[000:00:00;00] shot them, because there will be very serious consequences for them, because the president goes one at a time so that there are no problems, but this was done exactly when he was already about to leave. so no not earlier a-a and i think that his visit er-er was important there is no cauldron of americans not only for er-er to show er-er ukraine that we will help only as much as needed but it is important to show putin a-er how strong a- and how important is our attitude a-a m-m na s e-e that ukraine will win that ukraine is free

a-a and er-e we will be and er-e and in the future i don't know who is the next one who is going but a-a er-e this is just a er-e not an ordinary moment when he was in kiev and i er- i'm sorry that i couldn't go, too, and if i had been there during this visit, it would have been just, uh, great sanctions potential for the future , as far as possible, it says that the sanctions that were introduced by the united states and the commonwealth of independent states and that continue to be slowly introduced with the package according to the package, but they did not exhaust themselves from the point of view of economic pressure on russia's economy is falling, we see that it is the result of sanctions and because of sanctions and we see these large-scale stations that were run yesterday

, to be honest, i have not seen such a list before, and there are also banks and governorates and those who help the military industrial complex and those who help buy er technology a-a so that's just a very wide range of sanctions and hmm i think they 're very effective a-a they have their own effect especially when we do this together with our and the partners of a-a sanctions were not issued only and what about the european union and about the other partners , uh, that 's exactly what i mean . of the sanctions of the united states against russia, what are we talking about, what restrictive measures apply to her, the ban on

entry to the united states, and the rest of some bills or what, well, uh, really, uh, um, it's impossible , uh, to travel, well, she goes to the states, well, yes when there will be boys a-a no one can e-e have financial affairs with them and their finances are frozen a-a so that it is more difficult for them a-a has access to e-e resources that they have abroad a-a and e-e this is important because we see that e-e here when we see that directly only can continue its aggression against ukraine if there are means well how did you just talk

about the gandhis and we need to fight very hard with propaganda and this is what is being done in russia, that's because the russians don't know the situation of the real situation in ukraine, because they simply don't hear the state television in russia doesn't show the real situation. er propagandists are just er nonsense lies and it's hard to believe that er people can continue to work and er call themselves journalists a-a we from our side of the department are doing everything possible to

covers the real situation in russian so that people outside russia can know about the real situation. thank you very much. andreia kalan. andreia kalan , officially the representative of the state department of the united states, was on the air. thank you for this conversation. we continue our international topic with the director of the center for middle eastern studies, ihor zaimlu volos. congratulations, mr. ihor, congratulations, i want to start with news that is quite strange for me . the meeting of the ministers of finance of the twenty countries ended. this meeting ended without any of the final committee, but what is interesting is that india presided over this meeting because it was in india, the meeting was held at the opening ceremony of the prime minister of india at rennes-romoda. and by the way, he did not say a single word about russia, he spoke only about pro-russian aggression tensions, but as a result, we received a document in which the indian presidency says that only russia and china were against signing the final resolution because it condemned russia's aggression

against ukraine and all other members of the twenty a it's not just the combined tripod great britain, france, germany, canada, japan, but it's already with- and india, it's already south africa, the coast of which is now undergoing chinese and russian training, it's also indonesia, it's also brazil, whose president says that the ukrainians are to blame for the war. i want to understand this, they said that russia is responsible for the aggression of all these countries, what happened in general, it's hard to say what happened, i think that maybe they were influenced by the resolution that was voted on in the general assembly, that is, 141 countries - this is serious

influence is a serious pressure on politicians, so it is clear that in these conditions they need to explain their actions in some way, and it is obvious that these countries that did not speak or, let's say , did not support russia and china, and from those that represent there brics and sco well, you, maybe they have considerations on this account , or you do not change your position in any way, or they are ready to listen more to the world community and act in accordance with the resolution that was adopted. well, here considerations can to be different eh the same india we saw them and all these countries that you mentioned. they abstained from voting. yes, that is, they fall into such

