[000:00:00;00] he was persecuted and arrested by communist idols when it was not yet mainstream for his position. he tried his hand at journalism, but he preferred politics. together with his friends, he created one of the first databases about separatists and pro-russian terrorists, which later became part of the peacemaker project. he is convinced that the mission of ukrainians is to bury the last the empire of the world of the full-scale aggression of the russian federation against ukraine, and how has our country changed, how have people changed and how have you personally changed, the country has changed not the other way around unfortunately, not everyone still understands because a lot of people still think that when we win, when the war is over, we will return back

well, on february 23, 2022, this is not true, we will never return there already, uh, a completely new set of problems has appeared in the country and the very face of the country is already completely different i am talking here not only about a -ah i am not only talking about the devastation i am talking not only about the destruction of the city homes er energy a large part of people left them won't come back, we need to live with it somehow change our lives, the country's financial and economic system has changed, a large number of enterprises that we were focused on has been destroyed , the foreign policy situation has changed, because even before the great war, a significant part of ukrainian business was oriented towards russian or the belarusian market and now

there is a simple choice for all of us, either we mentally , that is, here we come to the point that we need to build everything practically from scratch, or we continue to live in illusions that something it is possible to return, i assume that nothing can be returned and you have to live in a new reality for the whole country, this is a war , this is how it is for a person to get into a serious car accident, that is, you get some damage, you get some injuries , you get some injuries, and after them, your life continues, but it will never be the same as it was before, strains remain, something that does not work remains , something that does not work remains, and this is not the end of life , but your life changes irrevocably and in at some point you long enough how do people go through such traumas

uh people long enough regret the fact that everything is not the way it was and at some point they recognize a new reality and start living in it and then everything becomes normal and it will be the same with us received very heavy damage, but life goes on and we must admit it as soon as possible . and what do you see in ukraine after the victory, what should be done ? well, we understand that we will be helped. don't lose this chance yes for restoration for reconstruction for the restoration of political yes economic life er-e there is a very simple logic every crisis and war is the biggest crisis of those that can be every crisis is simultaneously the opening of some er-e the opening of a window of opportunities

that is, you can treat the crisis as you like, you can perceive it as a catastrophe , you can perceive it as the last day of your life, you can also perceive it as the most terrible thing that happened in that life, but the best thing is to simultaneously see the opportunities that open before you of course, even before us during this crisis, a window of opportunity opened, and this window of opportunity for joining the european union is a window of opportunity for joining nato. but at the same time, this is a window of opportunity to look around and see what was working badly in our country, and to understand that after the end of the war, e- eh or even while it is still going eh we can start building from scratch and that is very cool well just imagine eh just remember what we have faced constantly in life in the political in the social

by the fact that there are a huge number of reforms there that seem to us to be too difficult , that is, too many must be broken, too much must be forced to resist in order to make some reforms, the judicial police , that is, the police there, but mostly the police remained as they were police officers, yes, the economic financial relationship with the government, with the people , with the social contract, all this seemed to us to be enough and a peaceful life, despite the fact that the war had been going on since the 14th year of life mainly was peaceful for the majority of the population for the majority of the population of ukraine and it seemed to us that these stones are so big that we cannot move them but war is like an earthquake and it moves the stone itself and now while they are still in dynamics while they are still moving it is much

easier to change that is just imagine there, just remember what would have happened in the same kyiv or there throughout ukraine if , by february 23 of last year, the state had begun to take away the laurel from the russian orthodox church, and there was incredible resistance there, they would have brought out some processions streets and there were street fights and now there is nothing society is ready during crises for decisive changes this is what happens during a revolution this is what happens during an eyelash we will have to change and add new elements to the system in the name of justice, i explain why there i have the document for now since the beginning of the great war, more than 70,000 crimes have been discovered, an explanation

of the war, this is where everything is included, shelling, lord , tracts of murder, crimes against the civilian population, there is a huge list of crimes, and first of all, our criminal code does not include them very ready, well, frankly, let's call it because these crimes can be considered either as ordinary crimes, that is, individuals against individuals. and i think this is absolutely wrong , because the criminals were part of the armed forces of another state of the russian federation who came here , and the current criminal code of ukraine can consider such crimes or as a crime of the personality of the individual, it is wrong because they were evil, they were the system of the armed forces of the russian federation, they came here on the orders of vladimir putin, and if we consider

