[000:00:00;00] energy and he doesn't succeed. so, i sincerely invite you to watch this conversation with sergey, friends, it will be right after the news release on our channel. now i only have to pass the floor to amie melnyk, who will introduce you to the news that was already prepared by my colleagues with the news of this hour this day so please, please, good evening two explosions rang out at the airfield in macholyshchy, as a result of which a russian transport plane and

snow removal equipment were damaged , the belarusian mass media report that the airfield is 12 km away from minsk, the belarusian district reports on the activation of the police in this area, law enforcement officers are checking all the cars and mobile phones of people, a large accumulation of military equipment has also been recorded , he noted that russian carriers of hypersonic dagger missiles are constantly rising from the macholyshchy airfield , which provokes a large-scale air alarm throughout ukraine for the second time in a week under the watch of fighters the 110th brigade shot down a su-25 attack aircraft , journalist andriy tsaplienko reported. the pilot allegedly managed to eject this time. at the same time, the ministry of defense of the russian federation has not yet commented on this information. i will remind you that on thursday, an su-25 plane crashed near the ukrainian border in the belgorod region. the pilot did not get out. this is our

land, our people, our history. we will return the ukrainian flag to every corner of ukraine , president volodymyr zelenskyi said on the ninth anniversary of the invasion. russians in crimea to ukrainians on the occasion of the day of resistance to the occupation of crimea, and the us ambassador to ukraine bridget bring, she said that the united states condemns russia's shameful attempt to change the demographic situation in crimea through forced deportation on february 26, 2014 thousands of crimean tatars and ukrainians gathered to proclaim that we are ukrainians crimea is ukraine while you fight for your sovereignty and democracy the usa will support you to create a future that will give everyone freedom and dignity and justice tanks will come but not so quickly the head of the ministry of defense of germany

or raspistorius in an interview with deutschland stated that ukraine will be able to form two battalions. and these are 62 units of leopard 2 tanks , according to him, for the formation of the second battalion by ukraine, it is possible to use leopard-2a6 tanks that germany promised to hand over, at the same time, in history, he was skeptical about further deliveries of german tanks, because we have to wait for new models from the industry. so we deliver tanks in large quantities. i am very sure that together with the leopard two a6s, we will receive even more then at the end to prove next year we will talk about several battalions, well those 300 tanks that ukraine is planning and then you will see how the course of the war will change after that

, it still broke with illegal migrants today near the coast of southern italy, 43 people died, another 80 migrants from iran, afghanistan and pakistan were rescued , firefighters are patrolling the surrounding beaches to find those who survived in the cold water, at least 20 seven people reached the shore , the ship was thrown onto the coastal rocks by the storm , the prime minister italy's giorgia meloni expressed deep sadness in connection with the fatal incident and promised to stop illegal sea migration in order to minimize similar cases. in turkey, the police opened cases against more than six hundred people involved. to the construction industry, almost two hundred of them are already under arrest, the escapes writes, among the suspects are contractors, building owners and company managers, the mayor of one of the cities located near the epicenter of the earthquake was also arrested as a result of the earthquakes that happened on february 6

, 173,000 buildings were destroyed or seriously damaged, according to experts many buildings were built from low-quality materials due to technology and did not meet state standards, noted that the total number of deaths due to earthquakes in turkey and syria has already exceeded 50 thousand people, a large-scale road accident in russia in the novgorod region on a toll road collided with at least 32 cars, including 25 cars and seven trucks , according to the russian agency tas , as a result, the road to moscow was closed, according to official data, the cause of the road accident was unfavorable weather conditions, according to preliminary data, one the driver was killed, 12 more people were injured, four children were injured among them , the players

of the lviv football club in turkey tore down the russian flag , the players noticed the enemy tricolor nearby of the hotel where the club is holding a winter meeting, after which several players removed it and took it with them, the corresponding video was posted directly by the participant of this action, fc lviv defender oleksiy dityatyev, later in the comments, he added that the russian rag was lying in the toilet for some time, after which it was thrown into the trash until the meeting at 7 p.m. :00 read more about important things on our website espresso tv subscribe to our channels in social networks be close it is difficult to talk about what you feel when you have urinary incontinence an unpleasant situation can