a gray field, but obviously there is pressure , yes, that is, even the feeling that you are falling into some gray field. well, at least in their dreams they see themselves as the centers of the earth, or let's say , the concentration of some forces. there are still questions about this topic. there are questions about the next one. come on, i think that we are talking about this topic. they are right. i think that we are talking about what you want how correct. we will definitely return to this topic . let's then move on to china. let's move on to something about china's peace plan. ihor, and yet there are opinions that this is more likely not a plan, but simply china's determination and position , because the plan should include points and specifics regarding

their implementation, and these are just some general features that the chinese consider to be the reason for the threat of russia and the full-scale invasion of russia into the territory of ukraine . how would you determine whether this is a plan at all? well, if we talk about it with yes, of course, this is a set of certain principles, and these principles are rather directed, and the dialogue is , in other words, a proposal for a dialogue, and the dialogue is not with ukraine, but the dialogue with the united states of america, because most of those moments are more are actually connected with the combination of america's system and can this be considered as such an attempt by china to come out and become such a frontman in world politics, in principle, to try to destabilize the situation independently without looking back at russia, or

is this still a continuation of some such bad things and the dialogues of such complicated communications with the united states of america. is this an attempt to hide the facts, so to speak ? well, what is emerging now is the more information that the chinese are apparently going to supply weapons, and it can be said that such an attempt to hide it behind such rhetoric, well, it's hard to say. i think that it's obvious, it's obvious that we have to assume that the chinese at least don't sit quietly and offer something, and it makes sense to take advantage of it, given the fact that they clearly demonstrate their achilles' heel achilles' heel is world trade, and this is a clear, clear understanding that the united states of america can

at any moment block this world trade for china, that is, with uh, hmm, and this is the understanding that china is largely dependent on of europe and the united states of america. and let's remember that one way, one e-e belt , one way, it was already being rebuilt exactly for what exactly, for trade with europe in the first place, yes , and all this can be destroyed, the efforts of the chinese government for a long time will simply be destroyed in conditions when china is in still in a rather difficult economic situation after the pandemic, and it still hasn't gained any economic standing , moreover, there is more and more stagnation and the economic situation is not very good, well, all this does not give any reason to believe that the chinese

now well, they are ready to sever relations there, categorically sever relations, and in the west categorically switch to the side of russia and use this plan as an excuse to actually do it. and tell me, you don’t understand why president zelensky a meeting with the head of the people's republic of china in this country for the first time or not why is it a trip to the extent that it is even possible to the extent that the head of the people's republic of china who seems to be preparing for a trip to moscow and to you and about whom you mentioned in what the politburo and you mentioned our american once again to you this a member of the bureau of the central committee of the party of china was in moscow, and none of the chinese representatives were in kyiv all this time, how is this possible at all, i will tell you more even when ukrainians, at least ukrainians they tried to establish communication with the men, yes, that is, give it indirectly, we see that there was no positive reaction, and

therefore the chances that such a meeting could take place in the near future are few, but the very fact of the fact that, well, if the chinese would sit quietly and they were busy with their own business, and they were crushing their problems with the americans. it’s one thing, but they used ukraine specifically for chinese-american confrontations, and i think that this is a chance for us, in principle, to say , guys, and we are here in general, and we would like to then to talk with you about the circumstances of this plan and it is desirable to meet in person with the first persons, if it is the first person - it will be assumed if it will be so and the elements of this plan will be made public, although i think that after that well, after that, how did they make public it is unlikely that the sitting party will come forward with this plan

. and this plan, by the way, reminds me very much of the type of proposals that the russian federation sent on the eve of the invasion of ukraine . -e pri- pri- in them there circumstances, because there is still a west. and russia behaved much, let's say, more brazenly, that is, in the fact that it is er , the leaders of er behaved with or spoke much more brazenly, much more aggressively, the chinese in this case in this regard there is no such aggression, such impudence, but in general, the tonalities are not, not the tonalities, but hmm, let's say the main messages are, yes, they are similar appeals from the west, from the united states of america. biden for this visit is symbolic and not only about symbolism, but we will be talking with

