[000:00:00;00] i didn't lose, but i didn't win either, because every day of the war it weakens, and then i read that in the chinese media they started to write the names of some russian cities there , vladivostok, there are others already given chinese names, that is, the future expansion of china to the north after the end of this war, too will become more real. do you think it is true ? and i don't think there will be expansion, but i see. the story is like this for china. russia. if we talk about defense strategic documents , it is also an enemy. it was an enemy. russia is now a situational ally for china, which means that if china

somehow manages to achieve its goals or agree even with the states of m.m. iran, in particular, in order to provide itself with energy resources, to provide itself with some additional opportunities to obtain weapons or supplies in weapons , in order for its economy to function, it wants to make it less dependent and from the west, he diversifies his position and he weakens, in fact, weakens his adversary. well, let's say this, the enemy, because before the war, before the start of a full-scale invasion of a full-scale war, and the chinese troops stood near the eastern borders of russia, there were too many of them and now they are gone. they remain by and large, this means that

for china, russia is not an equal state, it is not a state with whom beijing will play on an equal footing, it is really turning into a raw material appendage and a-a china in this way, with the help of russia , with the help of the wound, with the help of other authoritarian regimes, it closes its internal economic issues. it receives guarantees for itself that if a naval blockade by the states begins conditionally, if there are problems in the taiwan gulf or there the south china sea on the territory of the pacific ocean, then he will have some security guarantees, economic security guarantees for himself , but the fact that the russian federation is weakening is that it is advantageous for the chinese, you absolutely have right, everything is correct, oleksandr, thank you for participating in the broadcast, oleksandr demchenko, editor of the world department of the lb.ua website, our

colleague, journalist and editor, let us remind you that lukashenko is dead today, there are already these photos, they write that the belarusian dictator met with his with a wreath because there was such a welcoming ceremony with flags and wreaths. well, i remembered the case of yanukovych with a wreath. it was associated . well, in the meantime, the session of the united nations is going on, and the secretary general of the united nations, antonio otelish, has already spoken there at this event is taking place at the opening of the 52nd session of the un human rights council in geneva, and he said that russia's invasion of ukraine caused the most massive violations of human rights

. dozens of cases of conflict-related sexual violence against men, women and girls added gutarish well, the secretary general called on the international government to respect and activate the universal declaration of human rights from the moment the signature of which will be 75 years old in december. well, if russia has no written rules, neither domestic nor international, how can it influence here? well, it is important to document the important thing to declare and for the whole world to see and understand these facts of crimes , let's talk about this in particular. yes, is there any other foreign information abroad, the coordinator of the center for global interaction of the us state department, which was created to expose and counter foreign propaganda and disinformation , his name is james rubin, he gave an interview to degardia

said that in the usa well, he said that they still understand the fact that china spends billions of dollars on the spread of poisonous disinformation , including messengers that completely coincide with russia's position on ukraine, eh, the well of poisoning by chinese and russian disinformation is from google, ruben said, he said that russia china spends billions of dollars together on information manipulation, he added that beijing acts on a global scale and spends even more than moscow , according to him, china repeats and spreads russia's claim that nato started the war well as a nation and the west, we are not in a hurry to react, and this is a fair judgment that we are facing a very, very big challenge in the communication space, the agreement between china and russia is close to completion, ru rubin said. that the state department and the european commission, the european parliament for its employees, for its deputies, e-e recommended to delete all

chinese social networks, in particular, the tik-tok application , because it is used can be used to collect information personal data, well, to spread disinformation, which the americans think the russians and the chinese are implementing and expanding together ms. valevska, there are those who i don’t have, i didn’t have it, i deleted it somewhere , probably right after the start of the war, they also work very hard there, they delete whoever they want they block the content because it is of chinese origin and questionable propaganda, but how can i spread it through those who spread it in the same way as through odnoklassniki or vkontakte? russian oleksandr motsar joins our conversation, a diplomat ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the states in 10-15 years oleksandr congratulations good day good day mr. oleksandr, let's start with the spread of disinformation together, have russia and china agreed that

the same narratives are being spread through their official and unofficial information as well through their social networks i ask i think that there could be some kind of agreement, even if and who is much easier in the world, especially on human rights, the chinese and the russians have almost similar reviews. therefore, the first option can be be the second let's talk about the session of the united nations organization on human rights, it is ongoing in geneva and i already quoted the secretary general of the un gutsar said that about the violation of human rights in particular by russia in ukraine, what can we expect from this event, what can be the result it will be a declaration of how applied and practical it can be. well, first of all, what is the un people's affairs council

