[000:00:00;00] and the stone and the main thing is that in this struggle, then all these cornerstones should not be dragged to power. i think that today at the press conference of volodymyr zelensky, he will be asked a lot of unpleasant questions about this, because there was such a public consensus that we conditionally speaking, we do not criticize there until a certain time the actions of the president and his government team in general, but when some red lines are crossed, i think that society is not ready to turn a blind eye to such facts, and it seems to me that it would be fair if the president i would react to those facts and i would speak about them myself. such a position. well, unfortunately, yuriy butusov will not be there to ask, for example, this

question , but here he refused accreditation . will voice those questions that are current and relevant viktora viktora shlyanchak, chairman of the board of the institute of world politics and head of the information agency , the chief was with us, little by little, our part with andrii seychuk of today's marathon dedicated to the year of the anniversary of the great war and for gas with us for a whole year and we are staying we are actually watching further on our air on the air espresso interview of our correspondent vitaliy bakumenko from lilei samai link this is a scout of the azov regiment already famous for the national guard of ukraine defender of mariupol a-

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megogo , ilya samoilenko, a legendary fighter of no less legendary azov, with the call sign gandalf, went to fight in 2015 year, at that time he was studying to be a historian, but the desire to be a warrior turned out to be stronger in 2017, he was injured , since then he had a prosthesis instead of his left hand, but this did not stop ilya. he again learned to practice with weapons before a full-scale during the invasion, ilya went to mariupol. samoilenko was among the hundreds of soldiers who remained under siege during the bombing in the underground tunnels. he stopped there and told the whole world about the fierce battles in the city. the soldiers refused to surrender. until the order of the top military leadership of ukraine came , he was held captive for 120 days and returned home as a result . exchange in september of last year

i am sure that the main battles of azov are still ahead and ukraine cannot lose the war and there is only one option victory how did you meet the first day full state of invasion, where were you in mariupol at that moment, for sure, yes, technically, i was at the urzuf base, this is one of our bases near mariupol, well, the first day. it was, well, the 24th . in the right place with the right people, i met my brother with my unit , you knew that you had to be at that very moment. that is, you felt before that there would be a full-scale invasion, and at that moment you had to be there. well

, i knew how i felt - that something will happen obviously starting somewhere from the month of november, i think. that's where all these reports from mh6, from american intelligence, our european partners from the main intelligence agency, and so on are waiting. it's just how we are. and how did we feel? how did i personally feel what i saw? that everyone thought that it would somehow resolve itself. well, nothing would happen. well, really, from the point of view of perception, these were imaginary things. as i said then, i say the same. everyone was on us there are no possible levers of influence, there are no economic, social, cultural, and in some places also political, it is cool to break through. because , as they say, as they say, carl von clause gave his famous famous book about war that war and the continuation of politics by other methods.

but um the russians didn't need to start uh and half the scale of the invasion in order to have an effect on us to continue to have an effect they could have amplified it in other ways about how it seems to me yes they decided just change the rules of the game and challenge not only the security in the region , yes, as they say, a geopolitical base there, a geopolitical balance there, but they challenged the system of collective security in general and, well, in the world order. that after the second world war, in that civilized country , they began to negotiate with each other yes , yes, there, to distribute spheres of influence there, not because of hostilities there, but because of innovative sectors of the economy, because of the correct structure of societies

things are more progressive, yes, through soft competitions , for example, a more effective system, well, the truth is, the russians decided well, i can't get into my head. show someone something. yes, there is a character who wants to play at a table with big players . i'm talking about military resource, yes, it must be freed, and in such structures as empires, yes, russia is, in one way or another, throughout its long history, well, large in terms of terms , years, it was its empire with absolutely clear, clear imperial characteristics , the first of which is the need for expansion many other empires there in the past years there past millennia also had this

characteristic and expansion was necessary because the empire cannot live at the expense of itself it cannot develop at the expense of uh orderly, calm progress, and revolutionary steps are needed, the seizing of new territories, the rise of national national consciousness and national pride, well, if it is at all, well, it is permissible to use such words there in the direction of russia, well, because i think that it is not entirely true, well, well as a result, a new, well, a new round of capture is obtained , the national rise is resting on its laurels, and it is necessary to capture in another way. well, this empire will simply, well, collapse. actually, it is our task to stop it this development is the origin but again, um, a lot of attention is paid to russia even now, after a year of war there, although we first of all need to concentrate on our issues

