[000:00:00;00] the very wording of the pancake on er that any options are on the table including a military option to stop iran from er obtaining nuclear weapons if he testifies to this er in other options er how can we agree, that is, i i am talking about the possibility of concluding a new nuclear agreement in which the interests of all countries would be taken into account and which would ensure peace in the middle east and , accordingly , deny iran support from russia. irani and the possibility of a military operation a v why is china interested when it comes to iran? president raisi recently visited beijing and met with the leadership of china . why are there two points? the first point is china

, of course, it is very interesting because the chinese were generally self-sufficient. they never created any alliances around them. i.e. they sat quietly and went about their business, ah, it was the first time here and there were few big problems, let’s say, with the environment, yes , that is, practically all the countries around china were not friendly in one way or another, but here, china decided to form an alliance for the first time, and iran looks like one of those countries that china is looking at and maybe it just wants to . well, it shows readiness to form such an alliance with iran. how powerful will it be? how obvious will it be? this is saudi arabia. well, in general , the persian gulf countries, the problem is that the chinese are ready to invest in these countries, huge

resources, with muhammad and salman , the two of you are visiting the negotiations and the visit, we know how much this is very important for china, and iran is speaking very nervously here about strengthening contacts between china and saudi arabia, that's why these negotiations were also aimed at, if not resolving these contradictions, then at least clarifying the details of the activity a little kytaev ukraine of the persian gulf thank you thank you for him ihor timygolos director of the center of middle eastern studies we were on this conversation on this broadcast we will return literally at the desk i feel chained to the chair everything

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with a 20% discount." we continue the informational broadcast of the espresso tv channel on the air, the program saturday buyout angelika sezonka and vitaly portnikov good evening to everyone who has just joined our broadcast at this hour, and mr. vitaly and i will talk about the fact that the leaders of france and germany are forcing zelensky to sit down again at the negotiating table with the russian president , dictator putin, we will talk about how the world's attitude towards ukraine has changed during the year of full-scale russian aggression, and also about why western sanctions have not significantly have weakened russia, we will have many other interesting topics, but we will start with the one that was announced, so macron and scholz called on zelensky to return to negotiations with the russian federation, the walstria journal writes, in particular, according to people familiar with the negotiations, during a meeting in paris at the beginning of february, macron said

to zelenskiy that even mortal enemies such as france and germany had to conclude after the second world war and makrondav that zelenskiy will eventually have to switch gears and make difficult decisions mr. vitaly or it is appropriate here to compare it with the second world war, because after all, we have not yet stopped hostilities, the russian federation does not agree to withdraw troops, etc. well, first of all, we do not know what macron and zelensky actually said, because this is only information, this information is what appears in the media officially neither the president of france nor the federal chancellor of germany said anything like that, on the other hand, i want to remind you of a simple thing that the president of the united states and the president of france and the federal chancellor of germany and the prime minister of great britain, both the current one and the one who began to be with ukraine at the time of the war, bozhi johnson, all the time said that they were supplying weapons to ukraine so that

ukraine could liberate as many of its territories as possible, and it had a strong position on negotiations with the russian federation are true. well, what is sensational in this message , which contradicts these statements in the west , they say all the time that the war must end with negotiations sooner or later, and that ukraine must have a strong position in these negotiations, well now she is not strong enough yet, she is obviously not strong enough now, but i want to tell you about another one. i am different from macron and scholz. this biden does not believe that this war will end with negotiations. i believe that when we say that macron and scholz are pushing for negotiations with zelenskyi, they always have ask yourself the question if this is really so because we saw that there is another message that suma's decision told zelensky that we will give you more weapons and there will be a special relationship with

nato but you have to start negotiations with russia yes and will putin agree to this we we can at least say tomorrow, well, we can’t. we have a decree of the president of russia and ukraine that no negotiations can be held with this president of russia , and that there will be any negotiations. will not accept well, that is, as real we have what they said yesterday, maria zakharova, on what issues can they negotiate, this is the recognition of territorial realities, that is, ukraine should recognize the crimea of ​​donetsk luhansk kherson zaporizhzhia oblast is part of russia and withdraw its troops from those territories of zaporizhzhia and kherson oblast, luhansk oblast and donetsk oblast, in which ukrainian troops are located , it must also be understood that if we go - we go for the recognition of territorial realities, it means that

