[000:00:00;00] lviv and teachers and traitors are not worthy of punishment for them, no matter how painful it may be. this was a program of a collaborator. and i am olena kononenko. if you want to talk about the kremlin sellers, write to us at this email address or simply on facebook, we will together send all the traitors to the trail behind the russian ship we will see in a week on espresso ilya samoilenko, a legendary fighter of the equally legendary azov with the call sign gendal, went to fight in 2015, at that time he was studying to be a historian, but the desire to be a warrior turned out to be stronger in 2017, was injured since then, instead of his left

hand, he has a prosthesis, but this did not stop ilya. he learned to practice with weapons again before the full-scale invasion. ilya went to mariupol. samoilenko was among the hundreds of soldiers who remained under siege during the bombings in the underground tunnels . to the whole world about the fierce battles in the city, the soldiers refused to surrender. until the order of the top military leadership of ukraine came, he was in captivity for 120 days and returned home as a result of the exchange in september of last year, i am sure that the main battles of azov are still ahead. and ukraine cannot lose the war and there is only one option, victory. how did you meet the first day of the invasion of the orthodox church ? where were you in mariupol at that time ? near mariupol, well, the first day. it was the 24th. well, as i did, as i promised, i was in the right place with the right people at the right time. i

met my brother with my unit. you knew what you had to be. well, they felt that there will be a full-scale invasion, and at that moment you should have been there. well, how i felt, i knew that something would be obvious, starting somewhere in november, i think. that's where all these reports from mh6 from american intelligence are waiting there our european partners from the main intelligence agency and so on, that's just how we were, and how did we feel, yes, how did i personally feel about what i saw, yes, that everyone thought that it would somehow be solved by itself well, nothing will happen well, really from the point of view vision there perception it was well far-fetched things, as i said then, i say the same. now, and before the beginning

of the large-scale invasion, the russians had all possible levers of influence on us. there are no economic , social, cultural, and sometimes political ones to break through. well, as they say, how says carr von clause gave his famous famous book about war that war and the continuation of politics by other methods this is just a classic stratagem. they could continue to have influence on us, they could strengthen it in other ways, as it seems to me, yes, they decided to simply change the rules of the game, and to challenge not only the security in the region, but, as they say , the geopolitical balance of some base there , they challenged the geopolitical balance there in general, the system of collective security and , uh, well, the world order. that's how you can say . well, because after the second world war, in that

civilized country, they began to negotiate with each other. influence there, not because of hostilities, but because of innovative sectors of the economy, because of the correct structure of society, more progressive, yes, because of soft competition, for example , a more effective system, well, the russians decided well, i can't get into my head yes, but i think that almost everyone is obvious, yes those are the analogies that were drawn there. yes, there is a guy with a school bully who wanted to show something to someone . yes, there is a character who wants to play at the table with big players. this is very far fetched yes, it is simply worth understanding that if a resource is an accumulated resource if i am the tension of this resource

well, i am talking about a military resource, yes, it must be released, and in such structures as empires , yes, russia is one way or another throughout its long history there well, big in terms of terms and years, it was an empire with absolutely clear, clear imperial characteristics, the first of which is the need for expansion in many other empires there in the past years there past millennia they also had this characteristic and it was necessary expansion because the empire cannot live at the expense of itself, it cannot develop at the expense of planned, calm progress , it needs revolutionary steps, er , the seizure of new territories, the rise of national national consciousness and national pride, well, if it is at all well, it is permissible to use such words there in side of russia well, because i believe that this is not not entirely true and well, as a result, well, a new, well , a new round of capture is obtained

, a national rise, resting on laurels, and it is necessary to capture in another way. well, this empire she just sucks. actually, our task is our task. yes, it is a civilizational task, yes, it is to stop this development, this is the origin. but again, a lot of attention is paid to russia. even now there, after a year of war, although we first of all need to concentrate on our issues, on our problems, because this is a big factor of distraction, well, that is, you can understand very, very well their internal systems, yes, their politicians in their financial and economic system , you can read about how they are strongly affected by sanctions a lot of analytics, for example, there are prominent world observers there, you can watch all the investigations there of groups that are engaged in research, for example, there is the suppression of the position in russia in russia, and so on and so