, on our problems, because this is a big distraction factor, well, that is, you can understand very, very well there in their internal systems, yes, there are their politicians in their financial and economic system, in the way they are strongly affected by sanctions, you can read a lot of analytics, for example, in prominent world leaders, you can look there all investigation of groups engaged in research there, for example, there is pressure on the position of russia in russia and so on and so on and so on a lot of things can be done, but that's not what we need, well, actually, but it might be very interesting for someone, well, it's worth stopping at this is because well, you can conduct very interesting experiments there with the life of insects, for example, yes, but when the house is on fire , yes, it is not the time to choose curtains, or as a historian and a military man, tell me how

empires die in general, and what is our role in this ukraine, well it's a small country, and it's in a state of war, how can we blame this bloody empire? well, it's a little bit wrong, i'll correct it, we're not a small country, we're a big country, a big country with a big history with big people with big roots and with a big heritage that many ukrainians even well, they don’t even appreciate it, they don’t know about it, they reject it, yes, but they come to perceive their ukrainian to the exclusion of reactionary yes, and so on, that is, well, this is a typical example, a lot of people there switched to the ukrainian language subscribe there on the 24th, because earlier it was more comfortable for them to use russian. okay, that shouldn’t be a motivation for this, that is, you have to love ukraine, not against anyone, yes, and for ukraine, that is, well, it’s not out of spite for my mother from

frostbite, it’s not and it’s not that at all it can’t possibly apply to here at all, but the same thing, for example, there with ukrainian -language content on er, i experienced there all these years , er, how did it transform, how was it created on well, first of all, it started well, first thing in the first queue there are continent makers there in social networks, there on youtube and so on just an alternative yes, then anything was done, but in ukrainian yes, the quality suffered because of this, but the content should be first of all high-quality on well, it somehow rose , somehow all this was formed, okay, well, that is, it is also important to understand that well, i am talking about it here what's up? people are reacting to the perception of their ukrainian, but maybe that's how it will be. and yes , the final result is impossible because

, returning to the actual question , how can a small country resist a large empire there? how will the empire be destroyed, the empire will be destroyed, but simply for this, people must understand that we are not a small country, and people must also understand that only by combining efforts and understanding the personal responsibility of everyone, then it is possible to somehow predict , plan the result, because, well, words are simple words yes, there are words that can in a certain way change the society there, change the consciousness, but simply, well, these should be very powerful words, and another huge point is that nothing is given just like that and here it is after a year wars yes, i already see such trends in society that people think that simply by believing in themselves, by simply believing, as here is the mantra we repeat, i believed in the armed forces, boys, well, boys

and girls, yes, you need to not just believe in the armed forces , you also need to understand that what if not may be useful. actually, this is direct military propaganda , if that's what it is, because lately i've also seen such a very shameful tendency for people to transfer responsibility from themselves to someone else, as always. we have to fight. as you see the collapse of the russian empire as soon as possible, we are in the wagons, but here, look at the moment. yes, we all dream of a date for the implementation of that plan that is drawn on the map in budanov's office . where is the map, very very interesting, very good. personally , i think it's nice for contemplation, but uh, for example, for our western partners

, yes, a more pleasant and more favorable system is a system of controlled chaos, well, that is , blocks, and let's see really in the championships, everything that russia has, well, nuclear weapons, if they are distributed there and will be to gonize a few dozen or so smaller states there, well, it will be several dozen smaller states with the same problem, and it will be absolutely impossible to control all of them , well, it will be absolutely impossible. well, that's why , frankly, it's the politicians' business, well, i'm a military man, it's my business military and well, it’s just a long case, i just go there now, not at the location of my unit. and now in kyiv, yes, because a lot of work is being done. also here, and well, we do what they ask us to do and even more. well, we did it as before and i

i am optimistic enough to look ahead because there is a demand for our experience in society and in other units of the armed forces, and we are happy to share this experience. well, this is absolutely normal practice, in order to help people do better in a critical situation. and tell me when you realized that you do you want to be a soldier is a very difficult question. to be honest, when i joined the service, i planned to serve a certain period of time there, and well, damn it, in those realities, in the 16th year, there was hope that there was. we are going to a decisive offensive there we are recapturing the territory the war will end, and we will all be there. how are you all volunteers? yes, we will calmly go home there. we will continue our civilian life. we will just live as