? it is the most authoritative body in the field of promotion and protection of human rights. it is the successor of the un commission on human rights, which existed since 1946. this year, this body radion on human rights deals with the protection of human rights in almost all countries of the world, if it sees this as a necessity, as far as the current session is concerned, then the main issue in its issue will undoubtedly be russia's aggression against ukraine and the violation of rights by the aggressor in the occupied territories. and this violations of human rules or violations of human rights include extrajudicial losses torture abuse cruel treatment deportation to russia e .

criminal with the prosecutor's decisions of the international criminal court, except for the khan, and he was talking about the fact that 16,000 children of ukraine are now deported to russia, and there they are undergoing various kinds of re-education and accelerated procedures for the accelerated retention of russian citizenship, which is also a war crime, that is, the council will concentrate on the issue of violation of human rights by the occupiers on the territory of ukraine as one of the most important of the most important of the issues will be adopted by the un human rights council and of course there will be a report of the session of the un general assembly, which general assembly or the 77th session that is in effect now is happening like this or the 78th well, i think that most likely the 776th session of the general

assembly will consider the report of the un council on human rights, why is the current session very important, because it will consider the report of an independent commission that was created in march of last year to collect evidence about moscow's crimes, about russia's crimes in the occupied territories , the crimes that i said about these information about these crimes, the facts about the crimes mean the testimony of the witnesses, the testimony of those who were injured, the photos, the videos that were taken and which are uh-e pactological evidence will be collected and then handed over to which will deal with the prosecution of the uh-e aggressor

for the commission of crimes and uh the appointment of punishment for this crime, i.e. let russia not hope that it will get away with all this , the day will surely come when those persons who started the war against ukraine and thereby created an international crime committed an international crime, namely the crime of aggression and also all those war crimes crimes against humanity e-e directory war crimes crimes against humanity e crimes of genocide they will definitely be taken into account during court sessions e whether it will be an international criminal court or a separate international tribunal e they will be taken into account and they will have the verdicts must be passed , for sure oleksandr what other levers of influence are

there in the un on russian aggression against russian leaders in addition to those that are currently applied and when you look at the results of the vote on the ukrainian issue in the organization of the united nations, the position of which countries impresses you the most, please, well, look, the un of course closely follows the situation in ukraine, plus there is the fact that the general assembly with almost three-fourths of the votes burns resolutions demanding that russia stop aggression to withdraw its troops beyond the internationally recognized borders of ukraine and says that russia was responsible , including in the text of reparations to ukraine, for all the actions it carried out in

ukraine in relation to ukrainian infrastructure the downside is, of course, that today the security council is blocked due to the fact that russia is blocking all attempts by ukraine and our collective action partners to bring it to justice, therefore the question of suspending the activities of russia in the security council and in the organization of of the united nations for all these crimes committed in our country against peace and against security, violating all the opposite principles of the un charter precisely for violating the principle of the un charter and taking into account that russia is a member of the security council and precisely has to

protect the basic principles of the un charter. to be deprived of participation in the security council and the un, then ukraine is currently working on this. of course, this task is very difficult, very, very, very difficult to perform, we must first of all enlist the support of our partners, that is, the entire collective event, and if such support is then, together with a collective measure , we will be able to work. well, we can already start working today, and we are obviously working with the countries of asia, africa, latin america in order to gain as many votes as possible in order to deprive russia of the opportunity to participate in the work of the un. and to deprive russia of such participation in the work due to the non-recognition of its powers by the committee on powers within the framework of the general assembly, there is a committee for verification of certain powers , it consists of representatives of nine countries, three countries occupy permanent seats there