on and so on, you can do a lot of things, but that's not what we need, actually saying, but it might be very interesting for someone , well, you should stop yourself because well, you can conduct very interesting experiments there with the life of insects , for example, yes, but well, when the house is on fire, yes , it is not time to choose curtains or as a historian and military uh tell me how empires die in general and what is our role in this ukraine is a small country so with well which is in a state of war how can we destroy this bloody empire well here is a little bit wrong i will correct it we are not a small country we are a big country big a country with a long history, with great people, with great roots and with a great heritage , which many ukrainians do not even appreciate, they do not know about it, they reject it, yes, but

they come to the perception of their ukrainian to the exclusion of reactionary yes and so on, that is, well, this here is a typical example. yes, a lot of people there switched to the ukrainian language. they signed there on the 24th because it was more comfortable for them to use russian. i will freeze my ears to my mother, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not at all, it's not at all, it can't be related at all, it's the same thing, for example, there with the ukrainian-language content , i've been experiencing it there all these years, how did it transform, how was it created? yes, and first of all, it started. change to the first there are continent makers there in social networks there on youtube and so on as just an alternative. yes

, then anything was done, but in ukrainian . okay and that is, it is also important to understand that well, here i am talking about what here and there people are reacting to the perception of their ukrainian, but well, maybe yes , because it will be so, well, the final result is impossible , the final result is because, coming back own to the question, yes, how can a small country resist the big empires, how will the empire be destroyed, the empire will be destroyed , just for this, people must understand that we are not a small country, and people must also understand that only by combining efforts and understanding the personal responsibility of everyone then you can somehow predict and plan the result because, well, words are just words , yes, there are words that can in a certain way change

the society there, change consciousness, but simply , well, they must be very powerful words and more a huge moment is that nothing is given just like that, and after a year of war , yes, i already see such trends in society that people think that simply by believing in themselves , simply by believing, as is the mantra we repeat, i believed in the zsu, guys, well, well, more likely not yes, boys and girls, you don’t just have to believe in the armed forces, you also have to understand that it can’t be useful. actually , it’s direct military propaganda, if it ’s because i’ve recently also seen such a very shameful trend in what people translate as always, responsibility in self on someone else so here is the problem that must be dealt with first

of all how do you see the collapse of the russian empire hmmm we are going as soon as possible but here look for a moment yes we all dream yes there about the implementation of that plan that is drawn on the map in budanov's office where is the map very very interesting very good personally i think it's nice to look at but for example for our western partners yes with a more pleasant and more favorable system the system of controlled chaos well that is, well okay let's see really in the eyes yes, russia has all that it has, well, nuclear weapons, if they are distributed there and will gonize over there , there are several dozens of smaller states there, well , it will be several dozen smaller states with the same problem, and to control all of them, well it will be absolutely impossible. well, that's why, frankly, it's a matter of politicians. well, i'm a military man, my business is military, and well

, just by chance, i'm just going there right now, not at the deployment point of my unit. and now in kyiv, yes, because a lot of work is also being done here and well, we do what he requires of us and he is even more well, as before we did it and i am quite optimistic looking ahead because there is a demand for our experience in society and there in other units of the armed forces and we let's share this experience well, this is absolutely normal practice, but in order to help people do better in a critical situation. tell me, when did you realize that you wanted to be a soldier ? it's a very difficult question. to be honest, when i joined the service, i

planned to serve there for a certain period of time. and well, damn those realities. yes, in the 16th year. there was hope that there was. we are going to go on a decisive offensive there, we will win back the territory and simply, well, the war will end. and we will all be there. how are you all volunteers? yes, there. continue civilian life, we'll just live as we used to. well, not everything is that simple. so, i guess i understood that i understood that i'm not what i want, i have to be a soldier. yes, when i returned to the service before a full-scale invasion, well, it's just going back to the same thing there theses that at the right time in the right place with by the right people, um, well, again, very often recently, they are singled out somehow by people in the media

, where do they eat somewhere? well, there could be another one in my city. well, there are many others. why, we just don’t show all of them. that’s why we don’t show all of them. that’s why there is strength in unity, strength in the unit, not in individuals, although our unit is azov. we just strengthen the abilities of certain individuals , use people as effectively as possible, we maximize our human potential. from because we know how to correctly combine these equations, and in order for a person to be effective, more effective than he will be simply if he is appointed there in a certain order, yes, and against his will, well, somehow , this is the formula of productive staffing , can you say so, and is there any you know , there is a kind of philosophical way of a warrior and what

a warrior should be, in your opinion. look, this is a very extensive question. it can have several approaches. yes, there are european , asian, ancient epic, archaic, and so on. but the first thing is the most important thing. this is the archetype of service. i repeat this phrase very often. yes. our lives do not belong to us. they belong to society . we give them to society. it's not there for the sake of some mythical social good or it's just for everything good against everything bad, no, you understood that it's right, but before you give orders, you have to learn to obey yourself, yes, that's the basis in

