertial movement, it still remains. i am very glad and i'm happy that over the last year, well, for example, we greeted each other, glory to ukraine, when it wasn't even with a stream . what is the institution of greetings, you don't need to say hello, glory to ukraine well, i won't. i'm smiling, i say that's how we greeted each other for the last 15 years, but when it became the norm, it's very nice to me. two or three people years ago, let's go if there is a sin there, let's go with a holiday on february 23, because i took

the oath, then they congratulated each other, but today , well, some remnants exist. celebrate and they will celebrate on february 23, well, their specific weight has actually decreased significantly there, it has decreased dramatically, and they are no longer mainstream , they are already remnants there, well, by inertia, they live in the pond, one day he will leave them. and if he does not, then i want to leave with him ask this a more difficult question, mmm. i understand that sometimes there is no choice, but in war, i hope that the main idea is not to die, but to win and stay alive, and this raises the question that russia, having a huge mobilization resource that exceeds ours

significantly, we still have to maintain some well, how is it not possible, it sounds cynical, but what ratio of losses we can afford, and this is the main question , how to prevent as serhiy zgurets told us today, we have an expert in the hotel, how not to prevent the exchange of manpower like him also expressed himself, it sounds so harsh, but it is probably true. what is your opinion, in particular, based on the battles of your experience, the battles for bakhmut, for the bakhmut direction, somewhere a real meat grinder is happening, how do we, uh , do we keep that level, how should we maintain it in the future, so as not to don't go to this size. what kind of people do we have here? let's do it this way, if today we talk about motivation or about a conscious attitude to war, we will have a ratio of 1:10, and one of ours is worth 10 of theirs , and one of ours is an average, well-prepared, activated guys and

those who are not so well prepared are motivated. i take the average number there, they have 10 times more weapons, but we use ours 10 times better than what we have. if we have more weapons and this ratio changes, then we will work like this one to ten one to eight one to five uh we will still be better because we are protecting our own earth about the mood that exists in the russian federation there is nothing strange for me i listened carefully to their leader the day before yesterday what are my conclusions for myself did they very simple russia is before the long-term war against ukraine of the whole civilized world eh they are not going to give up they are not looking for another way of development their way of development is the collapse of their russian empire as we evaluate it but they are finding their eh the moscow-russian path of russian weapons and so on, they are not going to go

anywhere and we have to get used to it, you know that there will never be a peaceful life of yesterday, today will develop , you will develop dynamically, and we will we and our children and possibly our grandchildren will have to live with this stupid neighbor and if russia breaks up into 10 20 30 pieces , it will not be one monkey with a nuclear grenade . well, what's the difference, it's still nuclear weapons, it's still going to be residual potential and the main question. look, please , from my point of view, the death of one or another dictator will not change anything. scientists are in this world with more than 100 million extra people, similar creatures who don't want

to live in a normal regime, and putin's last name actually has absolutely little effect, there will be putin gerasimov navalny or anyone else there with an ancient russian name or like matvienko with a fairly ukrainian last name, nothing the mood of their country will not change, we just need to accept this reality, prepare for it qualitatively and ensure the development of our country, get used to living today during the war, live fully, do not wait for it to end quickly, it will not be at least our neighbor who attacked us and god gave us a gift, lord, forgive such a neighbor and tomorrow will not go anywhere we have to, we have already accepted it for the last year of the full-scale war and the war continues for the 365th day . the war against him has been going on in ukraine for nine years, since exactly nine years

ago the invasion of muscovites on ukrainian land began, starting with the shootings of my father's grave is located near luhansk in the town of lutugina, which i haven't been to for almost 10 years, and accordingly, this is all ours, this is the land, this is all our towns and forces, this is all our people, and today we just have to start forward absolutely adequately , understanding that it will be difficult er, the armed forces will have to fight and mobilization training should be our constant companions, er, to serve in the country, everyone must come to the army, everyone must, if you are not conscripted, you do not have the rank of sergeant or officer, then probably from the state apparatus and in business, you will be, forgive me for this comparison , a second-rate person, you will not be able to do it fully if you are not a reserve employee of some other service. but all the same, all