we are leaving kherson, leaving the regional center for the second time demilitarization third neutral status neutral status from the point of view of the russian federation is not just not joining nato, i want to remind you that this is the termination of special partnership relations and disarmament by the united states, i.e. the creation of such a country that, from the kremlin's point of view, will not pose a threat to russia itself and to the russian-speaking population that has decided to live in russia, where militarization is taking place , we still do not know what de-nazification is, i believe that it is the destruction of all those who believes that ukraine should be a sovereign independent european state according to the lists that will be provided to the president zelenskyi kremlin and i will not be surprised that his own relatives will be there now on this list and

associates and by the way where is nazification more approval than simply that the russian language should be the second state language of ukraine there will be a lot of all sorts of loboda on these conditions , russia can start negotiations well, of course , who in ukraine will not agree with this but i think that even if these conditions are imagined that ukraine starts such we have a great example of the minsk agreements, the first point of the minsk agreements, and it was approved by president putin in the presence of federal chancellor merkel and the president, the withdrawal of the russian the troops of the occupation forces from the occupied territories, it was written there. well, that russian troops once left in 8 years. no , well, they found out now, we talked with you last week that they were not going to fulfill the duties of the chairman, what were you thinking of fulfilling them for them?

the minsk agreements were a trap for ukraine to make certain decisions that led to the destabilization of the situation in our country, and they were very offended when we did not make such decisions . so, you all remember this decision that was accepted by yarmak and the cossacks created by this council some of you representatives of ukraine spoke on an equal footing with the representatives of the so-called people's republics, what did they want, the stein formula, the stein mayer formula, yes, yes, and a lot of things, you can remember the clashes before the supreme power that during poroshenko's presidency, when they passed this law on special status , what was it for them it was necessary, but in any case, i don't even believe in such negotiations. i keep saying whether there could be a situation in which the ukrainian armed forces would cross the state borders in 1991

in 1991, there may be quotes, will the russians think that this is the real state border of ukraine? no, they will think that it is a demarcation line between two armies, that is , wherever we go, it will be a democratic line between the two armies today, by the way . just today, the russian ambassador to of the people's republic of china said that if ukrainian troops advance on the constitution through the constitutional territory of the russian federation with the help of american weapons, this will be perceived by russia with appropriate decisions on so how should we act, that is, there will be an answer, and they consider our territories that they occupied to be constitutional, do you notice that this is a new term, the constitutional territory of the russian federation, it is not an international recognized border of the russian federation, that is, there are

international recognized borders, and there is a constitutional territory, these are different territories and if the russian federation considers it possible to use , say, some special means of e-defense or nuclear weapons in the event that the enemy is on its constitutionally recognized territory, then it can at the expense of the recognized the territories of khocherevsky and that's all well, that is, nothing has happened yet. i also want to say about this, they have already beaten crimea , although officially, and i am curious, they are located on the recognized territory of the russian federation in the city of kherson, zaporozhye. by the way, putin for some reason in his speech i also called it a return home, of course, because the zaporizhia region became a subject of the russian federation with melitopol as its center . well, because there are ukrainian troops on the kostinov territory. well, but they don't do anything, and that's also very conditional a question arises. here i say that if crimea is there, it will anger putin. you are not a constitutionally

recognized territory in different grades . this is the first grade, you know like a fillet. everything else, the first is too much, everyone is accepted, which will anger putin . he has been angry for a long time and we can see it in the dismissals. so i think that we should not pay attention to this, we should prepare for the end of the war without any real negotiations and solutions, that is, war it will end and you already know the victory day and they will be here. we will simply know that our troops are here standing next to them, the russian troops are standing next to them, the missiles are not flying, but if russia collects them, then in 5 days after our territory is completely cleared of the enemy will launch some kind of missile attack of incredible force on someone there in kiev, let's say, and there will be no electricity again, it could be. it could be that it will be rockets, and it could be like that for how many years . as long as you like, as long as

putin is alive, how long will there be is a real moment, if we go to our international liberation borders, we are accepted, then this is a dilemma, we don't know what will happen next, let's say we were accepted into nato, and let's say russian aviation is shelling sevastopol, the ukrainian base in sevastopol because it is ukrainian, is nato responsible in this situation or nato too believes that if russia acts on its constitutional territories although this territory is an internationally recognized territory of ukraine, then risking a nuclear conflict it is not necessary and sufficient to limit ourselves to ukraine's note, but nato does not

recognize crimea as a cool russian question yes, we are deeply concerned, we believe that an attack on sevastopol or donetsk is a cry that it is a violation of the sovereignty of ukraine, but we demand that russia first of all change its constitution with the withdrawal of crimea and donetsk , luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia region . let the rates be changed, ukraine will change the constitution. why did the criminato bastards accept the composition of a country whose troops are located at the constitutional exit of the territory of the russian federation, you are black risking a nuclear conflict can be so socialist with surrealism no, they will not go over with troops, but they can do something, some kind of provocations, some volumes, this can also happen, that is, we must prepare for the fact that the word peace in this territory will not be used during the lifetime of several generations, so everyone is now thinking i'm probably saying terrible things, but i'm saying a simple thing: life in the state of israel, does the state of israel have internationally recognized borders, where do they not exist