principle. well, that's the basis. precisely with service that is, if you understand that you are dedicated, you dedicate yourself to society . well, then it is possible that completely new horizons of perception open up, well, this is the difference, for example, between people who consciously chose the path of the military yes and people who were forced to become military, although the same thing can be said, for example there about ours about our volunteers there in the 14th year, they didn’t want to, it was forced, but still people decided to make a choice yes, that’s why now there are certain nuances, but even if a person was simply mobilized well, as of now, there is nothing in this absolutely bad, uh, just then, the task of a person is to understand directly, to understand this truth, first of all, good afternoon, you are in the army, well, don't go anywhere, and the situation in our country is so very, very

critical, well, it's really so, uh, and you should maximize your potential and your effectiveness because you perceive reality as it is, you don't build castles in the air there, you don't paint illusions, you don't try to escape from reality, although reality can be very, very unpleasant and very traumatizingly painful i definitely want to escape, and i have never condemned people who are going through difficult times, because of difficult conditions, because of difficult circumstances, yes, somewhere they give themselves some relief, for example. to breathe out is ok, but to fall, for example, in pique, uh, self-pity oh , it’s not about that anymore, it’s wrong, it’s already new well , it’s just that if we all stick together, then well, no one will collect piles anymore, well, society

is traumatized, he society is traumatized by war and this is a reality that is impossible not to perceive, and as there is often waiting on the internet, so i convert people into donations, yes, they convert trauma into productivity, let it be compulsive , let it be breccia somehow compensatory , let it be, but you just have to work a lot , work a lot, but there is no unified scheme for that, well all people, all people are different, all people have personalities, and there you can find an approach to everyone, but it is also worth understanding now that you can sacrifice your personal for the good of society, because if we do not do it now

well, personally, you may not be there anymore . and you, by the way, went to psychologists after being captured, of course we talked. well, this is absolutely normal, normal things, well, to keep yourself together. but again, i don't visit all the time, but if necessary, i knew who to turn to and i know who has it. well, who can help there, for example. well, it 's also an absolutely normal situation, but there's no need to stigmatize certain conditions of people there , especially if a person there has gone through there are mental traumas. well, how many people, like almost all of them? well, the only thing is that the help must be right, so that, well, not just to normalize the traumatized state of a person, but to clearly define the boundaries between the norm and the abnormal. and because, well , there are a lot of modern, modern practices of psychologists there. they simply normalize pathological conditions on the oh and this is wrong, it

is possible to finish off the developed western societies there, yes, where a person tries to perceive himself as they are, yes , not because of the desire for the best, not because self-improvement, isn't it just because you accept yourself as you are with all your weaknesses, volumes and so on, motivating it by the fact that it's helve lavin na, but well, it's a little bit wrong, yes. we have some kind of rain right now, but we can think about quality later, you know everything. one of the main postulates of tactical medicine, yes, we exchange life for health. well, when we save a person in the field, yes, that is, we first think life but then about health, well, this is quite such a rough analogy, well

a rather crude analogy, well, about that. it can take place, because after capture , yes, well, you should consult a psychologist. of course. but uh, did you have, for example, uh, what kind of military training, psychological, some kind of special, well, we understand that there is military training perhaps there is also psychological preparation. i am asking because well, for example, in case of being captured, how to behave there, how to withstand all this load, how did you personally withstand this load, what were you going to buy, well, an interesting question - the first some kind of specific special psychological training in our country. well, it was not carried out, and in general, for all the armed forces there, i can say that such a phenomenon as mpz is a moral and psychological support, but as psychological help, it was always considered quite secondary.

and i consider this to be a shameful practice. well, this is a reality. i don’t blame anyone . it’s just that. it’s just like that , and because everyone. by the way, people who just occupy a place in the staff is not considered correct because it is important in our country. we carried out effective actions regarding the overall reform of the development service, the service of work with personnel and the deputy for the work of the zno staff. and this is a person who can perform all the functional duties of the commander, because he is his deputy. plus, he has a very wide range of powers and responsibilities. well, it does not end there with cultural and mass events.

