[000:00:00;00] it will actually work there, and what will happen to china, what will happen to the muslim world , we have to do all this, since this is our war, and this is a very simple question. because there is a simple formula, people who do not have their own strategy become a resource for someone else 's strategy, that's why we wanted to be a subject of international relations, they are one now in order to continue to be one, we need our own strategy that we will put on the heads of everyone else thank you to dmytro zolotokhin, the founder of the institute of the post-information society, the ex-deputy minister of information policy of ukraine was in touch with us. well, i will say goodbye to you on this. my name is khrystyna yatskiv . we will meet on the air tomorrow. tomorrow , ukraine will talk about the year of the great war with

the russian federation, and we definitely have what are the results, be with us all the ukrainian troops before the full -scale invasion, he was known as the co-founder of the democratic ax party, now he is a junior sergeant of the 130th battalion of the armed forces of ukraine, ter defense, on february 24, he was arrested in mariupol after fierce battles was wounded under mortar fire in the kharkiv region activist politician publicist tablogger historian by education and nationalist by conviction he was one of those who fought against the russian church and communist idols when he was not yet menstruating for his position he was persecuted and arrested tried his hand at journalism but the advantage devoted to politics, created together with friends one

of the first databases about separatists and pro-russian terrorists, which later became part of the peacemaker project, convinced that the mission of ukrainians is to bury the last empire the year of the full-scale aggression of the russian federation against ukraine, and how our country has changed , how people have changed and how you personally have changed . february 23, 2022, it's not true, we'll never go back there, uh, the country has a completely new set

of problems and the very face of the country is already completely different. the destruction of cities, houses, energy, i am talking about the fact that the demography of the country has completely changed, a huge number of millions of people have left, a large part of them will not return , we have to live with this, somehow change our lives, the financial and economic system of the country has changed, a large number of enterprises that we were oriented to, it has been destroyed the foreign policy situation has changed because, even before the great war, a significant part of ukrainian business was focused on the russian or belarusian region and now for all of us there is a simple choice, either we mentally, that is, we come to the point that we need to build everything practically from scratch, or we continue to live in illusions that something can be returned, i proceed from the fact that

nothing can be returned and we need to live in the heaven of reality in relation to the whole country , this is war, this is how it is for a person to get into a serious car accident, that is, you get some damage, you get some injuries, you get some injuries, and after them, your life continues, but it never it won't be the same as it was before, there are still scars, there are still things that don't work, there are still things that don't work , and it's not the end of life, but your life doesn't change backwards, and at some point you live long enough , how do people live with such rules, uh, people long enough er, they regret that everything is not the way it was. and at some point they recognize the new reality and start living in it, and then everything becomes normal and it will be the same with us, we

received very heavy damage, but life goes on and we have to do it as soon as possible recognize how you see ukraine after the victory, what should be done well, we understand that it will help us well, i hope that there will be help, but well, a lot depends on us, or well, what to do in order not to lose this chance yes for reconstruction for reconstruction for the restoration of political yes economic life has a very simple logic, every crisis and a war is the biggest crisis of all that can be, every crisis is simultaneously the opening of some window of opportunity . that is, you can treat the crisis as you like, you can perceive it as a catastrophe you you can perceive it as the last day of your life. you can also perceive it as the most terrible thing that happened in that life, but the best thing is to simultaneously see the opportunities that

open before you. of course, even before us during this crisis, a window of opportunity opened, this is a window of opportunities for joining the european union this is a window of opportunity for joining nato but at the same time, this is a window of opportunity to look around and see what was working badly in our country and to understand that after the end of the war or even while it is still going on uh, we can start from scratch and it's very cool. well, just imagine, uh, just remember something that we constantly encountered in life in the political, social, yes, we faced the fact that there is a huge number of uh, there are reforms that seem e are too difficult, i.e. too much must be broken, too much must be resisted, e must be forced in order to make some reforms, the judicial police