ukrainians must be integrated in one way or another . this matter is a general matter for the whole country by super-militarized well, but it is detailed. igor has one more question at the end of our conversation, after returning luhansk oblast, the part that is occupied. when ukraine returns it , will we be able to return those of our people who were under occupation and who were thoroughly brainwashed for nine years. even yesterday in those luzhniki we saw children from mariupol , they recognized them, they say that they are real children and these children were actually kidnapped and after killing their parents, then put them on stage, they were for the fact that they were taken into the arms of strangers and as if they thanked someone there, uncle yuriy, who supposedly saved them, uh, the answer to this question is very simple, i know the donbas very well, i

was born there and grew up with those people who are my compatriots, you should ask less and more to set very real tasks and then fairly pay for their labor participation and fairly punish for violations of labor discipline, this is the territory that must be brought under one's control, and not asked what exactly he wants to do and what are the exceptions in the russian language great russian culture or in simple god for some reason, he wants to do something in that region, it is necessary to send military people , er, forgive me for the modesty of people like me who have gone through a certain combat path, they have enough state management by civil-military administrators to build enterprises there to rebuild, to create jobs, to mix people from different regions with each other, so that they establish their close human horizontal ties, and to bring our

former occupied lands into a normal economic and social, political , cultural exchange. for several decades of work on the restoration of what the muscovites destroyed for several centuries. thank you very much, we know who we need to put there in order to return the people to the right path. thank you, mr. igor u there are many of us good people who went to a good school and civil, political, military. i think that we have someone to choose that randomly , returning again, and for those people who watch today, it is difficult to channel e. take your passport. data, tell me what kind of education you have, it is possible today and you are waiting in the armed forces, military units are located in their own way. believe me, a good team

, fresh air. well, as he said, the toastmaster is cheerful and participation contests thank you mr. igor igor shvayka, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, was in touch with us, and now we are adding to the conversation oleg hrybachuk, the head of the presidential secretariat in 2005-2006 , an economist, politician, the head and co-founder of the ua center, and we welcome mr. oleg to our air congratulations, glad to see you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes glory to ukraine i also wanted to say that such a group of ukrainian intellectuals and activists and public figures prepared such a powerful a document called the manifesto of sustainable peace, the world after our victory, actually the people who took part in its creation, these are very people . well, i would say so cool simply, and that is, there is also olya aivazovska from the pillar, the head

of the board, and i don’t know if it’s short, so yevhen hlibovytskyi is from the speech of the good man who headed the previous parliament in our country from european relations here and there and volodymyr horbach yaroslav hrytsak and orest the second li- ihor kuligushko is known for the construction not to climb too and there are cars and well, there are a lot of very, very very cool people, and among them, by the way, there is also our interlocutor, yes. if i’m not mistaken, oleg . so, tell me like this. yes, i didn’t sing , i just signed a signatory and well, and now i will probably be a popularizer and i, well, me why am i, why am i there, i have a very simple answer, the vast majority of people are there, as you said, i know that there is a nester group at the core, with which we

did interesting things at one time, and i understood this format, but i was always more effective at the promotion or advocacy stage certain things, and that's why i put my signature , and that's why i'm already working. i'll be here in a week, so it's going to turn out so, so i'm so simple, briefly about this list, so for the audience to say , realistically, if, uh, well, relatively speaking, the fsbb should arrest someone on the first day of the total occupation of ukraine, and they came out with this list, because it would immediately decapitate the ukrainian intellectual summer. that's how i would say it honestly without these compliments, so what kind of document is this ? why did all these people of the world of the nation gather together

what did they write, what is the essence of all this? hello, it’s quite simple from there, ah, well, it’s classic. and who , how else ? the question arises more and more often: and what will ukraine be like after the victory? we have no doubt that we will win, and especially this question, for example, why is it important to me because i have often been and will be a participant in discussions there with world politicians with world intellectuals who they are trying to find this formula for peace that ukraine has already presented, but the discussions continue and it was very important to do a deep study of this, as you know, there is a massage, such a massage when there well, you have been quietly stroked there. and there is such a massage that finds every pain point

and massages it. very painful points of the problem , which answers should be given and not avoided with appeals to everything and let's stop shooting , let's stop giving weapons to ukraine and sit down and therefore wash because of what is said here about what needs to be done so that the world will never face such horrors, and who but ukrainians is interested in this issue starting to be seriously discussed, because well, here i just had a very long broadcast on radio svoboda, a live broadcast of the speech e- president biden and your fellow journalist from svoboda when we started talking about the fact that it is inevitable that russia should be held accountable for those crimes because the vice president of the united states in munich