creativity, etc. do you read, for example, some historical literature, etc. well, it is also useful. well, 100%, but it is necessary. well , in order to feel your unit. yes , you need to constantly communicate with people , you need to know. the protocol actions that are carried out for this purpose are monitoring. yes, there are more informal actions that are, strictly speaking , those that create the atmosphere of the unit. that is why it is very important regarding the special elements of training. well, half way through first you can never prepare no. well, the first rule, er, the first rule, which concerns the half , you don't get caught, the second rule, well, look at the first rule, everyone went through it and goes through it in their own way, uh, and people react differently, i just, well, in short, for example, about

my personal perspective. yes, i can only talk about my case . well, i know. there are a lot of situations where people have a completely different reaction to other consequences, and we are different. that's why there have already been moments when there was me in the media they asked yes and i said how my condition, well, how is it, how did it really happen, yes, how did it all unfold there along the way, she, oh well, it was perceived differently by certain other military personnel there, yes, because some were more fortunate, some were less fortunate, so and there is such a thing about training , well, look, without preparing for war, how we always trained soldiers. yes, there is one basic language , yes, it is moral readiness to be killed and be killed , this is the rule of the game, then you accept them and, well , you begin to understand well, it seems nothing

well, nothing complicated at first glance, but all the same there is a constant struggle of the natural self with the supernatural self, well, this is in a personal perspective, but when you become part of something larger, a part of a unit , a platoon section against a battalion of a brigade, then this is when it takes place, that is, the military a subdivision is a single large living organism where everyone must be in their place where every cog must be correctly positioned and turn as needed so and then so then there is a moment of coherence then a moment of e-e balance so and then there is a moment combat effectiveness and all the other things they just tighten up and take their place, if the unit has time to normally cultivate some kind of correct constructive atmosphere there, then everything is possible, well, in parallel with the high level of combat training, but

now we are, well, the general trend in ukraine we can’t for example, to ensure the level of combat training that we would like . yes, there should be a large-scale invasion. when we can spend years training people to prepare them for polishing all their skills and experience, and only then let more prepared units in . well, we need to change our shoes on the run, and look for new, new ways to effectively solve problems . well, if it will be, then what will be the scale, and in what directions is important, well, look at how i feel about it, yes, and why is he eating now

, well, that is, there can be a lot of reasons, but again, uh, how to properly feed before the russian offensive to prepare the actual offensive well, that's all, that is, it's completely uninteresting now, well, from my position, yes, that is, i speak only for myself . yes, well, there is no difference. they prepare it there in a month , in two. i know, i don't know when. maybe it already happened, but it was a little bit so weak. it's a situation in which we should not constantly look back at the actions of the russians while planning our actions. we should be concentrated and focused on our own actions . yes. well, we should not sit there thinking. with rabbits with a constant news feed yeah damn yeah yes-yes-yes-yes yes that one was captured that was captured and that one was repulsed mmm and when they advance oh damn he will also tell me what will be there in a month yes and the cia says that we will be there in two

oh, just what is he doing? we need to prepare our forces. we need to change the way of thinking of citizens who have not yet changed it. and we need to be more actively involved in military training . although well, i am more of a supporter of letting a person simply register. yes, he will be ready just to be in the right place at the right time with the right people , or just be there in advance without waiting for a summons to join the armed forces or the national guard. things, we are recruiting people. here is the azov brigade

. the offensive guard. join the friends of the city. of the state yes, there is a definition of the direction of activity yes, because there is such a type of combat operations, for example, as an assault yes, but conceptually, yes, there are two types of combat operations, there are defensive ones, and offensive ones, and that is that the new newly created brigades are newly formed there of the national guard in the national police, e.e., in the dpsu, what is the general name of the gvarnya nasta file, they are there also with a light hand, there in the media they are called assault units, yes, this is for ease of perception, but it is really a unit that is formed for offensive actions, in which i can't say in what format the interaction will take place. well, most likely, there will be close interaction with the armed forces and so on, where there are also our own offensive forces, and this should be understood as a single system, yes. that is, it is

different departments, yes, it's simple. well, there are two parallel directions of bureaucratic work and this is absolutely normal, this is how it has always been. so, there is still mobilization potential in parts of the national guard. so where do we want to strengthen our units, yes by recruiting more people, but first of all volunteers, because this is the moment where our approach, like us, how we transport , for example, we were staffed there all these years exclusively by volunteers or people who voluntarily volunteered to transfer to us there, but it can also be extrapolated to another unit. why is this important, because it is the first this is a key point. this is a decision. this is a person’s desire. well, the same applies, for example, to people there, and just civilians, just a civilian person who has a voluntary desire to serve and protect the motherland. she is already more motivated in the base and is ready to make greater personal sacrifices, well, in