tv [untitled] February 28, 2023 12:30pm-1:00pm EET
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[000:00:00;00] i don't know how my own mother is constantly calling and putin knew that macron is calling, that means everything is fine, the shol is calling, that means in principle everything is fine, the war is going on, europe in the person of these two political leaders somehow reacts to this , we are conducting a dialogue, i am telling them some kind of nonsense they are listening, they are also expressing some concern and in principle, the process continues, but macron and scholz have not called putin for a month . moreover, despite everything, macron's emanal is planning his visit to beijing, this also indicates that moscow ceases to be the center of gravity for europe and, obviously, for not only in europe, because the newly proclaimed president of belarus, oleksandr lukashenko, flew to beijing, and to speak with a sibilance, with the same sibilance that, let's say, putin has not been meeting recently, and ivan and i flew to moscow to the ministry of security affairs of china before we move on to i want us to listen to lukashenka now, before
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he flew to beijing, there are very important words there, younger, peace-loving people, we know what war is. in the last war, we lost a third of our population to someone else the war was received in such a way that napoleon entered russia through us there and back . he destroyed belarus. first world war, the theater of military operations was here . god forbid with the territory of ukraine
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, there will be complete aggression against the belarusian state. respubliki i.e. macron plans to go to beijing and does not call putin, scholz does not call putin and lukashenko, allegedly a faithful vassal of putin, says that we will be possessed suddenly, the support of the world community and beijing is not moscow, he says, which won all the weapons already from the territory of belarus for this criminal war, but to beijing and this is an explanation of why we are talking about china today because it is becoming in reality one of the players in this in this in this war, mr. taras , i have a question for you please tell me why this has changed why yes it has changed why europe has not is calling why did lukashenko rush to beijing and where is moscow now ? please explain when this change happened. i think that everyone can understand when this change happened, please mr. taras. actually, this change happened after the west saw that ukraine stands and ukraine stands in in this war, ukraine can be supplied in principle with absolutely all types
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of weapons that we need for victory, and we will use these weapons as effectively as possible, and likewise well, if against this background we saw the weakening of the russian within the regime and in the regional dimension and in the global level, well, in the dimension, yes, that is, russia , as we see it today, is practically nothing , nor a global player. in the fact that when there is a knee-jerk reaction, well, so that everyone considers russia to be a world nuclear superpower again, yes , that is, they actually started all this for this. and in a year of war, and they practically zeroed out their combat capability, er, almost their entire potential military, yes they are, in principle, when you are everything else, that is, they are absolutely not a player of the global level, they are not even a player of the regional level, once the president of the states in obama called russia a regional state, and at that time putin personally took great
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offense because, well, he already has head then there was this delusion about the world of peace, in the end we see that the post-soviet so-called space no longer exists in principle yes and it actually all slipped out of moscow's hands lukashenka's visit in such a way is just right confirms. yes, i am not talking about kazakhstan, but about all the other former soviet republics, which. we saw at the last summits, at least, which russia held there , the cis, the so-called udcb, and so on. well, in general, how does putin communicate, even regional leaders, yes of those former parts of the soviet union. well, europe also sees it and it is clear that considering what russia is doing on the territory of ukraine, it is rude and uh , well, it's just uh, an irresponsible violation of absolutely all international legal frameworks that also apply to humanitarian law and driving
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war and, in principle, as if yes. but if these international security systems were clear that no one would communicate with such a state and such a leader, and to the honor of oleksandr hryhorovych, he was there on the anniversary of the war, he told how he talked with putin on the phone for a very long time. that is, it was probably such an outlet for the russian leader against the background of the fact that, well , no one calls at all anymore, and after that lukashenko flew to beijing, we see that china is actually now trying to pick up this lost influence of the russian federation of region and it is not enough that china, as they say, buys shares of russian companies at a discount in principle , the cheapest, the most reasonable ones are russian, and so on, he is still politically trying to raise the post-soviet space under himself where possible with kazakhstan , well, history is clear. so now it is obvious that an attempt in everyone should do the same, or at least, well, make it so that belarus, including in many respects, continued to depend on china, we appeal to the honor of
