[000:00:00;00] vacate and therefore later they will pick up the phone and shoot because what we have built they are destroying, you see what ukrainians are like, how they vacate cities. that is, it is exclusively for this purpose, there are buildings, but there are no people in these buildings . and they did not determine this either. to give credit to the people whose lives he took, to give them housing in the tradition, how can it be, that is, these people did not come, not for this , they have to clean the multi-story buildings, they already cleaned more than 400 of them, that is, they cleaned war crimes, they clean them even during the day and at night they started. at first, it was humane to clean up, to sort out the debris, to pull people out of there, and we heard that they themselves testified about their war crimes that they took 100-150

people from these shelters that were under the buildings . they do this, this bratsky concrete graves are cleaned and taken to the dump, this is it today we have no electricity, no quality water, no heat in the city, they bring food from russia that is three times four to five times more expensive than in ukraine there is no modern hospital, there is no medicine , that is, it is also 4-5 times more expensive than in ukraine, that is, there is abuse of these people who left in mariupol. my grandmother, whom they always keep such a watchful eye on, is still there. and i want to say that there were those people who came to visit my grandmother and they were like that one guy who visited unfortunately, they were arrested, they were arrested back in july, and they are still in the makiiv prison , unfortunately, it happens like this today russia yes, yes

, such liberators came and so they today, our modern ukrainians are behaving like those people who went to europe today are arriving. why did they end up there because there was also no opportunity to go to ukraine because they closed these borders and people left for europe through russia because they don’t want to be in russia, and someone reached ukraine, while leaving ukraine, someone from europe returns to ukraine, and thus we see that somewhere around 120,000 people are in europe, 150-200 are in ukraine. we follow their movement through billing good, then to europe , then to ukraine, and somewhere around 120-150 remain without falling, mr. vadim, mr. vadim, look, it’s not a big secret , there was such a powerful enough controversy in mariupol, pro-ukrainian people were

neutral, if you call them that, they were pro-russian, there were sympathies for the various parties there now they are considered russian, now the war has started, the war has been going on for a year, what is the mood? how do you feel about the mood? there are still a lot of people there, because i have just students, and i used to teach from there in kyiv. once upon a time, i had students from mariupol and they just traveled they told me that at least a third of people have at least sympathy or a neutral attitude towards russia. how many people continue to think that putin is leading the army or russia is a brotherly people? how much has something changed during this first year of the war? how do you feel ? do you understand that sociology is difficult now somehow? to publish, but do you have any feelings

about this, please, mr. vadim, too. we did sociology in september, in december, thanks to our partners jasiz tu set, who give us such an opportunity to do more or less we understand today the attitude of those people who are in mariupol and in europe and in ukraine, we must understand that russia has been preparing for this war for all 30 years of our independence with you. they were first preparing for the invasion in the 14th year and were preparing for such a large-scale invasion exactly a year ago they prepared this main force of theirs with such a hostile and murderous force that destroys not only our buildings, it destroys our head , that is, they brought their propaganda to mariupol, and it must be understood that they destroyed

and critically important infrastructure and destroyed the connection with ukraine , and there you saw what they brought. these beads put up big screens and spread this delusion that the plane that is coming and destroyed our city of mariupol, that is, it destroyed our hospital buildings , the drama theater where my mother was, that is destroyed it is ukrainian, they say so. at first they said that you are british, that is , nato came and destroyed it so that you understand how much cynicism it is. here it goes off the scale, that is , they understand it and use the syndrome of the syndrome of this destroyed environment average among the internal environment of a person and then they give you didn't have water, didn't you have bread and here's water for you here 's for you bread and now we're going to build everything all right back home that is, the azov people are all there and the armed forces of ukraine shot down the plane it was british and ukrainian, that is, unfortunately, i confirm that propaganda is working there. but

fortunately, we also understand that there are many people today who also act against the forces. they give us information from there and we understand what is happening, we understand where the enemy's equipment is and a lot of things, we understand that if there is this sign of people who are a little lost, but we have to work with it and we understand that not everyone was able to leave, but today we clearly understand that those the people who are in the territory of ukraine today are people who hold the heart not only of mariupol, they hold the heart of ukraine and we see how the anger in this heart is growing that they want to return to