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espresso and today, our interlocutor is writer and public figure serhiy zhadan congratulations hello serhii, what a god your day is february 24 it was just a day at the border, you can say i was going to vinnytsia, we were supposed to have a concert in vinnytsia with musicians and they went earlier by train. manager and said that the war had started. i said well then we went back to kharkov and i became a goat at the station, they picked me up and we went to the east and all of us had such a very strange feeling when you go and only military equipment from kyiv is going to the east from the dnipro, from kharkiv, there are long convoys of civilians, people are taking their families out, well, that is, practically, you saw it all in reverse, like a film that

rewinds in different directions, and in other directions, and what was kharkiv like when you saw it, kharkiv was chaotic that is, we the next day, with colleagues with whom we volunteered, we immediately went to the unit that we supported, they were located in the city and from kharkov thousands of people were leaving at the stations. the ants just tried to save each other , climbed out, ran away, and in the first days there was just total chaos in the city, well, people were generally aware of what was happening. everyone just realized what was happening, that's why they tried to get families out faster, get children out, get older people out in order to get settled in new circumstances, that is, in this match, there was just an internal logic to the external chaos, because i think people immediately determined what to do, either to stay or to leave if to stay then what to do i think that somewhere subconsciously kharkiv was

ready for all this and that is a very interesting moment, a moment of the subconscious, because i never talked about it about my kyiv friends there, although i understood that a major attack was aimed at seizing kyiv , that is, it is impossible to do without kyiv, and that kyiv could be under such an attack, at least under a missile attack, we did not really imagine the troops from the belarusian side, in general, it became realistically possible only there after 2020, but my kharkiv acquaintances always said that kharkiv was just on the front line , that's how far the people who lived here were, it was always such a perfect measure, mr. because the war continued in the 13th year and kharkiv is being returned that it is 40 km from the border with the potential enemy and with the aggressor with the potential aggressor anyway peaceful life was here as you say correctly here it was a young student city where there were under 400,000 students, there were a lot of foreigners, which is a sign that people felt confident if the foreigners stayed here

, but i think it means that behind this laxity was the understanding that if it starts, it will start with us because we are really the closest to outpost da we are actually the frontier, right here behind the garden russia begins, and i think that well, one way or another, the city was ready for this war, it was ready for war. i think the russians were not ready for what we are ready for, because when they came here, for them it was well, it was supposed to be such an easy walk, it was considered that they do not go to the russian place at all . first of all, they were convinced that they would be greeted with flowers . what when russian convoys entered there, our border guards immediately left. we didn’t fight . there were no such small ones, and the russian officers simply calmed down the local population.

and you will live as we did, that is, we were not absolutely convinced that this would not be a war, that it would all end quickly, the special operations would argue, and we know our soldiers who stood on the northern seltivka, that is exactly where they were the biggest battles in the first days. and we came to them on the second or third day of this great war, went to their position , they were there in the houses, they entertained the local population from there, they took positions in the outermost row of houses and they say how they understand what is happening the russians start a column, we destroy it, if we don’t push the place, they start the next column, we also destroy them. they say that we have already destroyed three columns, that is, they were completely unprepared, they did not understand what to do, how to fight it. they thought that they they will simply enter the city in a convoy, take flowers from the hands of the local grateful population. well, i don't know, they will change the flag above the city council and the regional council. well, they will go on to kyiv. i guess that's how he saw it all, but if we talk about

how the mentality of the east has changed during this year, it's important in fact, because we perfectly understand what is happening here. i think that it is precisely in the slobozhanshchyna , and that is the urban slobozhanshchyna, that this relationship with russia was of a completely different quality than even somewhere in the south in odesa, because odesa lived a myth about russia it is actually very far from russia geographically, and kharkiv lived a diffusion with russia. at least with this belograd russia, you know, it seems to me that kharkiv's connection with russia is a little exaggerated, so remember how our president said that kharkiv is an endangered city precisely because here it is very strong connection, just such a family icon. it seems to me that this is a little exaggerated, and there is also a certain kind of operation in this, which was largely dissolved by certain political forces. that is, everyone is used to the fact that kharkiv is almost a russian city they are used to talking about this in russia and sent to ukraine, unfortunately, the president is used to saying

