[000:00:00;00] but on the other hand, the speaker of the house of representatives, a republican, said that we will not give a carte blanche to a blank check to ukraine , although in fact he never explained it, and therefore there is a short -term incentive for their desire. sides, we see a historical example when the annexation of crimea and the donbas territories took place, and obama began to oppose putin, but apparently he hoped that hillary clinton would finish it after him, and hillary clinton did not get into the white house, therefore baidan here historically understands that it is impossible to leave nothing to be completed, not to one's successor, not to one's successor, not to the next president, one cannot hope and count on the other side of the dark side of me, the only thing that is happening here in the long run . we will be with ukraine for as long as it takes

. therefore, in what kind of global universal sense will this war last ? the united states will support ukraine , but there are also realistic plans. it would have been good to finish the next six months . let's move on to the next topic and to the next guest correctly i understood so correctly - we understood correctly so did the next guest mykola knyazhytskyi people's deputy of ukraine congratulations mr. mykola mr. mykola we haven't seen him yet no we can see it we see it's nice to see you mykola, let's wait 20 seconds. that's all. and you. let's ask you , mr. mykola. what did you do on the 24th? if we're already full, then we'll ask everyone. mykola, what did you

do on the 24th exactly one year ago? mykola knyazhytsky is a little bit not very good with the connection, let's go. in a minute, i will answer you. ok, okay, no questions, no questions, no questions. well, what did you ask about china? and what do you think about china? well, let there be serious interference on the side of russia, what does serious mean? well very loud very sell very much weapons and it is not time to wish for a minimum defeat of russia, even if it is not going to be sold loudly, we can see according to this chinese plan that the first moment is really interesting - these are the sanctions against themselves, so that there are no sanctions except for the un security council, that is, that never this means that there should be no sanctions because if there is no force against russia against russia, this is also how sanctions mean china. once this is one

point, it is very important. another point is that there should be no nuclear weapons. this is what the chinese will demand from russia in exchange for victory, and i for support, sorry, this is support, but for putin's illusion of victory, this is the second moment. the third moment is very important. the third moment is that economic ties were preserved during the war. there are also economic ties in this regard . this is what concerns them. everything else they will help . brains, yes, it's true. i'll ask you. mykola. what do you think? let's start with this. let's start by talking about china , and then we'll talk about the 24th. china will help russia. mykola put it in september . well, china is already helping russia because china is voting everywhere. e against ukraine under at the time of the last resolution at the un, he also voted against ukraine. the question is whether he will help russia with weapons. this is a very good question. we know that american

intelligence says that they are ready for this . we are trying to stop them in every way. certain enterprises, because china is economically much more dependent on foreign markets from the united states of america and the european union than russia, in which the raw material economy china makes and sells electronics is the only thing that can hold them back so, on the 24th, yes. what was mykola knyazhytsky doing on the 24th? please tell us. he was preparing for an attack. this is true because , well, let's start with the fact that we talked with italy before that, and i was somehow convinced that this attack would be it was perfectly clear to me that while the olympics are on sale, then everyone was convinced that because the embassy had left, documents were burned in the russian consulate in lviv and in

the russian embassy in kyiv. there was also the american embassy and other embassies of the eu countries did not leave without kyiv, and even if the ambassadors did not leave , we understand very well. this is the evidence of the people, the data of their intelligence was er. this will not be done. therefore, it was supposed to happen after the end of the olympics, which ended on the 22nd or 23rd , but the 23rd is the day of the russian army. i think that it was possible with my slightly dizzy head do that's why i woke up er 24 literally two minutes before the start of putin's speech, by chance i have time, it so happens that i wake up early, maybe it's not by chance, i don't know why, but i woke up not long before that, i turned on the internet on my phone, and then

putin's speech begins i started listening to him and understood that a war was starting, and i had the impression that it would be a limited war, that is, a lot of people thought that donbas was meant , and no one thought, well, no one thought, but it was mykola , but i did not think that kharkiv and i would be like that. i was convinced that this was luhansk donetsk, well, luhansk donetsk region is like that well, they pulled troops into belarus, and although at that time minister reznikov said that they were not enough for an attack, and then recently he himself repented that he did not believe everything, but the facts that the troops were stationed there were and papers were burned in american consulates and embassies, after all, not in donbas, but in kyiv, and the ambassadors left kyiv because of that. it was obvious to me that they would attack such a then the question about about the 24th year

