[000:00:00;00] and a lot of things can be mentioned, the clashes before the supreme power that during poroshenko's presidency, when they passed this law on the specifics of the status of what it was for them , they needed it, but in any case, i do not believe even in such negotiations. i always say whether it can be a situation in which the ukrainian armed forces will cross the state borders in 1991. there may be situations in 1991. will the russians consider that these are the original state borders of ukraine? no, they will consider that this is the demarcation line between the two armies, that is wherever we go, it will be a democratic line between the two armies today, by the way. just today, the russian ambassador to the people's republic of china said that if ukrainian

troops advance on the constitution through the constitutional territory of the russian federation with the help of american weapons, this will be perceived by russia with appropriate decisions according to that, how should we act, that is, there will be an answer , and they consider our territories that they occupied to be constitutional, do you notice that this is a new term, constitutional territory of the russian federation, these are not the internationally recognized borders of the russian federation, that is, there are internationally recognized borders. and there is a constitutional territory, these are different territories, and if the russian federation considers it possible to use , say, some special means of defense or nuclear weapons in the event that the enemy is on its constitutionally recognized territories, and it can the cost of the recognized territory be voted harshly and that's all well, that is

, nothing has happened so far. well, i also want to say about this, they have already beaten the crimea, although officially interestingly, they are located on the constitutionally recognized territory of the russian federation in the city of kherson, they are zaporizhzhia. by the way, putin for some reason in his speech, as well as returning home, of course, because the zaporizhia region became a subject of the russian federation with the center of melitopol. ukrainian troops well, but they don't do anything . that is, this is also a very conditional question. they say that if crimea is there, it will anger putin. you are not a constitutionally recognized territory of various kinds. this is the first kind. you know how the fillet is the second grade, this is the third, that is, relatively speaking, zaporizhzhia, kherson is n - it is, relatively speaking, the fourth grade , donbas, the third, crimea, the second, and everything else is the first, everyone is accepted, which will anger putin. he has been angry for a long time, and we can see it according to the winter days. so i

i think that we should not pay attention to this, we should prepare for the end of the war without any real negotiations and decisions, that is, the war will end. and i know that victory day and it will not be there. we will simply know that our troops are standing next to them here the russian troops are standing, the missiles are not flying, but if russia gathers them, then in 5 days after our territory is completely cleared of the enemy, there will be some kind of missile attack of incredible force on someone there in kiev, let's say, and there will be no electricity again, this may be to be if it will be rockets and it can be for as many years as long as you like, as long as putin is alive, how long is a real moment , if we go to our internationally recognized borders and we are accepted , then this is a dilemma, we do not know what will happen next

let's say we were accepted into nato, and let's say russian aviation is shelling sevastopol, the ukrainian base in sevastopol because it is ukrainian, nato is responsible in this situation , does nato also think that if russia acts and its constitutional territories although this territory is an internationally recognized territory of ukraine, then there is no need to risk a nuclear conflict and it is enough to limit ourselves to the note of ukraine, but nato does not recognize crimea as part of russia . that is, well, this is the question. we are deeply concerned. we believe that an attack on sevastopol or donetsk is a blatant violation of sovereignty. ukraine, however, we demand from russia, first of all, to change its constitution with crimea and donetsk and luhansk kherson zaporizhia regions removed from it. and in the kremlin they say why should we change? leaving the territory

of the russian federation. you risking a nuclear conflict can be so surrealistic and surrealistic. no, they will not go over with troops, but they can to make some provocations, some shelling, this can also happen, that is, we need to prepare for the fact that the word peace will not be used in this territory for several generations , that's what everyone is thinking now. i'm sure that i'm saying some terrible things, but i'm just saying a thing, uh, life in the state of israel does the state of israel have internationally recognized borders, where do they not have them, no one knows exactly in which jurisdictions the state is currently located, who is saying it should return to the borders there on the 48th, who on the 67th, and the days to come to an agreement with the palestinian authority on demarcation territories, and the palestinian authority says that we do not recognize israel’s right to exist at all, so why should we negotiate with it and it can go on like this? well, it has been going on for 80 years, it can be like this between us and russia