- these are the united states of america, e.e. china and russia and six countries from different continents are elected to each session of the general assembly in a separate order, so to speak, so the decision of this e-e commission is made by the majority of votes if the commission made a decision on that that in order to suspend the participation of russia in the un and security, the next step could be a resolution of the un general assembly, which would refer to the previous results of the un general assembly, where russia's aggression against ukraine is condemned, everyone is required to withdraw all their troops from the territory of ukraine and restore and so on the integrity and sovereignty of our country and where it was written in the current resolution that russia

is deprived of the right to participate in the un and the security council and then the head of the general assembly could make a decision about the deprivation of russia's participation in the work of the un is a precedent, and this is exactly how it was done in relation to the protein regime of south africa, when in 1974 the general assembly, first the committee on verification of powers, then the general assembly, and then the chairman of the general assembly at that time, the representative lg robotflika just made a decision to exclude south africa, the apartheid regime, from participating in the work of the un, and every year, this decision continued until almost 1994

, that is, for 20 years, mr. oleksandr, but now released from a party to south africa votes together with russia on almost all issues related to the ukrainian war, unfortunately, this is a very unfortunate fact and it is exactly as you said. unfortunately, south africa among those few countries is mainly the so-called rock states which support russia in its war, first against ukraine, and which support russia in voting in various bodies of the organization, including the general assembly and the un human rights council, but as for your human rights council, it consists of 47 countries 13 from asia 13 from africa, eight from latin america, six from investigative europe and eastern western europe. today, ukraine is also a member

of the radion on human rights. last year, for its crime against ukraine, russia was excluded from participation in the council under certain preemptive measures. the council suspended russia's participation in this body, the russians slammed the door and declared that they are leaving the council , that is, for today, for their crimes, and russia is deprived of the right to participate in the work and be elected to the council for human rights, a diplomat , an extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in united states of america in 2010 in 2015 thank you for your participation viktor yagun we already have the deputy head of the sbu 14-15 years old, a major general in the military service and a public figure, we congratulate you , congratulations, good health, give us fresh information let's start the president's office denied ukraine's involvement in

russian drones that attacked infrastructure facilities of an enemy country in various regions of this enemy yesterday . mykhailo podolyak, adviser to the head of the president's office, said on twitter that ukraine does not carry out strikes on territory of russia, this is how he reacted to the accusations of the russians that ukraine attacked the regions of russia yesterday with drones. literally direct language. ukraine does not attack the territory of russia . ukraine is waging a defensive war with the aim of deoccupying all its territories. a defensive war and attack with drones the russian regions in the rear, or not the sly ones, the adviser to the head of the office. well, in general , he is not a military man, how can he know such information, please, listen, where am i? where is the president's office, if the president's office said this, eh?

axiom in the last instance we are not at war with the russian federation on its territory russia on the territory of the russian federation is fighting with the russian federation uh, i don't know belgorod people's republic kursk people's republic let it be sorted out like this , that's the case i support by delyakav in that plan because listen well let's let them conduct an investigation into why the planes were raised in pulkovo , why were they closed with dust what are the flying objects in poznań? by the methods they acted, you know on the side. well, that's all, and let it be sorted out. who are there, the little green men, the little yellow men, there are orange ones on the frame, it's their problem . the aliens are green.

ektakh, how much do they affect the situation on the battlefield in general, viktor, look at the strikes in the depths of the russian federation, they affect not so much the situation on the front line as much as the situation in the russian state, because there are two pictures, there is a picture that which people see that there is something blown up there somewhere near moscow something fell there somewhere in st. petersburg it is not clear what is happening at the airport then you understand everything adegeya and people have this thought listen we are watching television we are all fine where is even the truth on television or what is happening around us , people are trying to find alternative information , they are starting to look somewhere on the internet , they are asking each other, they are interrogating. maybe our government is not so all-powerful. do you understand that this is one of

the elements, including in addition to what is there the ability to do some damage to them, there is a high probability that the population of the russian federation will begin to ask uncomfortable questions to their local authorities, so far local although i think that they will reach the central level, in this way, maybe we will at least try to stir up the situation in in russia, in terms of what may not be so, everything is going smoothly in our country in the so-called special forces , this is in the territory of ukraine, i want to say that such a method is in the territory of the belgorod kursk region, well, in the border regions, write, i have already given my motivation, and people there already clearly understand that there is a war that they are in the line of fire and that everything is not so simple in this life there are aviation arrivals there are artillery arrivals and let them get used to it someday they have to boomerang returned to their territory about the agent