your competitors and enemies here, well , the chinese seem to be, according to the latest intelligence data, they are not expensive because they are not adversaries competitors yes, but not enemies, and as for why such a situation is possible in general, and let's assume that this zanpil expresses a desire to talk with zelensky well, i don't think that the americans will be against it, on the contrary, they will be interested because um, from the point of view of it's cool for us because we're here we are climbing the stairs, that is, our subjectivity is only growing as well, so there is nothing to be afraid of, well, such dialogues . yes, but well, i simply do not believe, as of now, that such a dialogue is possible in the near future. and tell me here, the president is speaking differently

from these zimpinas with president zelenskyi with president putin. in general , these efforts have some real purpose. president ertogan is a person who is primarily interested in turkish business and the russian market . at the same time, president ertogan is still a leader countries that belong to the north atlantic alliance and turkey's relations with europe are simply incredibly important for turkey and become the backbone of the turkish economy in general . that's why it is located on this stretch . at the same time, of course, the ukrainian market is ukrainian and i his own commitments , which he obviously gave, including to the ukrainian leader, they force him

to be in such a tense state that he is in now, in which he is now. but it is clear that if we are talking about some great results well, there is little to be expected here, although let's say a grain agreement and prisoners, this is already a good result and we can be grateful for that. by the way, do you believe in the talks in geneva that the swiss are talking about, what can they even be there ? well, i don't know i am saying this, the minister of foreign affairs of switzerland, the ball is the cashier's, this is not some kind of news from journalists. well, you know this , uh, this is a story that, in principle , remains for now. will increase cooperation with russia in the military e-e industry directly supplying weapons to us this is of course threatening, but how can iran be stopped

, is there such a tool, there are two e-e methods to stop iran, the first method is to support the revolutionary rebels and e-e accordingly increase sanctions pressure on iran with the aim of worsening the economic situation in the country and, accordingly, the formation of a broad anti-a-a mmm, let's say an anti-government coalition, this is one excuse - the second case - this is, of course, to destroy this government a military operation. well, i think that this military operation is almost impossible, although it is clear that nothing in this world can be rejected, including even such a variant of the development of events, especially since we see that the situation in the middle east is becoming more complicated

, the iranians, the israelis, are preparing for a confrontation quite actively. and the united states of america make obvious statements and or demonstrate an obvious readiness to help in this situation. well , the very wording of blinkin says that any options are on the table, including military an option to stop iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. if he testifies to this in other options, how can we agree, that is, i am talking about the possibility of concluding a new nuclear agreement, which would take into account the interests of all countries and which would ensure peace in the near future in the east and, accordingly, iran refused to support russia. well, so far i see it as even less likely than, say , support for rebels in iran and the possibility

of a military operation. and what is china interested in when it comes to iran? on the contrary, i did not meet with the leadership of china, why are there two points, the first point is china, of course, it is very interesting here because the chinese were generally self-sufficient, they never created any alliances around themselves , yes, that is, they sat quietly and went about their business, and here for the first time and small, big problems, let's say with the environment , yes, that is, practically all the countries around china were not friendly in one way or another, and here , for the first time, china decided to form an alliance, and iran looks like one of those countries to which china is watching and maybe it just wants to. well, iran is showing its readiness to form such an alliance. how powerful will it be? how obvious will it be? it is not yet

clear and the second point is also important. it is saudi arabia. well , the persian gulf countries in general. the problem is that the chinese these countries are ready to invest huge resources with muhammad he salman, the negotiations and the visit are long, we know how important this is for china, and iran is speaking here very well, let's say nervously speaking about strengthening contacts between china and saudi arabia arabia, therefore, these are the negotiations, they also aimed, if not to resolve these contradictions, at least to clarify a little the details of the activity of the chinese, ukraine, the persian gulf. thank you, thank you for your attention.