only the crime of an individual bury and against an individual ukrainian , then we will not be able to hold putin responsible the entire system to create separate structures, to transfer to them all crimes committed by the russian federation during the war in order to, on the one hand, have the opportunity by law to go to this lanka from the investigation to the court and further until the sentencing and then transfer to the international court of justice and possibly transfer to those foreign development agencies that can find the criminal buld and bring him to justice by any means . by the way, yes. many people say that it is necessary to create such a structure or organization. yes, they wrote that she would be given money and even money. we were looking for these criminals who are hiding there

in the territory of the russian federation. well, really, there should be some kind of specialized structure for this. by other processes i really want to create the same ukrainian plant, but i see that this problem entails three more and these three entail nine and they can all be solved but it will be a complex solution and it will be rather difficult for everyone, first of all, these are clothes, an international tribunal is being created, it is being created and it will consider the crimes of putin shoigu, all these beautiful women, their henchmen, they need to be given materials, materials, we have to provide them, we can’t now, because our court and investigative and prosecutor’s office, we all just in

absolutely collections due to the huge number of those cases that exist because, well, in the current procedural system, we consider each weapon that flew into the territory of the city of bakhmut as a separate crime , a separate proceeding is opened on it , a separate investigation is conducted on it. well, you understood that in the 14th year yes and you understand, well, with the current intensity of fighting, what a pile of paper we are creating for ourselves and we can't deal with it , we have to consider it from the other side. we have to consider the present war as a consequence of the great plan of the russian federation to destroy ukrainian statehood. this is a single complex of crime .

they themselves spoke absolutely frankly about it, and portnikov also mentioned that yeltsin said in 1991 or 1990 that russia would never let ukraine go and would never allow them to be completely independent the composition of the crime can be traced from the very beginning of our independence or even before it, and when we consider all this as a single big complex crime , a separate part is included here and there, and there is a separate episode , for example, the fact that russia sent murderers to the euromaidan as a separate episode put the annexation of crimea here as a separate episode , we can put anything here, and the battle near ilovaisk and so on and so on and so on, and this includes, for example, communists who were paid money in order for them to rock

the ukrainian state." structures, but it will allow us to systematize all crimes, to filter out who carried out or who gave the bloodiest orders and, accordingly, to hand over to some

power structure a short list for practice. we have to make a catalog and we have to make a register of these persons who participated in crimes because after the capitulation of the russian federation, we can put absolutely real language to issue this list of people who created which specifically created crimes against ukraine, the ideal situation for us is if we receive this list of people already knowing what crimes they committed, under what circumstances, where there are witnesses, where there is evidence of this crime, so that we can arrange a completely transparent fair trial and convict in the presence of the entire international community they are in addition to what the ukrainian legislation condemns them to. this is an ideal situation because there is a law in this , there is justice in this, and in this we do not

violate any international norms, but we must be ready for the fact that some part even the russian federation will not be able to catch these people. either it will cover them up or it will not be the russian federation anymore. there are several states that will be in some kind of weird relationship with each other , but we still demand justice, we still need it, we don't care we have to punish this list of criminals, and then with this list of those we have , we can hand it over, and at least to the main directorate of intelligence to work it out, and the main thing here will be that we give them a list of, for example, 50,000 criminals, but they have a uh job- there should be some uh labeling or some system that simply verifies and places them as you know as a rating yes, what is this crime number like in the usa like the fbi so this is criminal number one this is criminal

number 20 this is criminal number 10 is criminal number 3324, that is, so that no structure can cope with the search for 70,000 people abroad or 100,000 at the same time. yes, we must first search for no more criminals, then those who are smaller, then those who are smaller, then those who are smaller and this task is not this task is being carried out is not illusory, it is absolutely a working task, but it will require a huge amount of our human resources and resources, including financial and personnel, because the right personnel are needed here. and the most important thing is that we have to build the right logic here, because if we agree in order to, at the same time, hunt down 30,000 russians or 300,000 or a million russians. and we will simply