, no one knows exactly in which jurisdictions now is there a state in general, who says that it should return to the borders there in 1967, and the days are about to agree with the palestinian authority on the delimitation of the territory, and the palestinian authority says that we do not recognize the existence of israel at all, and why do we have to negotiate with it and that's how it can go. well, it's been 80 years and it's almost going on. it can be like that between us and russia . it can be like that. it can be 80 years. 80, i don't think they 'll live that long. putin. the question is how much this position will change after putin , that is, after putin, it may be different. may the end of the war, but the option of a constitutionally recognized territory. it may remain steadfast. that is, it may be a political issue, which of the many will run for office in the elections, i will say that if i become

president, i will believe that russia should give all its real territories to ukraine, because all this is only on the diploma and receive 10% of the votes of the voters, something tells me that the russians do not really want to give crimea and these territories, because they are the same empires as the lux empire in the text, or do they think that the real winner of the presidential and parliamentary elections elections of the russian federation can only be a person who will tell the voters we will do everything possible to return our constitutional territory here is putin - a corrupt and scoundrel who could not protect the constitutional territories of the russian federation well he died and the hell with him and i i am against the war russians should not answer but i will be through negotiations through economic pressure. you and i must do everything possible to bring ukraine to its knees. we will talk to our western partners so that the aggressor is the aggressor.

came out of the crimea, stopped fishing for our brothers who live there and this will also happen at this moment, there may not be a war, it may be for the next president of the russian federation , who will be the heir to this. and this is how it can turn out, i don't see any big i said against the ukrainians' testimony to such a life during the next meetings , and that's why i say we should go to nato, that 's why when they are there we will say it. such a guy, in every election of the president of argentina, there is always talk about the fact that the generals are argentinian, that then the dictators lost the war for the falkland islands , which are actually malvinas, from everyone who is running for office to write to the president of argentina , he says, i will solve this problem, it is not solved simply by the faustian machine of the islands 100%

the population wants to live as part of great britain well, it is not decided, well, what can you do, but how important is it to the british? it was very important when argentina was crazy military honda that wanted to fight now argentina government that do not want to fight but want to solve this problem diplomatically, here we need to sit opposite the russians, everyone told us , do you understand crimea, the original russian land and we indicated - now the translator will translate for us crimea is an eternal russian land oh you understand we do not agree with this position we have a different position so let's review these positions where we can find an understanding this is how it should happen if we don't as members, of course. no one will talk to us like that, mr. vitaly, they offer alternatives, they say well, if not in nato, give us some security guarantees, you remember before the full-scale invasion, just such conversations were actively held. and what could be such

security guarantees, which countries should act as such guarantors there are no security guarantees other than ato, there is a very simple reason nato is not just defense, it is a serious union that includes three countries that have nuclear weapons, one of them has nuclear weapons two countries in the world have such a level of military power: the united states and the russian federation, therefore nato is a very defensive alliance, it is a nuclear umbrella. by the way, for the people 's republic of china, relations with russia are also a question of a nuclear umbrella, because china has a nuclear power, but it is inferior to the american in all parameters, and the russian one is not inferior. thus , by and large, the situation looks like this if we are next to a nuclear state and do not have similar security guarantees, that is, we are not members of the club states that have nuclear weapons, then this state can blackmail other states with a nuclear conflict at any time

. thus, all these fictions about what could be something else. this is the very suggestion, we can of course sign any document to indicate that this is a security guarantee and then it will be like the budapest memorandum, we will say oh my god, what are you not doing, we are not doing it because you did not promise to do it , the security guarantors promised to do it and who knew that russia this is how they quickly violate the horror that we we condemn, we introduce new sanctions. oh, you have broken five more cities. what a horror. we invite new sanctions. well, this is what we are seeing now. it will happen again, and on a larger scale. so i am convinced that we need to fight for real to be an intermediate mechanism