and a year later, mr. mykola, here we are, we can to imagine the same program that vitaliy and i are conducting and asking people's deputy mykola knyazhytskyi in a year, what will we ask how is the war going on or how to revive ukrainian industry, culture, science, and the consequences of the russian invasion? what do you think of the program from lviv? you will definitely i am 90% convinced that you will be able to conduct this program from kyiv so that i don't know if you will be able to have a permanent correspondent in donetsk, but i believe that we will win and liberate all our territories. but in a year from donetsk will be a direct inclusion of the correspondent in your program. i have such a conviction . unfortunately, i do not. why then does the question arise, what will interfere? look, i have no doubts. to have more votes against ukraine, to be honest, i was afraid

that there would be more votes, but it was even less than last time, because prizbydena actually broke this whole game, because on our side, er, the whole democratic civilized what a world, they just have more power, opportunities, money, experience, and skills, that's why this and this struggle are against us and against them, that's why i 'm convinced that democracy will not lose in this war, it's another matter. that is, we will definitely win, we will definitely we will survive as a state is another matter how long it will take for obviously it depends on how many and in what terms weapons will be supplied to us , it is difficult for us to fight simply because there are fewer of us than the russians and we have problems with their mobilization too all the same problems that in us us the west helps. they have the production of their own military equipment. this is a story about survival, but we are supported by more promising partners who are the future, and

they definitely have to leave everything in the past because this is the course of history. they cannot be effective because there were authoritarian regimes that are not effective until putin can fly black swan uh, their enterprises will not be as efficient as western enterprises, so uh, together with the west, we will definitely win, but this is a strong opponent and the chinese threat that china will be them help, this contagion still exists, i am not very serious about the fact that china will go for it en masse because it is too big a risk for china from many points of view and they still think logically, but the danger lies in the fact that china is in power now the head of the bureau decided there were different opinions on the term of office and actually single-handedly rules china, as putin single-handedly rules russia, unlike even communist times

. they rule alone, and such leaders very often have, as the fransultimes wrote about putin, ivan the terrible, catherine ii and peter the first in their advisers, they are not the most reliable advisers. therefore , anything can happen, the prospects for joining nato, mykola, what would you say, eh, now the main thing even some such statements. i think they are very responsible that it is almost already decided. and if boris johnson is still there, our man and so on and so on and so on, as far as we can count on it in the near future, in the near future, in a year or two. it's all desirable, let's put out another candidate, khrystia freeland - your good friend. yes, my good friend, this one seems to me to have more chances in christ than in boris . to be honest, well, while she is now, we will decide who is more arrogant, namely boris johnson and

more modest, because christ is silent throughout the war, no, i think, god, she is just waiting for some very important events of great britain, she can hardly win now, even in the struggle now, the chair of the generals, but nato, ukraine and nato, this is a realistic view of too much from the side of the ukrainians, many of whom think that this is, well, this is a fairly short path . i don't think so. i think that all the procedures will be , uh, absolutely not like sweden or finland , they will all be operational, and even closer to 5 years , ukraine will not join nato what do you say, mr. mykola, now there is a war going on and the process is completely different. did we think before the war that we would be nominated so quickly? did we think before the war that zelensky, who never supported nato , would be the first to write for too much, and now we see that for many european politicians, the issue of ukraine is a political issue because they are photographed with zelenskyi, they support ukraine because the democratic society

supports ukraine, and for them to accept ukraine in the european union and nato is a political task, and it seems to me that with the european union it is easier, more difficult for us to fulfill the conditions that will be there because, after all, we saw that we adopted a law, for example, on the constitutional court, which the venice commission criticized. we do not want to democratize, therefore, in the european on the one hand, it is easier for us to enter the union politically , from a general political point of view from the european world point of view, but it is more difficult to fulfill the requirements, and it is easier to join nato. it's easier to join nato , but here the question is whether it will undertake to defend ukraine because if we join , we will need to defend our methods

. i believe that we will join there. believed and even last week, biden said that russia talked about the finlandization of ukraine, received natovization in finland, and can also get natovization in finland by talking about the non-alignment of ukraine for the natovization of ukraine. in principle, we can talk about politics in the cultural and religious sphere as a complete these verdicts can be given as an indication of the situation of this church itself, well, the verdict does not change anything, the verdicts were a day and a day . i personally congratulate the work of the security service of ukraine, which is fighting those uh people in cassocks who betray ukraine and the newly elected head of the security service about he said that, but it does not solve the issue of the church in general, the existence of the russian church, and my colleagues and i made a law banning the russian church in

