[000:00:00;00] for this year within the ukrainian i apologize to the belarusian opposition. well, if it can be said that this is an existing body, yes, an existing organization, existing people, the belarusian opposition . how has it changed this year, or does it now represent a real threat ? lukashenko, unfortunately, has not changed . do you understand the project that was called a project svetlana chekhonovskaya and you and i, as intelligent people, understand the trick of a master's wife , the generosity of the hostages in the belarusian tournament. lukashenko we are even three belarusians, in principle i do not know here how to convey the news from the spouse from serhiy tykhanovsky svetlanetz tykhanovsky therefore this is a guarantee that if so well, it is unlikely that the knee would be

something you are growing and we are waiting for a sincere as if yes, and two activations, where the activation is an ideological front, if everyone had an opposition of ours, these movements are rich, as it were, of such bytsendu formal retubing, which is connected with the fact that we are united there that we are there together, but give all of you together influence within belarus then god, in belarus in the near future, after all, there will be people. where is something new, what can it do if you inspire belarusians to enter belarus? believe me , it is important because when the treason and real money begin, only arthur will be in belarus. we will express ourselves as lesbians even in belarus. and in general, the diaspora and that's what the guys who are now treating sheepish ukraine well, unfortunately, we understand that we can only be a helper together with those who he brought . thank you serhii bulba, public figure , leader of the white legion, please

contact us about the situation in belarus and with to belarus, viktor koropinska is already joining us, the editor of transperience international ukraine p victoria, we welcome you good day good day, we will ask you to be a little louder so that you can be heard well let's talk what is there now, at what stage, what is happening with the competition, i will get the latest information that 11 candidates have already been successful integrity interviews were held. please tell me who these 11 candidates are and what happens next. in general, we can already talk about the fact that the competition for the selection of the director of the nabu he goes to the final stage, that is, we have only one stage left, which must take place well, which must be conducted by the commission for the selection of the director of nabu a and it is the interviews for competence, that is, for the determination of professional qualities, leadership

qualities, knowledge of legislation, knowledge of the constitution, norms, and decisions of the supreme court with of anti-corruption topics. that is, this person should have such a deep examination of those three people, to be more precise, who will then be transferred to the cabinet of ministers for the election of one director. and so, indeed, the past in the week of a-a, there were integrity interviews, to which 21 candidates were involved, and actually 20 interviews were held. organizations that have been monitoring one way or another competitions for a long time, various anti-corruption bodies, this competition was very important for us, these interviews were very interesting for us , given the fact that they were very

deep and the commission investigated various spectrums that could be important for leaves of vision of integrity important for the future director of the nabu, that is, the newest state was investigated, potential conflicts of interest were investigated, political neutrality was investigated, and many such nuances that one way or another, at some point, we remember that the director of the nabu is not elected for one year, he is recruited for a fairly long period of time, since there are seven years or 7 years , yes, for 7 years, that is, that none of such moments during these seven years would arise in the future, so that there would not be any controversial situation which, first of all, could negatively manifest itself in nezalezhnosti with the help of journalists , and the programs of the scheme, so we communicated with the candidates and there we have already revealed the points

of conflict of interests of the potential candidate with the office of the president and the connections of some candidates with the employees of this same office is there or wasn't this the reason for the removal there at the stage even before the interviews, did those people come further as material from the project of the scheme and by the way, what communication materials that came from our organization, these are e-e texts - these are materials that e-e are aimed at showing e-e some possible crisis moments , i.e. asking essentially questions, identifying those questions that the public may have, journalists in general, in society about these candidates e and integrity interviews to a certain extent, they are aimed at seeing how the director, more precisely, the potential director, so he will answer these questions, that is, among these 11 candidates there are those for whom