destroy the system itself and achieve nothing, but it is real as it is, what do you see as our victory, what should it be if imagine this day, for example. well, how should it be ideally or as a historian? maybe with some examples. why not ? it will definitely be a good day. it will definitely be a happy day for all of us, and i think that the news about it will come from sevastopol. i have such a suspicion because, at the moment, of all the territories seized by the russian federation, it is crimea that is the most protected and the most difficult to take , so i think that the war will end there , well, at least that is what military

practice suggests, because the peninsula is mountainous fortified, well, most likely it will be there a-a hm, but uh, i don't think that um, we have a hundred percent guarantee that the war will end precisely on this, because if we uh, again, while we are sitting here with you and let's talk if we imagine that an incredible brilliant operation took place right now at the front and we went completely to the borders of ukraine in 1991 , this absolutely does not prevent the russians from firing at us with calibers and or daggers from their territory and this is absolutely not enough for to say that the victory is already the final final victory will be the capitulation of the russian federation and its acceptance of our conditions , including the punishment of criminals, because for me personally it will not end until all these

criminals who committed crimes in buch in irpen in marik in the kherson region until all of them will not be punished, well, for me, the war and for a very large number of soldiers, the war will not end. what do you see as the future after signing the capitulation for russia ? a riot is a riot because ah, russians, despite this beautiful phrase, russians riot quite rarely, they willingly slip into some civil wars or something like that , but a riot as a riot is not peculiar to them in fact. but if we look at it from a historical point of view

then russia is the only fragment left from the beginning of the 20th century. this is the empire. almost all the empires that existed at the beginning of the 20th century were destroyed as a result of either the first or the second world war. the physical austro- hungarian empire was destroyed. the ottoman empire was destroyed. the empire was destroyed, fell apart, assembled a new one as the third reich and again it was destroyed, the french empire ceased to exist, ceased to exist, the british empire and only the russian empire continues to exist in one way or another. er, a torn heart, it still pulsates a little, yes, that is, if we look at the map of how the borders of russia have changed over the past 200 years, then we will see that at first it swelled there in the 19th century, then the first world war began and the russian

the empire collapsed, shrank and began to pulsate, it grew a little like the soviet union, but still did not reach the borders that were in the 19th century , it collapsed again. when it came to the 91st year, when everything was played out, the soviet union was again trying to expand a little at the expense of of ukraine and belarus and the georgian lands and transnistria. now we think that there will be a new pulsation and it is accelerating, that it will now fall apart again and gather in some even smaller form because russia as such has actually been chosen. it did not have a choice. such as in the united states, when the united states says that uh, we are all of the same nationality here, we are all americans here, and all the nations inside, all the races are all mixed and it is such a melting pot, as they call it, the russians did not go that way, they have separate national republics in which

relations with the russians, with moscow, and with each other are very difficult, and there was also a second option for russia to say that ah, we give independence to all national republics, and we ourselves remain a republic only for russians. yes, and this they also did not follow the path because it contradicts their imperial spirit , and the third option, in which they immediately try to live by combining everything. it is still alive as an empire. you gave an example with a heart. yes, what is growing, that is, in this case too, we can expect that now russia was trying to expand . yes, but uh, the military defeat came faster than it usually does, and now it will be stitched together. and i think that we are waiting for uh, another one

the work of the orientations, as we saw at the end of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s. who will it be? i am not ready to say. but if we and the western countries react correctly and show that we are ready to support this parade of sovereignties, then we can expect to appear on the map. -e new independent republics that were now the russian federation and it will be more correct for all of us because then moscow will be forced to deal with them and divert resources there and this will only speed up our victory in this war as you met a year ago the beginning of this war on february 23 me and tyra and

serge marko volunteered to go to mariupol and spent the night there. we didn't have to go to marik at all. we had to go to upper toretske. it 's between horlivka and donetsk. it's at the position of the 503rd marine infantry battalion, and they have a base in mariupol . i don't know what people stayed there. 10 well, in short, not very much, and we stayed there to hang out, we did so often, and hmm , at four in the morning, the major woke us up there and said that according to the statute, during an attack on the base , everyone is obliged to defend with all the forces and means where we already have a brand sleeping in one he flew into our room like that and said that you guys somehow forced me to pull on the means. that's why you're wearing this, please take your weapons and go to protect you, and accordingly , at the beginning of the war, we already patrolled, er, this base there, she tried to help with something,

