[000:00:00;00] of russian shelling of deliberate terror nikopol and other communities of the dnipropetrovsk region zaporizhzhia kherson and the region of the front-line part of donbas kharkiv and the region of sumyshchyna chernihiv region now in most of the territory of our state where it has been possible to give relative safety to life may not be felt what is the life of those of our people who are in the border areas with russia who is in the south of our country, where there is shelling, where there are people , even though they are not at the front, but still directly at war there, where russia is constantly trying to destroy everything that people have, constantly and without exaggeration, when we prepare active actions of our military and all our defense and security forces, we also mean that such

active actions will gradually restore security to those who are now in the front-line zone. of the occupier and in those territories that will become a deeper rear and in those territories of the border where the defeat of the occupier will finally bring peace. thank you to everyone who is ready to help our state in further active actions. thank you to everyone and to everyone in our security defense forces who is already preparing, and i thank those who, despite all the threats, despite all the dangers, are doing everything possible so that in the front-line areas of ukraine, in the cities and communities that are subjected to russian strikes, normal life is still preserved, this is the state emergency service of ukraine and the police forces and our social and administrative services, local authorities , honest business, of course, volunteers who

help people and the state, special thanks to our border guards and all other soldiers who restrain the enemy, and special thanks to those to our soldiers who destroy the fire points of the occupier, who destroy the enemy's logistics and lead russia to defeat to inevitable defeat. glory to those who are now fighting for ukraine , eternal memory out of respect for each and every one who gave their lives for the independence of our state. glory to ukraine, we congratulate the strong and of indomitable ukrainians, one plus one continues the national telethon, at this time we are working in the format of the night watch discussion platform, where we discuss important and interesting topics in the studio, maria vasylivna works for you, and i and vampinsky ee and today in

ruslan osypenko, ex-executive director of the chinese trade association, is visiting us . volodymyr fesenko, a political scientist, and the topic we chose for our broadcast today are peace plans, and by the anniversary of the war, the whole world is actively discussing how to end this war. and what we hear from our military opponents and from the enemies and these are also statements about peace and their allies talk about peace and we talk about peace but everyone sees this peace russia talks about peace and what can this peace be and what format suits us and what do those chi mean we will talk about other statements about it today in the night watch, for sure so we have two peace plans at once , we have two peace plans at once, out of dear prosperity, to the anniversary of the start of the war, one of them

was voted in the form of a resolution in the un general assembly on february 23 and which is based on the ukrainian peace formula or the so-called zelenskyi peace formula, and the second. literally 5 hours after that, china's peace plan appears, although china itself, by the way, at the un abstained from voting for this resolution , but after 5 hours he presented the world in i forged mine, so to speak, but i refrained from this word nutrition. someone took and told us our own peace plan , which consists of 12 points in order for the audience to understand more or less what we are talking about. i will literally list a few points on the one hand, he caused a rather positive reaction from ukraine due to the fact that he sees a call for territorial integrity. well, it says all countries, but first of all, of course, it is about ukraine , including crimea, and in addition, it is the demilitarization of

zaporozhye zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant a ban, an absolute ban on the use of nuclear weapons under any circumstances, a move towards negotiations under which a cease-fire will become possible, not just a cease-fire, as, for example , mr. urban from hungary called for, namely, a move towards those conditions when a cease-fire will become acceptable, possible for ukraine in including ukraine's rejection of military blocs is something that of course we did not like and cannot like and another unpleasant point for us is the cancellation of sanctions against russia well, actually, such a plan from one side like me said he caused a restrained positivity from kyiv , and president zelenskyi, the minister of foreign affairs, kule, on the other hand , said that this plan is not very good, at least because it puts