, it can be like that, it can be 8-10 years 81 i don't think so. because putin won't live that long. the question is how much this position will change after putin, that is, after putin, it may be different , the war may end, but the option of a constitutionally recognized territory may remain unshakable. that is, it may be a political issue of some sort that will be to run for office in the elections, i will say that if i become president, i will believe that russia should give ukraine all its real territories, because all this is only for a certificate and to receive 10% of the votes of the voters, and something for me . that the russians do not really want to give crimea and these territories, because they are the same empires, imperialists like putin believe that the real winner of the presidential and parliamentary elections in the russian federation can only be a person who will tell the voters that we will do everything possible to return our

constitutional territory, that's putin a corrupt person and scoundrel who failed to protect the constitutional territories of the russian federation. well, he died and to hell with him and i. i am against the war. the russians should not answer, but i will through negotiations, through economic pressure. you and i must do everything possible to bring ukraine to its knees. we will talk with our western partners so that the aggressor, the aggressor, will leave crimea and stop fishing for our brothers who live there, and this is also possible, but at this moment there may not be a war, it may be for the next president of the russian federation, who will be the heir to this and this is how it can happen, i don't see any big uh-uh, i said contraindications to such a life of ukrainians during the next meetings, and that's why i say we need to go to nato, so when they say it there, we will, oh,

speak and you understand, these will be their internal conversations and we will comment , you know, so-and-so won in every election of the president of argentina, there is always talk about the fact that the argentine generals, that then the dictators lost to great britain the war for the falkland islands, which are actually the malvinas, and everyone who is running for the post of president of argentina says i will solve this problem, it is not solved simply by a car in the fazelensky islands, 100% of the population wants to live as part of great britain. this was important for the dance when there was a crazy military junta in argentina that wanted to fight now argentina's governments then don't want to fight but want to solve this problem diplomatically , that's what we need to sit

in contrast to the russians, everyone told us that you understand crimea is the original russian land and we pointed out - now the translator will translate for us crimea is an eternal russian land oh, you understand we do not agree with this position , we have a different position so let's review these positions where i we can find an understanding. this is how it should happen if we are not members , of course. no one will talk to you like that, mr. vitaly. conversations are active street and what can be such security guarantees, which countries should act as such guarantors, there are no security guarantees other than nato, there is a very simple reason nato is not just defense, it is a serious union that includes three countries that have nuclear weapons, one of them has a nuclear warhead two countries in the world have a nuclear arsenal of this level , these are the united states and the russian federation, therefore nato is a very defensive alliance, it is a nuclear umbrella. by the way, for the people's

republic of china, relations with russia are also an issue nuclear umbrellas because china has a nuclear arsenal, but it is inferior to the american one in all parameters, and the russian one is not inferior. thus, by and large, the situation looks like this if we are next to a nuclear state and do not have similar security guarantees, that is, we are not members of the club of states which has nuclear weapons, then this state can blackmail other states with a nuclear conflict at any time. thus, all these fictions about what could be something else , we can of course subscribe to this self-suggestion any document to indicate that this is a security guarantee and then it will be like with the budapest lease, we will say oh my god, what are you not fulfilling, we are not fulfilling because we did not promise to fulfill the promised security guarantors and who knew that russia is so fast

they violate the horror that we condemn, we introduce new sanctions oh, you have broken five more cities the horror that we depict, new sanctions well, this is what we are seeing now, it will happen again and on a larger scale so i am convinced that we need to fight for real over can be intermediate mechanism, we end the war, we submit an application to nato , the summit accepts this application, the transition period begins. and at this moment , the united states and great britain sign a security guarantee agreement with us, this is probable , this is how it was done from finland, sweden. i am not saying that this is probable. i say that it is legally correct, because russia definitely understands that it cannot attack finland now, why attack finland now, finland is not a member of nato, but to attack finland is the same as

attacking all countries that are not members of nato they will protect finland, they have no obligations to it, but the united states does. great britain is enough, and right here too. if we manage to implement such a mechanism, we will be able to become nato members at least in 10 years if we live under the umbrella of these guarantees, but that is also not you need to relax because, you know, the president is changing in america too, and it would be better if these guarantees didn't work for long, and then it was up to me, and now the prospects are not very good, at least in terms of the situation, here's the question. we don't even understand now i wouldn't start thinking about it now, i would start thinking about a situation that will be related to distant prospects, she has already lived here all the time , the president of the united states is elected for four years. inclined but that's all we can't depend on it forever that's why i repeat exclusively eh we have

to earn everything possible so that the year already a full-scale war and of course on the eve of february 24 and now a little after people have certain such moods of disappointment and devastation because of course, everyone wanted to leave with some enthusiasm, so that it is possible. after all, the war will end, we see that it will not end, and your forecasts , including working in action, we see in reality how to continue to find strength and understand that this is a long game well, it is not necessary to talk to me, it is necessary now to be a psychologist . no, not only emotionally, you know the land against the people, economically , we are not capable of this now, socially , this assistance is sufficient

to maintain a certain social stability of the country, which maintains stability the exchange rate of the national currency exists. it also exists. this exchange rate. imagine that it was not supported now. imagine what the hryvnia exchange rate was like and how it would change every day . we had huge inflation, we would have currency exchange rates changing every day, people would receive salaries in bags of hryvnias , there is no such thing, and there is a certain stability , then i am absolutely sure that the state should have accounted for the decision to support the economy in in those regions where it can be safe, and i just think that here it is necessary not to look for opportunities to knock out taxes and so on, on the contrary, to create taxes, vacations, to give people the opportunity to save themselves because the state saves other states and people must take