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oleksandr hryhorovych, he doesn’t have czech , but obviously some are possible to appeal, you know why grigoryovych is demonstrative, he is demonstrative because he is such a typical example of a political rat, he senses danger very well and when this rat has already run to beijing , it means that in russia he can only hear the only one when you leave the army and how many more in your weapons are missing somewhere. how many have you not given us yet, because there are supplies? i will simply remind you that when did the battle of sevrenetsk sich begin, when was it, especially the battle of bakhmut, this is the battle that has been going on since the summer, like stalingrad, it is already true february, stalingrad will end in february ended on the 42nd, this bakhmut battle continues, then a lot of weapons and combat supplies were cleared from belarus and transported to the front. that's why lukashenko can clearly hear from putin that and here he is going to hear something completely different, first of all, he now he already says that
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he relies on support from beijing, mr. vasyl . i will then address this question to you. and lukashenka, i will ask you to comment on why he ran there so quickly and what kind of help he is. maybe he even hopes for suddenly that military aid well, when putin really gets in his way, he will try to show some aggression towards belarus, and why is this important because the state department of the united states of america did not ignore the whole story with the fact that china is negotiating with russia regarding the supply of lethal russian weapons federation in the war against ukraine, the state department warned the people's republic of china that the supply of arms will cause a certain action by the state department and there will be those sanctions that will be very painful for china because i am the main importer for china well, where do they send their exports to? these are the countries of the european union, the united states of america. well, of course there. that is, the main trade there is not with russia , that is why it is important. that is why it is important for china
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. vasyl, in your opinion, did lukashenko really run there? - to ask for certain guarantees, and again, if you want guarantees, china will never promise you anything if it does not demand something from you, well, this is eastern philosophy. weak, what could lukashenko promise and what could he ask for? vasyl, please. i will comment on a few points here for the first time. china is very respectful of ceremonies, especially political ceremonies. and that's exactly what macron's refusal and shol are. calling moscow, lukashenko's visit to moscow is just all the chinese ceremonies in the political life of ancient china among us can claim that there is an interest in lukashenko, but lukashenko appeals to the history of the second world war for china. the second world war is one of
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the most tragic pages in the history of the the sacrifices of the chinese nation are extraordinary because we have the course of the second world war in china is almost unknown to the majority of the population, but credit should be given to lukashenka's associates , they incorporated it into this speech and this means that lukashenka will appeal to china with some requests, what will these requests be well, i can't give uh, i don't have enough forecasts, i said that it's uh, he will, so to speak, swear allegiance, that is, a mandarin from a distant province is going to beijing to swear allegiance to his new emperor i think that it will look somehow and what he will get for this , he gets for his loyalty this will be the price of these negotiations, i will only remind our viewers, although again, i will say , already on the catch, your your your statements that you are
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not a diplomat, that is why you are not you are commenting on things that are diplomatic. i will also not comment on the world trade economy, but it is no secret that chinese business was actively working on the territory of belarus, there were enterprises there. i even remember this video when lukashenko welcomed chinese investors who came to build certain things in belarus, it is profitable for china because, well, first of all, belarus is a border with poland , a border with lithuania, a border with the european union, in fact, everything is nearby, ukraine is also a transit state for europe, well, that is, it is more profitable to build than , say, to build some provinces somewhere there china has something here , it is much closer to that. china has an economic interest in belarus as its own. it has its interests all over the world . china it should not be given credit here. they invest money where it is possible, where in the future. suddenly, it will be possible to have some of that disk. you said that the mandarin went to swear an oath to the emperor, i can paraphrase it here that the belarusian prince went, so to speak, to the khan of the golden horde , of course
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the golden horde and the chinese are different stories. well, we are drawing certain parallels here, and that's why i would like to go to russia now, and before we go to russia, will moscow return to the bones, so to speak, although we said of course appeared in the first record about moscow, if i'm not mistaken, and vypadivsk er-e chronicles er-e, although they said that the first mention was when moscow was founded by khan menngun well, but there was no mention of earlier as a russian settlement, but in any to a greater extent, moscow was formed precisely during the times of the so-called golden horde, i say the so-called or until the end, historians do not give an understanding of what it was for, what time it was, and the roman-gol saga, and therefore muscovy can return. speak with one's bones and i now we will talk specifically about the prospects of russia, and before we move on to this conversation, i want us to listen to vladimir putin, who obviously began to see through it more clearly, to see more clearly the prospects