the aggressor on the same board and the country that defends itself, but instead talks about some parties that should strive to resolve the conflict, as if they are somehow equally to blame for this conflict, although in fact it is not so. so, mr. ruslan, here is the first question i want to ask you put exactly and how do you feel about this plan , why, in your opinion, did it appear at all, because china is not known for any great successes in peacekeeping anywhere in the world , that china has achieved something somewhere, on the contrary, it is now in such a slippery position when on the one hand it supports the aggressor on the other side does not speak about it directly and avoids all kinds of direct references to the fact that he is on the side of russia in general. well, even if we look at the reaction of the chinese media themselves, which are state-owned, they are not free, we all know this and understand why china rolled out this plan, what does it want hereby

to tell us well, let's understand the main things, in fact, this is not a plan, but peace initiatives. let's say it's a positional document, a non- paper is what diplomats call it when the state presents its positions on one or another issue. will be responsible for certain things. therefore, these are also peace initiatives , secondly, the second point is better than what the russians said when they read this plan, i will not say how they consider this peace plan they first, they approve of it; second, they consider it as a tool for achieving the goals of the ied through political and diplomatic means. this is the essence of what russia saw. our enemy, because we like the russians a priori, cannot fit that in principle. if you look at this plan in order to understand the basis on which it arose why does it serve what purposes ? we need to go back a little to 2013 and

look at the concept adopted by china in building a new world order, as a country it positions itself as a country that is equal to the united states of america and offers an alternative creation of international relations so the concept was called the community of common destiny for mankind, the so-called key and the basis of this concept is the challenge of the hegemony of the united states of america between the university of civilization, it was based on marxism plus confucianism, and confucianism is a golden mean, a balance here they talk about harmony , balance, peace and development in principle, and here on this concept it begins. in us, the confrontation between the united states of america from the 13th year, from the 14th year, the student and the states develop this concept was developed by litelis, who developed the concept of the us strategy in relations with china and where

he prescribed that it will be a balance without restraint, that is, how will it deal with the fact that you are a country that is actually creating an alternative system of international relations. we today we live in the bratanbudsky system , which was created as a result of the second world war, it is a security system , an economic system, international institutions, the imf , the world bank, and it all dominates here. actually torpedoes a shadowy dealer who put his fighter in the ring who fights for him in reality, this is what it looks like. and behind the scenes , it is the master of this fighter who collects the most profits , and russia has already become a vassal, it has ceased to be a center of power, it has become a vassal of china and certainly china also uses them as

a tool, so this confrontation resulted in that in this concept that i said in china's common destiny for humanity, they even defined the regions for which they will fight they will fight for central asia, they will fight for africa, latin america for the arab world and the asian countries. that is, this is the global south, which we are talking about, with which we will not work together. before this, it was heard that ukraine will not work together with african countries and the countries of the rooster, so china is already in fact with in the 80s, it strengthens its position in these countries through finances, through political relations, through peacekeeping missions, it increases its authority in the global south, it is a competition, it is a document, it is a tool for the continuation of this competition with states of america, why did the plan appear now, it didn't appear for a year, and here it suddenly took off and appeared because the balance of forces on the battlefield was disturbed , russia began to lose and therefore lose

its subjectivity precisely because before russia claimed what it wanted to take over the role of the other pole and now, in fact, the master of this fighter must come out from behind the scenes, china itself must come out, because russia has already lost its subjectivity precisely because it is defeated on the battlefield right that's right that's why china is the main idea here there a document to start a policy of diplomatic maneuvers to prevent russia from losing, because when russia loses, the consequences will be for china as well. russia can be reformatted into a democratic country that will actually be , let's say, to contain china. that is, it will become a partner in measures to contain china and then china will not be able to achieve the strategic goals of the world economy until 2049. how does it set strategic goals and how does china move towards this goal and what if it needs to achieve this

