[000:00:00;00] is symbolic, precisely on the anniversary of the invasion, i wanted to ask you about the tanks, it is more or less clear about the fighter jets, because today volodymyr zelensky was asked about them at the press conference, and also the same polish prime minister who brought the tanks, but said that poland is ready, within the framework of a broad coalition, to organize training for ukrainian pilots and is ready, in principle , to consider the option of providing aviation to ukraine. the broadest coalition and to the fighter jets and in particular to the victory because we just had a very long discussion with oleksiy danilov , so he says that if i understood him correctly , there is no consensus regarding a quick victory in the west, and this is the victory of ukraine, and this is obviously indicated and

on western support for the military, what do you say, actually, about fighter jets, the good news is that there is actually a political consensus, so we heard quite a lot of statements on this topic from the session of the last ninth meeting in rammstein and from the rostrum of the munich security conference, which was a few days after the 9th rammstein well, in principle, we heard that ah , in fact, the main main message that is broadcast by all the leaders of all the western countries of our allies is that in order to win, ukraine has to receive absolutely all the weapons it asks for and no red lines, as the minister of defense of the federal republic of germany mr. pistoris said literally today , that is, there is no question in the political political plane regarding the provision of fighter jets to ukraine it is in principle solved, the question remains. well, let's say how it should be organized correctly, so that in order to achieve the maximum result

, so that ukraine gets exactly those planes that it needs to solve combat tasks at the front and in order to, in principle, strengthen its combat capability and strengthen your military air force. how to do it as quickly as possible and how to make it so that these planes can be used immediately in battle. that is, well, we must also remember that this is a necessary condition for the provision of weapons of any kind ukraine is asking at the moment about how it should be organized in principle. we also heard such a joint consolidated western position, and the west obviously took into account the difficult discussions that took place when the western countries negotiated the supply of tanks there. we all remember that it was quite difficult and at certain moments there even our western partners accused each other that someone was in too much of a hurry or that someone, on the contrary , was delaying this process for incomprehensible reasons, and

now in the ninth ramsthan we heard a thing about the future supply of fighter jets to ukraine is that this supply should be organized on the basis of the so-called aviation coalition of the international, that is, on the analogy of the easel coalition, which was created in the end after all these disputes, and the west decided with the fighters not to repeat these problematic moments, not to waste time on e-e mutual accusation and to do so, in principle, all the statements and all the steps of the western countries, they sounded in unison, and accordingly, we now see this approach in almost all of our partners, even the poles. when they talk about their willingness to hand over fighter jets to ukraine or to start training ukrainian pilots so that they can prepare the f16, they emphasize that they will do this not on their own, not individually , only in the context of the agreement of this wider aviation coalition, that is, in principle, this is the model of the event now he sees as an absolutely working mechanism for the issue

of fighter jets to ukraine to begin with, in the end , the netherlands as one of the countries that also actively spoke out in support of the ukrainian needs of the ukrainian military and of aviation also announced that the process of agreements on the supply of aircraft to ukraine has actually moved from place to place and it is simply not happening publicly, well, that is, the west is trying as much as possible to avoid all these problematic moments, which in fact were connected with the supply of tanks, that is, well, here is just a question at the time of the question of choosing a specific fighter model well, i understand that after all, everyone is inclined to the american m16 , which are also well, in principle, panology with leopards , yes, they are german. nato member countries, and well, there is a sufficient base to provide logistics, and to provide spare parts service , repairs, and so on, that is, in essence, now everything in e-e rests on the question of time . how quickly will it be possible to train ukrainian pilots. how quickly will it be possible? moment and the second

moment how quickly will it be possible to prepare the ground personnel to service these aircraft and the third important moment how quickly will it be possible to uh well modernize our airfield infrastructure a little bit too we should not forget that we are talking about aircraft that very sporadically appeared on the territory of ukraine , that is, some of our airfields have experience with these aircraft, but this is very sporadic in the framework of international exercises that took place in our country with nato partners. about permanent basing, even more so about their maintenance , repair, preparation of daily flights, equipment , and so on, that is, it will actually take more time, significantly more time than the supply of tanks equipment, but still a modern combat aircraft and the fourth and even more so the fifth generation that the americans hinted to us about. this thing is extremely complicated and in fact we need to do a lot of preparatory work