, camila harris, who, it turns out, worked in the prosecutor - the prosecutor's office, she is a lawyer, she clearly said that there is indisputable evidence of russia's crimes against humanity, it is documented, there are thousands of them, i have already heard that under 10,000 e-e episodes are documented, and therefore russia must inevitably be held accountable, the political leadership and all those who were e -e participants in these crimes they inevitably have to sit on the dock to create a structure of international instructions details biden the same in his speech he talked about the fact that a inevitably takes care to be responsible russia must be brought to of responsibility, and here is responsibility, and there is a question that is often encountered, because when you talk to the russians , and putin likes to say it, they roughly

say, well, what and what are you going to do to us, and when, uh, it is impossible to impose sanctions on some of us we have nuclear weapons and in general and and and the european world among these european liberals and this discussion is constantly ongoing uh, well , putin cannot be brought to justice, even if it is known that he gave the order to shoot down the dutch boeing, we heard life such information well, how are you going to do that and that is why these things need to be raised because if we do not give answers to the fact that a person who undoubtedly committed, you know , more severe crimes in the 20th year avoids responsibility only because he is the head of the state and now i was also the head of the state, but when i said this to your colleague , he said, well, he did not have nuclear weapons. therefore , before us is how to respond to

the challenges, how to make sure that the world community does not avoid, does not turn a blind eye, no, no, how the russians have would not be happy to be deceived because everyone they understand that russia should not be remade, is it not putin’s question that this is really created without precedent or a precedent, as hitler did between the two wars , the atmosphere inside the country when all the russians are small and big, they are sure that the whole world will turn against them, that the ukrainians - it is absolutely evil that there is no ukraine. in general, there are no peoples, there are territories of the great russia, which are located on uh, and on this territory, there are some kazakhs, ukrainians, or someone else, they live in this format, and that is why if you do not give the answer to this question if not if you imagine that we are ending the war ah now

there is a lot of talk about it, the anniversary of almost the attack , we are expelling the russians from the territory of ukraine and we are stopping there because it is clear to me personally and to the members of this group that is being developed in the sea, i also understood that then war will inevitably happen again, because if we do not disarm the russians, do not take away their nuclear weapons, do not do what the world did with the previous empires. we also know japan, which also wanted to create its own empire, we also know how it ended, that is, education in the world has these recipes , but now a problem will arise. to discuss, it simply disappears, it does not lead to serious discussions, but it must be said. it is good that

the ukrainians did it, and it is our task now, and thank you for raising this topic. our task is to make people think about it and encourage them to talk about it. to actions and not just to well and what a we can't do anything anymore . they have a nuclear bomb in this story about how to achieve stable, er , sustainable security development of ukraine. here is a story about the issue of the russian federation. the authors of this manifesto they say that ukraine should become a member of the european union or a member of the european union and europe and nato, two organizations . how good are we with that

we are dealing with what we need to change, because sometimes when you look at some trends in ukraine, they are sometimes more reminiscent of some scoop by scoop russia, even the current one. so, we have two minutes to answer, yes, first of all, from the point of view of the world community, we are already there, there is no question of ukraine - this is russia, one nation, ukrainians are on the front line, and the whole world, especially europeans, are confident that we are already in europe, and you can’t even talk about selling, because we are actually already at the forefront of nato, and a lot needs to be done. the advantage is that, knowing the logic of the ukrainian authorities, there is no option not to do it, because for president zelensky , it is perfectly clear for politicians that if we find ourselves in the gray zone again, well, then we will not be here, as it is a matter of negotiations or whether we will have a truce or we will break russia or this threat will always be the same with european

integration and with nato here it is almost obvious to me that most likely nato will be the first because that is how other countries went and now it is known a little er it is easier because we are actually there er we have to fulfill the basic conditions it's like for european european integration, the first kobelyatsky criterion, we have to build a fair judicial system and the foundations of democracy, and then, er, in other criteria, we er, we meet nato criteria, not only that, we have already integrated into this system. i would just like nastya to press one more thing, so that it doesn't look like you know how they are giving us a gift, that is , are they accepting us out of good will, because i have questions. and do we need such a european union as we have now members of the european union, which are, for example , conditionally, yes again, and do we need such