, we end the war, we submit an application to nato, nato itself accepts this application, the transition period begins. made from finland to sweden i'm not saying that it's probable, i'm saying that it's legally correct because russia definitely understands that they can't attack finland now, why attack finland now? finland is not a member of nato, but a backup option - it's the same as attacking finland too many nato member countries will not protect finland, they have no obligations to it, but the united states, great britain, that is enough and right here too. if we manage to implement such a mechanism, we will be able to become nato members at least in 10 years if we live under the umbrella of these guarantees, but we don't need to relax either because , you know, the president is changing in america too, and it would be better if these guarantees didn't last long, and then it was up to me, and now we have very good prospects , at least because of the state of this person now

you see, i wouldn't start thinking about it now, i would start thinking about a situation that will be related to distant prospects, she has already lived here all the time, the president of the united states is elected for four years. well, there will be one president who will not be very inclined then it is very prone but all this we cannot depend on it forever that is why i repeat exclusively eh we must earn everything possible so that the year already a full-scale war and of course on the eve of february 24 and now a little after people have certain such moods of disappointment and devastation because of course, everyone wanted to leave with some enthusiasm , so what is possible. after all , the war will end, we see that it will not end , and your forecasts, including work in action

, we see in reality how to look for ourselves further. strength and to understand that this is a long game, well, you need to talk not with me, you need a psychologist now, no, not only emotionally , you know the country, but we are capable of this, socially , this assistance is sufficient to maintain a certain social stability of the country, to maintain the stability of the national currency exchange rate it exists. it exists. this exchange rate. imagine that it was not supported now. imagine what the hryvnia exchange rate would be and how it would change every day . we had huge inflation, we would have currency exchange rates changing every day, people would receive their salaries in bags of hryvnias

, this is all there is, and there is a certain stability, then i am absolutely sure that the state should have accounted for the decision to support the economy in those regions where it can be safe and i am entertaining them that here it is necessary not to look for opportunities to knock out taxes, this and that, on the contrary , to create taxes, vacations to give people the opportunity to save themselves because the state saves other states and people must show initiative. then, after the war, of course, you can return to absolutely logical, civilized standards of taxation, but in any case, now you have to do everything possible so that people want to take the initiative , so that they want to do business in risky conditions, so that they want to take some loans and take risks that, in principle , a person has no incentive to do it now because well, this is all a very important thing . by the way, now many ukrainian refugees

are abroad in the european union including a p vitaly, how long is it possible for such countries, based on some previous experience of other countries, they can help us now, they provide free social housing there, some kind of monetary support, they allow us to work, they provide free medical insurance , but can it last there for five years, it can to last indefinitely, it can simply decrease in volume, and in addition, all countries, especially european countries, they do not like uh, let's say social, that's why they will do everything possible so that people have integrated such a life. yes, they will, they will lay down effortful language courses, help courses in e-e, obtaining new specialties. such things will happen to people who are abroad, they also need to realize that they can expect to return to the country. but at the same time, understand that if they chose the way before waiting

for a war abroad, it can be a long period and before this long period, you also need to be ready because no one will tell them except politicians who of course everything always happens in a few months when in reality the war will not end when it is safe in ukraine well, what does safe mean, safe and now you can work in many places and regions from the point of view of safety, but from the point of view of economic expediency, it is the same again. you are back, and what will you do here? how are you? you feed yourself, you have to tact the level well, you also need to realize this, so i have to say that i am not a supporter of this point of view that we should just sit and think that in a few months it will be the end, we can always

there are non-objective circumstances putin left under uh something happened to him something finally fell on him and now there is a transition period putin is not there the war is over stopped the resources have run out china was not going to give anything or was going to and didn't give anything everything can happen but then again every a person has to decide for himself and what is the end of the war for him, he repeats, there may not be such a moment when the president of ukraine will appear and say , dear compatriots, the war is over , the enemy surrendered on the towers of the kremlin, now the flag of ukraine or we have signed a peace agreement president putin and i met and signed an agreement on russia's eternal non-aggression against ukraine, and we exchanged pens , here is the pen, if he violates it, he simply won't meet, he won't sign if you give him a pen , he will be a complete newbie. i would say

that president zelensky they didn't even have time to come forward and inform about what he had signed. so this also needs to be understood . there may not be this point where everything will focus. there may not be a point that will be set . it may simply not be. war and i repeat, you can decide that this is the end of some borders, the cessation of some military actions, the signing of some temporary armistice agreement. again, you will think that this is over - this is an armistice, to what extent or not it will be violated, who signed it in general , that is, or here is the localization of the conflict, the final localization of the conflict within the donbass, it continues for months and years, this is the end of the war. well, we are 14 years old, so , well, it is up to you, and will this end of the war not turn into a new big conflict and