, yes, that is, the police there, but mostly there , the police remained as they were policemen, yes, economic, financial relationship to the relationship between the government, the people, and the social contract, this all seemed to us to be enough in a peaceful life, and despite the fact that the war lasted for 14 years, life was mostly peaceful for the majority of the population of ukraine, and it seemed to us that these stones are so big that we can't push them but war is like an earthquake and it moves a stone by itself and now while they are still in dynamics while they are still moving it is much easier to change that is just imagine there just remember what would happen in the same in kyiv or there throughout ukraine, if, until february 23 of last year, the state began to withdraw the laurel from the russian orthodox

church, and there was also incredible resistance there , there would be some kind of processions on the streets, and there were street fights, yes. now there is nothing , society is ready for decisive changes during crises, this is what happens during a revolution, this is what happens during a war. since the beginning of the great war, more than 70,000 war-related crimes have been discovered and recorded, this includes shelling , oh my god, tracts of murder, crimes against the civilian population, and a huge list of crimes, and first of all, our criminal code is not

very ready for them, well, frankly, let's name it there uh, because these crimes can be considered either as ordinary crimes, that is, individuals against individuals. and i think this is absolutely wrong , because the criminals were part of the armed forces of another state of the russian federation who came here and the current criminal code of ukraine can consider such crimes or as a crime against the personality of an individual, this is wrong because they were evil in the system of the armed forces of the russian federation, they came here on the orders of vladimir putin. if we consider only the crime of an individual bury and against an individual ukrainian, we will not be able to extend in this way, putin is held accountable. well, it doesn’t work like that, or there are articles about uh, violations of uh, rules of war, which are internationally recognized, but this is not enough, and in my opinion, we will have to completely

revise the entire system, create separate structures, transfer to them all the crimes committed by the russian federation during the war in order to, on the one hand, have the opportunity by law to go to this lanka from the investigation to the court and further to the sentencing and then transfer to the international court of justice and possible transfer to the - is an external development that can find the criminal tuber and bring him to justice by any means , by the way, many people say that well, we need to create such a structure or organization. yes, they wrote that they would even give her money reset we were looking for these criminals who are hiding there in the territory of the russian federation, like them. well, really , there should be some kind of specialized structure for this . what do you think, ah, here now, the ideas of most people, unfortunately, they do not coincide with other processes. i really want to create the same ukrainian plantation, but i see that

this problem entails three more and these three entail nine and how can they be solved but it will be a complex solution and it will be quite difficult for everyone first of all, it is. well, even an international tribunal is being created. it is being created and it will examine putin’s crimes. what is it that all these beautiful women and their henchmen have to hand over materials to them ? we have to provide them. we ca n’t now. simply in an absolute quagmire due to the huge number of those cases that exist because, well, in the current procedural system, we consider each weapon that flew into the territory of the city of bakhmut as a separate crime, so a separate proceeding is opened for it

a separate investigation is being conducted well, you understand that in the 14th year yes , and you understand, well, with the current intensity of fighting, what kind of paper pile we are creating for ourselves and we can’t find anything, we have to consider it from the other side, i will return to the issue of masat but it lies here, we must consider the current war as a consequence of the great plan of the russian federation to destroy ukrainian statehood, this is the only complex of crime - this is the complex of the russian federation from the very beginning of the ukrainian of independence planned to destroy ukraine as such, why i have a lot of evidence , including public ones, they themselves spoke absolutely frankly about it and that portnikov there mentioned that yeltsin there in 1991 or in 1990 said that russia would never let ukraine go and never

will allow her to be completely independent, the composition of the crime asks well, you can trace it from the very beginning of our independence or even before it, and when we consider all this as a single big complex crime , a separate part is included here, and there is a separate episode, for example, what russia sent killers to the euromaidan as a separate episode we can include here the annexation of crimea as a separate episode we can include anything and the battle near ilovaisk and so on and the like and this includes, for example , communists who were paid to shake up ukrainian statehood party of regions opzzh and all this is part of a big plan and a big crime that is incredible in terms of its scale, if we consider it like this, then first of all, we allocate for ourselves separate bodies for this, such as an investigator

, a prosecutor's office, and, accordingly, possibly a judicial one then there will be no problem, first of all, with the systematization of these crimes because we are now, remember the last situation when everyone ran and could not take away the title of hero of ukraine because the legislation does not allow an approach in such a complex will allow solving these issues and others arise even with smaller propagandists. and secondly, this approach is complex , it is not simple, it is the creation of a new, well, completely new e-link of structures, but it will allow to systematize all crimes and filter them who carried out or who gave the bloodiest orders and, accordingly, uh, hand over to some power structure uh, a short list for practice. let's say, just like it was done in conditional israel, we should at least make archives, we should make a catalog and we should make a register of these persons