strategic goal in china then we will understand politics and how to deal with china china china needs peace internally, i.e. a balance of socio-political peace internally and on the external contour in order to restore these logistical production chains in this document it is said that there should be no nuclear war, this is all arranged by china in order to he could build up his potential and became the number one country. and when he becomes the number one country politically, there is no need for any wars due to his influence and soft power, he solves all issues. and vanya there, the internal plan appeared now here volodymyr zelensky commented on it and i will quote it verbatim. it seems to me that this was a non-peaceful plan of china, not a resolution and not a declaration, it is not an infrastructure for something. it seems to me that china has shown its thoughts and this is, in fact , the first time that china has expressed itself to the maximum extent about how it sees

this war, before that, there was only a statement that they do not allow the use of nuclear weapons , that this is unacceptable. and then this document appears and uh, it uh, after that, lukashenka's visit to belarus takes place oh, to lukashenka to china, before that there was a visit of the president to iran, also to china, that is, some kind of raffle begins. and this begins politics, diplomatic maneuvers. china joined the game, let's say so, when he saw that so i tried to formulate to hear my place at the negotiating table for nothing in order to share at the table, he positions himself that he is , in general, a separate center of power that opposes another center of power in the united states of america, he considers all these moves tactical

only in the corridor of opposition to the fight against hegemony of the united states of america, its goal is to discredit the united states of america and to raise its authority before the countries of the global south , and this peace document also has a second purpose behind the scenes. to them they reject him and he says they rejected our peace proposals, they supply weapons to a country where there is a conflict where there is a war and we offer peace, they are losing authority the united states of america is a democratic camp because they actually add oil to the fire of the conflict, as china says, and they advocate peace. certain forces in the west can really accept this thesis and it will fall on fertile ground, so to speak, if china really says, well, we they wanted to, but you see, instead of this, the west is pumping weapons into ukraine and in this way contributes

to the continuation of the conflict, and in fact there are certain circles in the west for whom this will be food because well, we remember this confrontation between the trumpists and, let's say, the other part more inclined to common sense in the united states and actually, in my opinion, why did putin dare to start this war simply because he believed that the united states is so divided now in such and such a situation when many people perceived you know, like some kind of grandfather who has already lost touch with reality, who will no longer be able to unite the west, and in general , america itself is already being torn apart by contradictions within itself, so remember at least this takeover of the congress, do you remember this after the elections after biden's victory and europe is divided and it cannot and will not be able to agree among itself on some decisive er decisive

response to russia because it is completely dependent on russian energy carriers and is generally focused on its own benefits and so on and so on and it can be listed this background actually created such for putin an illusion as we understand it now, because even then we would certainly not have dared to say that it is an illusion for 100% , eh but nevertheless, this background seemed to him to be quite favorable for starting this aggression, and accordingly, what you say is absolutely true to me it also seems that it is will find its supporters, but on the other hand, we understand that there will not be a critical number of them, because the same america that seemed to us divided after the capture of the congress, now we see how united and steadfast it is in supporting ukraine, despite the fact that there is still opposition to this support. what then what does china count on then what does it strive for it seeks to build its alternative system of international relations where it will dominate

although the main slogan is peace harmony prosperity and inter-civilizational universalism i.e. security for all is equal and peaceful relations for all, but look, if you remove the blocs in the system that currently exists, what china is calling for and everything, then china becomes stronger than any country in terms of potential , germany is stronger than france, that there is no european union, there are no blocs, there is no nato so europe can't do anything with china's potential. in fact, it is not a competitor of china. china will dominate, although it will offer the rules of the game. today, it uses the existing system and existing tools, existing international organizations in order to strengthen itself economically, the potential uses globalization and these production and logistics chains in order for it to increase its economic potential and then convert it into

political and political international influence, and then the task is to move away from this system and already dictate its own rules which they believe that they are more universal, more acceptable. and what is the difference? they say that the west formed its system on the basis of common interests, and interests flow quickly and change quickly. this leads to conflicts, we propose to form a system based on values ​​that take longer to form, but to look for common points up to these values, and then we get universal cooperation between universal civilizations and no civilization should dominate, that is such a concept in china, although according to its potential , china will a priori dominate it it does not say that it will be the largest in terms of population , economic power, political influence and so on. in fact, china perceives this war on the territory of ukraine as its own proxy war