we had questions in the draft scheme, but the candidates answered these questions and passed on at the same time, the majority, well, almost all of those candidates to whom there were many questions, they did not pass the integrity interview, and this actually shows the quality of the work of the commie, and because she found those aspects that by the way, neither journalists nor public activists e nor, for example, international ukraine they did not see them. they did not know them yet due to the restriction of access to information due to martial law, but the commission investigated all this , the commission inquired from different sides about various nuances , went away and identified those people who, in their opinion commissions are virtuous enough for this position. when the 11 candidates who passed this stage of the competition were announced on saturday, the commission noted that this does not

mean that these people are dishonest at all. a person is appropriate for the position of director, but that is absolutely not, well, it cannot prohibit these people from participating in other competitions for other state positions and does not mean that these people will be completely acceptable for those other state positions. well, we will note that this is the main anti-corruption officer, in fact, who should deal with all top officials in the country. therefore, this position is very serious for all of us. and what do you think and why did one person withdraw? what were the reasons at the interview stage, and were there reasons for health if i i'm not mistaken, and that's why there are absolutely so absolutely personal reasons - we found out exactly at the moment when the interview was supposed to take place, that is, such a message came from yevgeny donetsky, and

regarding the others, your question. quality, transparent and properly because, well, considering the seriousness of the post, we, for our part, rate the work of the commission very highly, and also because we have the opportunity to compare it with other competitions for similar positions, including anti-corruption positions, well , the brightest one is the story of the selection of the head of the sap but if you compare it, it's already a little bit from me, i'll say that if you compare the work of the commission now and the work of the commission 1.5 years ago, it's heaven and earth. these are really very competent people. and i'm talking about representatives of ukraine, well, of ukrainian citizens as well as representatives of the international community who were involved in the work of the commission and the question is very deep, very competent , even from the point of view of understanding how , for example, the electronic declaration of officials, for some reason, something

was declared, something was not declared, how can there be a defined or undefined conflict of interests in fact, from the point of view of the competence of each of the members of the committee and asked questions and clarified these questions, we can understand that these are really people who approach their work very carefully it was noticeable even at the stage and the previous stages of the competition, but it was during the interviews that we saw that, at the moment, there are no arguments at all to talk, for example, about the influence on the commission by some, it is not visible and uh, these are very well-grounded, very well-considered conversations with very specific and very questions that really show even us people who just watched these interviews and show what

this or that candidate can be like from the point of view of this honesty, i didn't watch all the interviews, but i read printouts there, some people shared their impressions on social networks, what impressed you the most there among the answers to the questions, i understand that it is about integrity there. the main question was about the origin of wealth, and very few people could explain why he has so much property for such a small salary that he earned during his life and there, how are people, someone will earn a third of a million dollars in cryptocurrencies for 300,000, someone's mother gave 1-2 million there, someone there er, i received some kind of inheritance, too, from someone like that, or someone said that i was from na- for lunch , i was saving money during my student years , saving and not saving $200,000 or so for one house for

two, what is the most for you? i was most impressed by these answers. please, i can’t say that i was impressed by many things , but i will correct you a little at once, because saying that everyone had problems explaining their property is not entirely appropriate, because out of 20 candidates, 11 passed, that is, 11 were able to do it explain and all the cases you mentioned, all the cases you mentioned, regarding those candidates, they did not come any further, that is, none of the examples you listed, which, by the way , were very widespread in social networks, in general, in the media, they did not come any further, and this is exactly what we are showing here for these interviews for integrity if you have something that can cause questions explain where it comes from if you can't explain it then you probably shouldn't go to the directors of nabu because you

won't be able to explain a lot of others later things because it will be about cases worth a-a millions tens of millions and maybe even billions of hryvnias and er this will also have to be explained including at the level of one's own reputation because the commission also investigated not only the property of a and that er-e and the activity of the candidates on social networks, what they wrote, how they wrote, how they reacted to certain things, and this was also reflected to some extent in the results we heard on saturday victoria, well, on april 16, we will have our first anniversaries without a manager for a year or two, it seems like a year already what do you think, when will the next full-fledged leader be elected? and it depends , of course