let's talk head of service of security of ukraine, vasyl the kid said that during the six months of his presidency of the sbu, the special service revealed or detained 360 russian agents. how do you assess this work in this regard now and how much more is left for us to carry out , how can we estimate their number? has our our uh, the political elite in our uh, government, well, the government has some structures of the military, uh, special services, and it is extremely uh-uh, difficult to detect , expose, document their criminal activities, and, accordingly, stop the agency that is now used by the military, literally, they already say you know, it was recruited during the last

er active phase of the war, these are usually former activists of pro-russian structures who were recruited either proactively or through messages, they are used for one-time actions, maybe in several actions for adjustment of the fire and really a lot, extremely a lot because we know the lists of those parties, they were actually all completely handed over to the russian special services, and it does not make a great sense to call these people names through social networks and offer them where ideologically, where for money, where for some other e -e motives to work in russia and actually this is the vast majority of the agents that were exposed and detained, this is actually these agents and that is why i say once again that the hairstyle

of this category will be, well, not so long , we have to win and i think that the people themselves they will also bring those who worked for the enemy, but what to do with those who have been implanted for a long time and work very hidden, this is work for many years, and i hope that we will carry out this work, the only thing is that, unfortunately, you have to understand that the work of the special services is an eternal work and the fight against the enemy will last more than one year and more than one decade , but we evaluate our chances, we understand where we are going , we have a defined direction of work, and i hope that the people of the next generation will understand who is the enemy of ukraine and recruit their own supporters of russian

it will be much more difficult for the federation, well, it’s one at the moment , and the other, and i hope that in the near future, in the form in which we see russia, it simply will not exist . to ask at the beginning of february , a member of the committee on national security and defense development from fedirvenislav said that he is the president's representative in the parliament, said that the official investigation into the activities of ivan bakanov, the ex-chairman the sbu is completed and in but its results are not made public, he said he thinks that this society will be a process, society will be informed when it will be necessary because these are stamped inspection materials, materials with restricted access. what do you think is there, we will read and hear . to publish in front of society now, because there are a lot of rumors floating around, up to

the point that ivan bakan left ukraine, not immediately, even before the russian invasion of ukraine, and was not here for a long time the head of the main special service of the country and no one seems to have refuted this information so far, please well, it is difficult for me to condemn based on these materials because any restriction is from five to uh 25 years ago, you really need to understand what really happened there if there is no transfer of materials before the investigation means there are no criminal proceedings and we should wait for the fact that we will have some kind of court decision against this person. i do not expect a punishment. well, what can be the punishment for a person who, by the way, cannot be released from military service because people are not released during military service, martial law, he can be transferred to some other job

, i don't know, put him as an adviser or somewhere to someone or something, but no, not dismiss him from military service, well, if there is no crime, no crime was found so why why not publish at least some, well, some facts, the conclusions of this examination, what are the secretions , this is a homework question, honestly, i just know what kind of situation i once had like this. to me personally, they simply did not give them to me, and i had to look for completely different opportunities there to at least familiarize myself with that material, unfortunately, the system is built this way, it is a special service, they make decisions , at least some report would be born, tell the president there, they asked him, he did not tell

the society, it is necessary this is to explain, because you say , but we all do, and as we can see. well, actually, no , it is necessary to prove, to bring to justice, even if it is public. everything that the public can do, it can sue the public can calmly file a lawsuit and demand that this material be disclosed through the court, and in the judicial body, let the security service or whoever conduct an official investigation . including those of the opposition who could have access to this information, and took responsibility for saying what is actually written there, that is, there are mechanisms that can force the disclosure of our materials. and so it's just us, we won't achieve anything, it's either the court or the investigative commission of the verkhovna rada, that's all, viktor well, very briefly, yesterday ivan the kid

is full-fledged, the head of the service celebrated his 40th anniversary. in short, you know, you are asking about points that i do not comment on at all during the war, this was the appointment of the president, this person with whom i am not familiar, i have never even seen him physically, you know, discuss a person, it is the eyes, i think it is very not the most prestigious, in fact, after of our victory thank you victor yagun deputy head of the sbu 14-15 years major general of the security service of ukraine was with us current news ihor chicheryna my name is valevska thank you for being with us anna eva melnyk continue with the news greetings colleagues in the temporarily occupied ukrainian crimea donetsk luhansk and kyiv region air alarm more