to be able to use them effectively in combat . today volodymyr zelenskyi is at a press conference he talked about airplanes, about aviation, and not only about aviation, he also emphasized that time is really important here , and i wanted to ask such a general question, i don't know if it will be possible to give a general answer, but let's try to describe it the role of ukraine now in the global security architecture and how this role may change in the future, depending on if the war continues , for example. it can be said that ukraine is a leader that provides modern security at least at the level of protection against the most pressing threats, so for european euro-atlantic security, the west

plays the role of the rear, so to speak, yes logistics provides us with absolutely everything we need. well, here, uh, we have to understand that the matter here is limited only to weapons , because ah, well, uh, there are a lot of samples of weapons that we received, they either need major repairs or need to be replaced, that is, if this is a process that has been started, but it is not stopped because , well, this is a real war, and it seems to be related to the fact that, well , we use this technique, we exploit it on the battlefield, since it has never actually been exploited, but that is also the question logistics is the issue of logistical support, this is the issue of providing ammunition, spare parts, maintenance, finances, so that our economy, in principle , has the ability to withstand this. so, if this is the burden of the war, and accordingly, so that we do not, well , at least we, let's say, felt all these inconveniences, that is, if you look on strategic, yes on this situation, in principle

, we see that in reality, in this way, the west works out a model of cooperation with its allies and both outside nato and, in principle, within nato because, well, uh it is clear that the entire security architecture in the context of these events that are happening now will be rethought at many points and it is obvious that even the approaches within nato will be changed until they understand collective security there. well, we know that collective security within the alliance is when there is the fourth article is also the obligation of all the member countries of the organization to provide assistance and protect the country that has become a victim of aggression, which is part of this alliance, but nowhere is it written that there are currently 30 countries if one of the countries will be attacked, all 29 are sending troops, that is, the question of which country will help is a matter of consensus and if there were political discussions , it is clear that all this will require

time, and well, this time will be associated with losses human lives , material, financial, and so on. and that's how the west is now helping ukraine, which ties are established between us and the same north atlantic alliance, new ties are being established now internally between nato member countries and most likely, there will be a mechanism not only for how nato interacts with its strategic partners outside the organization, but also for how nato will interact within the organization . of ukraine and an example of the mechanism that they have now, at least on the example of rammstein, it is already up and running. it will most likely be one of the cornerstones of the future of the international security architecture regional and so on, but this is only one of the elements, we understand that the war is not over and before the end of the war, not such new elements will actually appear

today, one of the journalists at the press conference of american journalists asked zelensky about what he said that public support for aid public support for aid to ukraine from the us is falling in the states, more and more people are saying that there is no need to help ukraine so much and the journalist asked him and how would you convince the americans of the opposite, to which zelensky said that if the united states and the west in general will not help ukraine, then russia will not stop. the war will start on the territory of nato and then american families will send their children to this war because the fifth article of nato will apply. please tell me it's only volodymyr zelenskyy who thinks and thinks like that. is this really how nato and washington in particular think and see it? well , it's clear that since we, together with president zelensky, are essentially on the front lines of this war, of this global confrontation with russia

with the event as a whole. yes, we understand that the plans of the russians to use their armed forces, in whatever condition they were , for the expansion of aggression beyond the borders of ukraine, these plans remain relevant, and that's another matter. well, western countries and the united states, they, uh, at different speeds come to the same understanding that we come to much faster, well, since we are inside this process. the military elites eh who eh at the beginning of this full-scale armed aggression of russia against ukraine talked about more do you even remember what they will not do in order not to scan the situation to prevent the third world war and so on yes how did the rhetoric change already at the end of the 22nd year? how has this rhetoric changed once again now after the last rammstein, after the munich

security conference and so on, that is, when at the beginning of this full-scale war , the nato secretary general talked about the fact that we are not let's do this and that, for example, yes, in order to avoid confrontation , to avoid war, so now jenstockenberg is talking about the unequivocal defeat of russia on the battlefield. he is talking about the fact that ukraine should receive absolutely everything that it asks for its victory and nato we have to mobilize our internal resources in order to do this, it is obvious that this transformation to the western elites and in the western states of our allies it is not finished yet and it is obvious that what president zelensky is talking about is true otherwise, during this year, most likely, a-a will find a response in the american political and military elites, especially since, well, it is obvious after uh-uh, putin 's recent uh-uh, another uh, such a burdensome