, on the pace of decision-making in the cabinet of ministers . at the beginning of the next one, it is possible that there will already be the three candidates recommended by the government commission, we hope so, again, how long this process will take, it is difficult to say now, but how soon the decision will be made is currently unclear from the point of view of appeals from the point of view of statements from the leadership of the country, we see a huge interest in this happening soon . therefore, it is possible at the beginning of spring already the beginning of spring already this week, but in the coming weeks we will get a new director, but for now we cannot predict any such things are a bit complicated here, recruitment used to be an independent body, and now it has actually become an executive body, it is appointed by the government, that is , a branch of the executive power, do you think this is a right

? an independent authority remains an independent authority. from this point of view, we can say that the sab is an independent authority because it is included in the system of prosecutorial bodies and vaccines from your point of view . well, if we look from your point of view, from your point of view side, but independence at the level of decision-making is important here, and at the moment, after this decision, what will be subordinated to the cabinet of ministers, the independence of decision-making by the director or management will not change in any way, the inaccuracies that were in the legislation when the president, according to the constitution, or rather, according to the law, had to perform functions that are not inherent to him according to the constitution , that's why this uh-uh change that you are talking about now includes executive power bodies in the list of executive power bodies, this is simply

the normalization of the situation for the independence of the independence can be affected by other things, well, how can i disagree with you, well, first of all, the law definitely says that there should be a central body of executive power with a special status, this is the first thing. well, secondly, if you are appointed the cabinet of ministers well, i was appointed by the cabinet of ministers, as kuchma said on the tapes of khmelnytchenko, i appointed you. so come on, as a judge to someone. conflict of interests mrs. victoria, who is appointed directly to the ministers who are potential clients of this very nabu, well , someone still has to appoint a manager, the garden was appointed by the prosecutor general, although he was chosen by the commission, the director of

the potential nabu director is chosen by the commission, she chooses three candidates who will then be handed over to the government, and this is exactly the task of the commission to choose those three people who will not be influenced by the government, that is, this opportunity is currently in the hands of the director selection commission, but the government must choose one among the three, and that too. if these three are equally strong, equally independent and show their integrity and competence, and the commission will think about it and decide that each of these three will be equally independent. in the final case, what difference does the government choose at the end of the previous the director of the nabu was appointed by the president by his decree, did this mean that the director of the nabu could not conduct

an investigation against the president, anyway, someone should appoint ms. victoria, how many representatives of international organizations were there , what ratio was 50 to 50 from the international of ukraine, 50 from the international community victoria case is a fashionable word now ruslana gabrielana how do you treat him or did he undermine trust in general to the holding of this competition and to the commission when a person was removed halfway there he took the intermediate second position in the overall rating due to the fact that he seems to have no experience, at least the initial document from him was accepted and there were no questions about experience then, i am asking for such stories when the commission accepts the documents, admits a person to the competition , but then checks whether he has managerial experience there have already been such cases, and this story is not only about this competition, therefore , simply in different staff lists in various

state bodies, the concept of a managerial position or not a managerial position can be interpreted differently, therefore, at this time after the reception documents, he focused on verifying the data that were actually provided in these documents while the testing was taking place and this verification took place during the meeting when the commission was discussing the issue of the withdrawal of ruslan gabrielyan from the competition from participation in the competition by the way, one of the members of the commission mentioned that we might miss him. well, he really passed the test very well, what do other commissions do, if i'm not mistaken, it's the head of the commission, kucheryavenko, he said, "we say that discrediting in this way discredits the work of the commission to a certain extent" why, because many people who were also very possibly

competent and virtuous and so on, but did not have this experience for 5 years . as it is written in the law, they did not apply from the beginning, so we, therefore, uh, well, we are simply dishonest in relation to that and we are putting the entire competition at risk because we are violating the rules that were stated from the beginning. some violation on the part of the commission or something. well, the competition is actually something shady. thank you very much for your work, mr. victoria , what is it like to monitor all these cases ? or if i, oleg tatarov, were not in office now, there would be no problems either, but this story somewhat overshadows this story with the contest, you know, i am simply not knowledgeable, well, there are doubts