ukraine - this is a law that is being blocked, there is a government law which, from my point of view, is absolutely weak because it will extend this ban on the church to years ago, it was prescribed in this way, but it was not even brought to the hall. we had a meeting outside today, and yesterday we can now talk about it after the meetings, until the meeting, we are forbidden to talk about it due to security issues, and these laws did not exist at all, just as there were not for example, the law on humanitarian decolonization, authored by me and my colleagues , which has been in the committee for more than six months, and when these laws are not brought into the hall , i have a great concern that, after all, someone in ukraine is saying that we will never enter into negotiations with russia. but someone about he thinks about these negotiations because today, when russia officially and mr. law of russia congratulated china on the so-called peace proposal of peace , they liked it and approached it. they said we have been talking about this for a long time, including and not only about uh, not joining, neutral status, but

including and about the russian language in state institutions, the pro-russian church, and the fact that these laws are not adopted by the majority is, for me, a signal that someone in the executive power still considers such a path to negotiations as possible because of other reasons for the rejection of these laws i do not see well, i miss that it is possible to not submit some laws submitted by the opposition, but there is an alternative law on humanitarian decolonization submitted by deputies from the authorities, it is also not considered, there is a government law that is criticized, but it somehow restricts the activities of the russian it is also not allowed in the church, so i have many questions about it. mykola knyazhytskyi , a people's deputy of ukraine, was with us, and regarding the negotiations, there were very persistent rumors that negotiations are taking place in geneva between someone and someone it is not known, but one of the parties is russia , whether the negotiations between them are going on at a low level right away, the swiss subtly hinted that

the level is very low, but you just have to keep in mind that on the one hand, whenever there is a war, there is always something important, less important, unimportant, but the pergovs are leaving, and today the swiss officially said that the negotiations are at a low level. and we offered our swiss platform , what are the negotiations about? humanitarian questions about the release of prisoners of war about some economic issues and what do you have a million questions between the warring parties about why when the war has not been officially declared that can be discussed yes, i know this and even supported this opinion, but my colleague vitaly portnikov said about six months ago what can we talk about with them? well, i modestly mentioned that , zelensky said today, he also says that no negotiations are possible. i mean about

some fundamental issues. i am saying something else. i am saying that this war will not end at the table until the victory will simply not end and i will affirm this now, i affirm that even if ukrainian troops go to the state border of ukraine for russian troops, it will simply be a demarcation line in the war on a bottle , we will go home. so, this is one moment, and i say that if we do not let's enter the date one of the state borders will be stormed by russian troops in a couple of years exactly as it was at four in the 14th year not in the 22nd 14th it is possible do you believe this answers to the question ms. natalia do you believe that ukraine will be able overcome corruption and how many new and honest people came to power, the result is the same, everyone tried to steal more, i will not continue because it is a long question i had a question literally three days ago with such a russian former russian, now an israeli, leonid, no, we will release such oppositionists

, all of them turned out to be i was very surprised and even amused because i am very skeptical of quick victories on the anti-corruption front and i said it will take a long time and society must be prepared for the fact that it will not happen like that. and to me, leonid said, and i believe that in 2-3 years bearing in mind the experience of that same georgia and kahe bindukidze and mikheil saakashvili that it is possible in two years i do not know i am convinced that corruption can be overcome because there will be a lot forces that will fight corruption, this will also be the west, these will be our e-soldiers who are currently fighting and who will come here and will keep a close watch, and these are our nobel laureates who were also engaged in studying how to overcome this corruption, that is, there are non-governmental organizations, there are

former soldiers and there are western specialists i think this, who and society as such, but i am still skeptical. i am convinced that it is possible to defeat corruption, but i am not convinced that it can be done quickly . i am convinced of something else . functioning in our country, corruption exists precisely because we have such legislation and such norms that , in principle, invite corruption, and if we create real norms, if, let's say , it is not allowed to separate the official from the client an official to make certain decisions, to give permission to automate and mechanize processes, it is simply necessary wherever there is an opportunity for an official to decide to deprive him of the famous soviet phrase of mykhailo zhvanetsky how do you want to put an automatic machine

instead of the hotel administrator, the judge when there was no such hotel that all the candy and all the flowers should be given away give the stupid car all the candies and all the er flowers stupid cars it's very simple and that's half the corruption friend i don't believe in any victory over corruption in georgia if the victory over corruption in georgia happened now mykhailo saakashvili would not be on the borderline of life and death, i believe in the wonderful pr work of his team, then i believe in the victory over grassroots corruption, but even when i went to georgia during this time, i fc of the limitless pr of saakashvili's team people with whom i met, they clearly told me that corruption exists on the mountain, it exists on a much larger scale than it was before saakashvili came to power, it’s just that it is centralized and packaged, and it does not allow corruption to exist at the bottom, now i don’t know what it