the initiative. then after the war, of course, you can return to absolutely logical civilized norms of tax taxation , but in any case, now it is necessary to do everything possible so that people want to take the initiative , so that they want to do business in risky conditions so that they want to take some loans and take risks because, in principle , a person has no incentive to do it now because well, this is all a very important thing . by the way, now many ukrainian refugees are abroad in the european union , including a -a p vitaly, how long are such countries possible, based on some previous experience of other countries, they can help us now, they provide free social housing there, some monetary support , they allow us to work, they provide medical insurance free of charge, but can it last there for five years, i can, it can last indefinitely, it just can decrease in volume

, and besides, all countries, especially european countries, they don't like uh, let's say , socialists, so they will do everything possible to integrate people such a life. yes, they will, they will put effort into it. language courses, assistance courses in e-e, obtaining new specialties . people who are abroad also need to realize that they can expect to return to their country. but along with this, understand that if they chose the path before waiting for the war abroad, it could be a long period and before this long period, you also need to be ready because no one will tell them except for the politicians who of course everything always happens in a few months when the war will actually end not when it will be safe in ukraine, if it means safe, safe and now you can work in many uh places, octav

regions from the point of view of safety, but from the point of view of economic expediency, it is the same again . you are back, and what will you do here? how you will feed yourself your return yes level well, this also needs to be realized so i have to say that i am not a supporter of this point of view that we should just sit and think that in a few months it will be the end we it can be there are always non-objective circumstances putin went under, something happened to him, something finally fell on him and here is the transition period, there is no putin, the war has ended, the resources have run out , china was not going to give anything, or was going to and did not give. everything can happen, but then again each person has to decide for himself what the end of the war is for him, and he repeats, there may not be such a moment when the president of ukraine

will appear and say, dear compatriots , the war is over, the enemy surrendered on the kremlin towers, now the flag of ukraine or we have signed a peace agreement, here we are with president putin met and signed an agreement on russia's eternal non-aggression against ukraine, so we exchanged pens, here's the pen, if he just doesn't meet, he won't sign if you give him a pen , she'll be a complete novice cleaned up so much that president zelensky didn't even have time to speak and announce what he had signed. so this also needs to be understood . there may not be a point where everything will focus. there may not be a point that will be set. it may simply not be. for you, the war is over and i repeat, you can decide that

this is an exit to some borders, a halt to some military operations, the signing of some temporary armistice agreement. again, you will think that this is over and this armistice , to what extent or not it will be violated, who is it generally signed well, that is, either the localization of the conflict finally the localization of the conflict within the donbas, it continues for months, years, this is the end of the war. well, we are 14 years old, yes, that is, you have it yourself, and will this end of the war not turn into a new big conflict , and when you do it for you decide for yourself. when 300,000 soldiers are gathering on the territory of belarus, well, that’s all the questions for them , in fact, no one has the answers. i know that a huge number of experts are always engaged in these guesses over coffee i'm not ready to guess. i'm just saying that now there are such objective conditions, the trend of russia

is unlikely to be able to protest for a long time . by 2000 there 29-2030 if china intervenes in this story, who will be even longer, but the consequences for the economy may become apparent much earlier , let's talk to mr. vitaly, because we bet on it, it is obvious that the economic and western sanctions of the united states of america and of the european union, the economy of russia will weaken, they will decline, they will not have the funds to manufacture weapons, and secondly , there are already restrictions on the spare parts of various elements for the manufacture of various types of weapons, but as such, we do not see the effect

as such, because i remember that at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, many economic experts said that until spring and then you will already see that russia will collapse and now, in principle, if you look at the assessments of international economic experts, they even sometimes they agree with putin's position, which he expressed in his address to the assembly of parliamentarians, so he said that they were able to resist, and this is partially true. i think i never said that russia will be attacked by sanctions. i say that the economy will decrease, that there will be funds less but i always reminded about certain things, the first is that russia continues to sell energy resources , the second is that this whole crisis will lead to an increase in the price of energy resources, if during this war

there will be a situation when russia is under sanctions earned on energy resources more than a third is the fact that there are reserves in russia , objectively speaking, the budget deficit is large, but there are reserves. what is the deficit of these reserves covered by ? all these social obligations will be fulfilled, then these resources will run out by the end of this year, but we do not know whether putin will fulfill them , because he quite often gives commitments that you do not fulfill, he does not adhere to them, but in in any case, believe me that if the reserves finally run out and the income from energy sources does not increase enough to form new reserves , the economy of russia will collapse, this is true, but