we used to. well, not everything is so simple. what do i want to be a military man? yes, when i returned to my word before a full-scale invasion, well, this is simply returning to the same thesis that at the right time in the right place with the right people. well, again , very often recently somehow there are people in the media there, or they have a peculiarity of personalities there, but i will say something else, well, it just so happened that i became a media person here, but in my city there could have been another, many others . that's why we just don't show all of them. so, uh, there is strength in unity the strength is in the ani unit, not in individuals, although our unit is azov. we strengthen the abilities of certain individuals and use people as effectively

as possible. we maximize our human potential , because we know how to correctly combine these equations, even in order for a person to be effective, more effective than it will simply be if she is assigned somewhere in a commanding order yes and against her will well, somehow, this is the formula of productive equipment, can you say so, and is there some, you know, some philosophical way of a warrior and what should it be in your opinion opinion well, look, this is a very extensive question . it can have several approaches. yes, there are types of european, asian, ancient epic , organic, and so on.

they don't belong to us, they belong to society , we give them to society and don't ask for anything back well, because these are the rules of the game uh, we don't do it there for the sake of some mythical public good there or simply for all the good against all the bad, no well, we understand that this is correct , but before giving orders, giving commands, you have to learn to obey it yourself, this is the basis in principle. well, this is the basis, the same with service , that is, if you understand that you are dedicated, you dedicate yourself in society. well, then it is possible absolutely new horizons of perception are opening up, the difference, for example, between people who chose the conscious path of the military yes and people who were forced to become soldiers, although the same can be said, for example , about our volunteers there in the 14th year, they, well, no

they wanted it forced, but all the same, people decided to make a choice . yes, that's why now there are certain nuances, but even if a person was simply mobilized. well, as of now , there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. to understand grasp this truth that well first of all good day you are in the army well there is nowhere to go and the situation in our country is so very very critical well it is really so uh you have to maximize your potential and your effectiveness because of what you perceive reality as it is, you don't build castles in the air there, you don't draw illusions , you don't try to escape from reality, although reality can be very, very unpleasant and very traumatizing, painful, from which

you definitely want to run away, and i never i condemn people who are going through difficult times, because of difficult conditions, because of difficult circumstances, yes, somewhere they find some kind of relaxation, for example well, but you also need to understand that there is no relaxation moment in order to simply exhale, that’s ok, but to fall, for example, in pique e- it's self-pity, it's already wrong, it's new well, if we all stick together, then well, no one will collect piles in a society traumatized by war and everything is traumatized by war, and this is a reality that is impossible not to perceive and how it is on the internet often people are converted into donations, yes, i convert trauma, productivity, let it be compulsive, let it be breccia somehow compensatory, let it be, but you just have to work a lot, work a lot, but there is no

unified scheme for that, well, all people, all people are different, all people have personalities, and there you can find an approach to each but it is also worth understanding now that you can sacrifice your personal life for the good of society, because if we don't do it now , well, you may not be there personally. of course well, this is well, it’s absolutely normal, normal things, well, i bought them to keep myself well, about the details there won’t be much to talk about there , well, there’s especially a lot to talk about but, again, i don’t visit all the time, but if necessary, i knew who to turn to and i know who to well, who can help there, for example? well, the situation is also absolutely normal, but there is no

need to stigmatize certain conditions of people there, especially if a person has gone through a mental trauma there. well, how many people, like almost everyone, oh well, the only thing is that the help must be right. so that it's not easy to normalize the traumatized state of a person yes and to clearly define the boundaries between the norm and the abnormal yes because there is a lot of modern modern practice there psychologists simply normalize pathological conditions on the yes and this is wrong it is possible right there developed western societies yes where people try to perceive themselves as they are, yes, not because of striving for the best, not because of self-improvement. or are you simply because of accepting yourself as you are with all weaknesses and so on, motivating it by the fact that it is helphi wave la but well, it is a little wrong yes and

if we had a goal a little higher. yes, and we have health care for a downpour, we have some kind of downpour right now, but we can think about quality. then you will know it. one of the main postulates of tactical medicine. yes, we are changing life for a healthy one because when we save a person and in direct conditions, yes, we first think about life, but then about health, and enough of such a rough analogy, well, quite a rough analogy, well, about that . it's worth applying what military training is psychological, some kind of special, well, we understand that there is military training. perhaps there is also psychological training. i am asking because well, for example, yes, in case of being captured. well, how do you behave there , how can you withstand all this load ?