mariupol and kick the teeth of those people who occupied our city today, and there are people in europe who want to join this movement and we also need to work with them. that is why we created an opportunity called mariupol, there are 21 such environments on the map of our country, and we have already started discussing the future it was mariupol last week, we made this first approach in kyiv and now everyone is doing it in lviv, in dnipro and in zaporizhzhia, we will do the same in frankovsk and uzhgorod , discuss the future, the future, how do we return today, how do we coexist with these people who are there now and who receive this portion of propaganda and they accept and some do not accept, they are filled, some are not filled, we have to work with it , it is difficult, but we have to do it and we are doing it right now we are not waiting for release and then we

will work with it, we will come with our truth, their propaganda, but our truth, we cannot lie and have never lied , and this is our peculiarity and what distinguishes us from russia, this taste of propaganda. it is always so tasty, but the truth is so firm, and we will bite hard with our truth and the russian, vadim, one more question is very important, uh, they mention it not very often, but the ecology of the sea of ​​azov, they say that there are big problems in the black sea, they say that even in the caspian sea, where ukraine is bombed from, very often, it is from there that these missiles are launched, even though ukraine is where is the caspian sea in the sea of ​​azov? it also says that there are environmental problems. how do you see these problems?

is it even possible to restore the ecological balance so that fish reappear there , so that dolphins swim there? there were times when in it was possible to get black caviar in the sea of ​​azov, they say now it is not possible. well, i don't know, i'm not an expert, although i love it, i don't know who doesn't love black caviar . on the map of ukraine, please tell me, mayor boychenko, first of all, we need to understand that ecology. this is water, air, and land, and due to what russia has inflicted. also , a brutal attack on mariupol. aviation and ships, they also extinguished factories and so on. itself , but it is necessary to understand what the factories were preparing for

conservation started with the war, and they did it qualitatively so that, god forbid, they would not poison either the water or our earth or the air, that is, everything was done qualitatively. that is why today we do not see such big environmental problems as there could be, but they were problems before the beginning of the war with water in general, there is a problem of fresh water in the world, there is no volume of it that would reach our planet earth, and that is why this is the main issue, because the rivers are becoming salty, and we would. and land and around enterprises and around mariupol and inside mariupol to answer that we will already form plans for our construction and metallurgical industry and the construction of the city of mariupol and

the construction industry of the city of mariupol, it is possible to create new openings for construction machines in mariupol and the like, this is the main question this is the beginning, everything else is based on this foundation. we will build mariupol, if we talk about the sea, we must remember the times of yanukovych, who looted these treasures, and where you mentioned the sister of azov, and that's why they left this sea with such a black flag. and why? because they were, as they say, the rulers of the world, because they knock from our ukraine, and then our sea rested a little, and that's why before the start of the war , all three appeared in our sea of ​​azov and

black caviar appeared, which you respect very much, so i believe that russia did not cause a big environmental disaster , but it has to be . i want it, i dream. that everything is fine and from that we are let's start with another question where the ukrainian society, which is also very controversial, does not like and shudder and looks suspiciously in the direction of people who are called oligarchs , on the other hand, everyone knows that no matter what kind of oligarchs they are, they pay the salaries of thousands or tens of thousands of people, and in particular, in mariupol, i spoke with mr. taruta somewhere, i don't know, maybe a year and a half ago. he said that already during the war. i think i had such an opportunity. he said that it was necessary. in fact, you

also confirmed it, that maybe we will build it. and he i just called it, i don't know why, maybe i actually negotiated some kind of negotiations with south korea, that south koreans have specialists who are capable , who know how to build factories of the 22nd century, and these factories will be absolutely not, not, not good for the surrounding environment, it will be a completely different metallurgical plants, but who it will belong to the people, you know, on the one hand, they say, oh, it's good that the oligarchs provide jobs, and on the other hand, oh, we don't like the oligarchs , but everyone knows that there are interests, at least mr. akhmetov and mr. taruta as well to get out of this vicious circle, on the one hand, benefit and expertise, that is, these people, whatever they are, are oligarchs, but they at least know

what to do, how to build, how to operate these factories, how to hire personnel at these factories, how to find technologist engineers at these factories all where to get money to borrow well, for example, for some important environmental projects, maybe even from the same bank , between the bank for reconstruction and development and more precisely the european bank for reconstruction and development and so on, that is, you will not get anywhere from one i am already exposed to criticism, i will say that i am justifying the oligarchs here, but i am asking the mayor of mariupol, mr. vadym boychenko, as this moment of ownership, what will happen here, because i am a liberal and i believe that private property is more effective, god forbid to have state property again they will start stealing and again it will be terrible stuffing millions in their pockets and i will not steal from myself the oligarch but people do not