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of the federation headed by him, they have one goal , to dismantle the former soviet union and its main part the russian federation, and then maybe they will accept us in the so-called all civilized people, but only separately do you understand each part separately. i think that the fates of many peoples in russia and, above all, of course, the russian people . well, they will change dramatically. well, i just don't know in a drastic way whether such an ethno- jump will be preserved. somewhere there are urals and so on. well, that’s all there was to the plans of the russian people, although so far no one has been able to define such an ethnonym as the russian people, what it is in general. well, in any case, let it be a
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p. taras putin could not have made this statement by chance and this journalist did not come out of the horn somewhere, suddenly it is not even zelensky, there before the war, you could meet him somewhere, well , you can’t meet putin, you can’t meet baida, he would be a er, but not putin it is possible to meet with a question that was not agreed upon, the answer and the question are all agreed upon, how do you comment on this and is putin really beginning to understand that the collapse of russia may be some kind of short-term story, and then part of russia may really become part of china in that or otherwise or just countries dependent on china or just some autonomous parts of it, please, mr. taras, ah, well, actually, in this story, actually, this is putin’s scenario . he’s quite nice, especially with muscovites , he came up with it beautifully, ah, creatively. oh, and it’s actually the same has all the er all the objective prerequisites for this to happen but it seems to me that these are the current statements of the russian
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authorities er at least now at this moment yes they primarily have such a very clear propaganda orientation the fact is that now the russian regime, well, sensing this military defeat in ukraine and the military fiasco , that is, taking into account the fact that they themselves have their first strategic ideas and plans, so in principle they did not realize what they were with they started this invasion of ukraine a year ago. well, actually , the year of this full-scale war, he showed russia and the russian army a completely different picture, in fact, that the russian army is absolutely not ready for such a war in the classical sense of the word, that is, when it encountered on the battlefield with a different army, a different country, and it is a different army, it is well-equipped, well-motivated and well-trained . let's put it this way, the russians are beginning to lose their way and, in principle, they have to return to their classic strategic approach
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of throwing hats, and with on the other hand, the russians are used to fighting simply the civilian population of mine with some semi-paramilitary formations, as russian propagandist mark described everything very well, wines with barmales and oh, if a whole generation of russians grew up on this, not even one e generals who are now practically demonstrating their maximum helplessness on the battlefield, and under these conditions, the russian regime simply needs to change the coordinate system, so that this confrontation and war is perceived not with reference to what is happening on the battlefield in ukraine, but as an accomplice to that this is a confrontation with the measures, what does it mean, the request wants to disband the collective, and so on . well, first of all, this is actually this horror story that is aimed at balancing this situation in some way inside the country, but certainly with this propaganda awareness of these things will come the awareness of the real danger, we just a-a for the russian regime, it will be equally tied to what will
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happen on the battlefield in ukraine and ultimately to the fact that what place will russia occupy both in the global composition and in the regional composition as well, that is, in principle, we see that this is how it is because of propaganda, but all the same, the russian regime will come to the realization that, in fact, by its actions in ukraine and er, in the region and on at the global level, the current russian leadership has simply led the current russian state in the form in which it is in history , well, actually to the edge of the abyss, vasyl , i have a question for you. the territory, well, except for the city of vladivostok, i just forgot what it was called in chinese, i didn’t check it again now, but except for the city of vladivostok , which was chinese there until very recently , well, relatively in a historical perspective. which territories can china claim directly understanding that these are territories of historical well, what about the other territories which
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by the way, i would like to remind you here that putin has already given a lot of territory to china and leased it for a fairly long period. we are talking about protected territories. in particular, the territories are rich in trees, and over there beyond the altai, china has a territory. which well, actually , it’s already his, they are russian. and that’s basically why he ended up here are the lands that china can tell you, it’s mine, it’s historically mine even without any er-e layering with diplomatic legs, please. and in fact , we correctly said that this is the territory around vladivostok, it is the far east of russia , it is the khabarovsk region - this is the er territory, er, south of baikal, this is what china can really claim according to the rule that russia was rejected from him is illegal even according to the meaning of diplomacy of the 19th century, and i think that he will claim all