that in fact the situation is really broken, they showed that kharkiv has always been a ukrainian city. subdued and in this situation, she is not so herself uh, she wasn't born that way how much did she reveal herself, well, that is, she was always active it was a ukrainian city , in fact, i always talked about it, just not everyone listened, not everyone listened, because you know right here, even how to say it correctly, the indicator is not how many ukrainian signs we have now and how we change the toponymy because, well, these are rather formal things, these things are related, they called it detection, how many of us are making cabinet decisions, it will be possible to live on bandera street and consider him nationalists is indisputable. so, what matters more here is how people began to defend the place, since kharkiv residents volunteered, how many kharkiv residents volunteered, and this means that these are the people who

until february 24, to a large extent, did not strongly participated in some political processes. that is, these are the people who were not there, for example, on the maidan in 14th year, these are those people. well, many of them were voters, for example, of the late kernes, but when the war began, it was clearly obvious to them that they had to go and defend their city and their country yes, this is an important point, but still, these people defended the city as a place of residence or the state as a value, or at the same time, i think that this did not contradict the other. which is triggered by a personal war moment, you can keep your distance until the last, try to be impartial and neutral, but when a projectile flies into your house, well, it already starts to affect you and you already start to consider it your business , according to our plan, it becomes something very personal for you and not just something decorative at the level of patriotism. i think that patriotism is local. it is there . you know, we are used to it. it seems to me that

it can somehow be correlated and correlated with separatism. what if you love your city? well you should love the country first of all, and in fact, it seems to me that there is nothing wrong with low patriotism in odesa, and there is nothing wrong with the fact that people in donbas love their cities, uh, well, it's great if they, if it seems to me in many cases, in most cases, it's not against national clothes, regional patriotism is a part of the state, but it happens that regional patriotism is the antithesis of the state tax, we have always been afraid of this, i think that it was such an internal island, especially after the events of the 14th well, i think you understand the events of the 14th year. again, there was a certain distortion in the interpretation of all this because when some of our ukrainian political figures or our journalist colleagues shifted the blame for all these events to the population of donetsk and luhansk regions well, it didn't seem quite correct to me. so, you understand, well, it's very easy to say that

it is they who are to blame for the fact that girkin berechensk no, well, the state was not able to protect the population of different views. yes, and those who were for things, that is, again, understanding that donetsk and luhansk are specific regions, there have always been specific moods, but again, in my understanding, in my vision, these have always been ukrainian regions, and they will remember the many thousands of rallies in support of ukraine on the streets of donetsk luhansk . remember their anti-maidan, which was many times smaller, well, again there is less anti-maid, which by the way, there was less in kharkiv, yes, obviously , yes, this is always another example of the political passivity of the population, ready to support mentally certain ideas. i think that in russia, if to want to voluntarily gather supporters of vladimir putin , not many of them will go out on the street either

. this is what is called . since how can we get rid of it, that is, do people automatically support the winner? will you or they become supporters of other values ​​after all, this is a question that i ask myself, and during the perestroika, you understand that in kharkiv the situation was in such a way that kharkiv well, i obviously saw the same thing in the fourth year of 2014, quite passive and it caught the eye and it caused some such and um complaints and criticism because we really had our maidan, which was attended by a rather small number of people, then an anti-mada appeared on the maidan, which turned out to be significantly less people . that is, this is in relation to the total number of residents of kharko . this is even. i don't know how representative it was, but remember on february 23 , 2014, when there was an attempt to hold a congress here deputies of various councils and when yanukovych fled from here, then when there was a real threat, the threat of losing the city, the threat of losing

complexity, tens of thousands of kharkiv residents took to the streets, just tens, where were these people for three months? why didn't they come out to support the maidan, that's a different question, but when it really happened the threat came out in the same way, and after february 24, when you know, the threat of losing their city and their country became real. well, it's just that thousands of kharkiv residents immediately went to sign up as volunteers, immediately went to the military commissariat took up weapons and went into the water well, in any case, it seems to me that even people who imagined russia as such an enemy, how evil, they did not imagine what it was ready to do, shoot residential neighborhoods , simply shoot the neighborhood of the russian service of radio freedom and well, i believe that it will be as it always happens with the mayor of even a military city - a program about specific things, and he realized, i think, what kind of audience he communicates with, and this program came out as a cry of the soul