well, what were you going to buy, well, an interesting question, well, first of all , there was no specific special psychological training in our country. well, it was not conducted, and in general, for all the armed forces there, i can say that such a phenomenon as mpz is a moral and psychological support, but as a psychological help, it was always considered quite secondary. so , i consider this a shameful practice. well, this is a reality, so i don’t blame anyone . it’s just that it is because they are usually referred to officers there who are engaged in the moral and psychological support of demobilized citizens and so on . well, how about people who simply occupy a place in the staff, it is not considered correct because it is important, uh, in our country, we carried out effective actions

regarding the reformation of the general service of personnel work, that is, and the deputy for work from the same staff, yes, this is a person who can perform all the functional duties of the commander, because he is his deputy . plus, he has a very wide range of powers and responsibilities so it doesn’t end there with cultural and mass events , yes, there’s a mouthful there in the cinemas, yes , there’s a concern of folk art there, or there’s a place to read, for example, some historical literature, and so on. well, that’s it. it also happens to be useful. well, 100%, but it is necessary. well, in order to get a feel for your unit . yes, you need to constantly communicate with people. as a matter of fact, they create the atmosphere of the unit . that's why it's very important there are elements of preparation. well , you can never prepare for half the first time

. well, the first rule, uh, the first rule that concerns the half, you don't get captured the second rule well, look at the first rule, everyone went through it and goes through it in their own way, and people react differently, i just, well, in short, for example, about my personal perspective. yes, i can talk there only about my case, or i know. situations where people have a completely different reaction to other consequences and we are different, that's why there have already been moments when the media asked me yes and i said like the cities well how did it really happen yes how did it all unfold

there is weather, water, etc. well, it was accepted there by certain other military personnel in different ways because some are more lucky and some are less lucky. and here it is about training, well, look , they are preparing for war, yes, how we always trained soldiers. yes, there is one basic language, yes , it is a moral readiness to kill and to be killed are the three rules of the game, then you accept them and, well, you begin to understand a-ah well, it seems nothing well, nothing complicated at first glance, but still there is a constant struggle of the natural self with the supernatural self, well, this is in a personal perspective, but when you become a part of something a larger part of a unit on a platoon branch against a battalion of a brigade regiment then this is my place, that is, a military unit is a single large living organism where everyone must be in their place where every cog must be correctly

positioned and turn as needed so and then and then there is a moment of coherence , then a moment of e-e balance. and then there is a moment of combat effectiveness. and all the other things. they simply tighten up and take their place if the units have time to properly educate there is a certain correct constructive atmosphere, so this one succeeds, well, in parallel with the high anniversary of combat training, but now we, well, the general trend in the country is that we cannot, for example, provide ourselves with the level of combat training that we would like to provide, as by the time of a large-scale invasion, when we can to spend years on training people to sharpen them , to polish their skills and experience , and only then let in more prepared

or parts. ways to effectively solve problems, let's talk a little about the war, and we're waiting for the announced one, yes, yes, another offensive, yes, the russians, do you believe it ? well, if it happens, what will be the scale? that is, there can be a lot of reasons, but again, how to properly feed before the offensive of the russians, how to prepare the offensive itself. well, that's all, that is , it's completely uninteresting now, well, from my position, yes, that is, i'm speaking exclusively for myself . yes, eh well, there is no difference, they cook it there there in a month in two in three there in four in a week i don't know where we're going i don't know when maybe it already happened but it was a little bit so flabby uh what's the situation

we shouldn't constantly look back at the actions of the russians when planning our actions we must be concentrated and focused on our own actions. well, we shouldn't sit there thinking about rabbits with a constant news feed . yeah , yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. something says that it will be there in a month yes, and the cia says that we will be like that in two. oh, just what is he doing? we need to prepare our forces . we need to change the way of thinking of citizens who have not yet changed it. we need to be more actively involved in military training. well, if a person, for example, still hesitates to serve him there or not to serve well, maybe he will just finish some civilian courses there, although well, i'm more in favor of letting a person just register, yes, and be ready, just, well , at the right time, to be in the right place with the right people, or just in advance there without waiting for a summons