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the territories that he will economically need and that will be economically profitable as it will be it will already be justified. let's say it's a question of chinese diplomacy. and let's say it's a question of what china will offer for this to russia or putin personally . here we should not forget that the structure of this state, whatever it was called, included at least the astrakhan khanate, the kazan khanate and the siberian khanate, i.e. those territories of modern russia to which china can theoretically also claim because in in these regions there is a large chinese economic presence, it is in the urals, it is in siberia, it is in the south of russia, where there are huge
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chinese agricultural holdings, and it is also in the povor region, where the chinese, er, i think that they are extremely interested in oil production , that is, all territories that are economically will be attractive in the sphere of china's interests. well, then, for our viewers, i'll just do a little, a minute, a minute of history . vladivostok was called haishen wai usuriysk, and the ministry of defense resources of the people's republic of china posted a new version of the map world, where it is proposed to return to the use of the chinese names of eight cities and the territory occupied by the russian empire at the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century, according to a new directive from beijing, vladivostok should regain the name that i have already said haifenvai khabarovsk is not bali, let's not confuse it, this is not where lavrov was hospitalized, but an island sakhalin kuye dao well, actually this is what china can claim and when russia says today that
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conditional kherson or mariupol is for some reason theirs and their cities, although again mariupol is a cossack pledge that was known long before that, what is the name of the russian empire? well, kherson, actually kherson, and in its modern form, was founded by the russian empire of azov - this is not russian territory, they can claim it, but china , i say. claim from the other side , again from the other side they say that china does not want the defeat of russia in any way because the defeat of russia will determine that china's claim to taiwan can be conditionally postponed saying, china pushed putin forward into the fight to see what it is and how it will be, well, when putin receives blow after blow, china understands that it is probably necessary to wait with this fight because, well, you see my satellite is starting to be beaten, so i am probably also somewhere around the corner i will wait, so here is the question: finally, we will talk about how long, mr. taras , under the conditions that exist today, how long can china
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tolerate a russian war, which in principle is largely disadvantageous to it, and under what conditions it can act more radically in order to to sit putin at the negotiating table without conditions from the kremlin. they always want their own conditions, but without conditions from the side, it’s better , let’s finish it, guys. it’s clear now that a big war for the division of the world is impossible, we’ll lose everything in it, it’s clear, we start making local victories for ourselves and local gains think of china and please, mr. taras . do you know? i think that in fact china has now taken the position of waiting for russia to become as weak as possible, that is, it is clear that the longer the war lasts, the rather, it extracts resources first of all from russia, which country actually did not have that much of this resource. so, because well, if we are talking about the other side and in this global confrontation about the countries of the western world, then we must understand that in terms of resources , russia is absolutely there is no even a minimal comparison between this
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economic er and social technological powerhouse that the west actually is, china is now er waiting, well, if it is watching this dynamic of the weakening of russia and measures the weakening of russia, china is trying to use the tools of economy and social influence and financial influence and in the end it all transforms into political influence and so on. in this way, gradually taking over control over individual regions in russia and separate processes in russia over individual branches of the economy and so on. that is , you know, this is the classic soft power in action and for this you don't need to introduce troops for this you don't need to start a war and do all this stupidity that the russian regime did a year ago and in the end back in 2014 annexing crimea and occupying a part of the territory of the ukrainian donbass, we actually uh, now china is somehow trying
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to make the most of this situation, so they buy cheap chinese, cheap russian energy carriers, companies buy shares, take control and so on. in the end , it seems to me that all this will end with model a- and in which relations between russia and belarus are currently taking place, only russia will turn into the belarus of china, yes, that is, well, it will be practically fun, yes, it will be practically full political, economic, and security control over this region, and then the chinese say the west. well , you see me right at this russian leader. the model of subordination that is now what all of belarus is for. it seems to me that so far china is strategically aiming at this, but of course , well, circumstances will change and it is possible that the chinese strategy will also change . you know how i think that when russia was preparing