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germany are forcing zelensky to sit down again at the negotiating table with the russian president, dictator putin, we will talk about how the world's attitude towards ukraine has changed during the year of full-scale russian aggression. well, also about why western sanctions have not significantly weakened russia , we will have many other interesting topics, but we will start with the announced one and shultz called on zelensky to return to negotiations with the russian federation, the vostreet journal writes, in particular, according to people familiar with the negotiations, during a meeting in paris in early february, macron said to zelenskiy that even mortal enemies such as france and germany had to conclude after the second world war and macrondov that zelenskiy will eventually have to switch gears and make difficult decisions, mr. vitaly, or is it appropriate to compare here with the second world war because, after all, we have not yet stopped hostilities the russian federation does not agree to withdraw troops and so on

. well, first of all, we do not know what zelensky's macaroni actually said, because it is only information, this information that appears in the media officially, not even the president france not even the federal chancellor of germany said anything like that, on the other hand, i want to remind you of a simple fact that the president of the united states and the president of france and the federal chancellor of germany and the prime minister of great britain and the current one and the one who started to be from ukraine at the time of the war, bozhi johnson kept saying that they were supplying weapons to ukraine so that ukraine could liberate as many of its territories as possible and it had a strong position in the negotiations with the russian federation. contrary to these statements, in the west they keep saying that sooner or later the war must end with negotiations, and that ukraine

must have a strong position in these negotiations, well, now it is not strong enough, it is obviously not strong enough now, but i want to tell you about the other one. schol, this is biden, i don't believe that this war will end with negotiations. i think that when we say that macron and scholz are pushing zelensky to negotiate, they should always ask themselves if this is really the case, because we saw that there is another message that is more sumy told zelensky that we will give you more weapons and there will be special relations with nato. but you have to start negotiations with russia , so whether putin will agree to this, we can at least say okay tomorrow, well, we can't. we have a decree of the president of russia and ukraine. no negotiations can be carried out with russia. and that there will be any negotiations, this will indicate to cancel. well, if he changes his position, for example, zelensky's subject. but i believe that russia will not

accept any real negotiations. well, that is, how real are we? what did maria zakharova say yesterday, on what issues can they negotiate? this is recognition of territorial realities, that is, ukraine should recognize crimea, donetsk , luhansk, kherson, zaporizhia oblast as part of russia and withdraw its troops from those territories of zaporizhzhia and kherson oblast, luhansk oblast and donetsk oblast , in which ukrainian troops are located. it is also necessary to understand that if we leave, we leave. not recognizing territorial realities means that we are leaving kherson, leaving the regional center for the second time, demilitarization third, neutral status, neutral status from the point of view of the russian federation is not simply not joining nato, i want to remind you that this is the termination of special partnership relations and disarmament by the united states, that is , the creation of a country that, from

the kremlin's point of view, will not pose a threat to russia itself and to the russian-speaking population which decided to live in russia, where militarization is taking place, nozification, what is denazification, we still do not know, i believe that this is the destruction of all those who believe that ukraine should be sovereign an independent european state according to the lists that will be provided to the president by the zelensk kremlin, and i will not be surprised that there will be his own relatives, now on this list and associates, and by the way, nazification is more of an approval than simply that the russian language should be the second state language of ukraine, there will be many of all loboda here are these conditions russia can start negotiations well, of course , who in ukraine would not agree with this but i think that even if these conditions are imagined that ukraine starts such negotiations, they

will end in failure we have a great example the minsk agreements were the first point of the minsk agreements, and it was approved by president putin in the presence of federal chancellor merkel. the president was fine with the withdrawal of russian troops and occupation troops from the occupied territories. it was written there. well, what did russian troops leave in 8 years? no, they found out now, you and i. they said last week that they were not going to fulfill the minsk agreements, that they thought minsk would fulfill them for them, the agreements were a trap for ukraine to make certain decisions that led to destabilization the situation in our country and they were very offended when we did not make such decisions. so, you all remember this decision that was accepted by yarmak and the cossacks, created by this council , some of you representatives of ukraine spoke on equal terms with the representatives of the so-called people's republics, what did they want,

the stein formula, the stein formula majors, yes , yes, and a lot of things, you can mention the clashes before the supreme power that during the time of president poroshenko , when they adopted this law on the special status such negotiations. i keep saying whether there could be a situation in which the ukrainian armed forces would go to the state borders in 1991. in 1991, there might be quotes . will the russians think that this is the real state border of ukraine? no, they will think that it is a demarcation line . the line between the two armies , that is, wherever we go, it will be the democratic line between the two armies today, by the way . just today, the russian ambassador to the people's republic of china said that if the ukrainian