who took part in crimes because after the capitulation of the russian federation, we can put absolutely real language to publish this list of people who created who specifically created crimes against ukraine, the ideal situation for us is if we receive this a list of people already knowing what crimes they committed under what circumstances, where are there witnesses , where is there evidence of this crime so that we can, in the presence of the entire international community, hold a completely transparent fair trial and sentence them to what the ukrainian legislation sentences them to this is an ideal situation because there is a law in this, there is justice in this, and in this we do not violate any international norms, but we have to be prepared for the fact that, ah, some part of these people will not be able to be caught even by the russian federation, or it will catch them to cover up or it will no longer be the russian

federation , there are several states that will be in some kind of strange relationship with each other, but we still demand justice, we still need it, we still have to punish this list of criminals and then with this list which in we are there, we can transfer it, and at least to the main directorate of intelligence so that it processes it, and the main thing here will be that we give them a list of, for example, 50,000 criminals, but they have uh-uh work- there must be some uh-uh marking or some kind of system which just verifies and arranges them as you know as a rating yes what is this number criminal as in the usa as the fbi yes this is criminal number one this is criminal number two this is criminal number 10 this is criminal number 3324 that is, so that no structure can cope with the search at the same time 70,000 people are still abroad or 100,000. yes, we must first look for no more criminals, then

those who are smaller, then those who are smaller, then those who are smaller, and this task is not. she will need a huge amount of our human resources and resources, including financial and personnel, because the right personnel are needed here. and the most important thing is that we have to build the right logic here, because if we agree to simultaneously hunt down 30,000 er, russians or 300,000 or a million russians and we will simply destroy the system itself and we will not achieve anything, but it is real as it is, what do you see our victory, what should it be if you imagine this day, for example well, how

should he be ideal or as a historian perhaps on some examples ah why not ah it will definitely be a good day it will definitely be a happy day for all of us and i think that uh hmm news about this will come from sevastopol for some reason i have such a suspicion because uh right now of all the territories captured by the russian federation, it is crimea that is the most protected and the most difficult to take, so i think that the war will end there , well, at least, that's what military practice tells us, because the mountainous peninsula is fortified, well, most likely it will be there a-a hmm but er, i don't think that hmm we have

a hundred percent guarantee that the war will end precisely on this, because if we, uh, again, while we are sitting here with you and talking , if we imagine that, uh , an incredible brilliant operation took place at the front right now , and we went completely to the borders of ukraine in 1991 year, this absolutely does not prevent the russians from firing at us with calibers and or daggers from their territory, and this is absolutely not enough to say that the victory is already final, the final victory will be the capitulation of the russian federation and its acceptance of our conditions in among which will be the punishment of criminals, because for me personally, it will not end until all these scumbags who committed crimes in buch, irpen, marik , kherson region, until they are all punished , well, for me, the war and for a very large

number of soldiers, the war will not end, which do you see the future after the signing of the capitulation for russia. if you take yes, again, as history, as a russian riot, yes, i held on, to be honest, i do not think that there will be a riot as a riot, because ah, russians, despite this beautiful phrase, russians riot quite rarely er, they willingly slide into some civil wars or something. our state is like that, but rebellion as a rebellion is not peculiar to them in fact. but if we look at it from a historical point of view, russia is the only fragment left from the beginning of the 20th century. it is almost an empire. all the empires that existed at the beginning of the 20th century, they were destroyed as a result of either the first or the second world war, a significant austro-hungarian empire was destroyed, the ottoman empire was destroyed, the german

empire was destroyed, fell apart, assembled a new one as the third reich and was destroyed again, and the french empire ceased to exist the british empire ceased to exist and only the russian empire continued to exist in one way or another. but it , after all, even the first world war struck something, and it began, you know, like a broken heart, it still pulsates a little, that is, if we look at map how russia's borders have changed over the past 200 years, then we will see first, it swelled there in the 19th century , then the first world war began and the russian empire collapsed, shrank and began to pulsate, it increased a little like the soviet union, but still did not reach those the borders that existed in the 19th century fell apart again. when the 91st year came when the soviet union broke up and now it again tried to expand a little at the expense of ukraine and

belarus and the georgian lands and transnistria. now we think that there will be a new pulsation and it is speeding up that it will now fall apart again and gather itself in an even smaller form because russia as such has actually been elected. we're all americans here and all within the nation, all races are mixed and it is such a melting pot, as they call it, the russians did not go that way , there are separate national republics in which the relations with the russians, with moscow, and with each other are very difficult, and there was also a second option for russia to say that a- and we give independence to all national republics and we remain a republic only for the russians yes, and they did not go this way either because it