speech, uh-uh, it became more or less clear that er, the russian regime is trying to reconfigure this situation so that it is similar to the cold war, and the soviet union, and russia is similar to the soviet union there, well, at least in their fantasies. opposition to this logic. it is actually not foreign to the americans, that is, they actually have a lot of their political strategies, military strategies, uh, which are stored in the archives, which are still remembered by perhaps the older generation of soldiers and politicians. well, it was precisely based on these things and they also took into account this factor that even during the cold war , it was necessary to prevent as much as possible the situation when a hot war begins in europe with the participation of russia, well, it was then called the soviet union, but nevertheless, and all the foreign policy of the united states and the entire security policy of the united states was set up to prevent this, in principle, we see that today the circumstances

are such that the political and military elites in the states will one way or another be forced, if not completely, to return to this logic that it is clear that the geopolitical circumstances have changed and so on, and the present russia is far from the soviet union, and in the best case there is some kind of big north korea. well , but nevertheless, this logic is will definitely return to the american strategy, thank you very much terasa taras zoftenko, an expert on international security of the democratic initiative foundation, we talked about the new security architecture and the role of ukraine in this architecture, thank you, in the first days of the full-scale invasion, mariupol, the city of mariupol was blockaded, the russian military initially did not allow civilians to leave and they refused to let humanitarian aid into the besieged city, mariupol residents found themselves under constant shelling without

electricity gaza heating water products in that among them, pharmacy shops and some workers of emergency and communal services who, despite everything, continued to work, could not fully perform their work completely without electricity, the city was cut off, there was looting throughout the city and the whole of mariupol, the attack was on march 8 from the air force, the entire intersection of mira avenue and trade street bought windows this center of mariupol march 10 studio tv channel donbass tried to condemn with a fire extinguisher the fire extinguisher

was enough for a very short time completely burned high-rise buildings post-apocalypse mariupol on march 17 , everyone in mariupol celebrated the new year 2022 brightly and in a different way in just two months. two pro-ukrainian rallies took place in mariupol, the first was spontaneous that evening, and the next day several

hundred people gathered in the square in front of the drama theater . andrii khlyvniuk, who then had a performance in drama theaters we are at home, no one is going anywhere from today, although in principle they are trying samples. glory to ukraine that there will be an offensive , the activists agreed on how to organize the resistance. shells fell in the village of pokrovsky and on vyshneva street. by the way, before decommunization, they were called ilyich street and bolshevik street . destruction of the left bank district began. my colleague and i are employees of local tv channels. sigma and donbass immediately started planning how will we inform the audience and went

to the office tonight vladimir putin announced an attack on ukraine at around five o'clock in the morning by the armed forces of the aggressor state of the russian federation, an invasion was carried out in many directions, it turned out that basements and bomb shelters in the city mostly not prepared as a shelter from shelling at gas stations and near atms , queues appeared in some shops, they began to accept only cash at the railway station, there was no excitement during the first days from there three evacuation trains were able to leave, only partially filled, most people were optimistic and stocked up on food, the situation is unusual for me well, i always buy water so that i can keep calm, and the mayor of the city, vadym boychenko, urged us to stay calm today , not to panic, but already on february 26, he

left mariupol, according to him, to create a defense headquarters and did not return, and local journalists, in particular, and representatives of the dpr group began to call me and offer go over to their side. at the beginning of march, the city was put under a complete blockade, it became impossible to leave. the russian military and their henchmen were only allowed to enter azov for bribes. most of the establishments and enterprises stopped working. pharmacies and shops were still working. queues were sought . there was a shortage of food products. price tags have increased for two units in the hands of primorsky district near the maritime lyceum in the apartments there is gas, but there is no water, there is no electricity , there is no communication and the internet, two are working shops to them are very long queues, people are trying to buy water and food, one of the main targets of the russian

troops from the very beginning became critical infrastructure, in particular drop stations, at first the energy companies promptly refused power supply several times , but due to constant shelling and the scale of destruction, any work was stopped mariupol - march 4, 2011 :00 on the third day, the city was completely without electricity, the city was cut off at that time , mariupol was under continuous shelling from artillery, mortars, and rsv the projectiles were already flying and in the center of the city, one hit the offices of the sigma and donbas tv channels, although they did not broadcast due to the lack of television broadcasts, they still continued to work on social networks. and in a few days, it also flew into the studio, with which until the very end, white light and communication were trying to work to cover