actually, eh they were patrolling, there was a test for a couple of days, and at that moment i already had a contract with the 130th territorial defense battalion of the armed forces of ukraine. it's not for the second or third time i remember after that returned to kyiv, i became the dollar of my battalion well, accordingly , kyiv-kyiv oblast irpin kharkiv oblast our task in kharkiv oblast was to reach the borders with the russian federation from the side of belgorod oblast, uh, somewhere halfway there, i got wounded and the battalion reached the border and recaptured bakhmut. now the cool battalion is resting a little. the most difficult day in this war for you is the second after being wounded. well, because on the first

day, if you didn’t have to worry too much , and because, well, there it was unclear whether you will you survive or not, even if all other problems were put on the back burner, and the next day you try this in the hospital, you look at yourself , you try to understand how life will look like now, because it looks like it looked like they were there. the day of hostilities, well, the day of the injury was difficult, it was an assault by russians from the village of dementiivka, near the belohorod highway, and there were many difficult people, but also many, many difficult, but the company is good about the injury, how is the rehabilitation going, the doctors have done everything they can now

regularly every day, several hours of rehabilitation with a rehabilitation specialist, you need to develop a leg, develop an arm, it is shorter and difficult, but it was worse and it could have been worse , so there will be no regrets about the idea of ​​adaptive clothing. how did you come up with the idea of ​​adaptive clothing? i was still there in the first month, and when i was already being treated in kyiv when i was evacuated, because my arm was simply dislocated, there were always those with my leg , the same story, plus there, the leg was still bent. my hand is semi-paralyzed, er, well, i actually couldn't put on normal clothes. well, lying around naked is also such a dubious idea, because er , well, everyone knows very well that the way a person is dressed er, it depends on whether he starts us or, hmm, does he understand himself

does she perceive herself as beautifully dressed, well-groomed , clean and so on depends on her psychological state, which is very important during illness or injury, and accordingly it was very uncomfortable. velcro and also emphasized that, unfortunately, such clothes are not enough, and i, through one of the surgeons of the institute of traumatology, went to see how i followed my own team with a guy who owns a clothing brand, and we together with him, they made a collaboration and now uh, people dropped uh, uh, on our bank, and orders there for 23 million hryvnias, and accordingly, with this money, these clothes are sewn and we distribute them in hospitals, in hospitals where uh, uh, military personnel with injuries are being treated limbs and volunteers in

a lot and did already before that and started to do after this story, there is still not enough for the sake of it well, anyway, there is such a number of wounded that well, plus, it is desirable for each person to have at least one t-shirt and not just one pair of pants. let's conclude that in our country it will be some kind of state program, conditionally speaking, that is, in the case of receiving an injury or receiving a similar injury, yes, a person will simply be given such clothes in the hospital, but for now, with such a number of wounded as we have, well, about that even well, it's too early to talk. well, about the state program, you have to talk to someone . i don't like to do things that don't make sense

. to be honest, i understand that with the current hole in the budget and the destroyed economy , we still lacked such expenses i think that we can take and i will talk about taking a grant for the production of such and such clothes somewhere abroad. but i understand that now our budget does not cover critical things , really critical things, and i just don't want to do this. just won't now, if it is done, it will be done at the expense of taxpayers of other countries, because we definitely do not have money in the budget for this, we are at the threshold, yes, by ourselves or with the help of friends from the west. well, in fact, this is a correct story when , uh, in the hospital, a person receives clothes, yes. that is

if you watch american movies and tv series, yes, you see that people pull on us such, you know, capes, such and such, with ties, this is precisely why it is done , so that a person with any kind of injury can wear clothes calmly, and well, if eh because in case of injuries, it is less often. and when you are wounded, you are often cut off without clothes. you are left without clothes in the hospital. yes, what i was there was cut off with scissors, everything was covered with a leaky cloth , thrown away like water, and well, you are left with nothing. that is why it is right, but now this, like many other things, will be closed exclusively by volunteers and concerned citizens about the army about the criminal responsibility of the military, of course, and i am very sorry that my voice and the voice of other military personnel, as well as lawyers, lawyers, journalists, those who are deeply immersed in this