contradicts their imperial spirit, and what is the third option in which they are now trying to live by combining everything. it is still alive as an empire, it is not, it does not have the opportunity to be long-term. well, such countries simply do not have a place for a long time. our mother, you set an example with a heart. yes, but the military defeat came faster than usually it does not happen, and now it will be stitched together . we and the western countries will react correctly and show that we are ready to support

this parade of sovereignties, then we can expect the appearance on the map of new independent republics that were now the russian federation and it will be more correct for all of us because then moscow will be forced to deal with them and diverting resources there, and this will only speed up our victory in this war, as you met a year ago, the beginning of this war . on february 23, tyra and serge marko and i went to mariupol as volunteers and spent the night there. we did not have to go to marik at all. we had to. i had to go to upper toretsk. it is between horlivka and donetsk, there is the position of the 503rd marine infantry battalion , and they have the mariupoli base

. i don’t know what people stayed there. 10 well, in short, not very many, and we stayed there to sleep, we did so often, and it woke us up at four in the morning. there the major said that according to the charter during an attack on the base, everyone is obliged to defend with all their might means therefore wear it please take your weapons and go protect you, and accordingly, at the beginning of the war, we already patrolled this base, she tried to help with something, actually, we were patrolling, and i was there for a couple of days, i already had a contract in my hands at that time with the 130th battalion of the territorial defense of the armed forces of ukraine, ah, we went from there, we still got to verkhnyotoretskyi, and we handed over what, but

i don’t remember whether to hand it over to the second or the third, and after that we returned to kyiv. i established of his battalion well and accordingly kyiv kyiv oblast irpin kharkiv oblast our task in the kharkiv oblast was to reach the borders with the russian federation from the side of belgorod oblast, uh, somewhere halfway there, i got wounded, and the battalion reached the border and won the battle. war for you is the second after the wound well, because on the first day, if you didn't have to worry, if you didn't really have to, and because, well, there it was unclear whether you would survive, you still wouldn't survive, and because if all other problems, you took a back seat, and the second

the day you try to look at yourself in the hospital, you try to understand what life will look like now because it looks like they went there well, frankly, not very ah hmm , namely from the fighting, well, the day the day of the injury was difficult, it was an assault by the russians from lada mentiivka is near the belohorod highway and there were many difficult people , but also many very difficult, but the company is great, good about the injuries, how is the rehabilitation going , the doctors did everything they could, now he needs several hours of rehabilitation with a rehabilitation specialist every day, he needs a leg, develop an arm developing money is difficult, but it was worse and it could have been worse, so there will be no

regrets . how did you come up with the idea of ​​adaptive clothing? i was already treated in kyiv when i was evacuated, er, because my arm was simply dislocated, there were always those with my leg, the same story, plus the leg is still going, my arm was bent, semi-paralyzed, er, and well , i actually couldn’t put on normal clothes. lying around naked is also such a dubious idea because uh, well, you all know very well from the way a person is dressed, from whether he starts us, or hmm, does he understand himself, or does he perceive himself as beautifully dressed, well-groomed, clean, and so on , depends on his psychological state, which is very important during illness or injury and accordingly, it was very uncomfortable. and uh, that i couldn’t get dressed without impartial help, and uh , someone brought volunteers in shorts that seem

to have velcro and also emphasized that, unfortunately , such clothes are not enough, and i, because of one of the surgeons, uh institute of traumatology came out on a --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------) this money is used for clothing and we distribute it to hospitals where a soldier is being treated with injuries to his limbs, and there are a lot of volunteers and we did it before this and started doing it after this story, and still, for the sake of it, there is not enough, anyway, well, this amount wounded that well plus every person is desirable have, of course, one t-shirt and one pair of pants. yes, if you have to change

it periodically, yes, but it’s still not enough. well, sooner or later, we will come to the conclusion that it will be some kind of state program in our country, relatively speaking, that is, in the event of an injury or in the event of a similar injury yes, a person will simply be given such clothes in the hospital, but for now, with such a number of wounded as we have, well, even about that. well, it’s too early to talk. well, about the state program, did you talk to someone? i don’t like doing things that don’t make sense. honestly saying and i understand that with the current heroes in the budget and the destroyed economy , we still lacked such uh expenses uh i think we can take and i will talk