think like that how to get out of this difficult situation thank you for the question because you know it is necessary, it is enlightening, such a question should be asked these questions must be answered so that we understand what an oligarch is. we all understand that there is now a law on kharkiv and we have defined what an oligarch is. if we talk about business in mariupol , we will talk about rinat akhmetov , for example. -he had certain components that were determined there from the point of view of the oligarch. the oligarch and this is a media holding that is no longer there, and there are connections with the authorities that he also got rid of, that is, what remained was the business component, which is partially in mariupol and

if we talk about the economic component of mariupol, it is the future of mariupol and the number of its people, if we want to return that mariupol, which already had 540 plus thousand people, then we need to understand what basis our economy will be based on, that is, without the metallurgical industry, it is impossible to do this and create, if you look at the creation of these enterprises, when they were created, they were still created far, far away 100 years ago. and whoever created them also came from business where he came from, for example, the ilyich plant is experts from france came to providence from belgium and created this enterprise. these are businessmen. these are people with money. in our country, they are called oligarchs. if we have defined what a heligarch is and it does not meet these criteria, we understand the business that was mariupol. we say about akhmetova, he no longer falls under these and has already been, we have already heard it, our powerful people said about it that he does not

fall under these criteria , the oligarch has already determined. that is, this business is big business, if we see how other states are developing today, that is, they support big business or not, they support these basic industries and economies. that is, they must be supported. and on what basis will the economy of our state be based? what is mariupol in the general consolidated budget of the economy of our state - it is 5% of gdp - 25% - it is foreign exchange earnings for our state, that is we need to revive it. yes, we can’t. now the war gives us money, and then the war will go and we will have to rebuild it. on what basis, what will the economy of our state be, how will it reproduce, what should it be built on, where will we earn money? the money that we will sell is outside

the borders of our state and what will we make money on. that is, these are the basic branches of the economy, and the state is also almost determined by this, that is, metallurgy should almost become the basic economy, energy should be the basic economy of our state, and we see that we are in this direction, ukraine has advanced very, very far, and we already competed with europeans. we competed with asian countries, that is, we were on this market, and thanks to this big business, we were not connected with russia. that is, we are not traded with russia, that is, and that is why mariupol held on and made money, and that is why it filled our budget and we moved forward , that is, we need to define everything, what is an oligarch , what is a basic branch of the economy, what is big business, and what is the economy of our state built on, what is the economy of mariupol built on , and then there will be no such questions and a we need to create jobs, so we need to create

what should be the salary - it is necessary that the salary be at the level of european countries if we want to compete for labor resources for an economically active population, i.e. now our ukrainians have gone to europe, they see what the basic salary there is, 1.2 euros. and how should we return them, what should we offer them? what kind of salary and who will give them such a salary? from the point of view of wages, for example, a doctor's salary is uah 6,000, and for example, a doctor in europe is 2,000, the salary of teachers in europe is 12,000 euros, and our teacher, god willing, earns uah 16,000, that is , if we want to do something, i will it is necessary to answer this, what are the wages of what kind of people do we attract, who do we compete with, and what are the qualities of these people, where do they

get this education ? we cannot become a resource for europe. we want to be the first of the average. there, in a cell in the appendages of europe, we are discussing one more question . and i promised that we would talk about the future, but also about the past.

the resistance of the armed forces of ukraine and the volunteers and so on, in fact the enemy approached mariupol quite quickly . donetsk region and all these places, if what happened with crimea was somehow connected, if it quickly came under the power of the russians, and then there was an ideo, and then the journalists and experts started. there is something invited someone there, someone showed someone where to go, where not to go, etc. do you feel i understand that you are not an employee of the sbu, but you feel that there really were some people there or there could have been some people who in advance or on the same day started to connect their future life with russia, so they just started collaborating with the russian occupiers. i am sure that these people

were in mariupol and in other cities from the 14th year onward, and they prepared in advance, informed me, and i will cite the experience of mariupol, which is very sensitive for me, from the point of view that is, we had these 15 electricity entrances to our city and the enemy destroyed them in a week, that is, i, as the mayor, did not understand where they were because there are responsible persons who are responsible for this and they knew about it. that is, this er, everyone should understand that they were preparing for this war and were preparing in advance, that is, they were somewhere among us, they were at communal enterprises , they were in the cities of every city of donbas, kherson and