against the west, why i will return to your question, why putin decided to attack ukraine right now, because he saw that a war with ukraine would have dealt the final blow to the western camp of euro-atlanticists after afghanistan, when they, when the west lost face, the second defeat in ukraine, the west loses its hegemony and in fact these institutions of the unipolar world are collapsing, what did putin call for? putin then comes out, china speaks, and now let's build the rules, what am i talking about god, what i propose, yes , based on values, but it seems to me that, perhaps, our viewers they will agree with me. maybe you don't, but china has now become the golden stock in this war, and which it is actually trying to sell now. everyone understands that if china will provide direct military support to russia , it will be very, very difficult for us on the front lines and uh let's be frank to withstand the onslaught of russian infantry, which will be equipped with chinese military equipment, and it will be very

difficult, and on the other hand, russia understands that if china is inclined to condemn russia for this war, support sanctions and thus take the side of e-e civilizations, then then for russia it will mean the end because there will be no cooperation even in the matter of purchasing oil and gas, there will be no money at all, and china, realizing its dominant position in the fact that everyone wants to attract it to its side, and china is trying now to sell it as expensive as possible, they leave this initiative, and that is why it seems to me that lukashenko has already run to china and is already praising the idea of ​​a peaceful concept , everyone says that lukashenko is very cool in his own way. yes, this is a very wonderful plan it’s just that there is a gyne. it’s brilliant. it’s just that if you could write something better

, i don’t know who could do it. it was written by a first-year student at the diplomatic academy, because you and i could all sit down and write the same thing. against all the bad things. how it should be done is not clear. and now try it. do not agree with the plan . well, we really can, because we are not for peace, we are also for myrhorod, this golden action in this war . china is creating a lever of pressure on the united states of america. it was the first that he did- cared and discredits the united states of america, the west is weakened by the war , because the potential of the west is weakened, china is not yet at war, it does not actually support russia, and it is building up its potential, that is, the potentials are equalized further. the chinese say if they listen to my peace initiatives, well then to even out the balance and demonstrate that this conflict is going nowhere

and that it can last two years three five i connect with my potential and don't ask why i started to help it if you rejected hmm, about the position, you already supplied weapons, i joined in order to equalize the potential and demonstrate that it will not be as you want, that is, he will pressurize us to sit at the negotiating table, and the peace plan, if it is evaluated as a whole, is very it boils down to a simple peace in exchange for territories, no more, no less, if you put aside all diplomacy, peace in exchange for territories, that's exactly what putin and lukashenko liked in this regard , what immediately what does it mean to stop immediately war and sit down at the negotiating table, the third and fourth points, we stop the war, the occupied territory, we start negotiations, and for 200 years, as uh , we discussed within the framework of minsk, we do not come to anything, because we have different potentials with russia, and everyone

is already trying to support us for the second war no one will come to support ukraine , that is, we will be forced, as in north and south korea, to divide part of the territory and give it to the aggressor in the same way. congratulations, we are interrupting the night broadcast with an emergency message. russia fired at zaporizhzhia about this was reported by the secretary of the zaporizhzhia city council as a result of the missile attack, the residential building was destroyed, three floors were destroyed , photos and videos of the building have already appeared on telegram channels, and from them you can see the extent of the destruction according to preliminary information. it was a shelling with a s-300 missile. according to one of the colleagues who is currently in zaporizhzhia, this is a house in the middle of the city, and according to preliminary information, there are injured and dead, but the number is being clarified , medics and rescuers are working on the spot, we note that