that is, it was clear that such a thing happened to a person, he did not, er, i would say such a thing, not that an epiphany is such a moral shock, i would say the main thing, i will tell you again, er, without expressing er, er, in a political and purely human way during this year, igor and i have seen how many times. well, he didn't talk about the communal economy, he talked about some things, that is, about valuable things, about his experiences about things and related to antiquity, and so on. this is actually, well, it is very significant that our regional politicians put i ask myself these questions again. i understand what eh in the question of power and the question of the attitude towards the kharkiv government is an acute question, many people speak differently to you in kharkiv, there are supporters, there are opponents, but we didn’t even talk about the government, we conducted a question for me , you know, it was very revealing, that’s it. well, when we spoke with him several times but he was talking about these things. and tell me. well, after all, if we talk about the civilizational space, we say that kharkiv is a ukrainian city, it is true, but

in any case, this civilizational space and media space is, after all, in the east, in in these areas, he is one way or another because he is always connected with moscow more than in kyiv. is he in poltava simply for this reason that all this is closer, which i am not talking about relatives. i am talking about television, about a certain perception of information content about the language of the people from youtube is closer, the understanding of the problems is closer, e.e. the arrivals of people from belgorod who come there to the shopping centers are closer, that is, this closeness still existed, you can say that we said goodbye to her today, and listen, again, i understand all of my sub objectivity into the subjectivity of one's view because from the beginning, when i came here as a schoolboy, i communicated with ukrainian circles , that is, political circles, scientific, literary

and cultural circles of kharkiv, and therefore i have a slightly different vision of kharkiv, but even if i try to speak more objectively, you know people yes, even about people in particular, you have known for a long time, again. well, what determines the mood of the city? well, you understand that someone was engaged in smuggling or trade with the white race, this does not indicate the er, let's say obligatory russofiev sympathies, if from that side was romania, but they would go to romania to engage in smuggling. that is, well, all this is specific to any border region , of course, but when would people go to romania ? they, relatively speaking, the civilized world of romania was not aggressive towards people . i just want to say, let's say, pro-russian sentiments or the pro-russian sympathies of this or that city? well, rather, you know at the same level as the policy declarations of the leaders and those of the so-called political elites, yes, this is such a funny definition , but we have it on the moral board of shevelevs in particular but you know that you are now like this, i look retrospectively and again with no attempt to defend

, say, certain political forces or certain political personalities against whom i have always opposed, and still, despite their specificity, despite their certain distancing from kyiv, still well these were not separatists, not even parties, it was all their own certain vision, their own vision of trying to defend their economic or political interests, and a struggle, a cynical struggle , a maximally cynical struggle for one's electoral field, but let's say what was there there was some attempt to open the gates of the city for the russians. but i didn’t see it, well, kharkiv could never be accepted, for example, sevastopol . well, there was no such thing as this russian city , well, even the most odious of our leaders did not allow such a thing. and what a city in in ukraine, except indeed sevastopol, which you are always in a special situation there, even the mayor has never been elected and is not elected. by the way , what city can be considered a russian city in ukraine

? they considered it just their colony even during the time of independence. remember what a complete cultural expansion this is and that it was difficult for them to get there politically. well, after all , odessans did not think so, they considered it one difficulty, they considered it again even if they did not consider themselves a part of the russian political space, that the state is simply all cultural and linguistic, agree with all these jokes and all these endless tours of russian artists, well, some active russians really did it, i say this with i have great sympathy for odessa. i love this place very much, and i am not saying that there are anti-ukrainian sentiments there, but that they tried to interpret odessa as a certain symbol of russia's presence in the south . it seems to me that this is obvious. i don't know . marseille is french, but if you come there, you see completely different people, a completely different france. well, this is the specification of the specifications of any, yes, any port city, but