looks like, it’s half the case if water is also on equal to the grassroots, because corruption will be overcome, this is already some kind of corruption, first of all, on the mountain, because the most storms of money are stolen on the mountain, yes, but it is 150,000 times more difficult to overcome on the mountain than from below, because when the president i say president x, i do not say now poroshenko in zelensky, anyone, kuchma, but when the president appoints or influences the appointment of the prosecutor general and the minister of internal affairs and the head of the security service of ukraine , etc., a picture is created where you can steal and you will not get anything for it corruption from the point of view of embezzlement was not the money of officials at all, but the oligarchization of the economy when huge corporations headed by such people as ihor kolomoisky, let's say dmytro firtash, they graze undermined in order to steal money from the budget for the development of their corporations, so it was

long enough to take money from of the budget and the solution is very simple because there will be no oligarchs after the war or they will be reduced to such oligarchs small honey much smaller than they were that these people will remain monopolists in certain sectors of the economy they will appoint here presidents who will appoint general prosecutors, heads of courts, they will simply receive less money , we have a case with ukrtatna, with ukrnafta, with kolomoisky , the truth is that these are state companies, in what way is the kolomoiskyi case connected with the law of state companies, that's how i think that the real way to victory over corruption is a real, not demonstrative, but real de-oligarchization of the ukrainian economy, and this will take place under the guidance of our western friends and, of course, our leadership, which will completely after the war for years to depend on the financing of the event will be forced to simply follow all the instructions that will then be given by our friends and our creditors, and

no electoral preferences of ukrainians will be able to change this sentence of ukrainian corruption, even if ukrainians choose it , i sincerely believe the biggest supporter the oligarchy probably has the biggest position in the country, that is, let them vote, let's wait and see , everything changes, everything changes so quickly , money is not earned in a day, that's all, but sometimes you know zade. i think that she has people among the oligarchs who earned as much in a day as you and i together did in our entire life . they received this money. the church is clinging. just don't be offended when i start, please. if i am chosen, i will be offended. so don't be offended, please, does ukraine still need to cut out some other security alliances in addition to nato, it's just hard for me to imagine

, i wouldn't be against the road to nato if there is some such alliance that speeds up the road to nato, and i'm not against it but i don't see any of such alliances that could replace the north atlantic alliance , i haven't met yet, let's understand just a simple thing , let's stop at that, russia is a nuclear state, the whole point of nato is that it has one nuclear state that has a nuclear weapon. russia china and the usa have three states that have more such nuclear weapons, but china is even small. yes, there are only two such states, and great britain and france also have a certain nuclear potential, which means that when you join nato, you are under nuclear power

under this umbrella, if you are not under the nuclear umbrella, you can sign any agreements , create defense alliances, the nuclear power wanted to spit on you. this is not a zero reality, but a very, very small reality that some kind of revolution would start there, i can imagine a superficial revolution or maybe some elite revolution in one way or another i can somehow imagine this and not so strongly, but still i can only imagine the russians who are now thousands and hundreds of thousands being driven to slaughter and they are protesting only because they don't have warm socks and that they don't have a body armor. and so, in principle, they agree to kill people like this , not the tv channel host's daughter. why do

people need help? help people warm clothes glass yes yes how it warms them that's why i'm kind of lost here to imagine what is suddenly sty what prevented every ten moscow under 12 million what prevented every 12 from going outside 24-25 26 thing that from the point of view sociology, i don't really trust sociology, but support for a special military operation in russia is increasing. putin's rating is not eh, and i'll say more. i believe that as long as putin fights, the rating will hold because the russians now understand exactly what he is doing. he basically says that you also need to understand if you think that the russians believe what putin says that nato threatens us, they do not believe. but what do they believe? they believe that putin is deceiving the world, that

he actually wants to conquer ukraine, but he explains this by the fact that nato threatens russia. ukraine needs to be humped, so they are ready to deceive together with putin, that if tomorrow, god forbid, he stepped on a tree, and tomorrow there will be some information that the russians have broken through somewhere, then there will be salutes for raputin and well done, because this is our land, maybe not ours but let them be afraid of us. let them be afraid of us because we are a big country and how is that? they think they can wipe us out . well, finally, we have that president who is forcing all this scum before . now she stays one minute before the end of the broadcast and tell me, mykola, what will you be doing on february 24

, 2024, where will you be i will be working this is me for sure this is mine this is my cross i will be working something i will be doing will be working yes well it will be saturday we won't meet you. well, we orthodox can afford to drink on saturday. and you jews, well, i guess it ended on saturday. this tolerant european air ended. it is noticeable, er, on what specific note, i said that you and i don't see the effect. what did mykola say now? to sabbath you and i watch the program, watch it too, it's fine friday yes, it's friday let's end our conversation on such a note that i don't take offense at the fuel cycle and i wish you, dear friends , i wish you victory much earlier than

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