it will collapse in what sense they will simply have a much worse life, there will be no social fulfillment, people will receive in 2- 3-4 times less will be different. the quality of products will be cheaper. there will be no new apartments , no new buildings. banks will not give loans at the interest rates that they give now. there will be, but in iran this summer there are no russians in many regions. they live very poorly , of course, now the question is now the question is how much under these conditions it is most important for me to achieve stability in the city of moscow, i will say it there. i remember this

wonderful time in the summer of 1991 when in products that had always been there began to disappear in moscow, and for me a certain climax was the lack of bread when there was no bread in the bread shops on the street and it was transported by cars and, er, it was sold from the car . i had a favorite scene when i was standing in line. i lived then on a cart in the backyard, in fact the ministry of foreign affairs of the soviet union so my binoculars to look at the office er shvarnad for well i'm joking of course but that means all the leading embassies were there and there was a moment when i was standing in line at a car for bread and there in this queue stood the deputy

minister of foreign affairs of russia of the soviet union. i apologize, and next to us stood the counselor of the united states embassy, ​​and behind us stood the counselor of the canadian embassy, ​​and we, with the counselor of the canadian embassy, ​​exchanged who would stand in in line and they said that means the deputy minister of foreign affairs. excuse me, we will leave for half an hour. please, here is our channel. in line, of course. it was kind of funny, but for me it was an indicator that everything was coming to an end, because when because why were they all standing for bread? how funny it wasn't in the shops for foreigners and it wasn't in the special dispensers for officials because it was believed that bread is always available, and because of the quality of it in moscow , why deliver it to the distributors

, there are birches there so that they buy it for currency, they will not buy it for currency, because it is available for 10 kopecks, and if there is no bread, all ordinary people some kind of ordinary worker, uh, and shops , who was around here or ordinary, some kind of cooperator who draws portraits is standing next to american, russian, and soviet diplomats in the same line, this means that the state has exhausted its economic potential and it was clear to me that it will soon be covered with a copper basin, let's wait for such a moment because, again, they said oh, they won't have raw sausage from the european union and so on , but something i don't know yet, whether it is possible to wait for such a moment from this simple situation that there is a market economy and in a market economy, there is always room for initiative, even in an authoritarian regime, and then you know when i hear that they had to go crazy there because they don't have

italian or french cheeses, i also don't understand how you imagine the life of an ordinary person a russian, here are all these camemberts, roquefort, and pen and pen. and pension switzerland did not introduce food sanctions. they usually live in moscow. if you go to some yury vpalska or some big ustyuk , then there you can find ordinary low-quality russian products of very high quality uh, they are ukrainian goods, every russian knows by heart the names of high-quality small-scale plants yuriy falska dmytrov, yes, the first, the second , because the fourth one is already bad there, and this is a limited

list, but believe me, this is also a story about moscow and their tastes, because if you are in some tambov region , you definitely do not need to look for milk products from the dmitri dairy plant, this is all a whim of people who earn much more, and that is why these plants of mine are fighting for muscovites, because they can sell huge products a place with a huge purchasing power , but it’s not like that at all, well, it’s our idea of ​​russia, not mine , although i lived and traveled there for 20 years, and the average ukrainian’s idea of ​​russia is connected with tv series that they tell as a rule in life about life in moscow you know there the hero suddenly comes to a certain ivanov and there as a rule it is a criminal story there in this ivan what will happen to the mafia someone will kill him - his mistress or his lover or his house may his mother's domestic worker

and he has to go there and find out why he took her out of ivanova, it can only be like that or in er orly. that is, it is not the same there. that is, you understand very well when you watch this series that you have to live in moscow and that stability in moscow, you know, i know, this is important i have a wonderful life a story about my neighbor, here i am leaving my house in which i lived on the street, a large georgian woman in the center of moscow and next to me lives a simple woman, a simple woman in the neighboring apartment, she also goes out or works as a house cleaner, well, professionally, don't talk about problems, this is a diligent, hard-working woman, tatar woman by origin, and she tells me, god, what a terrible weather in music, it’s impossible , smog, rain, cold, my head hurts, i can’t do it, it’s normal for work, pressure . well, i say. in novgorod, you know where my sister lives, the ladybug, the river, she sits on the bank of the river, the weather is beautiful, she is beautiful. well, i know, they are a little bit in the garden

, the hour between them is better, we also know that . well, we live in moscow. well, i see him because we have stability because we have products because we have a higher salary because even working as a cleaner i earned several times more than my sister earns in nizhny novgorod and i have another opportunity to give my children an education and so on any russian power is concentrated in this place, as always, it reminds me of gulliver's island of laputa, which flew over the country and they threw stones at this country from time to time. that's it, so that's what it depends on. when will the resources run out? will there be enough resources for brains for moscow, if there is not enough there will be something wrong with the brain, then we have to look in general every time and wait, but the 10th package of actions was finally approved before the anniversary of the full-scale tuesday, what is there, i am forced to quote barack obama, who said that sanctions