reports of air alarms in many regions of ukraine began to arrive after midnight , there were already two of them, with a short break for repulse, in addition to zaporizhzhia, there were also sumyshchyna, poltavashchyna, donetsk region , dnipropetrovsk region. the dead are taken out of the house, we will tell you more in the next issues, by encouraging further war, do you think that china will dare to supply russia with weapons, military equipment and so on, because of course concerns are already being expressed in washington that, well, at least until the spring campaign, certain military equipment, body armor, and so on can be supplied, but before

that, china refrained from this, which may have changed in such a way that china can dare and still supply both weapons and military technique, because we remember somewhere , we have such hope that the united states can still initiate such trade sanctions, such economic sanctions against china, which will simply suffocate, uh, without having sea trade, without having certain mechanisms that can block the united states and they are afraid of it. do you think that they are so interested in russia not losing completely that they can dare to do this ? let's consider how they can develop , well, imagine how they can develop trends ocy ocy events now china has started political and diplomatic maneuvers in order to equalize the potential and still not to let russia lose, if it fails

to do so through political and diplomatic means , then it will act according to the scenario described in the art of war is very simple. the first point is to break the plans of your enemies . the first point of the plan . the second point of the plan will break the alliances they have created against you . in the first point, he breaks the ideas of those with whom he competes, he breaks the ideas of the united states and its democratic coalition, which supports ukraine in order to change the situation on the battlefield, we will fight for the european union, why well, because from china's point of view, the european union is a weaker link in euro-atlantic relations. china, ah, for china , relations with europe are very important, trade relations with the united states of america are very important, but the united states of america is united - it is one fist,

and here individual countries are a united union which does not have its own security policy , that is, it is covered by the umbrella of nato, in fact, china has already invested a lot in trade, it is a producer, and its sales is actually the european market, and it invested there, bought ports , directed investments there to the right, and it is there earns but even more he earns in the united states of america 700 e65 billion bilateral trade 360 ​​billion plus that is china earns plus these funds but they are so connected with the united states as connecting with soda about 365 billion which states actually pay more to china for these money as china buys the securities of the united states, that is, it is returned by the united states so that there is no imbalance in trade and there are no claims on the part of the united states to china, they are interconnected very strongly and therefore

it cannot be said that the united states will get the cup will be waved and that will be it. china will simply throw the securities it holds onto the market, and it ranks second after japan in terms of buying united states securities, and everything and the financial crisis in the united states market, the crisis with the dollar, which actually provides the currency for everything of the world and we will definitely return to china now, but we already have volodymyr fesenko, a political scientist, on the phone. to discuss the fact that on the anniversary of the war, such a competition of peace initiatives began, and immediately after the un general assembly voted on a resolution on peace in ukraine based on the formula of president zelensky , china immediately came out with its peace initiatives . please give your assessment of this

confrontation peaceful formats, what is it going to, what did china want when it came out with its concept, how will mir zelenskyi's formula develop on the basis of the fact that china put forward its own vision well, first of all, there is no the confrontation of peace plans, the more so there is no confrontation between zelenskyi's formula and chinese initiatives , moreover, it is fundamentally important that china announced its position. there is no peace plan. there is no peace plan. there is a position of china in relation to the war between russia and ukraine, although it was previously announced. yes, what it is possible that the initiative of some is the peace plan, but it happened let’s say a less high-profile event than expected, it is not a peace plan, and it was not announced, for example , by the president of china, the leader of china, all of them are by zemping

, only the ministry of foreign affairs stated the position of china enough abstractly, the position is quite blurred, which can be interpreted in different directions, and this was done, which is also important, not before the voting of the resolution in the general assembly, and after that , many in the west feared that if china announced its position and formulated a separate draft resolution in the assembly, then it there would be a confrontation. and yes, there is no confrontation . moreover, i drew your attention to president zelensky, er, formulated a sufficiently flexible position, no illusions, no illusions in relation to chinese peace initiatives in there is no kyiv, but at the same time i think that for us and for the west it is important that china does not engage in direct cooperation with russia so that there is no strategic alliance between russia and china that