other regions that are currently occupied, they are there were and they then opened up, that's why they quickly appeared, it was the drg who were looking for city mayors , that's why something happened quickly, but to answer these questions, why did they come to mariupol as tourists in 6 hours from the western part , when we were waiting for the enemy from the east, we will answer after the war but there are more and more such questions. and today i want to say the main thing is that the defense of mariupol lasted 86 days, and thanking our heroic guys who held this defense, what they gave, they gave two very important things, firstly, that they gave time for of the state of ukraine, to prepare the troops, to prepare the cities in order to restrain this enemy, and the second very important component . i talked with other commanders, uh, this

experience that they gained during the war is a component that gave faith that this horde that is moving towards our state of ukraine can be beaten when there are a thousand of you and there are 15,000 of them, they can be beaten and they were beaten near mariupol, they made several assaults, there were more than 10, but the guys buried more than 10,000 of them there, also near mariupol, and this gave faith to our armed forces of ukraine and other units that this horde we can destroy and that's why we lasted a year thanks to the heroic feat and heroes of the defenders of mariupol well, maybe this is the last or penultimate question, or maybe a group of questions depends, er, mr. mayor, look at what worries me personally, not what worries me, but what doesn't match, but i'm looking closely at

the other side of the word collaboration because there is collaboration and there is collaboration. so there is a person who goes to serve voluntarily. and there is a person who has his own shop and in the shop he has two or three workers who feed themselves from this shop. and if some russian came to buy in this shop bread you already know i'm here, i'm here - as the russians say, i'm haunted by vague doubts. and you and i spend a lot of time on the post -war situation, and i just, uh, sometimes i consult with lawyers and talk to different people, i say it will be very, it will be extremely difficult cut off and good from evil no, i'll just give an example, maybe not even for you, because i think you have such a lot of examples, but for the audience , rather, i know agricultural producers in the chernihiv region, and one of

them, when russia was advancing, he is such a platifundist, he has a lot of land many he met various opportunities. well, not specifically, but he met some officers who said listen, let's give you moonshine, i'll give you lard, heat up, eat, just don't shoot, and he had everything left, dozens if not hundreds of jobs who continued to go to work, who earned some money, who paid taxes in ukrainian, on which the ukrainian army received, well, it received something , that is, but there will be people, you understand, who will say about a collaborator, and here is such a complicated story, where is the collaborator real? collaboration with ukraine, how does the state think about it, are

there even any lawyers around you, because this is an extremely difficult situation, especially in mariupol, where even before the war there were many people there, as you just said yourself, and during the war, someone voluntarily came and surrendered a ukrainian patriot, and someone just continued to go to work in different ways, it is not ambiguous what do you think about it well, first of all, there is also a law on collaborationism, this is a sign of collaborationism and there is responsibility for it if we say that someone was there, someone was waiting, who is a certain sign we have already seen them, they then came to power, this is the opposition platform for life, it is almost unanimous until it becomes its own 19 19 deputies, they went over to the side of the occupiers, they hid in the city, hid outside the city limits , corrected in for example, we created a warehouse to

provide shelter with food there e- e medical facilities with medicines, that is, they bought all these medicines, food, diapers there, and they bought all this and hid it at the utility company. ah, but few people knew about it. warehouses we were unfortunately left with nothing, then they hit the food warehouses, they hit the shops, that is, they understand from the inside and this is collaborationism, we identified them who are these people , er, they are deputies, they became then someone declared himself the mayor of the city as mr. vashchenko they then became deputy mayors , we understand everything and we have already worked out certain suspicions, signed certain cases, have already opened them, and now we are dealing with those people who cooperated with them, that is, they also became part of

the authorities, created some documents, signed some financial contributions are also collaborationism, and if you are the director of this hospital and you sign, for example, there is such a specialist who stayed, also a deputy and he stayed, and also this is laboratsilinsk, there is a teacher and a cultural figure who today teach russian language, russian history, sing the russian national anthem they are not in this law. about when this is collaborationism, that's why we say that we need to deal with what you suggest as lawyers to finalize this law and that we not only do military deoccupation, we need educational deoccupation cultural de-occupation, historical de-occupation, and god forbid this teacher, who right now in mariupol is teaching our

children, god forbid, he even left a kindergarten for the teachers so that it wouldn’t happen, that there wouldn’t be this nanny too, so that there wouldn’t be those people who crossed over to this side such cooperation that does not correspond to this law , they should no longer work within the educational environment of our cultural environment, that is, they cannot work, another component, someone received, thank you , thank you, mr. volodymiychenko, mayor of mariupol, this is already his second term of office. he was elected twice by the people of mariupol, the city is a hero . i already see some perspective