about certain certain involvement of someone victoria the karpina editor of transperection international ukraine was with us, an organization that monitors the selection of candidates for the position of the head of the national anti-corruption bureau of ukraine, and this institution's head should deal with top corrupt people. well , there is a bit of a conflict of interest here, and because the cabinet of ministers appoints one of the three, and knowing that we have there is someone to deal with it. well, here is a little bit, but knowing the history of, for example, the previous minister of something, he was a brewer of infrastructure, which now we already have a corruption standard for his dismissal to repeat the story of his school accident, to elect the head of the anti-corruption bureau, there will be uh and who else will give a bribe, this can also be one of us because, judging by the way there are

unofficial comments, and i confused the singer with artem pivovarov, we forgive you . we invite anton hrushevskyi, deputy director of the regional office, anton, we congratulate you. good day, we don't hear you, we see you. please, once again , good day. 90% of ukrainians believe that it is necessary to strike a blow on the territory of russia, this is the result of the survey absolutely the majority of ukrainians, almost 92% in all regions, said yes, it is necessary to strike, and the mayor conducted these surveys. how do you comment on them , what does this indicate, anton, yes , let's try to connect with anton again, yes, the detail of this survey is that the largest number of people who think that it is necessary to strike in russia, do you know where he lives in the east and in the south of ukraine, in the west, in the center or in the north, namely from the east and from the south, they believe that it is absolutely necessary to hit russia

without any uh, these s- confusion is already with us anton groshytskyi i i didn't hear ana, let's add it now notes, what do you think should be taken away? i think that if there is expediency and moreover, there we are considered that without, well, without division into civilian objects, not civilian military, if there is an urgent need , we strike, well, that is, the closer the people are, i explain myself, no, the more people encountered the russian world in kharkiv oblast, zaporozhye, there in dnipropetrovsk oblast, so they understand that the russian world can only be fought with the methods of the russian world. listeners and viewers of modern technologies - this is also a benefit , sometimes evil happens to adapt

, you are actually absolutely hello, because the essence of the survey and the main results were there consisted of several components. we can't on russia because it will provoke an escalation, we asked the ukrainians themselves what do they think about this and you see that 90% believe that ukraine should strike and we gave different variants of these strikes, only military facilities and military plus energy infrastructure, or at all to hit everything in russia, as is done in russia in ukraine, that is, including the civilian population, we see that 90%, and moreover, both in the west and in in the east of ukraine believe that it is necessary to strike, and half of them believe that it should include energy facilities or, in general, everything that is on the territory of russia, and these are very noticeable results, because a year ago , before the invasion, ukrainians looked at ordinary russians as a friendly people, in principle they were treated well, they were considered separate in everything, and now even an average resident of the south and east believes that ukraine should give an answer to others, a noticeable result is that even those respondents who are generally ready

for some territorial concessions, even among them 80 % believe that ukraine should cause lashing out and beat on the territory of russia is not certain such a society and awareness russia as an enemy with which how did you say that even if it rained in kharkiv and you liked russia all your life you have relatives, friends, there may be economic interests, but i saw that this russian measures closely, i understand after him that it is necessary to drive away weapons from the borders of ukraine anton well, you mentioned the western partners and the escalation, they are afraid that the escalation will not start in their territory, and the ukrainian simply already there's nothing to be afraid of, you know, when there, well, this political scientist was hit in the swamps like that in belarus, my wife says to me and now they will do something in response, i say well, what else will they do, what else will they do we didn't do it, so we are not afraid anymore. and our european partners are the same. they are probably afraid that something will start in