the russian aggression, the war against ukraine has just flown here since the fifth of march, the city was in complete isolation , it was not possible to find out the news even from the internet, except for the light, and the mobile communication also already in gas, water and heating have disappeared throughout the city, garbage has stopped being taken out and it has begun to accumulate, and since march 6, looting has begun in the center, looting throughout the city, there is nothing to say yet , everything is clear, pharmacy stores are smashed, even home appliance stores. first of all , they broke into pharmacies, pet stores and grocery stores, later they allowed food to be taken out by the military because the supply of food to mariupol

was blocked by the armed forces of the russian federation, but some townspeople they began looting even household appliances stores, at the same time, the east gate volunteer center had been operating in the city since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, they helped both military and civilians with medicines, clothes, products and building materials, and with the disappearance of communication, they began to make information leaflets, which, together with humanitarian packages, were taken to the shelters where the most were hiding of civilians throughout the city, people cooked food on fire and collected water from streams and springs, also collected rainwater under sewer pipes and shoveled snow water to some bomb shelters was also organized by representatives of the city authorities who remained in the city, for example, the deputy mayor mykhailo kogut, but it was also dangerous to stand in lines , the invaders, in particular, fired from a crowd

of people, to everything there was also bombardment from airplanes and everything mariupol was hit by air on march 8, everything the intersection of myra avenue and trade street from march 9 shells exploded around the clock, there was no silence for ten minutes , the military purposefully fired at residential

buildings, as well as hospitals, supermarkets, fire stations parts and places of shelters, completely burned multi-story buildings in some places destroyed whole blocks of destruction and death, this is a funnel and despite the resistance of the defenders of the city, they gradually moved from the outskirts to the center, as of march 13, there were only three fire engines left in the city in working order, so there was no way to put out fires, people did it with my own hands , but here with a fire extinguisher, a fire extinguisher was enough for a very short time.

shelling, the temperature in some places dropped to -10, so some froze to death and died without medicine, lonely old people, sometimes even from hunger, the bodies just lay on the streets , some were buried with their own hands near houses and in parks , the issue of burials was also tried to be solved in the emergency headquarters, which met every day at eight in the morning, representatives of the city government , volunteers, medics, rescuers, and military personnel after the shelling of the building where the meeting was held on march 16, civil management ceased , the last center of any organized work remained the skhidna volunteer center gate, but on march 17, its leader , dmytro chichera, went missing, and an aerial bomb was dropped on our center in the evening , and it was targeted several times during the night with various weapons . i spent two days looking for an opportunity to get out of the city. i gathered a group and on the morning of march 20, with

my mother and friends, we set out on foot in the direction of the already occupied mongoose, and in two days we were lucky enough to reach free ukrainian land. from the first days of the full-scale russian invasion, radio svoboda journalists filmed the war in detail through the eyes of radio svoboda correspondents in zaporozhye. the world saw the first shelling of kharkiv . the battle near kyiv. svoboda prepared a documentary film, which included the events he witnessed and filmed on his own camera, then we will show you a fragment of this

film and then we will talk with the marians themselves completely new, unexpectedly, difficult in its own way, and easy in its own way, this is the situation on february 24, for me, it began a few days

before the full-scale invasion of russia on the territory of ukraine . you hear now, yes, this was the way out, now somewhere there will be new arrivals already on our neighbors and rushes, somewhere 2-3 kilometers from us, it often rains very hard at night, we do not rush , we hold on, marian kushnir, correspondent of radio svoboda and the author of this film, what a fragment which we just showed joined our broadcast live from under soledar maryana hello hello yes maryana what is your situation there and what kind of development are the military with

whom you are currently communicating near soledar as far as i understand soledar is either occupied or it such a continuous gray zone that the military there is really solgar, to the great regret of the currently occupied temporarily , however, the ukrainian military is now preparing for any situations, for any development of the situation and literally i do not know for several hours therefore, the russian military tried to attack the positions of the armed forces of ukraine directly, the unit in which i am located, however, the ukrainian military knows how to use actions and means that are usual for them, and yet they stopped the russian army and they continue to hold this line, the most interesting thing is that i am now or to a separate mountain assault unit edelweiss and these are people who have been holding the line of contact for a very long time

and not letting the russian military through, and actually these people, as they claim, don't know what to do with it life, because since february 24, people went into combat operations in the first line and defended kyiv in particular in my film , which was presented the day before.