wait, well, for me. introduce install your own model there, this is a cultural model that there is no ukraine, there cannot be any ukraine in odesa odesa is a city of russian culture even in russian liberals, but i don't want to name the last name, but until the last, even during the so after the 14th year, until the last, he said that no wait, of course we support the ukrainian state of course we are for ukrainian statehood, but don't listen to us odessa don't touch odessa is not your odessa is a russian city and a city of russian culture zhabotinsky 120 years ago said that odesa is a city surrounded by ukrainians and that ukrainians will come somewhere with signs in their own language and culture that the ideologues of the russian world had already read khotynska, but that means it was visible even then they started it was and listen to the russian empire later for me odesa again said it was already

a ukrainian city and despite what you know there , i remember the 90s when finnish circles did not feel like a certain ghetto in the same way in kharkiv. our cities are interpreted it seems to me that kharkiv was much less interpreted as a russian place, much less here. it had its own specifics, this concept of the first capital was its own, is this the ukrainian ssr? well, it’s a silence for a silence, but it’s not enough. okay, we have capitals, but we the first capital was such a certain fate in the pocket, well, i was just talking about something else, i was talking about the fact that russia could really carry out cultural expansion in odessa, of course an actor could come there, a writer, and most importantly, that he could come a russian writer of odesa origin is definitely a fish, although again you will never say that the culture of mykhailo zhvanetska is russian culture like the culture of a native of bryansk or something. it is difficult to call everything russian culture . soviet culture. let's be honest. in

any case, i probably meant something else, so that it's just here closer to closer to another world, and that is, it's also like that to a certain extent. if you want artificiality, the border could be bolsheviks move in one direction the city of bilhorod was now the regional center of the belgorod region of ukraine or a part of the kharkiv region, but it could be moved in the other direction well, come on , kharkiv could be part of the region. well, this is obviously not because i am trying now, we all are trying, but to see what is not there, to see some changes and some positives, where is he? well, listen, i have lived in the east all my life. for me, the east has always been ukrainian, despite the fact that here there was definitely there is always a certain presence of the political and cultural e-e of russia anyway, i decided

that in the ukrainian environment , for us, the russians were strangers, they were not enemies, enemies, of course, because we are his enemies. otherwise, we were ukrainians, they were russians, when you talked about these elites, how they were never separatists, i thought that it was obvious that no one was a separatist, i am not sure that i asked the question incorrectly because there were no separatists in odesa, so were there people who were ready to simply work in moscow, and i think that this is not even a conviction . this is an agency, it is absolutely in kyiv . well, i don’t think so. it is obvious that they are everywhere from uzhgorod to donetsk and they are not shared anywhere, that is , i can just now, it is hiding somewhere, it is from real information about them, but the mentality of the ukrainian ssr is not a separatist meteorite, it is the mentality of a person who believes that ukraine can exist, speaking levin's words, only in the union, well, in general, medicine is a non-metality of supertes, it is the mentality of

a provincial or the mentality of a resident of such dominion, then i would. you know why i said provincial, this is precisely what fits the concept very well with shevalov, who described and created this chronology of the fifth kharkiv , and introduced the fifth kharkiv, his understanding is that this is the kharkiv of the future, kharkiv, which actually got rid of its soviet russian provincial of the past, when he ceases to consider himself a part of this great e-e system , where there is a metropolis in moscow, st. petersburg. and there are these provincial towns that somehow belong to this great russia instead . well, you understand that the ukrainian political the space is arranged in a completely different way and the state space in principle is the concept of the concept of a province. well, it sounds funny , odesa is a province. well, how can it be in the context of ukraine of the russian empire. it is difficult to call it america, even donetsk, it is not a province, and even the smallest regional cities are, again, completely different . the province is a russian concept. moscow

is everything else. that's right, but in germany, in munich . is it a tailcoat? provincial cities are sold in europe. in western europe, the concept of the concept of a province. sometimes it is not used because it is a term from the 20th century, if not from the 19th , even in principle, the term is so large that it gives the imperial center and there is a province, if we say it is some kind of federation , yes, the stencil is definitely yes yes and then we are in today's world well, the center of the world is where you want to build the whole center of the world, you can live in a village, have a computer and create a revolution in it, but this idea of ​​provincialism was instilled here artificially, yes, yes, and the concept of the first capital and the concept of this connection with moscow, for sure it is all the same soviet the concept is like this. after the 90s , they tried to extend it until today . well, i think that, by the way, the first capital was also perceived differently. i think that the people who