them. i understand their positions correctly . well, they did not go abroad with the absences that you can, that is, people, as people of ukraine, they look at this situation differently, so they don't care. it seems scarier and more difficult than when you imagine inside the crimea and you are right because this is the essence of the results that ukraine is asking and that yesterday russia will attack ukraine again , of course the option remains with nuclear weapons and well of this type of escalation, but so far ukrainians believe a little less in this and it is obvious that the west has transmitted this necessary information through private channels and then launches another rocket and that is why they react in this way, but you still see that there are fears behind and although objectively it is clear that russia with its current forces will attack the western countries just physically, don’t forget because there are none, but this is the kind of fear of russia that our generation has instilled in europeans, it is given as a sign and

the mafia weapons against this should be shown once again to the europeans and other western crimea that we are united that we are not afraid that what was a popular phrase in the fall that these shellings on february 24 are only now we are not afraid we are not afraid and we are moving towards victory mr. antony and what other results of this survey were there that can be singled out as significant and previously such trends were not observed among the mood of ukrainians, in fact , there have not been any new significant ones recently , because the breakdown of public consciousness took place in march of last year, the end of february, march , that is, we have so much at the same time in march and april, the ukrainians already believed in victory, they believed that ukraine should not negotiate with russia, but in fact everything has stabilized , it turns out that now the ukrainians this year have not suffered great losses, the destruction of victims, which has happened, but it is only strengthening in its faith that it is necessary to move on, by the way, we also published another survey

last thursday, a comprehensive run, and by the way . or closely supported negotiations with russia , now less than 30% of them. and all this is imposed by the way, well, it’s all like a general such negative that there can be negotiations with a country that commits genocide against ukrainians , that there can be territorial concessions for a criminal who asked to kill and contain everything around, how can we not strike if the anointing of the bible means that we are there one cheek was put up, the other cheek was put up. and now we are giving the answer by the teeth, and regionally, these answers are somehow different, for example, east , south, center, north, west, or not, so far noted and here is the key one of these - it is a result of russian aggression, this is such a regional unity of ukrainians, after all, even before the invasion on february 24, there would have been certain differences after the 14th year, they somewhat smoothed out, but they still continued

to exist, and after february 24 on tuesday, they are simply not there, so in the east, in the south, there is a little less support for european integration, for example, there is accession to nato, but even there , by the way, in the south-east, 80% plus support ukraine's entry into mnogotos from the point of view of the task of striking the patrol territory of russia on in the east, 89% also support the task of strikes, and even in the east, half of the people believe that it is necessary to strike both at military and energy facilities, and this is very important because in our country before the invasion , the largest half of the residents of the east claimed that they had close relatives in russia, with whom they communicate, the absolute majority of them treated the russians well. and now the residents of the east think that we should strike at the energy sector. according to ukrainians, this is such a complete breakdown of consciousness, because russia simply died in someone, well, in all regions of ukraine, russia died as

a certain reference point. age groups, is there any difference, please, in fact, it is now joining the european union. about 90% support it , depending on the wording of the questions of nato's entry , 80-85%. but if previously we had a conditional west and center, then there is an absolute majority for the european union and for nato in the south and east, there was a slight predominance of the european union with a large number of opponents and the majority were against nato . now even in the east, 80% are in favor of ukraine joining nato to the north, and in general, a higher percentage than 80 support ukraine's accession to nato in groups a little less for such people among the older age groups. but among all age categories, support for ukraine's accession to nato and even more so to the european union prevails, and even more than 90% of ukrainians believe that in 10 years ukraine will be prosperous

a member of the european union and are ready to endure for several years in order to achieve this goal, and that is, in fact, this whole war is perceived as not just some existential struggle for survival - of course it is. are formed, including a sharp decrease in the number of species willing to go abroad , more people want to stay, live in ukraine , build in ukraine, resist the pile-up and press-5 to this happy future. shame that for this we had to start launching rockets at us, mr. anton, thank you for the work presented on our broadcast by anton hrushevskyi, deputy director of akmis , about the latest sociological survey, in particular , of the international institute of sociology, sociology is operating out of command, the south warns that missile strikes are possible today , please be very vigilant, that 's the end of the informative and analytical morning marathon and mustard rent have been with you for the past five years, we're not going back anywhere follow the angelica express, the season was wrapped up with