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war although it was very actively preparing and when everyone thinks that russia's stupid army was dumbfounded and all the generals were dumbfounded, that's why they actually didn't take kyiv no, they prepared very well, you know, listening to experts, reading a lot about it, there were just certain nuances of some sort, i don't know first of all, they took into account that there are ukrainian peoples and the ukrainian army in principle, but if we take into account sunza's book on the art of war, it is obvious that the russians did not read it, they definitely did not as chinese philosophy suggests, but chinese philosophy is still good the understanding of the world is to sit on the bank of a river and wait for it to pass the corpse of your enemy, well, it is obvious that china is actually doing this right now , waiting for the corpse to float by, it could be, as they thought, the corpse of ukraine, and it could be the corpse of russia, because whoever is the winner, china will negotiate with that absolutely, after congratulating on the victory and i will say that everything is fine. let's live on and be friends. well, those who lost, they were like tatars, the mongols did, they put the person they wanted to lose under the flooring and sat down on that wooden flooring and celebrated, and the person at that time she died under these wooden boards, well, that's actually
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what they did . by the way, with the russian ambassadors, well, from russia, china can do the same with the russian federation, and mr. vasyl, then i have another question for you, well, actually, what i asked mr. taras about when can there be that turning point when china will start to impose stricter conditions on moscow and behave more harshly towards moscow, just like a vassal. one moment made putin understand that your place is already here. here is your chance to be there. you just lost, please, as soon as possible and putin uh, they will begin to cause china more problems than benefits, and let's say it will close the opportunities to use uh, its policy , then china will immediately make a uh decision for the one you say to start negotiations uh without any conditions until that
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moment as long as china is allowed, let's say, to balance on this border of relations, etc., bearers of the border of military confrontation between ukraine and russia. but there is another interesting point here, that the industry of the west is gradually being spun up for military aid to ukraine on the one hand, on the other hand, to replenish its reserves and rearmament, and the chinese economy is entering a period of stagnation, and just about all threats or warnings from of the united states of america in relation to china they are precisely not in the political, not in the military, but purely in the economic plane, as soon as cata- china will begin to bear economic losses, that's when
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the chinese will move to political decisions with us literally 40 seconds for an answer, but i will ask one question very briefly , mr. taras, and another one, mr. vasyl, so that we have more information. a lot of decisions related to the security of our state and global security are decided jointly by us on international platforms where china also plays an active role, mr. vasyl, and i have a question for you, you know, i have heard such opinions that someone fears for some reason the united states, in particular europe, do not want to finish off putin quickly because there is a warning about the fact that the nuclear potential of russia to one degree or another may come under the control of china. because when the chaos begins, well, who will be able to take control of these things , of course, such a power as china well, or are there any others willing, or is there such a risk in your opinion? well, if everything falls quickly in russia and when the army flees like from western europe, selling tanks and guns on the way, what in principle is there something to eat if you are a clear
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threat or not? evaluate it as a threat our western partners, please, if possible, tell us what the threat is, the western partners are evaluating it, and i think that the time they are spending is precisely what is needed for the development of such options and for the preparation of forces that will be able to seize the initiative at a critical moment i thank you very much for joining me. it was a pleasure to spend time with you listening to professional people , they talked about a not very important topic, and in principle , i think that our viewers understood and learned more. taras shevchenko candidate of political of sciences - member of the public council at the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine exps of the international security fund de initiatives thank you very much mr. taras and thank you vasyl pavlov the head of the expert group on internal communications of the directorate of information policy in the field of defense and strategic communications of the ministry of defense of ukraine military historian thank you very much mr. vasyl i will be happy to launch these guests
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. i liked this conversation. i liked fresh, professional, cool thoughts. but china is not somewhere there, but in this war it plays a very important role, in fact, and relatively speaking, the supply of weapons by china to russia is primarily tanks, i think this will be discussed, because today russia feels in the eastern direction , in particular, the donetsk direction, if we talk about it significantly problems with the provision of equipment, and this is also true. of course, this can affect the course of the war, and therefore it is important what position china is taking now. it is important that china is now being pressured to some extent by the united states of america, and ukraine also has its own position build in relation to this what to give in any way to china to influence this war because it is not really his war, the war between ukraine and russia, since ukraine is the victim in this war and not the aggressor, so with the side that has been aggressed , the russian community is the aggressor, so it is helping us here no one helps except e retrey i e chinese people's democratic republic of dprk and this and belarus e thank you very much for being e with me join e e support express
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